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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 07:16:58 am

Title: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 07:16:58 am
Greetings my beloved mates.

First of all I don't know, it is a right place to post it or not. But move it to the right if it is in the wrong.

So, My dear mates I want you guys to stand up for the justice.

I saw a person got banned for calling someone a "Noob". What if i say, the heads of this server having even worst behavior towards the players. Look at this

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Do you understand how much of a dick you are? - Mr.EvilTeddy

Seriously? Is this a language you guys are talking with us? We aren't your employees neither you guys are our bosses. Go learn first then come here to teach others.

Second thing is. I saw several veteran peoples getting banned for Ignoring RP and Poor Rp or bla bla

No one ever take birth learnt from their mother's stomach, They needs some time to learn. If they're veterans but still failing to role play as you say it. So give them some more time to learn or they are doing right and the problem is inside you? You guys banned Lawerence, He is the one who was doing quality of role play, well its my opinion. But you guys banned him. Lmao are you guys serious you are throwing quality player away from your server and then what I see is 0/200. You guys always asked me why didn't I do role play in the server.The answer is I was simply avoiding to get punishment, Your admins never teach us what is right to do if we did wrong, they just all are ready to punish us. Lets say they're having fun punishing us. So the problem is If we do role play we get ban for failing to role play and if we are not doing then Ignoring role play - BANNED. This is the role play server or what?

You guys are saying peoples to not gamble because they're good in gambling and they're f**cking up your server by making peoples leave your server. What is the reason of making such kind of script then? Recently you guys made my cousin broke because of money cheating. Oh f**cking come on, Everyone knows No one gave him cheated moneys since you guys didn't showed up any valid evidence to him or peoples not even you guys showed up the name of the person who gave him cheated money. You guys made a good trap to make him broke because he fucked up whole server by his gambling skills and by his luck. Peoples believe or they doesn't but he is legend of gambling in my eyes, and I don't know why he is still playing in this server.

Grandpa, Richard and Charlie got banned for Ignoring role play. WTF? If they don't know how to role play then who actually f**cking knows it? They're best in role play in my eyes.

Situation of Argonath RPG nowadays. Poor Argo.
(http://i.imgur.com/4pbzhkK.png)

Lets say peoples know everything what is happening here in this server but they aren't speaking up, actually they're in fear of getting banned this is why they don't stand for justice. Lets hope you guys stand with me and fight for justice.

I hope they don't remove this topic because I've written some bitter truth here. If you guys have guts then face it and don't remove it for the fuck sake.

#Fightforjustice.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: .Matthew. on March 18, 2016, 08:04:46 am
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/X-All-The-Y.jpg)

On a serious note, I do agree about the part where Management speaks to players or punishes them using some rough words, which mostly causes those players, especially if they're "new" to keep on coming back to this server and target it using various hacks or even attack it and bring it down. Could simply talk to them short and to the point without using such words. 

About roleplay, those who always wish to win and don't allow themselves to lose in a roleplay situation, and refuse or fail to roleplay properly with another player, mostly out of personal agenda, they deserve to be banned for it. New players can be taught to roleplay and see how old players roleplay, they shouldn't be banned on first sight and that's how it probably is.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 08:15:38 am
I thought you didn't care about argo anymore.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: TiMoN on March 18, 2016, 08:34:53 am
TL;DR Don't force ppl to rp, use kinder words and allow money cheaters to prosper.

ok
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Meow Meow on March 18, 2016, 08:45:15 am
On a serious note, I do agree about the part where Management speaks to players or punishes them using some rough words, which mostly causes those players, especially if they're "new" to keep on coming back to this server and target it using various hacks or even attack it and bring it down. Could simply talk to them short and to the point without using such words
Well.. I dont agree, think you have created or invented something for fun I mean to have fun with people all over the world, people who you dont know and quit possibly will never ever know in real life, you use that thing to spend time together and someone comes and ruins it, wont you mind it and get super angry? yes you will, dozens of human beings' time and effort has made this community what it's now and if you put yourself in shoes of Devin, Teddy, Rusty and see someone is distroying the thing you sacrificed alot of time and effort for it you will do even worse and say worse stuff, Seriously if I was in same position as Devin or teddy is my action for such people would have been Game, community and forum banned without wasting my time saying something, I mean I wouldn't have even bothered saying something, so I dont see anything wrong if a staff member has a valid reason to show his anger, you shouldn't expect to do a Bannable offense and in reply Managers tell you "Dear sir! I beg to tell you that you broke our rules we felt so honored when you were playing in our server etc etc"
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Andeey on March 18, 2016, 08:46:01 am
if you want to complain about how someones unban request was handled report it to [email protected]
dont make a topic simply moaning about it.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 08:46:52 am
I agree with you to the extent that staff has to use somewhat civilised language towards the players.

The rest.. well let's just say the morning paper had more interesting parts.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 08:54:23 am
And here we thought you went off to that place after your banishment. Oh well, I'm feeling generous.

I saw a person got banned for calling someone a "Noob". What if i say, the heads of this server having even worst behavior towards the players. Look at this
Person is in this case a veteran, someone who has been with the server for long and therefore we assume he has knowledge of the common rules and policies. Adding to that the guy was a mayor which is a position you take with knowledge that you will be a representative of the city.
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Seriously? Is this a language you guys are talking with us? We aren't your employees neither you guys are our bosses. Go learn first then come here to teach others.
Society is give-and-take, like you are talking to a mirror. If you do not respect the person you are talking to, do not expect him to respect you.
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Second thing is. I saw several veteran peoples getting banned for Ignoring RP and Poor Rp or bla bla

No one ever take birth learnt from their mother's stomach, They needs some time to learn. If they're veterans but still failing to role play as you say it. So give them some more time to learn or they are doing right and the problem is inside you? You guys banned Lawerence, He is the one who was doing quality of role play, well its my opinion. But you guys banned him. Lmao are you guys serious you are throwing quality player away from your server and then what I see is 0/200. You guys always asked me why didn't I do role play in the server.The answer is I was simply avoiding to get punishment, Your admins never teach us what is right to do if we did wrong, they just all are ready to punish us. Lets say they're having fun punishing us. So the problem is If we do role play we get ban for failing to role play and if we are not doing then Ignoring role play - BANNED. This is the role play server or what?
They had enough time to learn themselves, if that's what you're asking. Secondly, staff members do tell you what you have done wrong and often how to avoid it the next time. If you were not roleplaying to avoid a punishment, then why were you on a roleplaying server in the first place?
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You guys are saying peoples to not gamble because they're good in gambling and they're f**cking up your server by making peoples leave your server. What is the reason of making such kind of script then? Recently you guys made my cousin broke because of money cheating. Oh f**cking come on, Everyone knows No one gave him cheated moneys since you guys didn't showed up any valid evidence to him or peoples not even you guys showed up the name of the person who gave him cheated money. You guys made a good trap to make him broke because he fucked up whole server by his gambling skills and by his luck. Peoples believe or they doesn't but he is legend of gambling in my eyes, and I don't know why he is still playing in this server.
We only hand out punishments when we have the evidence to back it up. We immediately investigate any case where this isn't the case. As for most people that were gambling; Like you, it was the only thing they were doing upon this server, and it sometimes came with scams, cheats and otherwise aggressive behavior upon losing. None would be banished for doing something if it does not violate any of the core rules that we have.

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Grandpa, Richard and Charlie got banned for Ignoring role play. WTF? If they don't know how to role play then who actually f**cking knows it? They're best in role play in my eyes.
They were banned because of poor roleplay, this could have multiple reasons including both parties not knowing why they were there, and/or just exchanging insults then shooting each other. We are sharpening this aspect to avoid the endless spiral of death that Argonath is consumed in. You can read their unban requests if you want to know why he was banned.
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Lets say peoples know everything what is happening here in this server but they aren't speaking up, actually they're in fear of getting banned this is why they don't stand for justice.
Then those people may speak up if they are afraid to go against us. We are open to all comments and opinions, but we do not condone insults aimed towards us.

Overall, from reading your post you do not look further than your nose, or just see what you want to. We rarely leave stones unturned, and we always have explanations for actions. Be they objective or subjective.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 09:18:57 am
You guys took at as joke but sorry Im not joking here.

I thought you didn't care about argo anymore.

Oh my god, You once again. You should have gained this post fairly.
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They had enough time to learn themselves, if that's what you're asking. Secondly, staff members do tell you what you have done wrong and often how to avoid it the next time. If you were not roleplaying to avoid a punishment, then why were you on a roleplaying server in the first place?

No they don't instead they moan and punish us in the end even when it wasn't our mistake. I tried my best roleplaying on the server but I ended up getting punishment and they didnt even taught me, how right I can do it if i did wrong.

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We only hand out punishments when we have the evidence to back it up. We immediately investigate any case where this isn't the case. As for most people that were gambling; Like you, it was the only thing they were doing upon this server, and it sometimes came with scams, cheats and otherwise aggressive behavior upon losing. None would be banished for doing something if it does not violate any of the core rules that we have.

Who is talking about me here? You guys ban peoples when you guys have any evidence? Show us the program which showed 5.2m, tell us the name of the person who gave my cousin exploit money.

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They were banned because of poor roleplay, this could have multiple reasons including both parties not knowing why they were there, and/or just exchanging insults then shooting each other. We are sharpening this aspect to avoid the endless spiral of death that Argonath is consumed in. You can read their unban requests if you want to know why he was banned.


I read everything and I see nothing wrong they did there, lets say peoples admit even when they didn't do any wrong because you guys simply deny them if they don't admit.

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TL;DR Don't force ppl to rp, use kinder words and allow money cheaters to prosper.

ok

This wasn't needed but yes Congratulations you gained a post!
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 09:36:51 am
Listen finch, hayden or idk how can i call you. The change that we are making on the roleplay rule is really showing the result. People did poor roleplay or ignored a roleplay when someone else aproached have been and will be punished. When/if they do a unban request and use word like "Fuck off" or whatever language that might be offensive to someone, shouldn't expect flowers as a reply. If people would wait around 2 3 hours after being banned and calm down they would be more polite on their unban request instead of little rage monsters.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 09:39:52 am
No they don't instead they moan and punish us in the end even when it wasn't our mistake. I tried my best roleplaying on the server but I ended up getting punishment and they didnt even taught me, how right I can do it if i did wrong.
Report those who do treat you unfairly in your eyes.
As for the second part. Step up and ask what happened then. If they still didn't explain it to you, come to HQ and we'll get it out of them.
If you were punished while "roleplaying" then you did something that violated one of our rules, we also expect you to be able to deduce yourself.
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Who is talking about me here? You guys ban peoples when you guys have any evidence? Show us the program which showed 5.2m, tell us the name of the person who gave my cousin exploit money.
Do not ask me for I know little about that case. Whoever does has the choice to tell you. Neither is this the place to discuss an unban request of a stranger, it's about your thoughts of there not being justice. Safe to say the word has no value here as each have their own point of view on what's just.
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I read everything and I see nothing wrong they did there.
You don't, Others can. If I look over it quickly I've seen that they interacted too little for it to be considered valid roleplay, as the person explained it was just a manhunt with little interaction.
lets say peoples admit even when they didn't do any wrong because you guys simply deny them if they don't admit.
Again, they wouldn't be banned if they didn't do any wrong. And of course we would deny those who don't know why they were banned. If they don't know what they did wrong, it would be foolish to let them back.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Mikal on March 18, 2016, 09:44:27 am
gambling skills
Sounds like the people who call themselves "professional gamblers" - No such thing. :hah:
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 10:09:25 am
Report those who do treat you unfairly in your eyes.
As for the second part. Step up and ask what happened then. If they still didn't explain it to you, come to HQ and we'll get it out of them.
If you were punished while "roleplaying" then you did something that violated one of our rules, we also expect you to be able to deduce yourself.Do not ask me for I know little about that case. Whoever does has the choice to tell you. Neither is this the place to discuss an unban request of a stranger, it's about your thoughts of there not being justice. Safe to say the word has no value here as each have their own point of view on what's just.You don't, Others can. If I look over it quickly I've seen that they interacted too little for it to be considered valid roleplay, as the person explained it was just a manhunt with little interaction.Again, they wouldn't be banned if they didn't do any wrong. And of course we would deny those who don't know why they were banned. If they don't know what they did wrong, it would be foolish to let them back.

Why do I report? Do you guys take any action against your admins? No you guys don't. I never saw you guys have taken any actions against your admins in past.

You know little about that case but the person who banned him didn't showed any evidence anywhere. Even not in his unban request as you say it.

Sounds like the people who call themselves "professional gamblers" - No such thing. :hah:

Ok lets just cut professional gambler or such shit talks, but why do you guys forbade peoples to not gamble even when it is a part of server script.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Trevor. on March 18, 2016, 10:19:11 am
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/X-All-The-Y.jpg)

On a serious note, I do agree about the part where Management speaks to players or punishes them using some rough words, which mostly causes those players, especially if they're "new" to keep on coming back to this server and target it using various hacks or even attack it and bring it down. Could simply talk to them short and to the point without using such words. 



I agree with that.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 10:21:49 am
Why do I report? Do you guys take any action against your admins? No you guys don't. I never saw you guys have taken any actions against your admins in past.
Because we do this within our borders. It doesn't need to be public whenever a staff member gets warned, given people can abuse that information we wouldn't. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that there is nothing being done against staff members misbehaving.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 10:29:40 am
Because we do this within our borders. It doesn't need to be public whenever a staff member gets warned, given people can abuse that information we wouldn't. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that there is nothing being done against staff members misbehaving.

AWESOME! This means we don't even have to get notified about what happened of our reports. It's not bad if we think we waste our time reporting any staff member when we don't have rights even to get notified. Oh my god thank you for telling us this is how you guys work.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 18, 2016, 10:30:28 am
Firstly,
I'd just like to start by saying you are fantastic.
I did admittedly spend only like 60 seconds glancing at the main post but yes...
In regards to the general concern spotted. It could be considered that the burden of proof falls onto the one who is instilling the punishments. People may expect the management to behave in predictable professional way indeed.

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Second thing is. I saw several veteran peoples getting banned for Ignoring RP and Poor Rp or bla bla
No one ever take birth learnt from their mother's stomach, They needs some time to learn.
Don't worry. Grandpa unbanned =D, Charlie  unbanned =D. Richard unban process ongoing / unbanned!
All is good. It is unfortunate that none of the people immediately involved in the situation wanted each other banned and people got banned anyway but hey ho.

Lets say peoples know everything what is happening here in this server but they aren't speaking up, actually they're in fear of getting banned this is why they don't stand for justice. Lets hope you guys stand with me and fight for justice.

#Fightforjustice.
Well yes, people are unhappy about things. But then there are others who are like "yoloswagbad girles" so... no need because.. people will leave or go "inactive" if angry and upset and in fear.
#FightForJustice
On a serious note, I do agree about the part where Management speaks to players or punishes them using some rough words, which mostly causes those players, especially if they're "new" to keep on coming back to this server and target it using various hacks or even attack it and bring it down. Could simply talk to them short and to the point without using such words. 
I agree with you to the extent that staff has to use somewhat civilised language towards the players.

The rest.. well let's just say the morning paper had more interesting parts.

if you want to complain about how someones unban request was handled report it to [email protected]
dont make a topic simply moaning about it.
The person has displayed frustration at the usage of language which they don't feel appropriate and they have made a case upon the community to point out that such language is not f**cking ok.  :D
I thought you didn't care about argo anymore.
Consider the fact he spent all but 5 minutes writing the thread.  :lol: Clearly he cares some what.


Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 10:34:59 am
Why do I report? Do you guys take any action against your admins? No you guys don't. I never saw you guys have taken any actions against your admins in past.

You know little about that case but the person who banned him didn't showed any evidence anywhere. Even not in his unban request as you say it.
They do take actions against admins. They dont show it on public but they do, trust me.
And regarding thr evidences on a unba request. We also keep those conversations private to protect someones privacy.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 10:44:52 am
They do take actions against admins. They dont show it on public but they do, trust me.
And regarding thr evidences on a unba request. We also keep those conversations private to protect someones privacy.

Who's privacy my bro? When a person himself telling them to show him the evidence on his unban request. My cousin asked for just freakin a single "name" of the person who gave him exploit money and the program which showed 5.2m. Who's privacy is disturbing by doing this?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 10:53:45 am
The privacy of that name HQ didnt told to your cousin.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:02:14 am
The privacy of that name HQ didnt told to your cousin.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  :lol: :lol:
My sweet brother, this is not we call privacy. They didn't showed up the name because there was not any person who gave cheated money to my cousin. In our eyes it is a way to make someone broke and in yours it is word "privacy"

What kinda privacy just showing a name? Whats logic behind this. Lmao!
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 18, 2016, 11:05:48 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  :lol: :lol:
My sweet brother, this is not we call privacy. They didn't showed up the name because there was not any person who gave cheated money to my cousin. In our eyes it is a way to make someone broke and in yours it is word "privacy"

What kinda privacy just showing a name? Whats logic behind this. Lmao!

I think the concern is not the name but your wish to know who is giving evidence against you and why.
In the pursuit of justice it is well known doctrine that unless the person giving evidence is a victim of crime such as serious sexual assault / abuse then the bare minimum they have to do is hide behind a screen, another person voices for them. But if thats' not the case for the person you are looking to evaluate then the concern about privacy could be made weak. For all we know the evidence could be a picture drawn in paint, but I doubt that's the case.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:07:07 am
Additional notes:
I got denied in my previous unban request, I'm just here to say FUCK OFF. You guys don't know how much of dick you guys are. I never had any heart to come back here but some friends forced me, this is why I posted to connect with them. Well, you guys give me a single reason to play in this f**cking corrupted server when I'm already enjoying in Ls-Rp. Let me discribe this server in few sentences. This is the server which is in wrong hands right now, It was best in its time when it was in good hands like Murt, Dellstorm, Zaila, Cutt3r, Ted. Perhaps this is the reason you guys are having low players right now. @Devin go lick some other groups asses so that they give you some players. You do understand for what I'm talking about. I'm done from this shit! Good bye and go ahead and deny it. bad girl

You don't want to be here, it is clear.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:08:09 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  :lol: :lol:
My sweet brother, this is not we call privacy. They didn't showed up the name because there was not any person who gave cheated money to my cousin. In our eyes it is a way to make someone broke and in yours it is word "privacy"

What kinda privacy just showing a name? Whats logic behind this. Lmao!

We do not falsify evidence so don't even try pull that card. The ID in the evidence provided linked to a player account and that's all you need to know.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: .Mario. on March 18, 2016, 11:09:10 am
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Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:10:47 am
We do not falsify evidence so don't even try pull that card. The ID in the evidence provided linked to a player account and that's all you need to know.

Yes yes player ID who?

What kinda program? How it showed 5.2m?

You don't want to be here, it is clear.

I don't want to be because I'm seeing what is happening here.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:12:15 am
Don't worry. Grandpa unbanned =D, Charlie  unbanned =D. Richard unban process ongoing / unbanned!
All is good. It is unfortunate that none of the people immediately involved in the situation wanted each other banned and people got banned anyway but hey ho.

Please don't even post when you know nothing of the situation you were involved in. Grandpa and Charlie broke no rules therefore they were unbanned.
You ignored their roleplay in a sense by running whilst outgunned and outnumbered, you also reported them to get them banned so don't say "wanted eachother banned" when you are the one that sent in the report.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:14:10 am
Yes yes player ID who?

What kinda program? How it showed 5.2m?

I don't want to be because I'm seeing what is happening here.

The ID links to a database ID. How it was found does not even concern you.
You don't want to be here which is great, I don't want you here either when you intentionally scam a relatively new player in a casino because you can't keep your behavioural problems under control like a prepubescent teenager. Your actions scamming the guy in a casino also led to him leaving the community. Thanks for contributing to the bullshit that needs to be removed from Argonath before we can improve.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:14:24 am
Please don't even post when you know nothing of the situation you were involved in. Grandpa and Charlie broke no rules therefore they were unbanned.
You ignored their roleplay in a sense by running whilst outgunned and outnumbered, you also reported them to get them banned so don't say "wanted eachother banned" when you are the one that sent in the report.

Why you guys even banned them then. What are guys exactly doing? Banning innocent peoples for no reason without even asking a single question before banning them.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 11:16:37 am
If you would've read what Devin said. We immediately looked why they were banned and found nothing. The staff member responsible for that has been spoken to as well.

Are you going to continue showing your descent into madness by trying to sketch a bad name on us and yourself?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:19:46 am
The ID links to a database ID. How it was found does not even concern you.
You don't want to be here which is great, I don't want you here either when you intentionally scam a relatively new player in a casino because you can't keep your behavioural problems under control like a prepubescent teenager. Your actions scamming the guy in a casino also led to him leaving the community. Thanks for contributing to the bullshit that needs to be removed from Argonath before we can improve.

Lucky person who left you trust me.

Player ID links to a data base Id bla bla. Only you can understand this. How about telling us the name of the program? Or its made by Teddy and were given no name?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:22:08 am
If you would've read what Devin said. We immediately looked why they were banned and found nothing. The staff member responsible for that has been spoken to as well.

Are you going to continue showing your descent into madness by trying to sketch a bad name on us and yourself?

I'm trying to be as much decent as i can here. By the way what did you spoke with the staff member? Like how you guys treated him when he banned an innocent guy for doing nothing.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:22:58 am
Why you guys even banned them then. What are guys exactly doing? Banning innocent peoples for no reason without even asking a single question before banning them.

Why don't you ask Marcel why he banned them if you are so interested? Or take a look at their unban request if it interests you so dearly.



Lucky person who left you trust me.

Player ID links to a data base Id bla bla. Only you can understand this. How about telling us the name of the program? Or its made by Teddy and were given no name?

Why does a method of querying a database have to be given a name or made into some "program"? It's not like he made something and published it online. Please just stop these ignorant posts without thinking.

I have said multiple times now that it links to an account on the server, who it is does not concern you as it was obviously a Scotto member. If Aiden has an issue with the punishment then he can bring it up but he is fine with it now.

So with that said, you can stop running around making a noise waving your hands around in the air regarding a matter that does not even involve you.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 11:37:11 am



Why does a method of querying a database have to be given a name or made into some "program"? It's not like he made something and published it online. Please just stop these ignorant posts without thinking.

I have said multiple times now that it links to an account on the server, who it is does not concern you as it was obviously a Scotto member. If Aiden has an issue with the punishment then he can bring it up but he is fine with it now.

So with that said, you can stop running around making a noise waving your hands around in the air regarding a matter that does not even involve you.

Ok I understand, but Teddy himself said a program is running. But if its a method of querying a database? Why didn't you posted an ss of it when Aiden asks it for? Or it is also your so called privacy?

Is it shows that the Aiden was aware of those cheated money? [Answer must]

Aiden is ok with it because he have fear to get banned. But I feel much bad for my cousins like how you guys made him broke.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:40:11 am
Obviously what Teddy made queries a database otherwise how would it pull information? See this is what I am talking about. And no obviously we won't post screenshots of what was gathered as it not only breaches community privacy policy, which people have already been fired for doing in the past. It also gives out information that players shouldn't see.

Why would we remove the money and ban a person if we didn't know they had cheated the money? The path of the money removed was tracked back to how it was added to the server which is why it was removed.

You also made him broke by losing his money in the casino.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 11:42:41 am
Or it is also your so called privacy?

And no obviously we won't post screenshots of what was gathered as it not only breaches community privacy policy, which people have already been fired for doing in the past.

https://panel.argonathrpg.nl/player/[Rstar]DellStorm

(http://i.imgur.com/8rBzDX9.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 12:07:33 pm
Obviously what Teddy made queries a database otherwise how would it pull information? See this is what I am talking about. And no obviously we won't post screenshots of what was gathered as it not only breaches community privacy policy, which people have already been fired for doing in the past. It also gives out information that players shouldn't see.

Why would we remove the money and ban a person if we didn't know they had cheated the money? The path of the money removed was tracked back to how it was added to the server which is why it was removed.

You also made him broke by losing his money in the casino.

Good thanks for explaining, what this privacy terms means here. I understand now.

So what you want to say is Aiden was aware that person cheated money and gave him cheated money and Aiden accepted it with his awareness? Yes Or No!

Those money's can be counted as exploit because he gave me before getting banned, so No matter if I would have gave him those money's back. You guys would again have a reason to ban him. Poor Aiden, I did at leat a bit good for him by losing those money's.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Rei on March 18, 2016, 12:15:04 pm
Now i see the point of this thread. ^
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: AK47 on March 18, 2016, 12:18:31 pm
Oh so you're gonna defend the guy who threatened players with adminpunishment if they didn't vote for his party?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Dizzy. on March 18, 2016, 12:20:06 pm
Ok lets just cut professional gambler or such shit talks, but why do you guys forbade peoples to not gamble even when it is a part of server script.

They forbid players like you, because all they do is sitting in a casino pming players "gamble", and a flood of the gambling commands in the logs, and scamming players afterward.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 12:29:46 pm
Now i see the point of this thread. ^

The point is other, try reading this thread from starting!
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 12:30:58 pm
Why you guys even banned them then. What are guys exactly doing? Banning innocent peoples for no reason without even asking a single question before banning them.
They were banned based on evidence that was presented to me. Charlie and Grandpa turned out to be innocent and were unbanned the same day. Yes, I made a mistake, happy now?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Whiteman on March 18, 2016, 12:37:14 pm
Is this a language you guys are talking with us? We aren't your employees neither you guys are our bosses.
#Fightforjustice.
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[2016/03/09 11:41:17 PM] Devin: Why would I have a personal grudge?
You chose to act like an infant, I didn't make you do that.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/256e6ph.jpg)

I do understand what you are saying, and that kinda was what I was fighting for myself, the language usage is horrible and should be toned down a notch though (especially as we have like 10-year-olds playing here), or allow others calling eachother noobs as it's far more decent than calling someone a whore.  :D (Didn't expect to have people supporting me, great to see btw :lol:) But, there's no fighting with the HQ, [email protected] is handled by Devin, so no point posting there. As Teddy stated that HQ doesn't need a reason to ban someone. Just face it boys, we are their bit-ches - just follow the rules and don't piss them off.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Khm on March 18, 2016, 12:39:27 pm
What do you expect from a generation like this to be nice to others? It's the Internet, either know how to fight your way out on your own or shut up. I have got to agree that some staff members use harsh words but they are well placed, they don't use them on anyone who doesn't deserve to get treated the opposite way he treats the others, that time has already come to an end in some other past cases that you are not even aware of.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Rei on March 18, 2016, 12:40:08 pm
The point is other, try reading this thread from starting!

1/3 of the thread is about Language and banned players.
2/3 of the thread is about Aiden.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 12:44:51 pm
The one crucial thing some people forget here is:

HQ and Developers spend countless hours trying to provide enjoyment to all players in terms of RP / Scripting updates / Government services and a lot more. They provide management, administration and general direction to ensure everything keeps running smoothly.

On the other side of that amount of work, we see that half of the player base does not appreciate the things that are being done for them. They troll, rulebreak and try to shit on the stuff that is made for them, free of charge.

Do you really expect staff to sit around and be happy when you clearly show a lack of appreciation and huge disregard to our rules? Think about that before you throw around more unfounded accusations.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 12:46:51 pm
They were banned based on evidence that was presented to me. Charlie and Grandpa turned out to be innocent and were unbanned the same day. Yes, I made a mistake, happy now?

No I'm not. Say sorry to the persons here right now. Because when they do mistake or break any rule , they do say sorry and you also have to.

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[2016/03/09 11:41:17 PM] Devin: Why would I have a personal grudge?
You chose to act like an infant, I didn't make you do that.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/256e6ph.jpg)

I do understand what you are saying, and that kinda was what I was fighting for myself, the language usage is horrible and should be toned down a notch though. (Didn't expect to have people supporting me, great to see btw :lol:) But, there's no fighting with the HQ, [email protected] is handled by Devin, so no point posting there. As Teddy stated that HQ doesn't need a reason to ban someone. Just face it boys, we are their bit-ches - just follow the rules and don't piss them off.

I am observing things since past few days and what I realised? Unfair is happening with everyone! They removed even all the licenses of my cousin for the thing which he didn't do.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 12:50:52 pm
No I'm not. Say sorry to the persons here right now. Because when they do mistake or break any rule , they do say sorry and you also have to.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are in absolutely no position to demand such things. This exact attitude is why you are no longer welcome on the server and IMHO should not be allowed back anytime soon either.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Mikro on March 18, 2016, 12:51:58 pm
You are definitely not in a position to tell any staff member to say sorry. People like you break this community with the constant bullshit and claims about "unfairness". Well, newsflash, you broke the rules and you act like a twat about it. Don't expect to get a nice box of chocolates if you generally act without disrespect towards others yourself. And after your constant bullshit you try to blame it on the Argonath staff? Sadly RON is not around anymore, so I will say it for him: FUCK OFF ALREADY.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 12:52:34 pm
Aren't you tired already dude? Are you Aidens secretary to talk on his name? Go take your complains and crying on skype with appropriate people. Stop flooding this forum with this nonsense topic already...
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 12:55:35 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are in absolutely no position to demand such things. This exact attitude is why you are no longer welcome on the server and IMHO should not be allowed back anytime soon either.

Of course not! How many times do I say? I don't want to come back.

Sorry to burst my bubble? Aye, say it to the persons and in the correct way. I don't have any personal problem with you. I don't demand such things but you have to be good and say it. So go ahead and say sorry to them.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 12:57:40 pm
Of course not! How many times do I say? I don't want to come back.

Sorry to burst my bubble? Aye, say it to the persons and in the correct way. I don't have any personal problem with you. I don't demand such things but you have to be good and say it. So go ahead and say sorry to them.
If you don't want to come back, close your browser and stop posting nonsense.

I don't have any problem with you as a person either, just with your cunt attitude.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Khm on March 18, 2016, 01:00:37 pm
Of course not! How many times do I say? I don't want to come back.

Sorry to burst my bubble? Aye, say it to the persons and in the correct way. I don't have any personal problem with you. I don't demand such things but you have to be good and say it. So go ahead and say sorry to them.
So you are complaining about how horrible their attitude is and still can't manage to control yours. They don't have to show everything they do to public, only to the needed people. If you don't want to come back why the heck fuck you are still here? And wait how old are you again?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 01:01:28 pm
Sadly RON is not around anymore, so I will say it for him: FUCK OFF ALREADY.

FYI this is what I want to prove,  Learn to talk without using shitty words!

Aren't you tired already dude? Are you Aidens secretary to talk on his name? Go take your complains and crying on skype with appropriate people. Stop flooding this forum with this nonsense topic already..

Have a drink mate, face it! No skype talks peoples need to know as well!
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Ellz121 on March 18, 2016, 01:02:04 pm


People like you break this community with the constant bullshit and claims about "unfairness"

you broke the rules and you act like a twat about it.

And after your constant bullshit you try to blame it on the Argonath staff? 

FUCK OFF ALREADY.
+1
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 01:02:45 pm
Of course not! How many times do I say? I don't want to come back.
If you come here to cry me a river then youre in the wrpng place. You may go to that other place you started to play, they play good blackjack there. They dont scam. Now please, stpp posting things that you have no idea about and go on. I dont understand why are you the one complaining about ypur cousins virtual money and not him. Please, start using common sense and stop changing the subject every time you get stuck in one. Thank you very much. ;)
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 01:04:26 pm
You yourself said twice now that you wanted to leave this community, that you want nothing to do with it anymore.
Here you are with a topic questioning our line of work that you don't even have a say in as the consumer. Going as far as to annoy the team and players with your aimless questioning.
Now you just want us to hurl insults at you because that's the point you're trying to bring across: The lack of respect players give us, results in us not having any respect for them. If you tell people to fuck themselves, we tell you the same with a smile.

Lest you want me to make a banishment true to its meaning, then do what you said and get the hell out of here already.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 01:10:58 pm
Well, I was just here to open eyes of the peoples here. I tried a lot. And why do you guys post in each of your post about my attitude. My attitude isn't bad here, look at yours. "FOOK OFF ALREADY" this shitty behaviour.

@Khm. Elder than you.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Marcel on March 18, 2016, 01:12:56 pm
@Khm. Elder than you.
*Older
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 01:13:20 pm
Well, I was just here to open eyes of the peoples here. I tried a lot. And why do you guys post in each of your post about my attitude. My attitude isn't bad here, look at yours. "FOOK OFF ALREADY" this shitty behaviour.
I got denied in my previous unban request, I'm just here to say FUCK OFF. You guys don't know how much of dick you guys are. I never had any heart to come back here but some friends forced me, this is why I posted to connect with them. Well, you guys give me a single reason to play in this f**cking corrupted server when I'm already enjoying in Ls-Rp.@Devin go lick some other groups asses so that they give you some players. You do understand for what I'm talking about. I'm done from this shit! Good bye and go ahead and deny it. bad girl

You really are oblivious, aren't you. You have no respect for us, we have no respect for you.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Rusty on March 18, 2016, 01:15:48 pm
You've had your fifteen minutes of fame now, jog on.  We'd take your thread more serious if you hadn't expressed that you were leaving and don't want anything to do with the server any more and that we could fuck off.

 
Elder than you.

I believe you mean - older.
Doubt you are though since he's what 18, 19?  Your only 17 going by your profile.  I still don't get the point of the thread, is it to bash how we used adult language or is it to bash us for how we banned Aiden and took his money? 

Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: TiMoN on March 18, 2016, 01:17:20 pm
I feel sorry for your parents and friends as well as people who are forced to interact with you on a daily basis Hayden.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Sweeper on March 18, 2016, 01:21:28 pm
The staff responding with the same attitude are even more stupid than Finch.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Khm on March 18, 2016, 01:25:07 pm
Well, I was just here to open eyes of the peoples here. I tried a lot. And why do you guys post in each of your post about my attitude. My attitude isn't bad here, look at yours. "FOOK OFF ALREADY" this shitty behaviour.

@Khm. Elder than you.
I wasn't talking about your attitude here only, you also have the same exact attitude elsewhere (which obviously everyone knows what I am talking about) that I've dealt with in the past and you weren't nice about it. Plus I asked about your age not if you are a greater leader  than me or not or whatever you meant with that.  :lol:
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Traser on March 18, 2016, 01:25:26 pm
I am not even reading the rest of the topic, as i sense derailment.. once again.

I fully go with Marcel's statement:
I agree with you to the extent that staff has to use somewhat civilised language towards the players.

The rest.. well let's just say the morning paper had more interesting parts.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 01:28:49 pm
@Khm. Elder than you.
One of the things i srsly hate more is this bullshit you just said here. Being older or no doesnt even matter. Brain makes the difference so please find another shit to start a lame argument.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Gnb_22 on March 18, 2016, 01:31:03 pm
#Fight4Juststicks
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: AlSforza on March 18, 2016, 01:32:08 pm
Well, I was just here to open eyes of the peoples here. I tried a lot. And why do you guys post in each of your post about my attitude. My attitude isn't bad here, look at yours. "FOOK OFF ALREADY" this shitty behaviour.

@Khm. Elder than you.

Open the eyes to the wonders of "/pm ID gambel", or to the fact that the administration didn't unban your cousin since he was banned on valid grounds? I believe they don't ban people "just 'cus"... If so, they wouldn't unban them, am I right? Admins in this server make decisions: Some are correct, some are not, and as you could see by Marcel's early post, if the decision is not correct, they'll revert it. So I don't understand much of what's the problem here. Don't want the admins to swear and talk badly at you? Don't be a douchebag and a whiny little brat that just wants to do what he wants. Don't want to get banned? Play correctly, which means roleplay - since this is a roleplay server -, which means the idea is to interact, not get money to buy an infernus and a big building and then just be an idiot.

You talked about teaching people in one of your early posts, I'm all up for that, but let me try something very avant-garde, which is: a google search. So this is what I got with the search "How to Roleplay" - http://www.wikihow.com/Roleplay
I'm all up for teaching and helping out others. Many members of this community can vouch for that. But c'mon, a little commitment? At least know what's expected from you?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Finch on March 18, 2016, 01:32:31 pm
how we banned Aiden and took his money?

You guys took his money for no reason and he settled his mind but what he told me is you guys removed his 8 vehicle licenses, 3 house licenses and 2 business licenses for no reason, Do you smell unfair now?

The reason of the topic is cut the unfairness and use civilised language towards the players.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Bruce. on March 18, 2016, 01:34:09 pm
The staff responding with the same attitude are even more stupid than Finch.
Should we give him flowers? Or should we give him the love ?
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: eymas on March 18, 2016, 01:37:47 pm
The reason of the topic is cut the unfairness and use civilised language towards the players.
Then we have that question answered multiple times before.
Civilised language: Talk normally to us, we talk normally to you.
Unfairness: We do take care of that when we spot discord, however we are bound by confidentiality and cannot share how we did it. We do share the results.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Gnb_22 on March 18, 2016, 01:42:23 pm
#Fair&Civilized
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Stivi on March 18, 2016, 01:42:50 pm
dear mate

lmao.
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Meow Meow on March 18, 2016, 01:49:14 pm
I still don't get the point of the thread, is it to bash how we used adult language or is it to bash us for how we banned Aiden and took his money?
Come on Rusty, don't you see? the guy thinks he can make everyone leave the server, but guess what! Common sense still applies, Moaners will always find new ways to moan their ways into a nonsense and un logical topics, lets just pass it  :cowboy:
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: AK47 on March 18, 2016, 02:19:27 pm
I feel sorry for you if you guys seriously cry over virtual cash, wow just wow haha
Title: Re: Fight For Justice!
Post by: Devin on March 18, 2016, 02:40:48 pm
You guys took his money for no reason and he settled his mind but what he told me is you guys removed his 8 vehicle licenses, 3 house licenses and 2 business licenses for no reason, Do you smell unfair now?

The reason of the topic is cut the unfairness and use civilised language towards the players.

What happened with Aiden does not concern you, but seeing as you want to make it a problem in public. I told him personally that his account was RESET, hence licenses, money, vehicles and properties were ALL removed. Simple as that.

Seeing as we are getting nowhere with this, topic closed. I am sure people can see where the issue is.
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