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Title: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 24, 2017, 09:44:48 pm
This list is mainly for SA:MP gangs and mafias, but if VC:MP or IV:MP groups want to be included, if I missed anything or if anything changes between groups:
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[b]Name
[color=green]Allies
  -[/color][/b]
[color=green]Friends
  -[/color]
[color=orange]Neutral
  -[/color]
[color=red]Enemies
  -[/color]

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Ancelotti
Allies

Friends
  -Luciano
Neutral
Enemies
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
Angels of Death
Allies
  -Highway Runners
  -Nomads of Carson

Friends
Neutral
  -Gvardia
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Araatus
Allies
  -Gvardia

Friends
  -Highway Runners
Neutral
Enemies
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
ARPD
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD
  -The Collin Family

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Communism
  -Crime
  -Drugs
--------------------------------------------
A$AP Mob
Allies

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
Barabe
Allies

Friends
  -Nomads of Carson
Neutral
Enemies
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
The Collin Family
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD

Friends
  -Gvardia
Neutral
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Corleone
Allies
  -Kraskov
  -Rock Street Killaz
  -SIC

Friends
  -Soprano
Neutral
  -Highway Runners
  -Gvardia
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Fischetti
Allies
  -SIC
  -Ninth Avenue Razors

Friends
Neutral
  -Eight Avenue Furies
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Gambino
Allies

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Kraskov
--------------------------------------------
Grove Street Families
Allies
  -Vagos

Friends
  -Highway Runners
  -Nomads of Carson
Neutral
Enemies
  -Soprano
  -Sumiyoshi-kai
--------------------------------------------
Gvardia
Allies
  -Araatus
  -Luciano
  -Sicilian

Friends
  -Nomads of Carson
Neutral
  -Angels of Death
  -National Ballas Association
  -Sforza
  -Corleone
Enemies
  -Interpoli
  -Kraskov
  -Sauvage
  -SIC
  -Soprano
  -Sumiyoshi-kai
  -Svensson
--------------------------------------------
Highway Runners
Allies
  -Angels of Death
  -Gvardia
  -Nomads of Carson

Friends
  -Araatus
  -Grove Street Families
Neutral
  -Corleone
  -Luciano
  -National Ballas Association
Enemies
  -Interpoli
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
Interpoli
Allies
  -Sforza
  -Soprano
  -Trapani

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Gvardia
  -Highway Runners
  -Luciano
--------------------------------------------
Kraskov
Allies
  -Corleone
  -Sforza

Friends
Neutral
  -Scotto
Enemies
  -Gambino
  -Gvardia
  -Luciano
--------------------------------------------
Luciano
Allies
  -Gvardia

Friends
  -Ancelotti
Neutral
  -Highway Runners
Enemies
  -Interpoli
  -Kraskov
  -Sauvage
  -SIC
  -Soprano
--------------------------------------------
National Ballas Association
Allies

Friends
  -Soprano
Neutral
  -Gvardia
  -Highway Runners
Enemies
  -Vagos
--------------------------------------------
Nomads of Carson
Allies
  -Angels of Death
  -Highway Runners

Friends
  -Barabe
  -Grove Street Families
  -Gvardia
  -Svensson
Neutral
  -Soprano
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Rock Street Killaz
Allies
  -Corleone
  -Sforza
  -Soprano

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Sauvage
Allies
  -Soprano

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Gvardia
  -Luciano
--------------------------------------------
Scotto
Allies
  -Vegas

Friends
Neutral
  -Kraskov
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Sforza
Allies
  -Corleone
  -Interpoli
  -Kraskov
  -Rock Street Killaz
  -SIC

Friends
  -Soprano
Neutral
  -Gvardia
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
SIC
Allies
  -Corleone
  -Sforza
  -Fischetti

Friends
  -Soprano
  -Trapani
  -Kraskov
Neutral
Enemies
  -Gvardia
  -Luciano
--------------------------------------------
Sicilian
Allies
  -Gvardia

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Soprano
Allies
  -Interpoli
  -Rock Street Killaz
  -Sauvage
  -SIC

Friends
  -Corleone
  -National Ballas Association
  -Sforza
Neutral
  -Nomads of Carson
Enemies
  -Ancelotti 
  -Araatus
  -A$AP Mob
  -Barabe
  -Grove Street Families
  -Gvardia
  -Highway Runners
  -Luciano
--------------------------------------------
Svensson
Allies
  -Vegas

Friends
  -Nomads of Carson
Neutral
Enemies
  -Crows, people who sell potatoes cheaper than us, people who drive their vehicles over our fields
  -Gvardia
--------------------------------------------
Sumiyoshi-kai
Allies

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -Grove Street Families
  -Gvardia
--------------------------------------------
Trapani
Allies
  -Interpoli

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Vagos
Allies
  -Grove Street Families

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
  -National Ballas Association
--------------------------------------------
Vegas
Allies
  -Scotto
  -Svensson

Friends
Neutral
Enemies
--------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Roman on August 24, 2017, 09:53:15 pm
Good one. I will consult with my staff and post by the end of next week with our decisions.

Thanks,
Collin Leadership.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Legolas on August 24, 2017, 10:07:50 pm
All these gangs and mafias are active ?
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Lincoln. on August 24, 2017, 10:40:30 pm
Great idea! This was needed!
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Astaroth on August 24, 2017, 10:57:23 pm
max!!!
Great topic but mostly happy to see ur raving ass alive today!
:D
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: James on August 25, 2017, 12:13:49 am
put everyone enemy for nba, ty

sincerly,
shot caller 2k18
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Volcom on August 25, 2017, 01:58:46 am
 :dead: remove outlaw riders, group is closed for now
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: sausage on August 25, 2017, 02:09:01 am
whats the point lol
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 25, 2017, 03:42:34 am
All these gangs and mafias are active ?

I started off by copying the relations from the most notable groups, I'll get rid of the inactive ones and add active ones eventually.

whats the point lol

Clarity. Group relations are vague, interconnected and ever changing. This is just a tool for analysing the current dynamic.
Some mafias list their group relations and some don't, but the ones that don't can still have a stake in the alliances. It's just a quick reference.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Max_Crawford on August 25, 2017, 10:08:00 am
cant see el rasta gringos on the list
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Thomas_A on August 26, 2017, 08:59:51 am
I started off by copying the relations from the most notable groups, I'll get rid of the inactive ones and add active ones eventually.

Clarity. Group relations are vague, interconnected and ever changing. This is just a tool for analysing the current dynamic.
Some mafias list their group relations and some don't, but the ones that don't can still have a stake in the alliances. It's just a quick reference.

Actual mafia wouldnt really reveal their relations and rather keep it as a secret than post it on forums and advertise it like an ice cream. Really dont get the point of this either. This will be making it obvious now, If certain groups write down whos their allies here, they'll problaly get DMed ingame for it. Is that the clarity you're looking for ? Who's in war with whom? I'd suggest you to join the server, get front row seat for all of that.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Whiteman on August 26, 2017, 11:08:00 am
Actual mafia wouldnt really reveal their relations and rather keep it as a secret than post it on forums and advertise it like an ice cream. Really dont get the point of this either. This will be making it obvious now, If certain groups write down whos their allies here, they'll problaly get DMed ingame for it. Is that the clarity you're looking for ? Who's in war with whom? I'd suggest you to join the server, get front row seat for all of that.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 26, 2017, 01:52:45 pm
Actual mafia wouldnt really reveal their relations and rather keep it as a secret than post it on forums and advertise it like an ice cream. Really dont get the point of this either. This will be making it obvious now, If certain groups write down whos their allies here, they'll problaly get DMed ingame for it. Is that the clarity you're looking for ? Who's in war with whom? I'd suggest you to join the server, get front row seat for all of that.

Actual mafia wouldn't recruit on a forum, it's ooc. My front row seat experience was a confusing mess of relations that made making friends/ avoiding enemies difficult. I also don't know the point of posting relations on your group topic, if you're not gonna update it when groups close or relations change.
If all mafias hid their relations I wouldn't make this topic. I wouldn't have made this topic a few years ago, but with the new script based, gangwar centered server, this kinda becomes necessary. Finally I only list relations that groups want revealed, I'm not gonna fill it in for them. Nor will I make one group an enemy of another, just because the other lists them as enemy. It's either looking through each topic for individual relations or this topic for all relations.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 26, 2017, 02:09:33 pm
you feel free to remove GSF and Barabe from the list.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Plenty2x on August 26, 2017, 02:16:53 pm
Actually, That is Soprano's vcmp list which is still not updated, however in SA:MP Division sopranos got more allies & friends If i'm sure.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: paradox_dz on August 26, 2017, 02:31:01 pm
Good idea
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Legolas on August 26, 2017, 02:31:32 pm
Actual mafia wouldn't recruit on a forum, it's ooc.

Some parts of forum are made for IC RP...
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 26, 2017, 02:33:51 pm
Some parts of forum are made for IC RP...

you are telling me forum applications for criminal groups are roleplay?
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Legolas on August 26, 2017, 02:40:31 pm
you are telling me forum applications for criminal groups are roleplay?
First of all, i don't remember if any true mafia had applications. But if you show on such topic, you're proper mafia RP...I'm fine with that.

Edit:
Showing you're proper RP can be advertising... also its a hidden message "we need people like that... contact us"
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Pete on August 26, 2017, 02:50:05 pm
If mafias topics were RP IC related, 90% of them would be sued, behind bars with all the  :weed:. On the topic, it's a nice idea Dutchy, people that are new and are close to one mafia may not have any idea from who to be careful and with whom to be friendly  :gand:
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 26, 2017, 03:00:40 pm
that is all bullshit tbh. i used to use applications for GSF but only to get a clear picture on who wants to join. that had nothing to do with 'ic' or the rp between the person who wanted to join and the group.

as for this topic, it is just pointless. instead of encouraging people to roleplay you request something like this to be stickied

If mafias topics were RP IC related, 90% of them would be sued, behind bars with all the  :weed:. On the topic, it's a nice idea Dutchy, people that are new and are close to one mafia may not have any idea from who to be careful and with whom to be friendly  :gand:

yep.  have them checking forums instead of actually roleplaying to find out something they need in roleplay  :app:
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Legolas on August 26, 2017, 03:09:02 pm
that is all bullshit tbh. i used to use applications for GSF but only to get a clear picture on who wants to join. that had nothing to do with 'ic' or the rp between the person who wanted to join and the group.

I agree on that. Lately i seen application with 500 words story. In old times R* used to invite people to clan (lets say unexpected invite). But i think this conversation is good for another topic. Lets not spam this area.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 27, 2017, 09:09:12 pm
Actually, That is Soprano's vcmp list which is still not updated, however in SA:MP Division sopranos got more allies & friends If i'm sure.

No need to exclude other servers, but I'll drop them for now, please post the updated list when it's ready.

Some parts of forum are made for IC RP...

I suppose this doesn't belong here, but since it's related to groups I don't know a better place for it.

yep.  have them checking forums instead of actually roleplaying to find out something they need in roleplay 

Well, I wouldn't post this topic if roleplay made group relations clear enough.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 27, 2017, 09:12:01 pm
Well, I wouldn't post this topic if roleplay made group relations clear enough.

Then you need a roleplay guide not group relations one
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Kacper_Gorski on August 27, 2017, 09:13:27 pm
Actually, That is Soprano's vcmp list which is still not updated, however in SA:MP Division sopranos got more allies & friends If i'm sure.
yaaa, course we do :D
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 27, 2017, 09:15:07 pm
Then you need a roleplay guide not group relations one

What's with the antagonism? I got here through figuring out the group relations by roleplay, I'm being sympathetic to newer players.

put everyone enemy for nba, ty sincerly,shot caller 2k18
Svensson; Enemies with everyone. Pls add!  :D

sure.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Mr. Goobii on August 27, 2017, 09:17:48 pm
Svensson;
Enemies with everyone. Pls add!  :D
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 27, 2017, 09:25:02 pm
What's with the antagonism? I got here through figuring out the group relations by roleplay, I'm being sympathetic to newer players.

Then help them learn to roleplay instead of making it easier for them not to roleplay.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 27, 2017, 09:31:45 pm
Then help them learn to roleplay instead of making it easier for them not to roleplay.

The worst this could do is make it easier to understand already existing conflicts. I don't see how that prevents roleplay.
Just leave it.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 27, 2017, 09:39:43 pm
The worst this could do is make it easier to understand already existing conflicts. I don't see how that prevents roleplay.
Just leave it.

oh i will, as soon as you remove GSF and Barabe from every list.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: TruthSvensson on August 27, 2017, 09:47:54 pm
Svensson;
Enemies with everyone. Pls add!  :D

Svensson enemies: Crows, people who sell potatoes cheaper than us, people who drive their vehicles over our fields  :cowboy:
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Roman on August 27, 2017, 10:14:11 pm
The Collin Family
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD
Friends
  -Gvardia
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -n/a
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Lincoln. on August 27, 2017, 11:06:17 pm
The Collin Family
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD
Friends
  -Gvardia
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -n/a

Ok we are enemies now.  :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:

:lol:
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Kacper_Gorski on August 27, 2017, 11:21:43 pm
The Collin Family
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD
Friends
  -Gvardia
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -n/a
how can you be allied with sapd + fbi? lol
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 27, 2017, 11:24:34 pm
how can you be allied with sapd + fbi? lol

I guess it's a way of saying they're not a criminal organisation... But I also don't know how being enemies with crows works, so.. meh.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Reasy on August 27, 2017, 11:46:52 pm
Good useful topic, Dutchy.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: sausage on August 28, 2017, 12:50:53 am
add san news and ally everyone plase
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: TruthSvensson on August 28, 2017, 01:30:08 am
I guess it's a way of saying they're not a criminal organisation... But I also don't know how being enemies with crows works, so.. meh.

they eat our crops
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: AK47 on August 28, 2017, 01:53:29 am
they eat our crops

Vicious animals!
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Billyy on August 28, 2017, 04:34:32 am
The Collin Family
Allies
  -FBI
  -SAPD
Friends
  -Gvardia
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -n/a

allies = all law enforcement organizations
friends = a recognized criminal organization

alrighty then
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 28, 2017, 12:39:19 pm
allies = all law enforcement organizations
friends = a recognized criminal organization

alrighty then

Neutrality :P
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Andeey on August 28, 2017, 12:57:22 pm
It is quite disgusting to see people hating on somebody trying to help newer players and groups to the server and to just provide quality information to the community.

Some of saying "oh they should find out their allies and enemies ingame in RP"
To some extent i agree here but.. How can they be expected to do so when everybody is enemies with eachother and thinking any new group is made to trick them into allying with their "UC" enemies..

Some of you need to remember that Argonath is not a Strict/Heavy roleplay server, Such topics like this are useful to some, If you don't wish to part take in such a topic then don't list your relations with other groups on your topics and bugger off, Your useless negativity and hate is not needed.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Vaeldious on August 28, 2017, 01:08:11 pm
Your useless negativity and hate is not needed.

Except for crows.

Fuck crows.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: AK47 on August 28, 2017, 01:17:54 pm
Except for crows.

Fuck crows.

Satan birdified

(http://i.imgur.com/ubvVJJV.jpg)
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dutchy on August 28, 2017, 01:39:43 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4agH0npS1yM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hLgHyjfw-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGMS7ojUYmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCTudHI1LQ
ok enough
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Stivi on August 28, 2017, 03:30:44 pm
It is quite disgusting to see people hating on somebody trying to help newer players and groups to the server and to just provide quality information to the community.
But that's why some groups have them at the first post. This topic is, in fact, pointless, I'm not saying he did a bad job doing this, I just don't see the point of it, do you?
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Roman on August 28, 2017, 03:40:45 pm
how can you be allied with sapd + fbi? lol

Magic

allies = all law enforcement organizations
friends = a recognized criminal organization

alrighty then

Shh
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Dennis. on August 28, 2017, 04:04:23 pm
Name Soprano
Allies
  -
Friends
  -Corleone
  -Sforza
  -NBA
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -Luciano
  -HR
  -GSF
  -Gvardia
  -Barabe
  -A$AP Mob
  -Araatus
  -Ancelotti





Awesome topic Dutchy!
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Roman on August 28, 2017, 04:08:33 pm
Name Soprano
Allies
  -
Friends
  -Corleone
  -Sforza
  -Trapani
  -Moretti
  -NBA
Neutral
  -Everyone else
Enemies
  -Luciano
  -HR
  -GSF
  -Gvardia
  -Barabe
  -A$AP Mob
  -Araatus
  -Ancelotti





Awesome topic Dutchy!

No need to try and start a fight with a joke - Andeey

Sorry :( - Roman
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: Cyd Parker on August 28, 2017, 05:16:51 pm
I'm glad you added Moretti, I'll be posting my group relations list in few days.,.
Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: jovanca on August 28, 2017, 05:54:09 pm
It is quite disgusting to see people hating on somebody trying to help newer players and groups to the server and to just provide quality information to the community.

Some of saying "oh they should find out their allies and enemies ingame in RP"
To some extent i agree here but.. How can they be expected to do so when everybody is enemies with eachother and thinking any new group is made to trick them into allying with their "UC" enemies..

Some of you need to remember that Argonath is not a Strict/Heavy roleplay server, Such topics like this are useful to some, If you don't wish to part take in such a topic then don't list your relations with other groups on your topics and bugger off, Your useless negativity and hate is not needed.

What about 10 other groups who already listed my groups as enemies/allies?

I'm not sure exactly what you consider 'quality information' or 'helping newer players', but if a new player wanted to know certain group's allies they could simply check the group topic.

Title: Re: Group Relations
Post by: CharlieKasper on August 28, 2017, 05:57:45 pm
Actual mafia wouldnt really reveal their relations and rather keep it as a secret than post it on forums and advertise it like an ice cream. Really dont get the point of this either. This will be making it obvious now, If certain groups write down whos their allies here, they'll problaly get DMed ingame for it. Is that the clarity you're looking for ? Who's in war with whom? I'd suggest you to join the server, get front row seat for all of that.
Thankfully though, there are no actual mafias here.
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