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GTA:VC => VC:MP General => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP Ideas => Topic started by: Trobby888 on January 22, 2008, 12:32:17 pm
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I'm wondering if normal sparrows exist in VCMP. Because if there are, then it's best to make sea sparrows police helicopters.
Police mavericks in VCMP, don't have any weapons. You may be able to DB, but you must spin the helicopter around continously to do this. It's best that sea sparrows are police helicopters as they have the machine gun. That way, helicopter running suspects wouldn't have to be restricted, as there's a good way to stop them. In the meantime, all current sea sparrows can just be normal sparrows.
The other idea I want to introduce is that normal players should have an !eject command. This is because when people are in passenger seat, they can't get out of the car while it's moving. Even if it's just moving at 1 inch per hour, you still cannot get out of the car. It get annoying especially you're a cop sitting in the back seat and your driver stops the car at a hill or ramp. Then your car goes rolling over and you are stuck in the car missing the action and not to mention, the car might even fall in the water!
For normal players, the !eject command can only be used on the player himself. Admins can !eject anyone, but normal players can only eject themselves.
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@ The sea sparrow thing: There is normal sparrows too, but the way it is atm is just fine.
@ The !eject command: There is for admins, and I agree to make it to players too. Good idea.
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@ The !eject command: There is for admins, and I agree to make it to players too. Good idea.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, there goes my kidnapping biz :cry:
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, there goes my kidnapping biz :cry:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I forgot to mention something. If you're a passenger in a car which is !lock 'ed, you can no longer use the !eject button to get yourself out until the driver !unlock's the car.
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for the /eject command.. there is the /trip [id] works but you end up in the /lay position..i do it to eject people out of my car..and ive been in that non stop car rolling situation also works great in that circumstance also :)
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for the /eject command.. there is the /trip [id] works but you end up in the /lay position..i do it to eject people out of my car..and ive been in that non stop car rolling situation also works great in that circumstance also :)
This isn't about SAMP, screamokid. :roll: If you have noticed, this is in the VCMP ideas section, so how can it be about SAMP? And by the way, there's no !trip or !lay command in VCMP.
Oh yeah, wata, the reason I am saying that sea sparrows should be police helicopters while normal sparrows are just civilian vehicles is because, without the sea sparrow, there's no other way to stop a helicopter running suspect (Soon, the hunter will be restricted for army use only) who is flying at 1KM above Vice city. With sea sparrows and their helicannon, there are more possibilities to stop a helicopter running suspect, and hence, helicopter running suspects should be allowed in the server with the sea sparrow's as cop helicopters.
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I like it this, way, if a suspect escapes in an heli, just go get the hunter or the sea sparrow.
If sea sparrow is right in the SWAT spawn, SWATs are going to use it every times leaving suspects without chances.
Fighting helis should be last resource.
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o sorryy :( didnt see VC
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Lol guys, I can take hunters down easily with M60s, I don't see a real threat on them. :neutral:
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Lol guys, I can take hunters down easily with M60s, I don't see a real threat on them. :neutral:
the hellicanon is superior to the m60 in all aspects.
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the hellicanon is superior to the m60 in all aspects.
yup, but its still easy to take a hunter down.
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yup, but its still easy to take a hunter down.
I think it all depends on if the person flying the hunter is a good pilot.
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Doesn't matter Wata, hunter is a military aircraft, no civilians should use it. Any civilian using it will be suspected for stealing it.
Want to use attacking heli with civilian skin, use the seasparrow, that why it is there.
thats the hole point of this discussion.
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Lol guys, I can take hunters down easily with M60s, I don't see a real threat on them. :neutral:
It wouldn't be that easy, if the hunter pilot's full intention of coming by was to kill you. And besides, what if you don't have the M60?
Well, ok, let's say the hunter was really that easy to take down. If the hunter was that easy to take down, then the sea sparrow would be even easier to shoot down, wouldn't it? In that case, it should be alright to make sea sparrows for cop use only since they can be shot down easily by wanted suspects. In the meantime, civilians can choose to use any helicopter to run away, since there's a suitable sea sparrow to stop them.
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It wouldn't be that easy, if the hunter pilot's full intention of coming by was to kill you. And besides, what if you don't have the M60?
Well, ok, let's say the hunter was really that easy to take down. If the hunter was that easy to take down, then the sea sparrow would be even easier to shoot down, wouldn't it? In that case, it should be alright to make sea sparrows for cop use only since they can be shot down easily by wanted suspects. In the meantime, civilians can choose to use any helicopter to run away, since there's a suitable sea sparrow to stop them.
But still, one of the attack hellis should be for law only, cause I already found situations where both choppers were taken by wanted guys.
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Well, what I was trying to say is, that the hunter should be for military use only. Cops and civilians should get kicked out like civilians trying to get in cop cars.
But this discussion was about the sea sparrow. Since the sea sparrow has a helicannon in it, it should be for cop use only. Since when in real life would you see a civilian flying a helicopter which has a machine gun fitted into it and is handled by helicopter controls? It also makes helicopter running suspects less annoying since there are good ways to go against it.
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Don't agree, the sea sparrow it's a civil chopper, civilians should be able to use it.
Cops would have a too big advantage if only they could have seasparrows.
SWAT-->Hunter
civilians-->seasparrow
I think this is balanced enough.
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The hunter is a military aircraft, not a SWAT machine.
Civilian helicopters shouldn't ever need a weapon. Most people who use helicopters are to either run away as a suspect, or to get to a place more quickly. If a new player gets into the sea sparrow, their 1st thought would most likely to be using it as a deathmatching instrument.
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The hunter is a military aircraft, not a SWAT machine.
Civilian helicopters shouldn't ever need a weapon. Most people who use helicopters are to either run away as a suspect, or to get to a place more quickly. If a new player gets into the sea sparrow, their 1st thought would most likely to be using it as a deathmatching instrument.
Well I think the hunter should be for SWAT and cop use only but citizens should be able to use the sea sparrow.
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Hunter definately cannot be for all people's use, since most new players would just use the hunter as a dming instrument rather than to actually roleplay with it.
The main discussion is on the sea sparrow. If only the police maverick had helicannons like the sea sparrow. But the hunter is a military aircraft, so I'm not sure if it's realistic to have it as a SWAT machine.
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Since we don't have Army, SWAT has to use it.
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Most death matchers don't even know about the where abouts of the sea sparrow.Anyway if SWAT can only use the hunter then it can always be there to take out the sea sparrow(or just use an m60)
So whats the problem with citizens being able to use it?
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Since we don't have Army, SWAT has to use it.
Army skin will by added soon, wouldn't it?
Also, have you seen a normal civilian in real life, flying a helicopter which has a machine gun built in, capable of killing many innocents?
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Also, have you seen a normal civilian in real life, flying a helicopter which has a machine gun built in, capable of killing many innocents?
very unlikely situation even for an organized terrorist group
but its not possible to stamp VCPD or SWAT on it. So maybe we can just paint it black for law use
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very unlikely situation even for an organized terrorist group
but its not possible to stamp VCPD or SWAT on it. So maybe we can just paint it black for law use
No. The sea sparrow should be for citizen use. Its not used for death matching maybe your wanted and want to use it to take out the hunter which is about to kill you. And you could easly find a citizen with a helicoptor with a machine gun fiitted onto it. Its not hard to fit a machine gun on to thier heli not that they wouldnt be arrested for it. Its fair having one attack heli for the SWAT or Army and have the other one for citizens which they could use.
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Its not hard to fit a machine gun on to thier heli not that they wouldnt be arrested for it.
How's it easy, lol. You try fitting a machine gun which is controlled by the helicopter controls and also has autoaim abilities in your helicopter.
The hunter is a military aircraft, hence it should be strictly only for military use. Even cops or SWAT shouldn't have access to it. The only reason at the moment that it's ok for them, is that the military skin doesn't exist in the game yet.
You know, most of the time, suspects spend their time running away rather than attacking the cops. That's why they always use the helicopters to run away. If cops had access to anti-helicopter weapons, then helicopter running wouldn't have to be restrained. However, if civilians have the helicopter which has weapons, it would just make helicopter running suspects even harder to catch than what they are now.
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You know, most of the time, suspects spend their time running away rather than attacking the cops. That's why they always use the helicopters to run away.
Believe me suspects do not run away they attack, well I do anyway. And ive never seen a suspect who gets into a chopper just to hover over vice city for an hour.
However, if civilians have the helicopter which has weapons, it would just make helicopter running suspects even harder to catch than what they are now.
Its not hard to shoot down a sea sparrow. Ive done it many times.
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And ive never seen a suspect who gets into a chopper just to hover over vice city for an hour.
I have in San Andreas, and they even laugh at you if you can't catch them while they're flying at 125mph at 1KM above ground.
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I have in San Andreas, and they even laugh at you if you can't catch them while they're flying at 125mph at 1KM above ground.
If you haven't noticed this is VCMP not SAMP. Ive never seen someone running away and laughing while in a sea sparrow. I mean whats the fun of that. They'll proberly get bored after 5 minutes when they've noticed the cops are just ignoring them. Your drving a sea sparrow which has a gun on it. You would not use it to run away, you would use it to fight back against the cops. Then get shot down by ever a hunter or an m60.
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I have in San Andreas, and they even laugh at you if you can't catch them while they're flying at 125mph at 1KM above ground.
He's right trobby, in VC most criminals go after cops when they get bored of waiting.
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By the way, I thought this was a roleplaying server. Seeing a machine gun fitted with a machine gun controlled by helicopter controls which is available to all citizens...It's totally non-RP.
He's right trobby, in VC most criminals go after cops when they get bored of waiting.
In MTA, the maxinum height you could go is only like 100m. It gets boring since you cannot fly high, and there are possibilities of getting shot because of limited height. In VCMP, on the other hand, people could fly as high as they could in SAMP. There's the hunter, but since it should be for military use only later on, let's try taking a helicopter running suspects without that hunter nor the sea sparrow.
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trobby, you think to much as a cop.
What if there is a rival gang meeting going on and we want to wipe them all?
or if the cops are after you with a hunter.
Plus, having SWAT seasparrows would make every oficer use them to kill criminals faster, it would be abused.
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PMP, how come you haven't noticed by now I said the hunter should be neither for cops, including the SWAT, nor the civilians? I said that the hunter should be only for military use, and that other skins will be kicked out if they use it.
I wouldn't see how the sea sparrow would make an advantage as serious as how you describe it. It's "easily" shot down, as others have described. All it really does is make helicopter running suspects easier to catch.
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PMP, how come you haven't noticed by now I said the hunter should be neither for cops, including the SWAT, nor the civilians? I said that the hunter should be only for military use, and that other skins will be kicked out if they use it.
I wouldn't see how the sea sparrow would make an advantage as serious as how you describe it. It's "easily" shot down, as others have described. All it really does is make helicopter running suspects easier to catch.
What I mean its only easily shot down if your SWAT and have an m60. I mean whats the point of an Army skin. So you can get in a hunter and kill suspects with a heli cannon? Thats just the most cheapest way to kill suspects plus its boring and doesn't use any RP at all.
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Lets ban all attacking helis then, since people don't know how to RP in it.
Plus, army skin keeps getting bugged that why there isn't army skin.
I wouldn't see how the sea sparrow would make an advantage as serious as how you describe it. It's "easily" shot down, as others have described. All it really does is make helicopter running suspects easier to catch.
yeah, but how many criminal skins have m60?
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Lets ban all attacking helis then, since people don't know how to RP in it.
No you can't do that. Just have the hunter for SWAT to use and the sea sparrow for anyone to use. Leave it as that.
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No you can't do that. Just have the hunter for SWAT to use and the sea sparrow for anyone to use. Leave it as that.
yeah, i totally agree with that.
Plus if SWAT uses the rockets on you they wont get money so it is just fine.
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Military skins were designed for only catching high level skin suspects, just like in real life. I wonder why that's not in any way Rp'ing?
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Military skins were designed for only catching high level skin suspects, just like in real life. I wonder why that's not in any way Rp'ing?
No1 said that, and when I'm SWAT, I only catch already wanted suspects, unless they are shooting me.
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Military skins were designed for only catching high level skin suspects, just like in real life. I wonder why that's not in any way Rp'ing?
The Military is way to busy in Iraq for them to bother with a guy who robbed a bank and has killed 5 people.
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The Military is way to busy in Iraq for them to bother with a guy who robbed a bank and has killed 5 people.
AHAHAH, best reply ever in VC:MP :lol:
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Omg, you guys seriously have no sense of roleplaying. You're thinking that a miltary aircraft should just be a cop helicopter, and at the same time, think it's alright that a civilian skin can just go around shooting with an attack helicopter.
The Military is way to busy in Iraq for them to bother with a guy who robbed a bank and has killed 5 people.
Dude, you really think that a person who killed 5 SWAT guys and then got away from them should not be dealt by the military force? You really think a military force doing bullshit in iraq should just forget about the chaos and the loss of law and order which cannot be handled by the SWAT group and just let the country be killed by the rebellions? FFS, have some common sense, will you?
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Dude, you really think that a person who killed 5 SWAT guys and then got away from them should not be dealt by the military force? You really think a military force doing bullshit in iraq should just forget about the chaos and the loss of law and order which cannot be handled by the SWAT group and just let the country be killed by the rebellions? FFS, have some common sense, will you?
Then what happend to the FBI or the CIA?? There is really no point of making a whole new skin just so you can use the hunter. Not everything has to be just like in RL. Whatever you do to it it'll always be a game.
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FBI and CIA are investigator dudes, they were never intended for fighting purposes like the SWAT guys. And no, if there are RP ideas which work out well in the game, we'd might as well add it. If not "everything" has to be just like RL, then why do SAMP players play exactly their character is in real life?
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err FBI is federal police so they also fight and a LOT, they are very different from CIA btw...
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Well, it doesn't matter what the FBI are. But what really matters is that it's not RP for a "super" military aircraft to be simply a cop helicopter. Neither is it RP for a civilian to be flying a helicopter which has a built in machine gun which has infinite ammo and can be used as a murdering weapon.
I really wouldn't understand why suspects want more advantages. If people haven't realized, in a chase, suspects already have the advantage of playing an easier role than the suspect. What that is, the suspect's role is just simply run from the cops. This can be done by running or killing the cops. Their task is simple. Cops on the other hand, have a much harder role to play. When chasing a suspects, they're not just simply trying to keep up with them. They're trying to ram them and force them to stop, and then kill or jail them. This alone, is already a major advantage for the suspects. Having cars to run, is already an advantage, however, it is not an advantage which makes it impossible for cops to stop them. Cops can use strageties to stop a running car. And even then, if suspects abuse the foot running advantage (such as jumping), there's a 5 car rule to restrain this problem.
However, adding an attack helicopter will add the advantages to such an extent, roleplaying as a cop will become very irritating because of the advantage of the helicannon use and also the abuse of flying out of the city, or flying at very high altitutes to avoid ground attacks. Since the hunter is for military use only, as it should be, it is almost impossible to stop a helicopter running suspect. If sea sparrows are police helicopters, then a suspect running in a helicopter will not have a further advantage as they can be stopped by this helicannon.
Sea sparrows, though with the helicannon, cannot give the cops a further advantage. They are useless against a suspect hiding in an alleyway, or at an interior because their autoaimm, unlike the hunter, only works at very close ranges. But even then, the main reason is that they cannot find people to suspect.
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So, you want the seasparrow for SWAT and the Hunter for nobody?
BTW seasparrow has a M4 mounted, not an helicanon.
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If people haven't realized, in a chase, suspects already have the advantage of playing an easier role than the suspect.
huh? lol :lol:
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Jeezem! You must not play VCMP much because you haven't yet realised its very different from SAMP. People aren't sad enough to fly around in a helicoptor or as you call it 'helicopter running'. Its no fun. And since when did suspects have a higher advantage??? Cops have m60s and armour! And get it in your head that there is no military skin! And there never will be because as pimp said it gets bugged. If both attack helis are only for cop use then dmers will just use the cop skin to use it. Then you can't even sus them. What your gonna do then?
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huh? lol :lol:
Typo :lol: i meant easier role than cops.
So, you want the seasparrow for SWAT and the Hunter for nobody?
Ok, where did i say "nobody"? What ever happened to the part where it should be for military use only?
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As I said already, Military skin doesn't work, it has a bug.
The first thing you tipe on the chat is you message forever.
E.G.
You tipe "hello" on chat
You:hello
PMP:hello
You type "how are you doing?" on chat press enter and...
You:hello
PMP:Yes, i got it,hello you too.
You:hello
PMP:yes, HELLO YOU TOO!!!!
stupid bug.
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I disagree about that swat skin can use helis to kill suspects.
1. becouse its too easy to kill a suspect
2. swat already got strong weapons like m60
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I disagree about that swat skin can use helis to kill suspects.
1. becouse its too easy to kill a suspect
2. swat already got strong weapons like m60
Exactly. And I play as SWAT most of times.
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Then why do you keep mentioning that the SWAT should use the hunter? :roll:
I'd like to see how a helicopter officer can suspect someone without abuse while flying in the air, unable to directly see what's happening on the ground.
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Then why do you keep mentioning that the SWAT should use the hunter? :roll:
I'd like to see how a helicopter officer can suspect someone without abuse while flying in the air, unable to directly see what's happening on the ground.
I only said that Hunter should be restricted to civilians.
In fact, civilians who walk in the army base should get auto wanted.
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I only said that Hunter should be restricted to civilians.
In fact, civilians who walk in the army base should get auto wanted.
Yeah thats a good idea make Fort Baxter a restricted area.
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then it would be too easy to get suspected
"oh im going to fort baxter, wanna come?"
If you walk on fort baxter, the cops should get a report from a witness that Johnny Doe and Sarah Pooter broke into the army base
so that theres a multiplayer interaction with this
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only if they enter the hunter they should get wanted
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only if they enter the hunter they should get wanted
yeah, for stealing military aircraft.
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yeah, for stealing military aircraft.
Auto-wanted, or the rights for cops to suspect them? Getting into hunter does not solve the problem with people who are "wanna-b-wanted". People would just get in the hunter, not just walk into the base.
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if the sea sparrow is only for swat/cop use it will remain unused
coz all cops will prefer hunter over the sea sparrow
so in that case its better to remove sea sparrow from the server
i just noticed that around 80% criminals enjoy being chased by the hunter
the problem is with the rest 20% who wish to fight and kill as many cops as possible(thinking it as sportsmanship)
when they r killed by a hunter they usually get pissed off
so a idea could be spawn all helis on lower hp(the min. value that it doesnt starts emitting smoke) around 40 to 50
and remove sea sparrow from the server and remove the controversy with it :)
so it will be easier for the criminals to destroy a heli, and both 80% and 20% are satisfied
also in real life heli are more sensitive than cars
a touch on a building and BOOM!
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A helicopter with only 40-50hp would be appeared as a smoking vehicle which would look rather silly. There wouldn't be any meaning in just simply reducing the HP level of the hunter.
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A helicopter with only 40-50hp would be appeared as a smoking vehicle which would look rather silly. There wouldn't be any meaning in just simply reducing the HP level of the hunter.
60hp wouldn't be smoking.
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Well it doesn't really affect the way the player uses the hunter. It just makes them go back to the spawn place to get the hunter again. So I don't see any point in making it with less HP.
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Well it doesn't really affect the way the player uses the hunter. It just makes them go back to the spawn place to get the hunter again. So I don't see any point in making it with less HP.
It balances the advantage.