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on: December 28, 2017, 01:24:12 am
Hello, before reading the following content I would like to state that this is not a certain cry topic, no grudge on anyone or stuff like that. Just a quick note: if you're planning to spread bullshit around and ruin the issue I will point out, don't post ot all or just stop reading and switch the topic. It's a personal request, anyone is feel free to post whatever they want to. I just want it to be sorted out rather than closed for being flooded with off-topic/no-sense posts. Thanks in advance.

I had some free time to spend with my friends in-game so I decided to join. I have received a message through phone to head towards 4 Dragons as soon as I can. I went there, Zhang Gvardia was gambling with some Sopranos, everything was going very very well. Meanwhile I have noticed the fact that I am suspected, I asked Djole to assist me in checking the situation outside if there is any police around. Both of us exited, we noticed 2 freecops close to the casino. We went towards them and asked them to leave the area. They didn't, they told us to surrender and we exchanged fires there. It ended up with both freecops being killed by me and Djole and we both went back inside the casino. Everything was normal, untill we got informed by Acika which was scouting for us outside the fact that people are arriving towards the entry of the casino. Here is some of Acika's scouting outside of the casino, just a few of them I could quickly find on saved chatlog:
Spoiler for Hiden:
[16:46:13] [Gvardia] Acika_Luciano(58): {FFFFFF}u have cops
[16:46:30] [Gvardia] Acika_Luciano(58): {FFFFFF}4, full AnA
[16:46:49] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): on the entrance, outside.
[16:49:08] [Gvardia] Acika_Luciano(58): {FFFFFF}6 cops
[16:49:13] [Gvardia] Acika_Luciano(58): {FFFFFF}one soprano out
[16:52:55] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): kenawa and donnie leaving in a car
[16:54:01] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): all at the truck, arming up
[16:54:30] ***[6000] Acika_Luciano(58): reinforcement

As it can be clearly seen, we were informed by everything happening outisde. One FBI agent entered the casino, David_Knight to be more precise. He entered 3-4 times the casino showing 0 sign of roleplaying, clearly for checking how many people are inside the casino. Okay, upon his enterings Stivi Gvardia and Djole tried to interact with him, he simply said it himself that he doesn't wish to roleplay and he pressed H when he was aimed with a gun on his head which is considered as avoiding roleplay.

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[16:47:03] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: COPS!!
[16:47:07] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:11] [Gvardia] Huang_Bao(33): {FFFFFF}cops
[16:47:13] David_Knight(39) says: Hi
[16:47:13] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: HALT!!
[16:47:17] David_Knight(39) says: We don't want a shootout
[16:47:36] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: I said stop moving!!
[16:47:37] David_Knight(39) says: ok no rp then

It's clear that he has been approached and he had to comply, he had to roleplay with people surrounding him with weapons. But no, he rather decided to leave the casino by pressing H and clearly ddn't co-operate. He could get his hands up, roleplaying as our hostage and creating a very nice and unique roleplaying scene there. There were hundreds of posibilities he could give to us to roleplay but he avoided it entirely. Forgot to mention the fact that whilst his enterings he suspected people which were inside the casino for aiding.

People who were playing inside the casino apart from us left it and we came to the conclusion that we have to exit and fight for our lives. We had no other chance, we prior killed 2 cops and we're wanted for murdering. Cops wouldn't rush inside telling us Merry Christmas. As I said, prior to FBI coming, a few minutes before we murdered two cops. We let our guests which came to play free to go, we didn't involve them in anyway. We all went out and the shootout with cops started. We obviously won, almost all of them got killed. We also almost lost people too but cops were outnumbered. There was a CLEAR shootout going there, nobody said anything regarding it and they all shot back once they saw us leaving the building. We even got sniped, the shootout lasted a while. In conclusion we won the shootout and after 30 minutes of investigation by [TCL]Younes, he considered that what we did was pure deathmatching and he warned only _Gvardia members, including the fact that there were also tagless people which were together with us. I'm not pointing out anything, I'm just telling how things went.

A few minutes ago, we had another talk with Younes regarding the same scene yet 0 willings to comprehend our sayings. Now, why did I create this topic? I want to hear what community thinks about this or anything similar they attended, to be more specific in those cases when the staff team comes out with rules which we never heard of yet we're expected to obey. I don't have anything with obeying the rules but as long as they aren't made publicly it is harder for all of us to understand what administrators are trying to explain. I might have rulebreaked in my 8 years of presence here, but who didn't? Now this is the case where I clearly didn't do anything wrong and probably my group was the last scenario which could end up being punished. I'm pointing this out because, just as a community we can fix the holes and our gameplay and joy couldn't be disturbed by something like this. I have done more than enough for this community, I have been around trying to help by keeping a group active when the playerbase was 5 to 10 and most of the current admins didn't even register. It's a shameful situation which I didn't meet in many years. Yet here I am, trying to find a solution.

This is the recent talk with Younes:
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[23:31:38] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: So we all gathered at 4 dragons casino, I got myself a message from Djole.
[23:31:49] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: We were all there. I noticed that I was already a suspect.
[23:32:06] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: After I arrived, me and Djole went out to check if there is any police outside.
[23:32:11] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: This is PRIOR to FBI and otehrs showing up.
[23:32:21] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: So this is the first interaction of us with cops.
[23:32:27] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Me and Djole went towards the 2 freecops.
[23:32:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: We told them to leave.
[23:32:45] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: They didn't, they took cover and told us to surrender.
[23:32:57] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: So it was pretty obvious we were inside.
[23:33:18] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: ALSO.
[23:33:26] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: We had Acika_Luciano scouting for us.
[23:33:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: He was telling us over the radio regarding who is passing by
[23:33:40] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Who is leaving the casino
[23:33:42] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: And so on.
[23:33:54] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: We were basically informed by anything, especially cops coming there.
[23:34:10] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: We knew they are getting regrouped outside and we were 2 suspects inside.
[23:34:14] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Me and Djole.
[23:34:27] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: + anyone else if David or what was his name
[23:34:31] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: suspected the people inside.
[23:34:55] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: That FBI agent entered casino like 3 times
[23:35:07] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Boys walked towards him, tried to interact. He completely refused.
[23:35:14] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: He left the casino by pressing H immediately.
[23:35:28] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: According to Khm, which is a Senior Administrator. Leaving the building like that
[23:35:31] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: so dont tell me i am moaning
[23:35:32] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Is considered as
[23:35:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Ignoring roleplay
[23:36:14] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} How did he completely refuse to roleplay, David Knight?
[23:36:19] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Stiven obviously tried to interact with him, even his shout Halt
[23:36:26] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Is a way he tried to interact, Stivi.
[23:36:30] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: So it's considered as roleplay.
[23:36:42] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: I don't know what Djole did, it's his personal mistake or not
[23:36:47] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: But he didn't knife him.
[23:36:49] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: i was aiming a gun at him
[23:36:49] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} The rolepaly isn't just "HALT" and him leaving building
[23:36:53] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You were supposed to take it further.

[23:36:56] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: No, I WAS AIMING A GUN
[23:37:04] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} That wasn't a proepr roleplay.
[23:37:05] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: [16:47:36] Stiven_Gvardia(31) shouts: I said stop moving!!
[23:37:22] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} Cops don't say I died by djole then djole is bad, they say the whole scenario isn't done properly.
[23:37:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: There can't be a "proper roleplay" if he presses H on the first approacing.
[23:37:37] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} As you're elder there, you were supposed to guide your friend Djole but once again it's not what I punished for
[23:37:38] PM to Kenawa_Soprano(52): po qe kte rast skishim faj me verte 
[23:37:56] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} There can't be a proper roleplay if I'm having a knife behind my neck and probably are getting knifed (yet you press H to exit the building to avoid getting being killed maybe? or avoid roleplay, gg m8)
[23:38:01] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: He had to comply. We wouldn't kill him. INSTEAD, we would create a hostage situation.
[23:38:38] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} Right. So you say that no proper roleplay was established between both parties?
[23:38:49] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} Why did you guys then decide to rush outside and shoot the cops knowing it's just a DM fest?

[23:39:16] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Acika informed us in radio that they are regrouping and having weapons in their hands.
[23:39:19] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You don't expect people to just stand and follow your instructions while they can simply leave becaus
[23:39:24] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} people aren't roleplaying properly
[23:39:26] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: So they werent coming in to wish us Merry Christmas.
[23:39:33] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: we were masked, guns out
[23:39:35] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: aiming at them
[23:39:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: They even set up barricades, which we were aware of.
[23:39:39] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You need to either convince them with roelplay or  they'll use other ways, and David's was alright.
[23:39:47] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: no, he refused to RP
[23:39:49] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: ignored RP
[23:39:51] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: David's roleplay was avoiding roleplay.
[23:39:53] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} How did he refuse to RP?
[23:39:57] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: I repeat, Khm stated it yesterday.
[23:39:59] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: Ughm, he said "no rp"?
[23:40:07] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} David PMed me and Khm saying you guys are refusing to roleplay, at that moment I started observing
[23:40:08] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Yeah he stated it himself.
[23:40:08] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Yeah he stated it himself.
[23:40:11] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} the situation by Stiven's side.
[23:40:12] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: lol
[23:40:18] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: [16:47:37] David_Knight(39) says: ok no rp then
[23:40:23] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: idk how he refused
[23:40:27] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} Why did he say that?
[23:40:27] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Okay, can we ask Kenawa and Kenji's opinion regarding this situation?
[23:40:28] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Please?
[23:40:29] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} because of Djole.
[23:40:32] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} Djole is part of suspects.

[23:40:33] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: but, sorry, me aiming a gun at you shouting stop?
[23:40:38] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: Younes man
[23:40:41] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: it is very easy
[23:40:41] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} then he better get his ass otu otherwise it'll end up bad.
[23:40:47] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: tell me when am I allowed to shoot the cops?
[23:40:47] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Okay, can we ask Kenawa and Kenji's opinion regarding this situation?
[23:40:55] {FF0000}Kenawa_Soprano(52) says:{C2A2DA} I was online when this scenario happened so I'm with Younes at this point. (  :rofl: )
[23:41:04] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You're allowed to shoot the cops whne you have a valid reason and a valid interaction done.
[23:41:06] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: was I not aiming a gun at the front door, kenawa?
[23:41:13] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You're not allowed to just rush to cops and kill them without giving them a chance to do an ything.

[23:41:14] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: I was.
[23:41:17] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: Look
[23:41:25] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: They tried to gave him a chance
[23:41:26] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: I can shoot the cops when they engage me
[23:41:28] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: Right?
[23:41:32] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} I'm not sying you shouldn't aim guns at cops, I'm not saying you shouldn't guard your interior
[23:41:36] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: Leaving a business by being aimed with a gun is = avoiding roleplay.
[23:41:48] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} But you heading out of that place and spraying all cops outside was just a stupid idea nad is pure DM

I really want to hear how what we did is considered as "pure deathmatching" @Grimbeorn @MrTrane @Andeey @Brian @Grizz @Bengt. Thanks.

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Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 01:38:47 am
The asslick mentality of "shootouts are for dmers" and "we're pro RPers hence don't shoot people" needs to change and if there are legit reasons for one, people should not cry because they lost. ARPD is lost, there is no leader or structure, the leaders are mostly just goofing around. You can't hold any of them accountable for anything.

Admins need to learn to investigate properly which most don't. If a situation is not clear don't be a rambo with the red name and take both sides of the argument in detail, could be through forum PM and give a ruling later if needed.

You concerns are legit but my personal opinion is this will never change because after 5-10 pages of this topic, things will be back to as they are. Management mentality will probably be to let things "cool down" and that's it pretty much. Reason for this opinion is that I've seen countless topics like this with legit motives but they hold 0 value in terms of management. Management should have a open mind and not make blind decisions without considering consequences of the decisions made. 

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Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 01:49:23 am
I was one of the officers outside.

David Knight was under the impression that nobody inside wanted to RP, as he came outside and told us so, so I can only assume there was a misunderstanding there. As a native English speaker, I can tell you that "Ok no RP then" is a somewhat sarcastic comment about your RP or lack of it, not him refusing to RP.

However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.



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Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 01:51:21 am
I asked Djole to assist me in checking the situation outside if there is any police around. Both of us exited, we noticed 2 freecops close to the casino. We went towards them and asked them to leave the area. They didn't, they told us to surrender and we exchanged fires there. It ended up with both freecops being killed by me and Djole and we both went back inside the casino

This is where you made a mistake. As a criminal, your goal would be to escape from the cops. "Leave or get shot" is Deathmatching same as "Stop or we shoot". Now, I haven't read the full topic as I'm just leaving from work(Will get to it once I'm home), but from what I've read so far you brought yourself to the situation. Calling in allies to scout for cops, arming up and getting ready for a shootout, what this describes is the everyday Cops & Robbers mentality which is a really poor excuse for "Roleplay".

You were inside the casino, you realized you were suspected. Think logically, there's a Gvardia suspect with a gathering of Gvardias and Allies in the 4 Dragons. Cops see that, first thing they'll do is go and check out if you are there. You stayed, you encouraged people to scout for you and mentally prepared for the shootout instead of leaving and laying low until you escape.

You do deserve some sort of punishment though. If not for going out of the casino and shooting people(This may not have been DM), but for the two freecops you went up to and killed.

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Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 01:56:49 am
This is where you made a mistake. As a criminal, your goal would be to escape from the cops. "Leave or get shot" is Deathmatching same as "Stop or we shoot". Now, I haven't read the full topic as I'm just leaving from work(Will get to it once I'm home), but from what I've read so far you brought yourself to the situation. Calling in allies to scout for cops, arming up and getting ready for a shootout, what this describes is the everyday Cops & Robbers mentality which is a really poor excuse for "Roleplay".

You were inside the casino, you realized you were suspected. Think logically, there's a Gvardia suspect with a gathering of Gvardias and Allies in the 4 Dragons. Cops see that, first thing they'll do is go and check out if you are there. You stayed, you encouraged people to scout for you and mentally prepared for the shootout instead of leaving and laying low until you escape.

You do deserve some sort of punishment though. If not for going out of the casino and shooting people(This may not have been DM), but for the two freecops you went up to and killed.

I'm sure Gandalf himself has given guidelines on such situations. If you know you're outnumbered, you know they are a large mafia and probably heavily armed, you're not going to get far by snooping up on them when there's only two of you. As far as i'm concerned, if the cops couldn't handle, they should not have been there in the first place. As said in the topic, they were heavily outnumbered.

I mean cops just "wondering" around a group of men in a organised crime family isn't going to instigate a welcoming reaction especially if they are suspects. It puts them on the edge, cops may be collecting evidence, providing information to others etc. If the cops wanted to be there, they should've hidden themselves and done surveillance and then called in back up and launched a proper assault to tackle the situation.

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Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 01:57:49 am
This is where you made a mistake. As a criminal, your goal would be to escape from the cops. "Leave or get shot" is Deathmatching same as "Stop or we shoot". Now, I haven't read the full topic as I'm just leaving from work(Will get to it once I'm home), but from what I've read so far you brought yourself to the situation. Calling in allies to scout for cops, arming up and getting ready for a shootout, what this describes is the everyday Cops & Robbers mentality which is a really poor excuse for "Roleplay".

You were inside the casino, you realized you were suspected. Think logically, there's a Gvardia suspect with a gathering of Gvardias and Allies in the 4 Dragons. Cops see that, first thing they'll do is go and check out if you are there. You stayed, you encouraged people to scout for you and mentally prepared for the shootout instead of leaving and laying low until you escape.

You do deserve some sort of punishment though. If not for going out of the casino and shooting people(This may not have been DM), but for the two freecops you went up to and killed.

I stated it at the beginning, read it all before saying your opinion. We went out yes, we walked towards both of them and asked them nicely to leave. They could hop in their cruiser and leave the area, they shot us instead and told us to surrender. I don't really see where is your point, there is no rule saying I can't stick with my family because I'm a suspect or I stick inside a property. Your arguments are totally invalid.

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Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 01:58:54 am
Why has all my CAPS LOCK been removed? :( Am I butthurt because I got warned? Not really, kinda thought I would get banned to be honest. I've been there before.

Honestly, I'll admit, the situation could have been RPed better, absolutely, but that happened anyway.

It is to be noted, that the police had barricaded the casino. It is to be noted that David Knight entered the casino at least three times. It is to be noted that David Knight used the /su command to suspect Zhang Gvardia for aiding. It is to be noted that everyone committed the same crime. It is to be noted that we all knew why the police were there. It is to be noted that two freecops were killed by Jeremy and Djole before reinforcements came.

2. Are you allowed to help your suspected family member in a gunfight with the cops without any roleplaying? I mean no one really has time for any fancy /me's when there's bullets flying.
Yes, providing you were on scene before the encounter with the police begins and providing it is proper combat where the family member's life is at stake. What is not allowed is to arrive after the police have already engaged the suspect and assist in combat. But to be clear, if you and a wanted family member are already clearly together and the police arrive and potentially lethal combat ensues, you may assist the family member in combat. This does not mean you can attack a police officer on sight just because you happen to be with a suspected family member, nor does it mean you can attack a police officer if your friend chooses to surrender, but if the attempted arrest turns to combat you may assist.

We did not choose to attack the police officers on sight because we happen to be with a suspected family member. We chose to shoot them based on their current and previous actions.

An HQ member told me after the situation that a police officer is engaging you when:
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When it's pretty clear their aim is to go after you
So anything that shows they're engaging/ going after you

BARRICADING THE PROPERTY. If that isn't engaging, then I don't know what is, honestly.



Admins need to learn to investigate properly which most don't. If a situation is not clear don't be a rambo with the red name and take both sides of the argument in detail, could be through forum PM and give a ruling later if needed.
The conversation on the spoiler is "after two hours of investigating". Funnily enough, it's pretty clear that his intention was to punish me. I knew that from the very start of it, but that shouldn't stop me from defending myself.

You know what's funny, though?

[23:50:55] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You said shoot back = no longer DM
[23:50:59] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: We had a reason.
[23:50:59] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} That is true, but not in this case
[23:51:04] Stiven_Gvardia(9) says: LMAO
[23:51:06] Jeremy_Gvardia(30) says: lol..
[23:51:14] Screenshot Taken - sa-mp-205.png
[23:51:16] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} You guys were many, and if few cops shot after you guys controlled area outside, it doesn't mean it's
[23:51:19] {FF0000}[TCL]Younes(40) says:{C2A2DA} its not DM.



I was one of the officers outside.

David Knight was under the impression that nobody inside wanted to RP, as he came outside and told us so, so I can only assume there was a misunderstanding there. As a native English speaker, I can tell you that "Ok no RP then" is a somewhat sarcastic comment about your RP or lack of it, not him refusing to RP.

However, I do agree with the fact it wasn't DM. Let's face it, the situation was only going to end one way, either with the cops entering and there being a shootout, or you guys exiting. I don't think the cops started the shootout though, I was shot when I wasnt even looking towards the casino. I don't object to being caught by surprise though, that's just good tactics on your side.
I was there too, but I got punished for it!

David Knight was being aimed at and told to stop moving the whole time after the first entry. David Knight didn't want to RP. It is sarcastic, of course, but in no way were the criminals inside the casino refusing to RP, as apparently, that is what he went to the administration for.


Thanks for being honest about it. I mean, it takes not so much thinking that the shootout was going to happen. We couldn't escape the casino without a fight, unless you would have let us?

Mr Cofiliano how can you deny that we had any relation or intercourse, while you are prosecuting me?


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Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 01:59:30 am
Man, i got one time warned because i got rammed by a UC admin, and the UC admin telling me i didn't RP when i had focus on something else and the person didn't get any shit, i got all blame. haha walla best admin ever sometimes HQ tell us to report but they dont even review so whole ''report admin'' is bullshit

8 years in this server never got treated like this before , i miss old HQ for real because i rather have old HQ than this , because at least they do their job correctly.

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Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 02:01:35 am
takes staff words more serious than players.
I'm not going to criticize the HQ, as I have been listened to by them when I needed. Props for that. But they do take staff way too seriously, and staff can't check logs at all lol, nor fact check, nothing really.

Mr Cofiliano how can you deny that we had any relation or intercourse, while you are prosecuting me?


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Reply #9 on: December 28, 2017, 02:04:04 am
I'm not going to criticize the HQ, as I have been listened to by them when I needed. Props for that. But they do take staff way too seriously, and staff can't check logs at all lol, nor fact check, nothing really.

Man they put people which got banned 10 times or for worse stuff like hacking or aimbotting as helper, and the person never help, just using help duty for show off and nothing else. These ''helpers'' going one day be moderator then admins. This is how system works these days


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Reply #10 on: December 28, 2017, 02:08:41 am
These problems will never go away because there is no definition of what kind of a server Argonath is. In one scenario it becomes stricter than LSRP and in another it becomes more relaxed than a free roam.

Topic is just a repeat of many. The above will never change.

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Reply #11 on: December 28, 2017, 02:12:10 am
I was present in the situation as well; The intention of the police and the suspects were both, clearly, to win. First note, play to win and 50% of participants will always be disappointed!

With that in mind, it was an even playing field.
A negotiation was sought by the police...but were only willing to do so "under their terms". When the suspects attempted to gain control over negotiations, FBI "pressed H" and left the building.

To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here; What I do say though was a situation not approached well by either party. Ever thought of PMing the opposition participants to agree to a course of action? We can be friends and RP different roles, you know.

I can't speak for the situation with the two freecops prior to this though, I wasn't there and if I've learned anything over the past few years, it is that I shouldn't pass judgment without access to all the facts.


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Reply #12 on: December 28, 2017, 02:35:48 am
These problems will never go away because there is no definition of what kind of a server Argonath is. In one scenario it becomes stricter than LSRP and in another it becomes more relaxed than a free roam.

Topic is just a repeat of many. The above will never change.
True, that's just the mentality here.



A negotiation was sought by the police...but were only willing to do so "under their terms". When the suspects attempted to gain control over negotiations, FBI "pressed H" and left the building.

To he honest I don't see any deathmatching here; What I do say though was a situation not approached well by either party. Ever thought of PMing the opposition participants to agree to a course of action? We can be friends and RP different roles, you know.
It's not everyday the police wants to negociate with someone who has no hostages, and is a murderer of fellow LEOs. Their intentions were never communicated to us.

Second cop in the scene who says he wasn't DMed, yet some admin spectating says it was DM. I agree that the situation could have been better RPed, that can't change. Will try in the future, sure, not like I'm good at shooting anyway :P

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Reply #13 on: December 28, 2017, 03:02:23 am
DM means killing/shooting someone without a reason, in the situation we had two of us were suspected, and the officer who came in did not co operate in the RP, we were 8 players fully armed, and as a mafia we roleplay by basic standers that can give us few options either dying or killing.

We were out numbering the cops which means we are able to escape, on the other hand if we were out numbered we would have stayed inside the property, the cop who entered the property kept entering and exiting the property, suspected everyone of us, we waited for him TO ENTER WITHOUT EXITING so we can solve the situation BUT he did not give us a chance to interact properly.

Some might say it was a miss understanding BUT none of the both sides should have got punished, I myself tried to solve it with YOUNES but he did not consider my words as it's the truth, although i said the correct story even the part where we rushed out.

I hope the HQ can look further into this situation.



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Reply #14 on: December 28, 2017, 03:05:51 am
It's not everyday the police wants to negociate with someone who has no hostages, and is a murderer of fellow LEOs. Their intentions were never communicated to us.
Also, what the heck is this new trend that the only way police can RP is by negotiating and if someone refuses to negotiate he doesn't RP, lol. Police should RP as police and form strategies, surveillance and conduct briefings on how to tackle situations before going in. But again, as i said before, ARPD is a mess.

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