[16:47:03] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: COPS!!
[16:47:07] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:11] [Gvardia] Huang_Bao(33): {FFFFFF}cops
[16:47:13] David_Knight(39) says: Hi
[16:47:13] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:17] David_Knight(39) says: We don't want a shootout
[16:47:36] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: I said stop moving!!
[16:47:37] David_Knight(39) says: ok no rp then
I asked Djole to assist me in checking the situation outside if there is any police around. Both of us exited, we noticed 2 freecops close to the casino. We went towards them and asked them to leave the area. They didn't, they told us to surrender and we exchanged fires there. It ended up with both freecops being killed by me and Djole and we both went back inside the casino
This is where you made a mistake. As a criminal, your goal would be to escape from the cops. "Leave or get shot" is Deathmatching same as "Stop or we shoot". Now, I haven't read the full topic as I'm just leaving from work(Will get to it once I'm home), but from what I've read so far you brought yourself to the situation. Calling in allies to scout for cops, arming up and getting ready for a shootout, what this describes is the everyday Cops & Robbers mentality which is a really poor excuse for "Roleplay".
You were inside the casino, you realized you were suspected. Think logically, there's a Gvardia suspect with a gathering of Gvardias and Allies in the 4 Dragons. Cops see that, first thing they'll do is go and check out if you are there. You stayed, you encouraged people to scout for you and mentally prepared for the shootout instead of leaving and laying low until you escape.
You do deserve some sort of punishment though. If not for going out of the casino and shooting people(This may not have been DM), but for the two freecops you went up to and killed.
This is where you made a mistake. As a criminal, your goal would be to escape from the cops. "Leave or get shot" is Deathmatching same as "Stop or we shoot". Now, I haven't read the full topic as I'm just leaving from work(Will get to it once I'm home), but from what I've read so far you brought yourself to the situation. Calling in allies to scout for cops, arming up and getting ready for a shootout, what this describes is the everyday Cops & Robbers mentality which is a really poor excuse for "Roleplay".
You were inside the casino, you realized you were suspected. Think logically, there's a Gvardia suspect with a gathering of Gvardias and Allies in the 4 Dragons. Cops see that, first thing they'll do is go and check out if you are there. You stayed, you encouraged people to scout for you and mentally prepared for the shootout instead of leaving and laying low until you escape.
You do deserve some sort of punishment though. If not for going out of the casino and shooting people(This may not have been DM), but for the two freecops you went up to and killed.
2. Are you allowed to help your suspected family member in a gunfight with the cops without any roleplaying? I mean no one really has time for any fancy /me's when there's bullets flying.
Yes, providing you were on scene before the encounter with the police begins and providing it is proper combat where the family member's life is at stake. What is not allowed is to arrive after the police have already engaged the suspect and assist in combat. But to be clear, if you and a wanted family member are already clearly together and the police arrive and potentially lethal combat ensues, you may assist the family member in combat. This does not mean you can attack a police officer on sight just because you happen to be with a suspected family member, nor does it mean you can attack a police officer if your friend chooses to surrender, but if the attempted arrest turns to combat you may assist.
When it's pretty clear their aim is to go after you
So anything that shows they're engaging/ going after you
Admins need to learn to investigate properly which most don't. If a situation is not clear don't be a rambo with the red name and take both sides of the argument in detail, could be through forum PM and give a ruling later if needed.The conversation on the spoiler is "after two hours of investigating". Funnily enough, it's pretty clear that his intention was to punish me. I knew that from the very start of it, but that shouldn't stop me from defending myself.
I was one of the officers outside.I was there too, but I got punished for it!
David Knight was under the impression that nobody inside wanted to RP, as he came outside and told us so, so I can only assume there was a misunderstanding there. As a native English speaker, I can tell you that "Ok no RP then" is a somewhat sarcastic comment about your RP or lack of it, not him refusing to RP.
However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.
takes staff words more serious than players.I'm not going to criticize the HQ, as I have been listened to by them when I needed. Props for that. But they do take staff way too seriously, and staff can't check logs at all lol, nor fact check, nothing really.
I'm not going to criticize the HQ, as I have been listened to by them when I needed. Props for that. But they do take staff way too seriously, and staff can't check logs at all lol, nor fact check, nothing really.
These problems will never go away because there is no definition of what kind of a server Argonath is. In one scenario it becomes stricter than LSRP and in another it becomes more relaxed than a free roam.True, that's just the mentality here.
Topic is just a repeat of many. The above will never change.
A negotiation was sought by the police...but were only willing to do so "under their terms". When the suspects attempted to gain control over negotiations, FBI "pressed H" and left the building.It's not everyday the police wants to negociate with someone who has no hostages, and is a murderer of fellow LEOs. Their intentions were never communicated to us.
To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here; What I do say though was a situation not approached well by either party. Ever thought of PMing the opposition participants to agree to a course of action? We can be friends and RP different roles, you know.
It's not everyday the police wants to negociate with someone who has no hostages, and is a murderer of fellow LEOs. Their intentions were never communicated to us.Also, what the heck is this new trend that the only way police can RP is by negotiating and if someone refuses to negotiate he doesn't RP, lol. Police should RP as police and form strategies, surveillance and conduct briefings on how to tackle situations before going in. But again, as i said before, ARPD is a mess.
Also, what the heck is this new trend that the only way police can RP is by negotiating and if someone refuses to negotiate he doesn't RP, lol. Police should RP as police and form strategies, surveillance and conduct briefings on how to tackle situations before going in. But again, as i said before, ARPD is a mess. :hah: :cop:when they don't have the numbers to storm in and slaughter everyone, they suddenly remember they like to roleplay after all and try to "negotiate"; however when it doesn't go their way, and they're baffled by the fact someone deaded em, they'll just punish #justargonaththings
Makes me wonder, why is it always the same group of people crying about their punishments.
Last year same time it was #boycott, now this.
New year, same shit.
Hiring people who obviously don't know the rules to enforce the rules they don't know turns up like this. Guy hasn't even been here long enough to learn how things work but he's in staff..
I wonder why is it always the same people talking about shit they know nothing about. Yet here you are.
Last time I got punished for something I haven't done, I did PM Brian instead of posting it in the public.
And guess what? My punishment got removed.
haha no
happy new year friends
HAHA THE IRONY
That's how you chose to handle it. In this case more than 5 people got punished and instesd of all reporting it in private they decided to make a forum thread. Which kind of makes sense as they wanted to hear public's opinion because this is a public problem.
And even if Jeremy was wrong to post this, those who voted 'no' are just salty Gvardia haters. It isn't a shame to make a mistake, but it's a shame to refuse to accept your OBVIOUS mistakes.
Na, creating a topic to cause drama for nothing won't reduce their punishment or make it disappear.
It just causes anger between the community.
As for the situation, he should have evaded the cops at the first place instead of "Leave (or die)".
Shooting should be done as last resort and it doesn't matter what you are, a cop or a criminal.
Makes me wonder, why is it always the same group of people crying about their punishments.
Last year same time it was #boycott, now this.
New year, same shit.
Hello, before reading the following content I would like to state that this is not a certain cry topic, no grudge on anyone or stuff like that. Just a quick note: if you're planning to spread bullshit around and ruin the issue I will point out, don't post ot all or just stop reading and switch the topic. It's a personal request, anyone is feel free to post whatever they want to. I just want it to be sorted out rather than closed for being flooded with off-topic/no-sense posts. Thanks in advance.
I think you guys are here long enough, instead of taking that to a private conversation with the HQ (discrd, pm or something) you decide to post it public, hence create arguments and so on.....while you are having a poll about punishments in general, you are having an issues with one situation. I think rather then making a topic and making it look like you are crying, you can just PM any HQ member and I am sure he will look up into it.
There is a right place for that and it's not here....creating a topic about one report, isn't the solution.
Last time I got punished for something I haven't done, I did PM Brian instead of posting it in the public.
And guess what? My punishment got removed.
In my opinion, the wrong part is chasing the two freecops in the beginning, you started the whole situation in a wrong way, it will end up in a wrong way you know.
However, there are plenty of opportunities to escape. Why choosing the last option of escape, you can always be creative for example, two weeks ago i had a bunch of sopranos with me, i was suspected and i forgot about it and i noticed that when my minimap was full of blue blips.
I could simply do what you did, yes, everyone enjoy shooting but not everyone enjoy losing so i decided to play with the dice, i went, i surrendered.
On my way to the nearest police station i was only guided by two officers in a vehicle with me, so i try my luck and offer them an amount of money, they showed back a roleplaying interest and i decide to take it further, we talk, and we came up with a conclusion that i have to pay for my freedom, i did, they let me go and tadaaa.. both sides are happy.
Now, we've been here for quite a while, punished for these reasons and so on, we know it is wrong and we keep doing it? why?. It is more simple to stay away from the troubles, just fuck it.. its always been this way and will probably remain this way, we cant change it.
We went out yes, we walked towards both of them and asked them nicely to leave. They could hop in their cruiser and leave the area, they shot us instead and told us to surrender.
I was one of the officers outside.
However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.
I was present in the situation as well
To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here
3. DeathmatchingJust because someone refused to roleplay, it doesn't mean you should go out and DM them. You weren't punished for not roleplaying with cops, you weren't punished because Djole went behind David with a knife without roleplay and aiming it with the backstab animation, you weren't punished because you aimed guns at the door and guarded your place. You were punished because you went out and shot every single cop with zero roleplay done. What's the reason? You being suspected, and them failing to roleplay.
Deathmatching is defined as attacking another player without a role-play reason and is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, the following:
- Killing any player after insufficient/poor role-play situations. (Such as shouting Stop several times, or if someone refused to obey you in a robbery.
- Killing any player on sight without interacting with them or giving them a chance to role-play.
Just because someone refused to roleplay, it doesn't mean you should go out and DM them. You weren't punished for not roleplaying with cops, you weren't punished because Djole went behind David with a knife without roleplay and aiming it with the backstab animation, you weren't punished because you aimed guns at the door and guarded your place. You were punished because you went out and shot every single cop with zero roleplay done. What's the reason? You being suspected, and them failing to roleplay.
If you are here for long enough you'd understand what deathmatching is. You aren't allowed to shoot someone without interacting, just like cops weren't allowed to come inside and kill every single one of you.
I'm not siding anyone here, I don't care if cops lose any situation, I don't care if Gvardia or any other family wins, we are supposed to lose sometimes and I don't have that play to win mentality. I only care when you're not doing what you're supposed to do and just having a poor roleplay and a poor reason to kill, to deathmatch.
We didn't just go to them and start shooting, what we did was we advised them friendly to leave the place. They could roleplay with us, approach and tell us there's a suspect inside the casino. But no, let's rather read nametags and don't involve roleplaying at all, whenever you see the suspect from /mdc shoot him on sight. That's what happened with the cops outside. Me and Djole went out to interact with them, not to kill them. I decided to stay in casino because I simply wanted to, there is no rule stating that if you're a suspect you can't stay in a certain building.2)FBI agent David went inside, as we were wanted for mudering Stiven and Djole tried to approach him via roleplaying. He didn't get shot on sight, he didn't receive any single bullet from anyone of us. He stated himself that he doesn't wish to roleplay and was constantly entering/exiting the place with 0 willings to roleplay or interact with any of us.
[16:47:03] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: COPS!!3)We had Acika Luciano scouting outside for us, we've been aware of the fact that there are preparations being made and barricades are set and thats why we let Sopranos and whoever was there playing in casino free to go, to avoid any DM.
[16:47:07] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:11] [Gvardia] Huang_Bao(33): {FFFFFF}cops
[16:47:13] David_Knight(39) says: Hi
[16:47:13] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:17] David_Knight(39) says: We don't want a shootout
[16:47:36] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: I said stop moving!!
[16:47:37] David_Knight(39) says: ok no rp then
[16:52:55] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): kenawa and donnie leaving in a car4)We went out, we exchanged fires. Both parties shot, there was nobody just sitting and doing *me extends his hand to negotiate*, they were all getting equipped with weaponary.
[16:54:01] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): all at the truck, arming up
[16:54:30] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): reinforcement
Yes, providing you were on scene before the encounter with the police begins and providing it is proper combat where the family member's life is at stake. What is not allowed is to arrive after the police have already engaged the suspect and assist in combat. But to be clear, if you and a wanted family member are already clearly together and the police arrive and potentially lethal combat ensues, you may assist the family member in combat. This does not mean you can attack a police officer on sight just because you happen to be with a suspected family member, nor does it mean you can attack a police officer if your friend chooses to surrender, but if the attempted arrest turns to combat you may assist.
We would treat that in the same way as if you were attacked yourself, as in it is not necessary to use role-play commands or words to flesh out your actions.
I was one of the officers outside.
David Knight was under the impression that nobody inside wanted to RP, as he came outside and told us so, so I can only assume there was a misunderstanding there. As a native English speaker, I can tell you that "Ok no RP then" is a somewhat sarcastic comment about your RP or lack of it, not him refusing to RP.
However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.
I was present in the situation as well; The intention of the police and the suspects were both, clearly, to win. First note, play to win and 50% of participants will always be disappointed!
With that in mind, it was an even playing field.
A negotiation was sought by the police...but were only willing to do so "under their terms". When the suspects attempted to gain control over negotiations, FBI "pressed H" and left the building.
To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here; What I do say though was a situation not approached well by either party. Ever thought of PMing the opposition participants to agree to a course of action? We can be friends and RP different roles, you know.
I can't speak for the situation with the two freecops prior to this though, I wasn't there and if I've learned anything over the past few years, it is that I shouldn't pass judgment without access to all the facts.
Just because someone refused to roleplay, it doesn't mean you should go out and DM them. You weren't punished for not roleplaying with cops, you weren't punished because Djole went behind David with a knife without roleplay and aiming it with the backstab animation, you weren't punished because you aimed guns at the door and guarded your place. You were punished because you went out and shot every single cop with zero roleplay done. What's the reason? You being suspected, and them failing to roleplay.
If you are here for long enough you'd understand what deathmatching is. You aren't allowed to shoot someone without interacting, just like cops weren't allowed to come inside and kill every single one of you.
I'm not siding anyone here, I don't care if cops lose any situation, I don't care if Gvardia or any other family wins, we are supposed to lose sometimes and I don't have that play to win mentality. I only care when you're not doing what you're supposed to do and just having a poor roleplay and a poor reason to kill, to deathmatch.
Was it a good roleplay? No. But was it against the rules? Definetly not.
•The only reason from cops to shoot you is you are a suspect .
•The only reason from suspect to shoot cops is keep his ass alive.
So the DM from both side do not count
If you understand what shooting on sight and failure to roleplay means, you'd understand what's wrong here.
The suspects inside had the full right to defend their property. The sentence given by David Knight doesn't mean he refuses to roleplay
As I said, just like cops aren't allowed to come inside and spray everyone to death, same goes for criminals. You had plenty of chances to roleplay yet you refused to take any of them and chose to end it with a DM fest
We all know it would have ended in a shootout, but just because we know the outcome it doesn't mean you can take a shortcut and end it directly to your side without giving a fair chance of roleplay. If you want to shoot, make it valid and roleplay properly. This isn't cops and robbers, this is a roleplay server.
If you understand what shooting on sight and failure to roleplay means, you'd understand what's wrong here.
The suspects inside had the full right to defend their property. The sentence given by David Knight doesn't mean he refuses to roleplay, it rather means there is a story behind that made him say it so instead of using chatlog let us be aware of the true situation instead of using it as an excuse.
As I said, just like cops aren't allowed to come inside and spray everyone to death, same goes for criminals. You had plenty of chances to roleplay yet you refused to take any of them and chose to end it with a DM fest, that unlike the rest of situations we excuse, had no intentions besides executing everyone.
We all know it would have ended in a shootout, but just because we know the outcome it doesn't mean you can take a shortcut and end it directly to your side without giving a fair chance of roleplay.
We all know it would have ended in a shootout, but just because we know the outcome it doesn't mean you can take a shortcut and end it directly to your side without giving a fair chance of roleplay.Where could you possibly find this fair chance of /roleplay/ when you're in a very tense situation between a barricaded mafia and less federals circling up the zone? The only fair chance of roleplay that you could drag from this would be a scene where both parties will turn the shootout for a tactical pov instead of jumping around and scrolling weapons (which will never happen in this community). Nobody will ever comply with any /me-s or descriptive actions when they're shooting you, nobody has that time, nobody wants to risk to get put down by the other. Also, talking in terms of realism, as far as I'm concerned, everything kept to a roleplay behavior: Inside the casino, a famous organization not willing to ever get behind the bars and a lack of federal staff with someone from outside scouting. Why would, talking in those terms of realism and roleplay, why would someone, knowing that they have the numbers, not use this opportunity and make it as a chance of escaping? The more time they'd spend inside the building, the more blue dots would have arrived, right? So why couldn't they use this as an opportunity to escape? Which they did afterwards I suppose.
If you understand what shooting on sight and failure to roleplay means, you'd understand what's wrong here.
The suspects inside had the full right to defend their property. The sentence given by David Knight doesn't mean he refuses to roleplay, it rather means there is a story behind that made him say it so instead of using chatlog let us be aware of the true situation instead of using it as an excuse.
As I said, just like cops aren't allowed to come inside and spray everyone to death, same goes for criminals. You had plenty of chances to roleplay yet you refused to take any of them and chose to end it with a DM fest, that unlike the rest of situations we excuse, had no intentions besides executing everyone.
We all know it would have ended in a shootout, but just because we know the outcome it doesn't mean you can take a shortcut and end it directly to your side without giving a fair chance of roleplay. If you want to shoot, make it valid and roleplay properly. This isn't cops and robbers, this is a roleplay server.
[16:47:37] David_Knight(39) says: ok no rp then
I have no interest in being knife killed while trying to type.
You were punished because you went out and shot every single cop with zero roleplay done. What's the reason? You being suspected, and them failing to roleplay.Them failing to RP is not a reason to shoot them, it is to show you that there were no basis of RPing. Tell me what in the world could have been possibly RPed there? You have three officers on the scene who say it wasn't DM, and both sides knew what was coming. And to me, that shows that they know the reason why they were killed. So why are you not seeing it? We admit to being wrong in not properly RPing this, and we gave our reason why. But get punished for it? Please, been for way too long to know the only thing that's gonna get me banned is the attitude I have, not my ability to RP.
You aren't allowed to shoot someone without interacting, just like cops weren't allowed to come inside and kill every single one of you.Yes you are, if both parties know the reason. Interacting can be done in form of actions and doesn't specifically imply we have to talk and use /me for it.
I'm not siding anyone here, I don't care if cops lose any situation, I don't care if Gvardia or any other family wins, we are supposed to lose sometimes and I don't have that play to win mentality. I only care when you're not doing what you're supposed to do and just having a poor roleplay and a poor reason to kill, to deathmatch.You are however siding with David, as he was the one to /pm you and tell you that we refused to RP. Tell me, how did we refuse to RP?
If you understand what shooting on sight and failure to roleplay means, you'd understand what's wrong here.Shooting on sight. David_Knight(39) entered the property three times, was aimed at the whole time, and not a single bullet was shot towards him. How did we refuse to RP, when he was the one entering and exiting the property multiple times, after being approached by us. If you answer those, then I might understand.
The suspects inside had the full right to defend their property. The sentence given by David Knight doesn't mean he refuses to roleplay, it rather means there is a story behind that made him say it so instead of using chatlog let us be aware of the true situation instead of using it as an excuse.We didn't want to defend the property, yet our friends. What story behind it? His sentence doesn't mean he didn't want to RP, his actions, however, show that he wanted to RP smth else with a bunch of murderers xD
As I said, just like cops aren't allowed to come inside and spray everyone to death, same goes for criminals. You had plenty of chances to roleplay yet you refused to take any of them and chose to end it with a DM fest, that unlike the rest of situations we excuse, had no intentions besides executing everyone.What? Cops can breach an interior and shoot. I've been killed inside an interior multiple times lol. Don't you remember the cursed hotel in Verona Beach, RS4? Where CBFasi was banning people and scripting bombs inside the interior? Please, that's not true. How did we refuse to RP? What chances lmao? Who told you that?
We all know it would have ended in a shootout, but just because we know the outcome it doesn't mean you can take a shortcut and end it directly to your side without giving a fair chance of roleplay. If you want to shoot, make it valid and roleplay properly. This isn't cops and robbers, this is a roleplay server.
I even announced we were going to try and negotiate on the radio.Negotiate what? When you entered you said no shooting, and no one shot you. Where's the refusing to RP from our part?
Same as what happened to me once I tried to negotiate with Gvardia.That was me who knifed you. I almost died from the agent behind you but that is irrelevant. You can't say we didn't RP with you, can you? We just didn't RP what you WANTED US TO. That's a different scenario and different reasoning behind it.
In the same time I tried to type, someone went behind me and backstabbed me with no role play at all, ignoring the fact that there was an agent behind me and another 9 cops. Didn't even ask for ressistance etc.
There wasn't anything threatening life of the criminals. They just chose to end situation fast using the excuse they are wanted and that the cops failed to roleplay at first. So instead of trying another way to roleplay, I let my guns speak. Well no, that is not how it works here.Just out of curiosity, were the cops outside being equipped with weapons?
Just out of curiosity, were the cops outside being equipped with weapons?I don't know, I was watching you and I saw you doing wrong, so I took actions.
That was me who knifed you. I almost died from the agent behind you but that is irrelevant. You can't say we didn't RP with you, can you? We just didn't RP what you WANTED US TO. That's a different scenario and different reasoning behind it.
I'm not saying you guys refused to roelplay neither they did.What about this:
You had plenty of chances to roleplay yet you refused to take any of them
I'm saying you leaving the interior and killing all cops outside knowing the fact no roleplay was done from both sides was just a stupid idea and wasn't justified at all, and was nothing but DM.In fact, we told you it was justified, as the cops engaged us. In fact, the cops knew what was coming for them, check Julio's post. In fact,
I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.
I don't know, I was watching you and I saw you doing wrong, so I took actions.Well, that's the thing which you fail to do right. You don't know, you don't take actions. I'm not saying you are biased, you just rushed your decision and for that, you should apologize, not to me, but to everyone involved.
You gave me no chance to react, I don't call this a RP. But I won't talk about this anymore on this topic since it's off topic.Thanks, PM me about it if you want, i was under the impression that you liked my assasin creed move, as you called it :P
There wasn't anything threatening life of the criminals. They just chose to end situation fast using the excuse they are wanted and that the cops failed to roleplay at first. So instead of trying another way to roleplay, I let my guns speak. Well no, that is not how it works here.If this guys want another way , exit the casino is peace cops will take 2 ways :
• kill the suspect and go away with some cash.That's deathmatching. Will not be allowed by supervisors.
• aim at the suspect warns him to give up and goes to jail .
Fuck do you know, been playing for less than a year here, go posthunt somewhere else.Makes me wonder, why is it always the same group of people crying about their punishments.
Congratulations, you explained police work.And someone who has killed two cops will just go to jail? Congratulations, you know nothing about criminals.
Just out of curiosity, were the cops outside being equipped with weapons?Yes
I said that as Djole came creeping up on me with a knife after shouting 'pigs leave' or something autistic like that. I have no interest in being knife killed while trying to type.nobody tried to knife you, and there's no need to provoke little guy. if you'd like to talk about autistic roleplays here's a gem from the ex fbi director: [21:54:42] Amir_Camorra(35) says: i will kill ur mom
I even announced we were going to try and negotiate on the radio.
In fact, Well, that's the thing which you fail to do right. You don't know, you don't take actions. I'm not saying you are biased, you just rushed your decision and for that, you should apologize, not to me, but to everyone involved.
Please lock this topic as nonsense words being said here and nothing actualy helps.
I haven't rushed anything, I still stick to my decision. You guys failed to roleplay, and you guys got punished for it. You aren't in a Cops n Robbers servers where you can simply shoot someone "because you're suspected". You're supposed to roleplay and that situation clearly was going to be roleplayed but you chose to take a shortcut out.ok why does every single suspect get shot without interaction or 2-3 /m1 then? it's a double standard
I haven't rushed anything, I still stick to my decision. You guys failed to roleplay, and you guys got punished for it. You aren't in a Cops n Robbers servers where you can simply shoot someone "because you're suspected". You're supposed to roleplay and that situation clearly was going to be roleplayed but you chose to take a shortcut out.
I haven't rushed anything, I still stick to my decision. You guys failed to roleplay, and you guys got punished for it. You aren't in a Cops n Robbers servers where you can simply shoot someone "because you're suspected". You're supposed to roleplay and that situation clearly was going to be roleplayed but you chose to take a shortcut out.
Fun thing is, if you're suspect, driving, and just stop the car, EVEN if is to RP, and do not /gu, I'm sure cops will open fire on you. Has happened before so I kinda get why suspects now a days just open fire as well.
3.3 Police Rules
- You must always give suspects a chance to surrender before engaging with lethal force, unless the suspects engage you before being permitted the chance to ask them to surrender.
YesSo it's safe to assume that you were getting ready for a shootout. @Younes There you have it. Justified. What else do you need? You've ignored my other posts.
I've been playing for less then a year here,but I'm mature enough to not create a topic after every punishment I get , just to create a shitstorm.Thing about going public is not to shame the admin or cry about it. But this way Younes can see both sides knew what was coming and the punishments were invalid. Apart from that, this just shows the flaws the current administrative has, and could be used to improve things. Don't see any shitstorm here. Keep off-topic outside, thank you.
I haven't rushed anything, I still stick to my decision. You guys failed to roleplay, and you guys got punished for it. You aren't in a Cops n Robbers servers where you can simply shoot someone "because you're suspected". You're supposed to roleplay and that situation clearly was going to be roleplayed but you chose to take a shortcut out.Oh wow, and to think I thought you realised your mistake. Now you're just contradicting yourself and not replying to arguments.
I'm not saying you guys refused to roelplayMake up your mind.
So it's safe to assume that you were getting ready for a shootout. @Younes There you have it. Justified. What else do you need? You've ignored my other posts.
Thing about going public is not to shame the admin or cry about it. But this way Younes can see both sides knew what was coming and the punishments were invalid. Apart from that, this just shows the flaws the current administrative has, and could be used to improve things. Don't see any shitstorm here. Keep off-topic outside, thank you.
Oh wow, and to think I thought you realised your mistake. Now you're just contradicting yourself and not replying to arguments.
Make up your mind.
We've ended up in an endless spiral, only blaming eachother without laying the focus on roleplay, from both sides. The only way we can break through this if the leaders of both law enforcement and criminal groups make agreements and enforce their members approperiately. A new start, so to speak. But that only works if everyone is on board.
I don't consider this as anything besides a conversation topic and I hope it stays like this so let's actually keep it civil and respectful.Agreed. Let's keep it at that.
You don't find excuses after you DM and say "see, they were doing this and doing that". Cops equiping weapons doesn't mean they're going to kill you instantly. Criminals taking weapons from cases doesn't mean they're going to shoot instantly.No it does absolutely not mean that, but there is a reason why they were getting armed, is there? Because I was aiming a gun at a federal agent. It's not really that hard.
What mistake are you talking about? You're just trying to find excuses from all around the community and it's ex-leaders so you can justify your actions.The quotes are to show you that things were working like these before you and I started playing in the server. You can't tell me what happened was against the rules, you can however tell both sides that we should better RP next time. This is "argo RP" at its finest. But inside that casino, I was RPing with others as well, what makes you think I don't wanna RP with the cops too? Heck, I wasn't even suspected I could've walked.
To clarify points here, you went outside and killed at least three cops who were infront the FBI rancher, some started running away and then they shot back. This doesn't mean that both parties participated in the shootout, this doesn't justify your action to shoot on sight every cop outside. I don't see anything that allows you to shoot cops on sight without interacting with them, and if being a /suspect is a reason for you then you shouldn't expect people to be punished for killing suspects on sight at weedfields or any other area. Rules are rules and they apply everywhere, you shouldn't just look at your side and see other situations similar to yours. No one was ever allowed to shoot on sight just because he has been a suspect. Cops were never allowed to shoot criminals at any situation (i.e weedfield) just because they're suspects and at the weedfield, and the same goes for criminals against approaching cops. They need to at least have a valid interaction before withdrawing guns and using them.It's funny because the cops outside don't have a problem with it, yet you do. And that's just behind my understanding.
Your situation here is unjustified and your reasons aren't supporting it. You said it yourself, cops refused to roleplay so literally no roleplay was done. Why did you choose to kill the cops outside instead of waiting for another roleplay chance at least go outside and interact before shooting?Not sure how many times this has happened to you, but here in Albania police issues are very common. People run from the cops without interacting. Shooting cops isn't that common but this is GTA, ain't it? You don't tell a cop that you killed two cops and that you are going to run. Fuck man, that's not hard to understand?
Server rules clearly say you aren't allowed to shoot on sight without roleplay, whether you're suspected, a cop, or whatever you are considered as unless a roleplay was done before, and in this case nothing was done.Server rules say that?
Deathmatching is defined as attacking another player without a role-play reason and is strictly prohibited.Did we have a reason? Yes, we did. Was the reason valid? Pretty sure a suspect can shoot a cop that is engaging him, can he not?
If you are with another member of your current group/family/gang and they are wanted and you are not you may assist them in holding off the law, as long as you were present at that exact moment and not 300 feet away. The same can apply if you are in a vehicle with someone who is wanted and you are not, you may open fire as you yourself have been attacked there-fore allowed to shoot back. This only applies if you were in the vehicle at that time.I may assist them. There. Because I wasn't a suspect, by script, does not mean I wasn't committing any crimes, or aiding, or anything for that matter.
I'm not saying Gandalf is wrong, but I'm saying you quoting that in this situation is totally wrong. You guys killed most of cops outside and few of the last ones shot once they found themselves alone. This doens't mean what you done at start is clear and it doesn't mean you did it correct.Well Gandalf said that, he didn't say if you are in this situation or that, he said if you shoot back it's no longer DM. Did anyone in the scene report us for DM?
Yes I was going to convince you and just talk to you about this situation without issuing any punishment; But just like everyone else gets warned for situations like this one, I can't make an exception otherwise I wouldn't be fair, would I?No problem with the warning, I knew that was coming as everyone else got warned. I went as far as even get ready to be banned about it. :)
You were reported yes.Okay answer the rest of the post now, and also this one:
Tell me what would you have done, and what would be accepted within your rules ( because the server rules are clear ), so that we wouldn't have gotten punished?
You don't find excuses after you DM
Okay answer the rest of the post now, and also this one:
P.S: Three out of 5 on that place have said it wasn't DM. If my math checks out, that's more than the majority, but there will always be butthurt people.
Instead of going out like retards and killing all of them, you guys could simply have called one of them and explain them the consequence of their actions. But you all decided to go out and show your quality Gvardia roleplay.
As for the punishment, consider yourselves lucky as one of the most calm and mature admin was handling your case. If it was KHm or astaroth for example, you guys would simply have ended up in unban section crying for unban.
You're here for longer than me, you're experienced more than me and seen more situations than I did. You should know how to make your way out.Right, spot on. And all these years, this isn't the first time I've done this. So, yeah I did make my way out. Any of us died? Nah. Did it work? Yes. Should we have been punished? Hmm.. don't think so.
Not to mention the bias towards ARPD by an administration member is something that would simply never have happened before therefore I find it extremely amusing. GG Andreas!!
No one is biased towards any side. As I said before, I do not take sides neither believe someone over the other. I took actions upon seeing something myself. So instead of accusing me of being biased you should look for story behind and know the truth.
How things have changed here..
Back when I was active in SAMP, if an official law enforcement member shown such inability to roleplay, he'd probably be fired. From what I can assertain this entire situation was refusing to roleplay which was pointed out long ago to be forbidden and a piss-poor RP by an FBI Agent who should be promoting roleplay rather than ruining it. Not to mention the bias towards ARPD by an administration member is something that would simply never have happened before therefore I find it extremely amusing. GG Andreas!!
Whats the title of this bible?
about a member joins Argonath 2014 then joins SAPD and suddenly Captain and leading it hahahaYou would be more hurt than you already are.... If you did get accepted..
@Younes and btw,,,nah i withdraw and now i understand why everyone leaves and goes to FBI =)
well sadly SAPD is caos now, its out of controll and dying. There is more FBI agents than SAPD due FBI have strong and active leadership
Back in days in 2010,
* Applicants had feedback from SAPD to improve their skills and repair those mistakes they mad untill cadet
* Active leadership, due the inactive leadership even SWAT is inactive and you cant see them in action, i once saw FBI requested it 3 times but no reply from SWAT
* SAPD makes their own rules, when there is a sticked board and the person comes up with his own stuff and doesnt follow it and accepting people like he want it
* People getting promotion fast without seen them active and or in any RP scene
Oh gosh, i miss SAPD in 2010!!!!!
You would be more hurt than you already are.... If you did get accepted..
schh...says that guy that has been SAPD application now for one month haha #FreecopforeverSays the clown who bumlicked sapd to get in, yet you still failed! :hah:
Change is normal, and Younes is capable. MrTrane is active and an oldie. Command staff as far as I can see are also capable. If you've got a problem with hiw your SAPD application went, better to keep it private :D
But yeah, this is seriously derailed now.
Says the clown who bumlicked sapd to get in, yet you still failed! :hah:
Could you provide a quote of that statement from Gandalf? I will use it against two administrators who punished 5 Sopranos for DM after the other party already shot us back. After they died, they happen to report us for “DM”.
Well Gandalf said that, he didn't say if you are in this situation or that, he said if you shoot back it's no longer DM. Did anyone in the scene report us for DM?