Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Pedro. on January 10, 2018, 04:28:33 pm
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Hey everyone.
So basicly today I was warned by =BS=Denzel because I didn't comply with FBI's new concept of NPC RolePlay.
I was detained by the FBI for cooking meth, and due to an explosion and also due to them smashing my head against the wall I was injured and bleeding intesivly RPly, instead of roleplaying some basic medic stuff to cure me or whatsoever I'll show you what happened:
[15:11:59] Pedro_Gvardia(22) barely breathes.
[15:12:01] Pedro_Gvardia(22) says: Ugh-..
[15:12:49] Pedro_Gvardia(22) turns around, keeping his chest turned to the ceiling.
[15:13:01] Pedro_Gvardia(22) inhales deeply.
[15:13:20] The FBI doctor would arrive to the interrogation room. (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:13:39] where is he (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:13:44] He would observe Pedro's injures, and make him a treatment. (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:13:51] wtf is that (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:13:53] Imagine there's a Doctor in there, RPly. (Sadusky(21))
[15:13:57] what (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:00] fuck no lol (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:04] That's RP. (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:14:10] That's RP. (Sadusky(21))
[15:14:12] no, thats not RP creating characters (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:18] thats powergaming (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:18] That's NPC. (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:14:22] LOL (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:14:25] NPCs dont roleplay (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:40] NPCs are bots (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:45] bots dont roleplay (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
[15:14:47] That's NPC RP . . . . (Claudia_Martinez(1))
[15:14:51] lol wtf' (Pedro_Gvardia(22))
I'd like to know everyone's opinion on this and since when does this exist... I'm really amazed and will probably create an army of NPC RolePlayers to protect my weed fields and such.
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If you get injured, you should indeed get a medic for the rp, i assume it isn't that hard..
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Yeah you can ask over /p for a medic. Im pretty sure someone would volunteer unless FBI dont want peopld in their HQ and so, FBI Staff should get medic thing done outside.
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I mean on the one hand this helps the scene progress with out stopping (since there are barely medics around specialy with current activity ) yet this is something new, I'm just confused.
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Well, they could’ve waited for a medic. There is practically no excuse here, since SA:MP has 200 player slots, so, a medic could’ve been asked to join in. Role-playing with imaginary characters isn’t illegal, though. It can be used as a last resort, when there is a lack of players available willing to join a roleplay situation (for example, that can happen a lot in a server with only 32 player slots/IV:MP) or if both parties would want to rush the roleplay because they might have something unplanned or might not have much time left.
Sadly, this was a lazy move pulled by those FBI members. Probably they could stick around some more experienced role-players to learn some new things.
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I do it on cop duty and i am pretty sure I will get in trouble
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Haha better than chester Campbell's high quality Rex roleplay. An imaginary dog that can kill armies and fuck everyone on just a whistle.
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The problem is that the dog is not available as a player so we needa rp that.
Medics are available as players so are preferred none npc.
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I mean on the one hand this helps the scene progress with out stopping (since there are barely medics around specialy with current activity ).
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Ever tried using /p to call rperz?
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NPC RP or also known as 3rd party role play, or generally the usage of /do is accept not only on Argonath but on several high role play servers too, it is used. While we do have a medic system, not at all times is one available, and that doesn't mean role play has to cut off, while I do disagree with the way the role play was done (2 lines of information is just terrible, if you want to role play an NPC do it properly, and actually provide someone with medical role play.)
It is not in fact against the rules to role play someone as a 3rd party, or NPC role play, role play something not actually there but available to increase general atmospheric role play, (I.E. RP a dog, cars passing by, a crowd, something that could give your current situation more 'meaning'.) which in this case was a 'FBI Doctor'.
I'll make sure to chat with the people that were involved in this situation, and get back to you with more information soon.
TLDR;
NPC or 3rd party role play is permitted but should be role played properly, if you wish to NPC role play a medic since there's none currently on duty, actually give the other party a chance to role play too, either role play that you are temporarily the medic and approach the suspect in this case, and allow him to return role play, or role play your interactions properly in /do to ensure the other party actually is able to interact too, rather than force something up on him.
What is shown in the chat logs above is not permitted, since there's little to no role play seen at all.
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I would argue that simulating injuries that extend so far as to requiring immediately medical assistance, when you know there are no available medics online could also be "metagaming" by definition, though this terminology isn't strictly encouraged or used here.
RP is meant to be fun and somewhat realistic. Using /em to simulate an NPC medic is no less realistic within the bounds of roleplay than a cop who suddenly turns out to have a degree in medicine and is a skilled paramedic.
People stick to these "rigid" rules to serve their own intention. Had you have wanted to rush away then I'm sure this topic wouldn't have been created and you'd have been as happy as a pig in it's own s***.
If you want to RP with lots of different people, then you really need to extend the definition in your own mind in my opinion.
Medic RP is boring to a lot of people. If they're not a medic, and there are no other medics available. Don't force it. If you strictly want to argue about these "powergaming" and "metagaming" concepts, then even calling a medic in /p would be incorrect. Another example of people using a "hard-line" to benefit their own agenda.
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Haha better than chester Campbell's high quality Rex roleplay. An imaginary dog that can kill armies and fuck everyone on just a whistle.
made my day :lol:
Last I remember FBI agents used to be trained with basic first aid knowledge to handle situations like this, don't know about now though. I think your warning is completely wrong though and you're not in the wrong in any way for reasons Julio already stated.
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So basically FBI agents did a huge mistake by doing poor roleplay and as if that wasn't enough, their leader which is a staff member, punished a "criminal" because his people barely showed roleplay purposes.
The community's mentality of "cops are completely innocent" and "criminals are always guilty" should be erased, in my opinion.
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That's not power-gaming, beyond potentially the "making him a treatment".
To he honest, what? I mean seriously...you clearly had an agenda of your own which is evidenced by deciding to put it on here.
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So basically FBI agents did a huge mistake by doing poor roleplay and as if that wasn't enough, their leader which is a staff member, punished a "criminal" because his people barely showed roleplay purposes.
The community's mentality of "cops are completely innocent" and "criminals are always guilty" should be erased, in my opinion.
Correction: I punished him because he was unable to roleplay even though the roleplay is shitty, he even admitted that he can't be assed to roleplay and said to issue him a warning. Also, be it cops or criminals, we as staff members will not be biased and be one sided. If you are not area of it, I do punish cops too if they failed to follow the server rule.
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Correction: I punished him because he was unable to roleplay even though the roleplay is shitty, he even admitted that he can't be assed to roleplay and said to issue him a warning. Also, be it cops or criminals, we as staff members will not be biased and be one sided. If you are not area of it, I do punish cops too if they failed to follow the server rule.
Instead of giving a punishment you could help both parties to continue their roleplay scenario which your boys led it to be "shitty" as you said. But no, let's just throw punishments without investigating and getting a clear look of the situation itself.
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Last I remember FBI agents used to be trained with basic first aid knowledge to handle situations like this, don't know about now though.
You should focus on training your people to roleplay if you can't handle both this and your staff postition then.. I'm sorry. You should be responsible for their doings and not punish someone just because the RP didnt go as your people wanted to. Let's get butthurt and report people for asking for a better roleplay? Yeah that's a shit idea. No offence, just a friendly note.:)
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Correction: I punished him because he was unable to roleplay even though the roleplay is shitty, he even admitted that he can't be assed to roleplay and said to issue him a warning.
He probably couldn't be asked because of the "shitty" roleplay as you said yourself. Which he has every right not to be, someone should not be forced to roleplay with people with a winning mentality who are only roleplaying things not for fun but for things which serve their purpose.
And he told you to issue a warning so you issued it? L-o-L.
Since when were punishments issued on request.
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Not sure why are you both butthurt, feel free submit complain about me if you think I am being biased.
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What is shown in the chat logs above is not permitted, since there's little to no role play seen at all.
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Not sure why are you both butthurt, feel free submit complain about me if you think I am being biased.
What is shown in the chat logs above is not permitted, since there's little to no role play seen at all.
You were biased, that has already been established. We're only pointing our what you did wrong as you do on a discussion topic to help you understand why but clearly it isn't working.
>told how he's wrong.
>server leader said he's wrong
>still not going to accept it because ego too big.
Aight...
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NPCs are fine and should be allowed as long as they do not tilt the balance of Roleplay toward one of the sides. For example heading to the Pershing Square bar, since it's a State one you can RP a bartender who servers the people. Or you head down to East LS Carwash and RP some kid washing your vehicle while you and your mates are in it.
NPC Doctors and K9 units etc. do tilt the RP to the Law Enforcement's side. Which is an aspect of powergaming and should not be allowed.