I think freecops should have a limitation on what vehicles they can use to chase a suspect.
I think freecops should have a limitation on what vehicles they can use to chase a suspect.
I believe LCPD, NOOSE, FBI and TRU already have somewhat similar systems in place (possibly a lot more complex, or more limited, in the case of LCPD members) in regards to which vehicles should be used in chases. So why not freecops too?
Lets not start the "you can not fart unless you type /me had beans" shit on IV:MP...
Cops should try to act as cops which means they will by nature of their role drive a cop car. If their car gets damaged, should they take a bus back to the PD to get another one and let the cirminals run ? No way. In pursuit cops can change to any car they find, the faster the better...
And BTW... if its not there put the Enforcer in. It is fast and strong so really useful to block oncoming traffic...
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.But I don't think an intuitive "Fast, Average and Heavy" system is complex. 3 is the magical number, and I think the key words are pretty much perfect.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.What is creative about getting the fastest car in the game, to chase the average mommy car?
Some of you will also complain - wah wah wah, suspect has a Patriot! Nobody can stop him! Well that's just life."wah wah wah, police officer has an Infernus! Nobody can stop him! Well that's just life."
well if you wanna make the names anonymous then pls add /gps player. Otherwise you wont even know where your pal is or any other player you wanna meet up withWhat? They're just anonymous in the poll. Anonymous voting, not anonymous in-game lol.
I think this idea is great as it would provide fairness to pursuits and it would seem simple to follow but if you go into details, it would appear more complicated than you expect. There's just too many "if its this its this and this not this" hence I agree with Senate. Plus I don't think this is really necessary as you said it yourself "a skilled player that can get away with an average vehicle SHOULD be able to get away" and there are many instances where they DO get away even when they're being chased by sports cars. So it's basically not about the speed of the vehicles but the player's ability to maneuver their vehicles at their advantage. "Again I doubt this is hard to explain to officers, especially since the officers that seem to take full advantage of faster vehicles against much slower vehicles, or heavy vehicles against average vehicles, etc, are already players quite familiar with the server. Most new freecops use police patrols or cruisers, because sirens yo. And also because it makes sense.
And in reply to your statement"wah wah wah, police officer has an Infernus! Nobody can stop him! Well that's just life."But like I said, the suspect is usually outnumbered, and the police has carjacking and cop passenger script as an advantage (if a suspect make a run for it and gets in a car that is nearby they can still be carjacked 5~10 meters in distance and not be considered speedjack because it's not fast enough, but nobody likes to admit that's a great advantage for the police side.
I drove the State Blista's around for 1-2 months before i bought my RS, evading against cops in Comet or Infernus was fun.Every player should have a fair chance of evading - you might be pretty good with a Blista (mind you the Blista has pretty decent mid-rpm acceleration, kinda like a VTEC engine would have irl), but there are many other vehicles and different players on different skill levels. If you really get bored evading with a Blista and find it too easy, you can always step up and select other slower vehicles. Because a great driver can increase their 'difficulty' setting by purposely choosing a slower car. A mid-range driver is doomed with the vehicle discrepancy issue that this thread is all about. So if a suspect is really terrible at driving he still won't have a good chance of evading and will probably get caught or end up dead in a few minutes - but hey that's fair enough, because he's simply not experienced enough to evade successfully.
If you make the cops drive slower cars then the skilled drivers are going to get bored.
SA:MP doesnt allow police officers to use civilian vehicles for duty. I fail to understand whats the problem with implementing the same rule in IVMPYou simply cannot compared SA:MP and IV:MP. Both are from the same community but we are VERY different.
SA:MP doesnt allow police officers to use civilian vehicles for duty. I fail to understand whats the problem with implementing the same rule in IVMPYeah, this would probably work fine if the sync was as good as SA:MP. Sadly there is no vehicle damage, no Z-axis when shooting on foot (which means you can't shoot up or down, always forward), drive by shooting is useless, melee doesn't work 80% of the time, and when it does it's awful, etc.
Also gotta be another problem is to care about all the cops who simply dont give a damn, and often some freecops dont really love to follow such rules , especially with no staff online.
Personally, i dont think a cop should be allowed to use any other vehicle than a police vehicle and if they dont have one or are in another vehicle and a pursuit happens then they should stay 10-8 and carry on doing what they're doing because when theres sultans and sports cars chasing a suspect with a few police cars in the mix it looks really unprofessional.
And what about the police helicopter?For this idea, the Police helicopter wouldn't suffer any changes, so yes its allowed.
Due to being unable to ram the suspect with it, would it be allowed to chase all vehicles?
This may be a little complicated rule, if a suspect swaps vehicles mid-chase to another category vehicle, technically all cops are suddenly breaking this new idea rule, and the car swap for the LCPD wins the suspect tremendous time and distance barrier from the law enforcement units. Also it may take a bunch of time explaining this to the cops that are new , or unaware of the rule. In theory I would support this rule if it was a little simplier.Like it says in the thread, if a suspect swaps vehicles mid-chase the police can keep chasing after him until they find a decent opportunity to switch vehicle as well. If the vehicle they are using has a huge advantage over the vehicle the suspect just switched to, then they should tone down their aggressiveness for a while until they switch the vehicle. They don't have to switch to an LCPD car - they can still switch to any state car that is considered fit for the chase. It will be up to the criminal to pass by zones where there are decent state vehicles for the cops to switch to - otherwise the cops can and will stay with whatever car they are using.
Also gotta be another problem is to care about all the cops who simply dont give a damn, and often some freecops dont really love to follow such rules , especially with no staff online.
All the rules should be kept as simple as possible, basically to be be understood by everybody. This idea is quite interesting , but really complicated and possibly hard to implement and to make people follow it.
Though in my opinion I think that whatever car a suspect drives, it should be his own problem , if a cop is driving a much quicker vehicle.
Nobody asked you to be a criminal at first place :rofl:
Well yoy also need more cars for the cops as there aint enough sometimesCops can still chase suspects with state vehicles. There won't be any lack of vehicles, there's plenty of state vehicles everywhere.
simplyUNSUPPORTEDThanks for your nice argument. Couldn't agree more. yes, it's sarcasm
For this idea, the Police helicopter wouldn't suffer any changes, so yes its allowed.
Like it says in the thread, if a suspect swaps vehicles mid-chase the police can keep chasing after him until they find a decent opportunity to switch vehicle as well. If the vehicle they are using has a huge advantage over the vehicle the suspect just switched to, then they should tone down their aggressiveness for a while until they switch the vehicle. They don't have to switch to an LCPD car - they can still switch to any state car that is considered fit for the chase. It will be up to the criminal to pass by zones where there are decent state vehicles for the cops to switch to - otherwise the cops can and will stay with whatever car they are using.
Remember there is no hard-defined list of which category a certain vehicle belongs to, so some small tolerance would be allowed, this is especially good for vehicles that are between average and fast, average and heavy, even heavy and fast. Just don't go pick some ridiculous shit like a Comet chasing after a Stallion.
Regarding the rules - it's pretty simple. Administrators just have to do their job and enforce it, as long as they are not lazy bums people will straighten out.
In the first week or two it might take a while because people will not be familiar with it, but that is all it takes. This whole "complex" rules bullshit is stupid, because there are all sorts of complex rules and laws already in the server and I'm not seeing these being removed. This wouldn't be any harder, just in the beginning days of its implementation where people still don't know about it.
Like I said before and I will say it again, most cops that "abuse" this are cops that are already quite familiar with the server - in other words - regular players that KNOW what they are doing. Which means they should have absolutely NO problem following these new rules if they get implemented - and like Kerrar said, a screenshot would be enough to prove the point. Couple warnings, couple kicks, temporary copbans, and everyone will learn to follow these rules.
Cops can still chase suspects with state vehicles. There won't be any lack of vehicles, there's plenty of state vehicles everywhere.
Remember that freecops still need to know how to use the megaphone, how to properly pull over people, be able to distinguish what is a law break and what is a rule break, etc.
I don't see people complaining about that being too complicated... it's definitely harder than a 3 vehicle category system.
Thanks for your nice argument. Couldn't agree more. yes, it's sarcasm