Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: jack8107 on August 27, 2016, 07:09:40 pm
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A few minutes ago me and *Deleted, requested*were chatting on the ivmp skype chat and we came up with an idea.
So as you can see from the title its a votekick option.
Every now and then i can see a message saying "Admin in game please spammer,abuser...." etc.
That could be fixed.
Votekick would implement a simple /votekick [id] [reason]
and than other players could type in "/votekick yes" or /votekick no" these are just ideas ofcourse.
This command would only be available when no admins online, however only trusted members "COL" trusted members" can vote kick not some random players using it.
If You are afraid of the command beeing abused you could always make it so only people with some time on the server could initiate the command. or something similar.
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Jack8107
PS: If you are going to deny it just remember one last thing
Instead of the server getting screwed everyday by rulebreakers accept more admins from different timezones not the same timezones, Canada or American timezone.
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I know i'm not a part of IV:MP and I don't really play it but to be honest, having a votekick command on a GTA server looks stupid. It would fit more on CoD of BF type of games...idk in GTA looks kinda weird.
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adding option for a group of players to gang up on someone is not a good idea in any case, not supported.
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This can be abused so easily, even with your suggestions. Leave it to the administrators, they have the job to secure the server.
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It has a high chance of being abused
Not supported.
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How can it be abused? 10 rulebreakers will /votekick and kick good guy? If we will tune this option it will be good thing. I dont believe it can be really abused. If rulebreakers come ot it is 1-2 rulebrekers online. If you still think it can be abused, then allow it at least to COL staff or to loyal players. Though knowing Genovese they really can abuse it. Yesterday server was full and thereb were 2 rulebrekers and no admins. It must to be a bit improven. For example turn off option when there are admins online, allow it to col stuff or to citizens only. Kick when there are 10+ votes(just an example), we will need update rules according to this command and create serious punishments for abusing. If you will think about this idea deeper it will be good solution of many problems.
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It is right that it may be useful, but It is not a good idea to give power to untrusted members.
It is simply like other games, it will be abused. Most of the players will abuse it.
It will also cause some other problems, it will start the hate between players. If the kicked player was kicked wrongfully, he will come back and goes on an insult-spree over everyone who tried to kick him. This will get things only worse.
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No, what we need is more activity from admins.
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Man stop coping stuff from other communities, Create your own Ideas
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No, what we need is more activity from admins.
That is you waking up early :lol:
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Man stop coping stuff from other communities, Create your own Ideas
It's not coppied from other communities.. It came up during a chat in skype, just an idea.
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I'm going to stir the pot a bit and see what you guys thing of an adaptation of this suggestion.
What if the cmd was given to high ranked LCPD and FBI members? Voting would be initiated by them and the rest of the server can vote. Voting would only be allowed when there are no admins online. Also it could be made so that only players with no passport could be votekicked.
Pro's
- Server has more hours of protection against rulebreakers
- Rulebreakers will be kicked on behalf of the players in the server
Cons
- Newcomers could get kicked without proper guidance of the server
- Someone could abuse the command to kick someone they dislike/or for an invalid reason
- The server can gang up on a person for invalid reasons
Though I must admit, it's highly unlikely that this command will ever go through in ivmp, I think it's worth discussing it.
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Why high ranked lcpd and fbi only? Gosh...hire some moderators, teach them how to do their job and problem partially solved, because timezone can really be an issue for most of people.
Ain't no /votekick going to be a good idea, you teach the rulebreaker, you only kick/ban him when he is being an annoyance for all the players with his behaviour.
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Gosh...hire some moderators, teach them how to do their job and problem partially solved, because timezone can really be an issue for most of people.
Irrelevant for this suggestion though
Why high ranked lcpd and fbi only?
Suggested by me, so that trusted members of the server can initiate the vote. This could also be granted to regulars if adapted differently.
Though I wish to point out that this suggestion (/votekick) is not considered to be implemented (atleast by me).
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Irrelevant for this suggestion though
Not really, the main problem issued by players is the fact that there aren't admins present when rulebreakers are on, so this is a 100% true problem since long, i can see alot of inactive admins got kicked or left but still, you should try to cover the timezones with enough admins/moderators before considering the implementation of such command.
Suggested by me, so that trusted members of the server can initiate the vote. This could also be granted to regulars if adapted differently.
Though I wish to point out that this suggestion (/votekick) is not considered to be implemented (atleast by me).
I can just apply and get a high rank in lcpd or fbi and act like if i'm responsible enough to kick someone who is breaking the rules but actually i'm just a player like others, the only difference is that i'm being given a power that i should not have. Leave the kick option to moderators and admins, there is no need for "experienced law enforcers or regulars" to handle administrative punishments, so i agree with you with not implementing this whole thing.
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Trusted members, forgot to mention that.
There must be some kind of Community tags for only trusted members like James Conway or something like that, however there won't be any real 'tags'. "OM(official member)James_Conway.
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If not votekick then add Anti-CarJack. If someone tries to carjack you he'll be slapped and frozen for 5 seconds (unless a cop carjacks a criminal)
And anti CarKill, if someone carkills you he gets jailed for 5 minutes in jail and he'll be asked some questions about the rules and he if answers it wrong he'll remain in jail
Anti DM, no need to explain.
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If not votekick then add Anti-CarJack. If someone tries to carjack you he'll be slapped and frozen for 5 seconds (unless a cop carjacks a criminal)
And anti CarKill, if someone carkills you he gets jailed for 5 minutes in jail and he'll be asked some questions about the rules and he if answers it wrong he'll remain in jail
Anti DM, no need to explain.
For anti-carjacker, maybe. But as for the Anti carkill, it is not a good idea.. Not all car kills are against rules
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For anti-carjacker, maybe. But as for the Anti carkill, it is not a good idea.. Not all car kills are against rules
Tell me, when are you allowed to carkill?
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Tell me, when are you allowed to carkill?
You are not allowed to carkill. But not everyone who kills with with his car did break the rules.
You're driving with a very low speed, a troller jumps infront of you with 1% hp.. you car kill him. You get auto jailed for that? Nope, it is not your fault, you did not break the rules.
Some are accidents, some are bad luck.
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Tell me, when are you allowed to carkill?
If you torture and then run over a man in RP its not a rulebeak :)
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Ok one more thing, the carkilled player can choose else to punish or forgive the player who carkilled him
In case of roleplay he can forgive him (it means he accepted it as a roleplay) and in case of forced-Roleplay the player will choose to punish the player and he'll be thrown in the prison for 5 minutes or whatever
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It's not coppied from other communities.. It came up during a chat in skype, just an idea.
What if i prove this command...
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Ok one more thing, the carkilled player can choose else to punish or forgive the player who carkilled him
In case of roleplay he can forgive him (it means he accepted it as a roleplay) and in case of forced-Roleplay the player will choose to punish the player and he'll be thrown in the prison for 5 minutes or whatever
Just no, stop with this already. There is no need to give such commands to other players, if you really want to kick those rulebreakers, apply for moderator and do help the server in becomimg a better experience for everyone.
This shit about votekick makes no sense in a rp server (sry, forgot it's stunt-occasionally rp) and never will. All what you can do is help administrations in catching these people.
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Are you serious, Markk?
Harzy is a good, friendly and a helpful player and he applied for Moderator position already
And it is been 1 year and he is still showing his interests, is he accepted? Nope.
Tell me when was the last time someone applied for a moderator and got accepted?
And Sticky don't smartass, please.
Eh you know what Sticky? There are many IVMP and SAMP and CSGO servers, Argonath is very unoriginal let's delete Argonath then.
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Are you serious, Markk?
Harzy is a good, friendly and a helpful player and he applied for Moderator position already
And it is been 1 year and he is still showing his interests, is he accepted? Nope.
Tell me when was the last time someone applied for a moderator and got accepted?
And Sticky don't smartass, please.
Eh you know what Sticky? There are many IVMP and SAMP and CSGO servers, Argonath is very unoriginal let's delete Argonath then.
Jack, calm down, man. Even, though, many times rulebreakers really do ruin the game, sometimes a small talk with him can work. But, if he/she understands English and continues to rulebreak, bring evidence to an admin on the server. He/she will deal with it. As for the anti-carjacking command, it should be useful, but, I remember in RS 1.8 that there was a freezing script when you entered a car and went randomly(mostly for no good reason) and froze you and said that carjacking isn't allowed. So, with some calibrations, a command like this might actually work. :D
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I'm not saying I support this, but I think people rush to assume that it would be abused.
Rules regarding the use of votekick could be added, and abuse of the system could be met with severe punishment. Only experienced players could initiate it. Votekicked players could be logged for admins to review later to verify the validity, etc etc etc...
Again not saying I support it, but I don't think players are in a big hurry to abuse it and cause trouble from admins on themselves. Food for thought.
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This idea has been posted few years ago here :
Topic: /votekick and /voteban (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=84994.0)
2nd post from Ramis
Topic: Kick Vote (/votekick) (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106142.0)
and this is Bilbo's quoted text :
Original text from Bilbo
Let me give you a scenario:
You are hanging out with your mates in the server, there are quite a few of you in the same bunch.
You see an annoying new player come to you, who steals your car and insults you. You and your friends voteban him from the server - just because he was new.
Besides, we got /report and we got administrator staff online, if there is no administrator staff online when a rulebreake occurs, please do take a screenshot or write down the player
name and what he did and report him to an admin as soon as one comes online. That administrator can then talk to that player who broke the rules and use a punishment if necessary.
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I'm going to stir the pot a bit and see what you guys thing of an adaptation of this suggestion.
What if the cmd was given to high ranked LCPD and FBI members? Voting would be initiated by them and the rest of the server can vote. Voting would only be allowed when there are no admins online. Also it could be made so that only players with no passport could be votekicked.
Pro's
- Server has more hours of protection against rulebreakers
- Rulebreakers will be kicked on behalf of the players in the server
Cons
- Newcomers could get kicked without proper guidance of the server
- Someone could abuse the command to kick someone they dislike/or for an invalid reason
- The server can gang up on a person for invalid reasons
Though I must admit, it's highly unlikely that this command will ever go through in ivmp, I think it's worth discussing it.
This is very good idea as james said only LCPD/FBI members can use /votekick command so others cannot abuse, Yesterday There was a lot of rule breakers and keep Dming getting carkilled and the whole server was full of suspects and no admin shown, If admin cannot be active at some days then i support for this idea as james said it can only used by High Ranked cops.
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This is very good idea as james said only LCPD/FBI members can use /votekick command so others cannot abuse, Yesterday There was a lot of rule breakers and keep Dming getting carkilled and the whole server was full of suspects and no admin shown, If admin cannot be active at some days then i support for this idea as james said it can only used by High Ranked cops.
This idea has it goods as it has it bads.
The vote should not be started by high ranked cops only, since it is not a cops related matter. Instead, COL, SFDS should be as well able to do it.
I actually don't support this idea because of the treating that new players will receive.. but if it is really needed, then why not.
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This idea has it goods as it has it bads.
The vote should not be started by high ranked cops only, since it is not a cops related matter. Instead, COL, SFDS should be as well able to do it.
I actually don't support this idea because of the treating that new players will receive.. but if it is really needed, then why not.
This one is right tho COL can handle the vote kick but also as High ranked cops are trustfull and cops are mush active so they can handle it anyways
New player will get kicked for: rule breaking check /rules and rejoin the game. this will be mush better for them to understand the server rules i know that you can explain to them in main the server rules however some of them will not pay attention and keep rule breaking and when he get kicked he will pay more attention and understand server rules supported.
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Supported
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This idea has it goods as it has it bads.
The vote should not be started by high ranked cops only, since it is not a cops related matter. Instead, COL, SFDS should be as well able to do it.
I actually don't support this idea because of the treating that new players will receive.. but if it is really needed, then why not.
SFDS? :lol:
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SFDS? :lol:
SSDS, my bad :lol:
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Do consider that people can gang up to kick somebody for fun. Imo nobody except administration should be allowed to kick rule breakers. Wanna solve it? Hire people who are willing to play in different time zones and that really care about server integrity and image. Giving this command in the hands of regulars or "trusted" people (who can always turn up to be jerks or people going against the server) is not a good idea and never will be in a roleplay server. I do realize that most of people have no idea that this is a roleplay server when they first join so that's why you should't kick them but try to stop them and report meanwhile (skype, forums, whatever you have to use, do it). Being a helper on a different server where most of newcomers are hackers i'd say it would be a useful command, but here...the max they can do is car-kill you. Rule breakers get bored if they're ignored, they either quit or stop rule breaking for some time, that's why kicking them is reserved to administrations. They know if they should kick, ajail or warn them, they're trained for this and i know you heard this lot of times but it's the damn truth.
Unless you want to introduce a new rank with lower power than moderators and you are willing to train these guys on how to react on rule breakers i would not suggest this idea to be implemented.
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Though I wish to point out that this suggestion (/votekick) is not considered to be implemented (atleast by me).
I retract my statement. This idea has potential.
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This is a roleplay server and not some team up and kick game. If new player will start getting kicked every 5 mins for the mistakes they do, they will just stop playing the game, or worse may get offended and start doing some nasty shit.
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This is a roleplay server and not some team up and kick game. If new player will start getting kicked every 5 mins for the mistakes they do, they will just stop playing the game, or worse may get offended and start doing some nasty shit.
Again as it said not every player can handle the /votekick command only /col members&DT
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Idea sounds pretty neat. Last time there are a lot of rulebreakers and no admins online, People saying it could be abused, It can be definitely abused, but if actions are taken towards such people, no one will ever plan to "team up" and kick someone intentionally. Logs can be checked incase someone is spamming "/votekick that guy etc etc" and he could get punished for his actions and after that no one will repeat same thing. If strong qualification is set on who can use command, it won't be abused. As for players voting (/votekick yes), There should be limitations aswell, player should have passport and license obviously and maybe gameplay of several months behind his account. Also player should only be kicked only when 90+% of server agrees on it, after he has repeatedly DMed,CarKilled.. etc and everyone has seen those actions. Obviouly there can be more tweaks to make it complex and anti-abusable, But it definitely comes handy when staff is not on, which happens more often now.
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And i think this is a good idea you can use /report for the player and he gets auto kicked by sauron if the player got more then 5 report gets kicked by sauron and if there is teaming with other players and reporting that guy they would get punished by admins checking that chat logs.
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It can be abused,so im not supporting this,people will try to kick players when they lose their temper with this even it is new players,i prefer leave it to admins
UNSUPPORTED
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If it limits amount of people to be kicked, or limits a person to be kicked just every XX minutes only , only then i support. Some people might abuse this votekick everytime someone logs in.
For example you got a hate on someone , and u tell your mates to kick the dude out , and you keep spamming the votekick everytime the dude logs in over and over again.
If this was implemented very carefully , then only then i could support.
If its just basically votekick , then unsupported
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As many said, this can be abused very easly, and Administrators don`t have the time to check the logs always to see who abused it.
They aren`t babysitters. And granting COL or LCPD the ability to use this command is a better idea but still... NO.
This part of ArgonathRPG (http://argonathrpg.eu) can better be left for Administrators to handle it. And yes, mostly they have their own life too, so they can`t be online forever.
If you really want to help in this part and you think that you can solve this issue that is here going on, you`ll be better out going to apply for Moderator here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116155.0).
Unsupported.
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here are my words for it:
No.
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Unsupported I am not a part of IV:MP but still this groupkick system will ruin the server for sure.Its a bad idea.