Clear rules for everyone

[djole]

Also, what the heck is this new trend that the only way police can RP is by negotiating and if someone refuses to negotiate he doesn't RP, lol. Police should RP as police and form strategies, surveillance and conduct briefings on how to tackle situations before going in. But again, as i said before, ARPD is a mess. 

when they don't have the numbers to storm in and slaughter everyone, they suddenly remember they like to roleplay after all and try to "negotiate"; however when it doesn't go their way, and they're baffled by the fact someone deaded em, they'll just punish #justargonaththings


when you want to "win" all the time there's always going be a good chance you "lose", suck it up and move on

[Matt Murdock]

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[Joe_George]

in ivmp, when we want a RP with cops, we inform them before they arrive. For hostages, we bring other players to play as hostages. have admins participating in the RP. let em control situations. nothing can go wrong 

[AryaN]

I was also present at the scene although I had arrived later when the barricades were being set up. It's not that we wanted to breach in, execute every single of them but rather we were waiting for more units to gather up. Barriers were set up around the place to avoid any kind of trespassing and whilst everyone was trying to recognize the situation, FBI entered inside to check out (Not sure if he was placing snake cam or something as I didn't noticed very well) and as soon as he was out, he informed us that he was being knifed by one of them but managed to escape.

What we I was expecting is that on exiting of suspects we will either force them to give up or execute them if they showed any type of suspicious activity as they had already murdered two leo's. Although the situation was expected as someone said above "Either cops start it by breaching in, or the suspects does by exiting". Outcome was expected because we were outnumbered.

What I see is, the situation couldn't be properly roleplayed because both the parties wanted to turn things under their favour and due to lack of communication, none of them succeeded. I wouldn't say that it was DM but it wasn't properly roleplayed either.

Last but not the least, Shit happens!

[Pete]

I think you guys are here long enough, instead of taking that to a private conversation with the HQ (discrd, pm or something) you decide to post it public, hence create arguments and so on.....while you are having a poll about punishments in general, you are having an issues with one situation. I think rather then making a topic and making it look like you are crying, you can just PM any HQ member and I am sure he will look up into it.
 There is a right place for that and it's not here....creating a topic about one report, isn't the solution.

[Rei]

In my opinion, the wrong part is chasing the two freecops in the beginning, you started the whole situation in a wrong way, it will end up in a wrong way you know.

However, there are plenty of opportunities to escape. Why choosing the last option of escape, you can always be creative for example, two weeks ago i had a bunch of sopranos with me, i was suspected and i forgot about it and i noticed that when my minimap was full of blue blips.
I could simply do what you did, yes, everyone enjoy shooting but not everyone enjoy losing so i decided to play with the dice, i went, i surrendered.
On my way to the nearest police station i was only guided by two officers in a vehicle with me, so i try my luck and offer them an amount of money, they showed back a roleplaying interest and i decide to take it further, we talk, and we came up with a conclusion that i have to pay for my freedom, i did, they let me go and tadaaa.. both sides are happy.

Now, we've been here for quite a while, punished for these reasons and so on, we know it is wrong and we keep doing it? why?. It is more simple to stay away from the troubles, just fuck it.. its always been this way and will probably remain this way, we cant change it.

[jovanca]

Hiring people who obviously don't know the rules to enforce the rules they don't know turns up like this. Guy hasn't even been here long enough to learn how things work but he's in staff..

Makes me wonder, why is it always the same group of people crying about their punishments.

Last year same time it was #boycott, now this.

New year, same shit.

I wonder why is it always the same people talking about shit they know nothing about. Yet here you are.

[Claudia]

Last time I got punished for something I haven't done, I did PM Brian instead of posting it in the public.
And guess what? My punishment got removed.

[Dean.]

haha no


happy new year friends

Hiring people who obviously don't know the rules to enforce the rules they don't know turns up like this. Guy hasn't even been here long enough to learn how things work but he's in staff..

I wonder why is it always the same people talking about shit they know nothing about. Yet here you are.

HAHA THE IRONY

[jovanca]

Last time I got punished for something I haven't done, I did PM Brian instead of posting it in the public.
And guess what? My punishment got removed.

That's how you chose to handle it. In this case more than 5 people got punished and instesd of all reporting it in private they decided to make a forum thread. Which kind of makes sense as they wanted to hear public's opinion because this is a public problem.

And even if Jeremy was wrong to post this, those who voted 'no' are just salty Gvardia haters. It isn't a shame to make a mistake, but it's a shame to refuse to accept your OBVIOUS mistakes.

haha no


happy new year friends

HAHA THE IRONY

If you are going to troll you better just get out of here.

[Claudia]

That's how you chose to handle it. In this case more than 5 people got punished and instesd of all reporting it in private they decided to make a forum thread. Which kind of makes sense as they wanted to hear public's opinion because this is a public problem.

And even if Jeremy was wrong to post this, those who voted 'no' are just salty Gvardia haters. It isn't a shame to make a mistake, but it's a shame to refuse to accept your OBVIOUS mistakes.

Na, creating a topic to cause drama for nothing won't reduce their punishment or make it disappear.
It just causes anger between the community.


As for the situation, he should have evaded the cops at the first place instead of "Leave (or die)".
Shooting should be done as last resort and it doesn't matter what you are, a cop or a criminal.

[jovanca]

Na, creating a topic to cause drama for nothing won't reduce their punishment or make it disappear.
It just causes anger between the community.


As for the situation, he should have evaded the cops at the first place instead of "Leave (or die)".
Shooting should be done as last resort and it doesn't matter what you are, a cop or a criminal.

Idea behind this thread is not to get their punishments removed but to point out a huge problem on samp.

As for the second part of your post i hope you are sarcastic. If you want to discuss it hit me up in PM to avoid derailing this thread

[Bruce.]

I think that creating a topic wont help. Instead try to get a meeting with one or two HQ members and talk about things you think it is a problem within the server/police. Sure its up to SAPD/FBI command bla bla bla...HQ is above them and they can interfeer if something is gone wrong.
Making a topic will cause a bigger mess because people who liek you will be beside u and people who dont will try to find ANYTHING to throw ur facts down.
We all know Argonath's mentality is to win or to win. There is no loosing. I myself as a cop do roleplay at whole times even if I know I am going to die, I dont give a flying fuck...its a game.
The admin that handled the situation should have been investigating it way more with logs from both sides and from HQ.
Anyway, its his way to handle a report. Ofc if you think its wrong just talk with a HQ member about it and im sure they will listen to such complains.

[Jeremy.]

Makes me wonder, why is it always the same group of people crying about their punishments.

Last year same time it was #boycott, now this.

New year, same shit.

Hello, before reading the following content I would like to state that this is not a certain cry topic, no grudge on anyone or stuff like that. Just a quick note: if you're planning to spread bullshit around and ruin the issue I will point out, don't post ot all or just stop reading and switch the topic. It's a personal request, anyone is feel free to post whatever they want to. I just want it to be sorted out rather than closed for being flooded with off-topic/no-sense posts. Thanks in advance.

The only one which is crying it's you, mister. Unless you come up with proper arguments, I won't even waste my time reading your posts.

I think you guys are here long enough, instead of taking that to a private conversation with the HQ (discrd, pm or something) you decide to post it public, hence create arguments and so on.....while you are having a poll about punishments in general, you are having an issues with one situation. I think rather then making a topic and making it look like you are crying, you can just PM any HQ member and I am sure he will look up into it.
 There is a right place for that and it's not here....creating a topic about one report, isn't the solution.

There is nobody crying, we're having a civilized discussion. Reports have issued, HQ will indeed take care of it. I just want to hear a public opinion from them, we had two discussions with Younes yet we didn't understand shit. If there are new rules, they should be posted here so we can all play by the rules. You can't except me to guess every administrators' mind and act the only way they want to. As everyone is making mistakes, we all admit them. Maybe Younes hearing other opinions which are with proper arguments he will change his point of view. It's just a warning, not a full ban. So, show me where and how we are crying? Finding a post which is made constructively and proving something properly is considered as "crying" for you then you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

Last time I got punished for something I haven't done, I did PM Brian instead of posting it in the public.
And guess what? My punishment got removed.

You're playing since 1 year here, I'm playing since 8. That means I'm way more experienced than you, accept it or not. I have witnessed administrative cases which you can't even count, I've been also in the staff team for a certain period of time. It's not just one of us which got a punishment and what made me to post a topic is Younes and his 0 willing of listening, coming out with rules which we never heard of. I'm sorry, but I can't play on a server which rules are being introduced out of nowhere.

In my opinion, the wrong part is chasing the two freecops in the beginning, you started the whole situation in a wrong way, it will end up in a wrong way you know.

However, there are plenty of opportunities to escape. Why choosing the last option of escape, you can always be creative for example, two weeks ago i had a bunch of sopranos with me, i was suspected and i forgot about it and i noticed that when my minimap was full of blue blips.
I could simply do what you did, yes, everyone enjoy shooting but not everyone enjoy losing so i decided to play with the dice, i went, i surrendered.
On my way to the nearest police station i was only guided by two officers in a vehicle with me, so i try my luck and offer them an amount of money, they showed back a roleplaying interest and i decide to take it further, we talk, and we came up with a conclusion that i have to pay for my freedom, i did, they let me go and tadaaa.. both sides are happy.

Now, we've been here for quite a while, punished for these reasons and so on, we know it is wrong and we keep doing it? why?. It is more simple to stay away from the troubles, just fuck it.. its always been this way and will probably remain this way, we cant change it.

Thanks for submitting a nice post rather than throwing hate here. Regarding the two freecops, I said it earlier.

We went out yes, we walked towards both of them and asked them nicely to leave. They could hop in their cruiser and leave the area, they shot us instead and told us to surrender.

We didn't just go to them and start shooting, what we did was we advised them friendly to leave the place. They could roleplay with us, approach and tell us there's a suspect inside the casino. But no, let's rather read nametags and don't involve roleplaying at all, whenever you see the suspect from /mdc shoot him on sight. That's what happened with the cops outside. Me and Djole went out to interact with them, not to kill them. I decided to stay in casino because I simply wanted to, there is no rule stating that if you're a suspect you can't stay in a certain building.

It's good that people admit it and speak the truth, rather than spreading shit around.

I was one of the officers outside.
However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.

I was present in the situation as well
To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here

[Younes]

3. Deathmatching
Deathmatching is defined as attacking another player without a role-play reason and is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, the following:

• Killing any player after insufficient/poor role-play situations. (Such as shouting Stop several times, or if someone refused to obey you in a robbery.
  
• Killing any player on sight without interacting with them or giving them a chance to role-play.
  

Just because someone refused to roleplay, it doesn't mean you should go out and DM them. You weren't punished for not roleplaying with cops, you weren't punished because Djole went behind David with a knife without roleplay and aiming it with the backstab animation, you weren't punished because you aimed guns at the door and guarded your place. You were punished because you went out and shot every single cop with zero roleplay done. What's the reason? You being suspected, and them failing to roleplay.

If you are here for long enough you'd understand what deathmatching is. You aren't allowed to shoot someone without interacting, just like cops weren't allowed to come inside and kill every single one of you.
I'm not siding anyone here, I don't care if cops lose any situation, I don't care if Gvardia or any other family wins, we are supposed to lose sometimes and I don't have that play to win mentality. I only care when you're not doing what you're supposed to do and just having a poor roleplay and a poor reason to kill, to deathmatch.