Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on August 31, 2016, 06:33:47 pm
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Hola,
We discussed this before I left, and while I'm not really back or at least as in much of a capacity as I was before this will be what I am working on. The idea has been formed mainly based on player feedback.
First and foremost: we will NOT have a pay to win system, although paying does give advantages none of those will give perks in combat or in most situations. In addition, you can earn every single premium item/reward without paying in-game. Typically via developer hosted events.
The first premium items to be implemented will be certificates, these include free name changes, custom join locations (1 month), and allowing the use of titles.
Free name changes are probably self explanatory, but custom join locations will change your country to whatever you want (within approval range). Titles, will be text under your name that are unlocked with achievements. Having used a title certificate, you can display those titles. In addition, any member who purchases any reward in the testing phase will receive an exclusive title.
Titles do provide enhancements, depending on the achievement. Example, having the "Notorious" achievement title displayed will increase earned notoriety by a percentage. This only affects actively displayed titles, so you can only have one.
Note: we will always allow players to earn premium rewards in-game, paying will only be a shortcut.
Our initial system will be manual during it's testing phase, an automated system will be developed alongside the premium system.
Before you ask...
What about VIP subscriptions?
At this point, we have no estimates on when we'll be launching a VIP system. Right now the founder package is available at: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3918306 and is a monthly based subscription.
Average cost of premium items?
Typically less than a few euros.
When can we start buying?
Sometime in September, the Platinum Gift Box with some of these items will be available in an update Sept. 1st, and some of them maybe usable. Note the vehicle voucher listed is NOT a premium item. Vehicles and properties will not be a premium reward. Ever.
[12:28:37 PM | Edited 12:28:51 PM] Fuzzy: I hope your asshole will be a premium reward
Nope, no it will not.
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I like Fuzzy's idea of a premium ass reward.
I spend my money on stupid shit as it is, I know how this will go....
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I agree with Luke on this one.
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At least add something worth paying for, tbh I wouldn't spend $1 irl when I can namechange for $10000 ig.
pls sell unbans too
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At least add something worth paying for, tbh I wouldn't spend $1 irl when I can namechange for $10000 ig.
pls sell unbans too
We're open to suggestions. Not unbans though. Sorry... although would be bill gates in a month.
We'll be using, for now https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3918306.
The rate is $1 = 1,000 coins (coins are the premium currency, not in-game currency)
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Do these money go to developers or hosting companies?
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Do these money go to developers or hosting companies?
I'm gonna go with hosting.
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Do these money go to developers or hosting companies?
If you use Patreon, they go directly to the developers.
Another system coming later this month, will benefit the hosting.
so you choose.
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If you use Patreon, they go directly to the developers.
Another system coming later this month, will benefit the hosting.
so you choose.
Shouldn't priority be given to hosting and excess funds are then awarded to developers?
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If you use Patreon, they go directly to the developers.
Another system coming later this month, will benefit the hosting.
so you choose.
I rather pay developers, Gandalf got hosting covered. But then again if one pays I expect some work getting done, much faster than usual.
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So what can I get for 1000 coins?
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I rather pay developers, Gandalf got hosting covered. But then again if one pays I expect some work getting done, much faster than usual.
The more payments, the more coffee developers can buy, the more coffee they can buy, the more that gets converted into code.
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So what can I get for 1000 coins?
The name changes will be 5x (so five free name changes) for 1,000. The rest is still being determined but all less than a few thousand coins (few euros)
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I spend my money on stupid shit as it is, I know how this will go....
Fucks sake. I hope you fuckers will enjoy the thousands of euros I will throw at you.
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Developers be like
(http://1u88jj3r4db2x4txp44yqfj1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/developer-tools.jpg)
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Developers be like
(http://1u88jj3r4db2x4txp44yqfj1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/developer-tools.jpg)
more realistic:
(https://i.imgur.com/IggxGma.jpg)
xD I've actually woken up in the middle of the night with an idea, coded it and went back to bed. I don't think ever for Argonath, but a few times for client projects
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xD I've actually woken up in the middle of the night with an idea, coded it and went back to bed. I don't think ever for Argonath, but a few times for client projects
why no fap?
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why no fap?
Well I'm very selective on the times for that.
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Developers be like
(http://1u88jj3r4db2x4txp44yqfj1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/developer-tools.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1mPZiLC.png)
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I like Fuzzy's idea of a premium ass reward.
I spend my money on stupid shit as it is, I know how this will go....
I agree with that Luke...
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Lmfao, is this for real?
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Premium system? Seriously?
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Premium system? Seriously?
I can't believe Gandalf would have ever approved such a thing.
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I can't believe Gandalf would have ever approved such a thing.
He did fully approve of this.
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I don't like this, at all.
I see where this is coming from, and what's it's for. I see that the world tends to move into a subscription model as well, but that being said, for Argonath, I don't think it's the right move.
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He did fully approve of this.
(http://replygif.net/i/1227.gif)
Oh, you.
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At least add something worth paying for, tbh I wouldn't spend $1 irl when I can namechange for $10000 ig.
pls sell unbans too
You get 5 namechanges, that's worth $50000 ARD.
It takes me a few minutes to earn $1 IRL, but it'd take me hours to earn $50000. I'd rather spend the time it'd take me to earn 50k on earning a few hundred RL dollars and then come in-game, and pay one dollar.
But then, again, I didn't play SAMP for months so I don't know what's the situation.
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Seeing as it is a bit too late (or early) for April's Fools, I am bound to take this post seriously. And if it is serious, what the fuck has HQ been smoking?
One.
No matter how you put it, this Premium System gives a social and gameplay advantage to the player who pays. Following your example of a set percentage higher notoriety gain through the use of titles, a paying player can earn access to restricted weaponry faster than a non-paying player (not to mention recover it should the paying player die with a bounty on their head, losing it all). Likewise, a player with a title which is unobtainable without paying real money gives off a status image, and thus - in a way - it elevates the paying player's social rank in the community over a non-paying member. This literally splits the community into two types of people: paying and non-paying. Now you may think this is insignificant, but it is not. Today we have this, tomorrow we could have a completely different monster on our hands. Will you allow the trade of Premium items between players in the future, effectively letting people buy in-game money with real money? Will you add new, premium-only /wear items to increase the roleplay immersion of paying players? Maybe give them big, golden combat shotguns so they can properly show of their big dicks in-game, right? The community has to stand up against this kind of shit before developers start pushing it further and further, this is not fucking good.
Two.
What kind of example does this set to new players? They enter the server, they see people running around with titles and buffs that they can only gain through paying real world money. Many of our players are underage with parents that prohibit them from paying online, other players may live in countries with weaker economy to the point where a subscription could be potentially ten times as expensive as for a player in, say, Scandinavia. Of course this is limited to just "weak" buffs and "cosmetic" status symbols, but as I pointed out in my first point, it creates a divide in the community, and new players may leave because they may feel like they can never catch up in status and ability to the old veterans, regardless how insignificant these Premium perks actually are.
Three.
Before you started thinking about whether or not this could work in Argonath, or whether or not you should implement it, did you think about whether or not Argonath actually needs this? Really, stop and think hard for a second. Does this even remotely belong in Argonath? What you are doing, in essence, is offering perks for people that give a monthly donation. This goes directly against the Argonath Vision. Gandalf, if you are reading this and have approved of this, please do tell so right here. I simply cannot believe that Gandalf is in on this, he of all people should be striving to preserve the vision, not disregard it.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
3. Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
This brings nothing good to our community and absolutely shits on the Argonath Vision we've had for ten years now. Something like this coming out right after the 10th anniversary is frankly an insult to the community and a big embarrassment from the HQ.
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit "Premium" system. It never has and never will have place in Argonath RPG.
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Seeing as it is a bit too late (or early) for April's Fools, I am bound to take this post seriously. And if it is serious, what the fuck has HQ been smoking?
One.
No matter how you put it, this Premium System gives a social and gameplay advantage to the player who pays. Following your example of a set percentage higher notoriety gain through the use of titles, a paying player can earn access to restricted weaponry faster than a non-paying player (not to mention recover it should the paying player die with a bounty on their head, losing it all). Likewise, a player with a title which is unobtainable without paying real money gives off a status image, and thus - in a way - it elevates the paying player's social rank in the community over a non-paying member. This literally splits the community into two types of people: paying and non-paying. Now you may think this is insignificant, but it is not. Today we have this, tomorrow we could have a completely different monster on our hands. Will you allow the trade of Premium items between players in the future, effectively letting people buy in-game money with real money? Will you add new, premium-only /wear items to increase the roleplay immersion of paying players? Maybe give them big, golden combat shotguns so they can properly show of their big dicks in-game, right? The community has to stand up against this kind of shit before developers start pushing it further and further, this is not fucking good.
Two.
What kind of example does this set to new players? They enter the server, they see people running around with titles and buffs that they can only gain through paying real world money. Many of our players are underage with parents that prohibit them from paying online, other players may live in countries with weaker economy to the point where a subscription could be potentially ten times as expensive as for a player in, say, Scandinavia. Of course this is limited to just "weak" buffs and "cosmetic" status symbols, but as I pointed out in my first point, it creates a divide in the community, and new players may leave because they may feel like they can never catch up in status and ability to the old veterans, regardless how insignificant these Premium perks actually are.
Three.
Before you started thinking about whether or not this could work in Argonath, or whether or not you should implement it, did you think about whether or not Argonath actually needs this? Really, stop and think hard for a second. Does this even remotely belong in Argonath? What you are doing, in essence, is offering perks for people that give a monthly donation. This goes directly against the Argonath Vision. Gandalf, if you are reading this and have approved of this, please do tell so right here. I simply cannot believe that Gandalf is in on this, he of all people should be striving to preserve the vision, not disregard it.
This brings nothing good to our community and absolutely shits on the Argonath Vision we've had for ten years now. Something like this coming out right after the 10th anniversary is frankly an insult to the community and a big embarrassment from the HQ.
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit "Premium" system. It never has and never will have place in Argonath RPG.
Thank you, I was too lazy to type exactly what you said right here.
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You get 5 namechanges, that's worth $50000 ARD.
It takes me a few minutes to earn $1 IRL, but it'd take me hours to earn $50000. I'd rather spend the time it'd take me to earn 50k on earning a few hundred RL dollars and then come in-game, and pay one dollar.
And how exactly will that benifit Argonath? It will be more like a pay2win game, this will not be on favor of players, playerbase, and especially roleplay at all
I honestly don't know why such a step was approved by Gandalf. I fully unsupport it. It is not a good idea.. not in Argonath.
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If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.
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If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.
No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.
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If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.
This does not solve anything.
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No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.
I don't need to read anything. We had this discussion already with the community and designed a system around the feedback provided. This isn't a discussion about if it will or won't be added. That happened. This is a it's going to happen and these are the details. Now stay on topic. Thanks.
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No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.
This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.
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I don't need to read anything.
Yes, you do. Get off your high horse. I have nothing but respect for you and what you have done for this community so far, but that does not mean I will sit by silently when I believe you're steering the ship into an iceberg.
We had this discussion already with the community and designed a system around the feedback provided.
Irrelevant, as per point 5 of the Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=38482.0). I pointed this out (and many other things) in my original post, if you even bothered to read it. For someone who quotes (and presumingly shares) George Washington's views on the importance of having a vision, how can you disregard one so easily?
This isn't a discussion about if it will or won't be added. That happened. This is a it's going to happen and these are the details.
You did not post this in a stickied and locked thread in News & Announcements. You posted this in an unlocked thread in SA:MP General. Discussion can and will happen, this is the definition of a forum.
Now stay on topic. Thanks.
Ted, please. Nothing I have said is off-topic. Everything is relevant, every single word. I am not picking a fight with you, I am merely explaining (to the best of my ability) why I think this is a bad idea, and asked how you could come up with something that directly goes against the Argonath Vision. Since you mentioned Gandalf approved of this, I would like to know how he could have done so. How can we have faith in the HQ when they are being hypocritical about their own guidelines? You dodging the arguments and trying to (wrongfully) imply that I am going off-topic is not helping your cause here. I'm trying to be civil here, the least you could do is show me the same respect.
This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.
I understand, but I do not acknowledge it as relevant. I stand by the Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=38482.0), specifically point 2, 3 and 5. You as an old veteran should know the significance of this.
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Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.
Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.
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Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.
Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.
Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.
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Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.
Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.
I don't know if this money will go to them, but even if it does.
They spend alot of their time and without them none of this would here, I believe rewarding them wouldn't be a problem.
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You are right in saying the vision does condemn this but it doesn't change the fact I am not going to have the discussion all over again. It has nothing to do with my horses or which how much weed the current horse I am on has smoked. It's simply that we already had it. Plus the vision can always been circumvented by Gandalf, as it was here.
Imagine every idea if we had to have the conversation about it 10 times before we implemented it. We would never progress. If the premium system doesn't work out, it doesn't work and we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards... as we'll do anyways.
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I would like to support Argonath , but the PayPal payment method isn't enough for me duo to bank things and bla bla bla , but I do have a 10$ Paysafe and it has been sitting in my wallet for some months now. So I would like to give that ,instead of PayPal . Can we do something like that?
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Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.
True. Even though we're not forced to pay the developers but its kind of unnecessary to even ask for it. For a long time being a developer was volunteer position and once they start believing that they can get paid through this and once they do, the work flow will go down if they don't get paid. You'll see. I can only suggest not going through with this. But thats just my opinion, doesn't really have to be considered.
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True. Even though we're not forced to pay the developers but its kind of unnecessary to even ask for it. For a long time being a developer was volunteer position and once they start believing that they can get paid through this and once they do, the work flow will go down if they don't get paid. You'll see. I can only suggest not going through with this. But thats just my opinion, doesn't really have to be considered.
It's not about being "paid" as most of us have jobs, it's about a little compensation reward. The pay won't be regular and won't be much. It's not like we're asking the community to donate enough to support our lives. Plus the alternative system if you don't feel like contributing to the developers, which is your choice, will go directly to funds to support the game servers.
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Ehmm will you sell 4 Door Ranchers? I really want one. like really badly. and ehmm well nothing else rly, just a 4 door rancher x) I will buy it for 5 euros
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[...] we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards [...]
This is exactly how it should be from the beginning. Got new content? Great. Don't keep it behind a paywall. Yes, I understand that even with the subscription system, players are able to get the Premium items from events, but that doesn't justify it. This is not the Argonath I know and love, and perhaps that is what hurts the most. This may be a new age, but shitting on the vision is the same as shitting on the veterans. Hell, can you imagine what @JDC would say to this?
I suppose if this is decided then it is decided, there is nothing I can do but continuing voicing my disdain and give my honest feedback. Thank you for your time.
P.S: Since the current vision is officially flushed down the crapper retired, maybe time to make a new one? For a new 10 years, I guess.
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This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.
I'm sorry what? I have never seen anything (or I cannot remember) a discussion about premium shit.
You are right in saying the vision does condemn this but it doesn't change the fact I am not going to have the discussion all over again. It has nothing to do with my horses or which how much weed the current horse I am on has smoked. It's simply that we already had it. Plus the vision can always been circumvented by Gandalf, as it was here.
Imagine every idea if we had to have the conversation about it 10 times before we implemented it. We would never progress. If the premium system doesn't work out, it doesn't work and we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards... as we'll do anyways.
Well I would like to imagine the idea of having the same conversation on a fragile server like SA:MP. If a premium system will not work the player count will drop again and we start with the same shit all over again.
If any of this stuff is implemented, I will resign from any of my positions in SA:MP. Do not take this as an ultimatum, but I refuse to play on a server with premium content in return of money. I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking like this.
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This is exactly how it should be from the beginning. Got new content? Great. Don't keep it behind a paywall. Yes, I understand that even with the subscription system, players are able to get the Premium items from events, but that doesn't justify it. This is not the Argonath I know and love, and perhaps that is what hurts the most. This may be a new age, but shitting on the vision is the same as shitting on the veterans. Hell, can you imagine what JDC would say to this?
I suppose of this is decided then it is decided, there is nothing I can do but continuing voicing my disdain and give my honest feedback. Thank you for your time.
We are, the Sauron's TeddyBear event gives premium items as a reward. At zero cost. It also isn't a skill-based event so if you suck at DMing, or flying, or DDs then you aren't at a disadvantage to others. This Sauron's TeddyBear is only month one event, each month will introduce a new event that will give frequent premium rewards to non-payers. As I said, paying is only a shortcut. There's no real advantage other than saving time. Which rewards the developers or the server for ... well time. It's all on time.
Yes, I know what JDC would say because he did respond to that topic. He brought up some points but at the end of the day we go with what the community as a whole wants. You will always have a voice. We asked the community already. That's one thing I swore from day one I would work with the community. While I am not leading anything, the current leader of the dev team respects that same fundamental as does the dev team.
You maybe right and this totally won't work. In fact, I am mostly assuming on it won't work.
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Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.
No one forced them to script for Argonath either. They are volunteers;
Notes for server developer
* This is a volunteer position. You will never be paid.
It isn't really a problem to give some donation to scripters which usually gives them a push and makes them do even more, but seriously, you think this is the best way to do this?
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Ehmm will you sell 4 Door Ranchers? I really want one. like really badly. and ehmm well nothing else rly, just a 4 door rancher x) I will buy it for 5 euros
Fully supported, I really like this idea.
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It isn't really a problem to give some donation to scripters which usually gives them a push and makes them do even more, but seriously, you think this is the best way to do this?
Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.
This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?
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Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.
This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?
It does not matter if they get paid thousands or just some cents, it is all about the idea of people getting paid if they applied for it on a volunteer position. In the past 10 years we never had this discussion, what made this?
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I really like this idea.
What about my idea. Instead of PayPal im willing to pay in Paysafe. Is that possible?
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Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.
This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?
New pair of shoes.
Fully supported, I really like this idea.
+1
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I'm sorry what? I have never seen anything (or I cannot remember) a discussion about premium shit.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117237.0
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It does not matter if they get paid thousands or just some cents, it is all about the idea. In the past 10 years we never had this discussion, what made this?
I am not entirely sure what started the conversation about it. It was just mentioned once and we discussed it internally, some were against including myself for a time but after a while I saw the benefits of it. I understand it goes against a tradition of no-pay for over a decade. I get it. I'm not entirely sure if you've notice though but this isn't the same community it was 10 years ago. It's not the same community it was 8 years ago. It's not the same community it was even 5 years ago. A lot of it is the players and if we like it or not, we have to respect what the players want. A lot of people were in favor of this concept.
Again, this is NOT pay to win. Everything, 100% of what is premium can be EARNED in-game.
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I am not entirely sure what started the conversation about it. It was just mentioned once and we discussed it internally, some were against including myself for a time but after a while I saw the benefits of it. I understand it goes against a tradition of no-pay for over a decade. I get it. I'm not entirely sure if you've notice though but this isn't the same community it was 10 years ago. It's not the same community it was 8 years ago. It's not the same community it was even 5 years ago. A lot of it is the players and if we like it or not, we have to respect what the players want. A lot of people were in favor of this concept.
Again, this is NOT pay to win. Everything, 100% of what is premium can be EARNED in-game.
Up to the rest of the server then. I still refuse to play on a server with this mentality, and I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking the same. Good luck with this bullshit concept.
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New pair of shoes.
I wear Jordan's, don't think a few dollars will cover them :lol:
What about my idea. Instead of PayPal im willing to pay in Paysafe. Is that possible?
I am not entirely sure, we can see about that when/if we make the alternate system.
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Up to the rest of the server then. I still refuse to play on a server with this mentality, and I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking the same. Good luck with this bullshit concept.
That is your right to choose that and it should be respected. Nobody here will try and talk you out of it. I understand your point of view. I really do.
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That is your right to choose that and it should be respected. Nobody here will try and talk you out of it. I understand your point of view. I really do.
What about those 4 Door Ranchers? 10€ and bidding fam x) REALLY want one for RP reasons :3
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I have a feeling an FBI member will keep the teddy bear until Monday, because they'll get free namechanges and will make their UC easier.
I'm still against that anyway. One way or another when you see you get profit from this I guess you'll make the server pay2play. That definitely gives advantage to the rich people. Never been like this, and I think we can even change the motto "a world of its own" to "a world of my own money"
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What about those 4 Door Ranchers? 10€ and bidding fam x) REALLY want one for RP reasons :3
Vehicles and properties will not be a premium reward. Ever.
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Well I doubt Im the only one hunting for it so it would probs sell like hot buns
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Stop acting like it changes anything. All of this is easily gotten ig anyway. Some people can be lazy and donate but that is it mate.
It will change alot. Mentality, attitude, everything. Mark my words. But as said, if most of the players agree with this who am I to change it? It is not the mentality I would like to play in and thats why I am out.
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Please keep it a civil discussion.
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Jordan's
God damn right, take my money.
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Well I doubt Im the only one hunting for it so it would probs sell like hot buns
I'll bid $20
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Up to the rest of the server then. I still refuse to play on a server with this mentality, and I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking the same. Good luck with this bullshit concept.
I strongly agree with Twenty on this one. This'll only cause trouble i'm afraid..
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I'll bid $20
€30
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This will actually grow the e-penis attitude in Argonath, we haven't even been through salt yet..
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I think the thought process in people's head right now is a lot different to others, alright so first off the package you'd buy for $10 would be like a shortcut to most things it wouldn't give anyone any advantage about e-dick showing clear off this is the Internet everyone wags their e-dick, with the package you'd be able to buy it ONCE a month meaning that in most cases you couldn't use it to farm cash making it pay to win attitude you ain't wining shit, nothing changes, you get some items that are obtainable ingame already just at a rate that's all. Look on the bright side the work the scripting team and co put in already our money what we would donate would practically help them and keep motivation up and also improve the server even more, what is so wrong? We get better scripting (not saying it's bad but motivation would be more) hence more players hence, bigger community, and all for a few bucks and hell you even get something in return it's a win win, thats the only play to win objective I see here. It's a shame everyone always takes negatives more highly then positives in a situation like this and it's even funnier how the people who have less then 2 hours a week on the server throw their 10 cents around.
Been in this community for 8 years, stuff has changed, stayed throughout and all I can see is improvement after improvement. You take the rough with the smooth.
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Been in this community for 8 years, stuff has changed, stayed throughout and all I can see is improvement after improvement. You take the rough with the smooth.
While the point is good, the issue here is that they went against three points in the Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=38482.0), three promises that were supposed to be kept, three core principles that helped shape the server into what it is today. It would be like changing the constitution of a country overnight. I've already argued my points here on page two and three, and was basically given "fuck the vision, Gandalf is above it" as an answer. If this is what the community wants, then fine. It's just a shame that our old, traditional principles have to die because of it.
Whatever happens, happens, I guess. I for one do not believe this is a good change for Argonath.
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Who even cares about the vision except Gandalf and Sugarpedia
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Who even cares about the vision except Gandalf and Sugarpedia
Considering Gandalf owns and founded the whole community, I'm pretty sure him caring about the Argonath Vision is a pretty important point. Just saying.
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Yeah but the fact that "omg it's against the vision" when teddy said he said yes :p
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24 premium gift boxes given away today as event rewards. $0 paid. Just perspective.
Yeah but the fact that "omg it's against the vision" when teddy said he said yes :p
yeah well the vision isn't law, it's more a recommendation these days. That's not even me, that's him too.
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After some brief discussions and plans; we've decided to slate the premium reward concept for now. This does not mean cancelled. We will keep the premium events, and continue the premium items available through in-game events. However the payment rewards are no longer given. If you however want to freely donate to the developers; you may do so.
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After some brief discussions and plans; we've decided to slate the premium reward concept for now. This does not mean cancelled. We will keep the premium events, and continue the premium items available through in-game events. However the payment rewards are no longer given. If you however want to freely donate to the developers; you may do so.
:app:
It's stuff like this that has kept the community alive for almost a decade.
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After some brief discussions and plans; we've decided to slate the premium reward concept for now. This does not mean cancelled. We will keep the premium events, and continue the premium items available through in-game events. However the payment rewards are no longer given. If you however want to freely donate to the developers; you may do so.
Thank you. Faith restored for now.
I hope there will be a new discussion once plans for a premium system resume, because frankly speaking the topics I've seen linked here were very unconvincing. Maybe make an official poll and allow it to pass with a 65% majority vote? Much better way to document what the community really wants, in my opinion.
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After some brief discussions and plans; we've decided to slate the premium reward concept for now. This does not mean cancelled. We will keep the premium events, and continue the premium items available through in-game events. However the payment rewards are no longer given. If you however want to freely donate to the developers; you may do so.
:-/
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After some brief discussions and plans; we've decided to slate the premium reward concept for now. This does not mean cancelled. We will keep the premium events, and continue the premium items available through in-game events. However the payment rewards are no longer given. If you however want to freely donate to the developers; you may do so.
Happy to hear this.
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Good to hear, thanks.
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Thank you for rethinking this and putting it off.