RS4 won't bring back people, the environment and ideology when RS4 was a thing will.That's true, but some veterans and newbies act like retards which is why most of people don't join, and the other have issues with HQ. Some are banned. That's it. Ideology and environment will bring back, but it can't just come back by itself, so we need to do. And, for a big note, people in SA:MP don't have anything to do rather than driving around, grinding meth, and growing weed. Some RP, some don't. How about removing all those Market Mall things? Would be pretty good, and if people say come and do nothing, well. You make up jobs but hey, you RP anytime, and if rules are strict, I'm pretty sure people will come. (Everybody has his/her opinions, I am sharing mine, so no need to make a mess) :)
People are growing up , thats what is going on.
We had 60 ppl average for like a month (not Christmas or a holiday) in RS5 and brining an old script won't change anythingThat's the peak, back in the day that was lower than the average.
Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer games
another reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.
90/1000 just means that the playerbase is waaaaaay too low, most of the servers that have 1000/1000 are just full of bots not players.Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer gamesanother reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.
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It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.
Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P
Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.
There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.
I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.
About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?
Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.
About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.
Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.
No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login. Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P
Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.
There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.
I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.
About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?
Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.
About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.
Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.
No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login. Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.
No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login. Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.No. Ban 1 trollers and all his friends will never login. Ban 1 dmer and all his group will never login. Its is not simple at all. If we were gonna go for instantly ban people then we would have anyone left in the server. We try to make people understand their wrongdoings. If someone wants to be stubborn as hell, then we can go with a more harsher punishment.
No. Ban 1 trollers and all his friends will never login. Ban 1 dmer and all his group will never login. Its is not simple at all. If we were gonna go for instantly ban people then we would have anyone left in the server. We try to make people understand their wrongdoings. If someone wants to be stubborn as hell, then we can go with a more harsher punishment.
Since people love to cry about "Verbal Warnings". Yes we do give allot of verbal warnings. I myself give a shit tone of verbal warnings. But If I see the same shit happening again from the same people No more verbal warnings. If you want us to be strict, sure we can be. But dont start bitching or crying for being too harsh.
Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer gamesanother reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.
(https://i.imgur.com/xGnqHnF.png)
It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.
Read... Most of them are just bots, I personally visited servers like that and hackers were everywhere.Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer gamesanother reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.
(https://i.imgur.com/xGnqHnF.png)
It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.
Holy shit those server at top got like 555 players online, i bet they do updates every week or something haha
How can you be sure for that? we should have to improve ourselves and how we pattern first, and I'm sure new players or other things will come on this server and also ban someone will not change anything.No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login. Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P
Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.
There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.
I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.
About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?
Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.
About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.
Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.
a light rp serverGet rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.
I respect you work as a staff member and it's not directed to you by any mean.Well I rather investigate a report even for days if necesaary and at the end explain everything to both parties and then punish people then gping for straight bans and shit like that.
But current punishing is broken I see no reason for a veteran that DMed to be verbally warned unless it's a tricky situation and he really didn't acknowledge the fact he is DMing. but I see countless times when Veterans are getting away with the most basic rule breaking and this is f**ked up. When a new player logs in he is looking at the veteran behavior and every new player I try to help out PMes me a few days later that a group hunts him won't mention which groups but mostly it goes around the same pattern and when such groups of veterans are going around destroying first impression for new players you won't see the playerbase growing. instead of focusing on bringing old veterans back create new ones. leaving this community is hard enough for old veterans due to amount of friends and connections you create here if they left they had a good reason.
I respect you work as a staff member and it's not directed to you by any mean.Well I rather investigate a report even for days if necesaary and at the end explain everything to both parties and then punish people then gping for straight bans and shit like that.
But current punishing is broken I see no reason for a veteran that DMed to be verbally warned unless it's a tricky situation and he really didn't acknowledge the fact he is DMing. but I see countless times when Veterans are getting away with the most basic rule breaking and this is f**ked up. When a new player logs in he is looking at the veteran behavior and every new player I try to help out PMes me a few days later that a group hunts him won't mention which groups but mostly it goes around the same pattern and when such groups of veterans are going around destroying first impression for new players you won't see the playerbase growing. instead of focusing on bringing old veterans back create new ones. leaving this community is hard enough for old veterans due to amount of friends and connections you create here if they left they had a good reason.
I personaly am not the kind of staff member that instantly warns or bans people without a good reasoning behind it. I understand that Veterans do also break rules but if there is nothing serious on their wrongdoings i chose to leave a verbal warning behind it. But if its done again then I go harsher.
Now about thr new players. I do respect the idea to bring new players in the server. BUT lets both me and you place ourselves in the place of a new player. Do you see the server being a roleplay server or a freeroam/dm server. I personally wouldnt see it as a roleplay server. Not with main chat and blips in it. Like I mentioned on a post above. We need roleplay rules and standarts to make Argonath a better place for new players. And for the hope to return the old veterans.
No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login. Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.No. Ban 1 trollers and all his friends will never login. Ban 1 dmer and all his group will never login. Its is not simple at all. If we were gonna go for instantly ban people then we would have anyone left in the server. We try to make people understand their wrongdoings. If someone wants to be stubborn as hell, then we can go with a more harsher punishment.
Since people love to cry about "Verbal Warnings". Yes we do give allot of verbal warnings. I myself give a shit tone of verbal warnings. But If I see the same shit happening again from the same people No more verbal warnings. If you want us to be strict, sure we can be. But dont start bitching or crying for being too harsh.
Us, the veterans must teach the new ones, and others to RP properly and make them enjoy their time.Kacper's got a point. Start encouraging roleplay scenarios, from the most simple ones, teach new players, that's how things will change.
If we don't make a change, no one will.
Let's be honest.. the client nor the game is dying. The server's environment had became toxic recently and players only farm money and do gang wars with their virtual enemies which is based on no roleplay interaction.
If the server wants to improve, it's not scripts. It's players. Players will need to change, and countless topics were made regarding this yet no improvement from anyone of us (including myself, so I'm not pointing any fingers to anyone). If you want the roleplay in the server to improve, start roleplaying minor things.. car crashes, flat car tire, selling hotdogs, limosine services, taxi services.. hangouts with your homies at Pershing Square.. be creative, don't see cops as an enemy and your enemies written in your topic as actual enemies. Don't interact with the tag or it's color, interact with how player dresses and talks. You're a criminal and see a cop? Use your mind, don't start provoking him to eventually start a shootout.. don't look at players as toys to pass time with and test your aiming ability at.. that isn't what a roleplay server is for.
Administrative approach had been strict, but no results were done simply because players do not want to change. The solution isn't in banning, the solution isn't in punishing.. it's in you changing your own self, your own groups. Take the initiative and see how it ends.. don't claim it'll never work when you're just sitting infront of your computer doing nothing, because it'll definitely not work if you're not going to move a finger muscle trying to roleplay.
There are also 3 kinds of veterans;
1- The one trolling around just to annoy people (we have a lot of them)
2- The one that takes the new player and shows him around and tells him what the server has and what it offers and lets him choose what he wants to do and what he joins.
3- The one that takes the new player, teaches him how to make drugs and tells him to sell the drugs to him for low prices, basically enslaving him for his own benefit then get him in shootouts when he gets killed eventually by another rival group, and the new player starts hating that rival group since this very veteran says that they've been fighting like that since years (new player will get the impression of how he firstly died by that rival group), and then the new player starts getting into trouble with staff team until he gets bored and leave or get a long record of punishments till he gets banned.
From this you should understand who cares and who doesn't, who are the people that are contributing and who aren't, who are making constant fights with the others for pity reasons like being kicked from another group/clan and those who have some other hatred about a punishment from 9 months ago. These are the ones who are ruining the small numbers of new players we have and that's been since years now. Building takes a lot of time but destroying something happens instantly, sadly from our part it's been years of destruction meaning it will take much longer to rebuild.
The community itself is killing the playerbase, the way things are being ran, it influences people and their dedication to the server. Write as long paragraphs as you want, but thats the truth and thats why people are leaving. Pretty sure thats how 70% of people have left, If they knew something was to be found here still such as good, enjoyable, quality roleplay they'd find that time in their busy schedules to pay a visit every now n' then.Yup that's a point too you can't make a change when some one above is stopping you, or dis motivates you.
You guys seriously think veterans can do shit to save this server? Alright, let's talk without masks.(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77XWum9yH7zNkFW0/giphy.gif)
Veterans are crucial, them coming back would be good, them teaching new players would be even better.
But. Fuck knows how are new players gonna stay and veterans will come back with the current server management. And no, don't delete this post just because I'm too honest, sorry, it's just how I am. Fucking server leaders tolerating plain daily deathmatch, demoting and removing members who actually give a shit about the server from the management, who actually do good things for the players, simply because they're honest, and point shit out. Now I'm not gonna say what, but we all know the massive shit that lays in the back of the " not - biased management ". Start the change from the top, for it to affect the bottom. Thank you.As long as I didn't point out names there's no need for post to be removed.
Oh, and if a Server leader wants more information, my PM is open.
Do you want to talk about mentality? I'm giving away my opinion, don't come with your low IQ arguments towards me, i just gave my opinion and you should know already argonath rpg is a light rp server, even if you try forcing people to roleplay there will be always a guy ruining it.a light rp serverGet rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.
Well sorry if you got offended, wasn't meant to you, it's just the general mentality.Do you want to talk about mentality? I'm giving away my opinion, don't come with your low IQ arguments towards me, i just gave my opinion and you should know already argonath rpg is a light rp server, even if you try forcing people to roleplay there will be always a guy ruining it.a light rp serverGet rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.
that's when administration gets useful.does it?
To be honest I respect the administration these days a lot. They all do their job properly. :app: I've alredy said who doesn't.that's when administration gets useful.does it?
God damn, its live.And still on going
Let's be honest.. the client nor the game is dying. The server's environment had became toxic recently and players only farm money and do gang wars with their virtual enemies which is based on no roleplay interaction.Change is a two-way game. You cannot sit and play Gandhi expecting everything will be fixed with time. Fun thing is a majority of server thinks and feels mafia RP is hunting and killing people with 2 lines of roleplay(that too often fake and added while editing). Same goes for cops, oh look there's a weed field, lets shoot down everyone!
If the server wants to improve, it's not scripts. It's players. Players will need to change, and countless topics were made regarding this yet no improvement from anyone of us (including myself, so I'm not pointing any fingers to anyone).
Argonath biggest problem through out history was poor management of the server.
And I'm not talking about the owners here, they just provide the policy that the HQ follows.
We lost more veterans then, then we did with the arrival of RS5.
Stay on topic or get out. That means from the server, too.yo i dont see your name on board moderators, don't act bossy pls
People are growing up , thats what is going on.
People are growing up , thats what is going on.
Very true, I've brought my two real life friends to the server, More incoming.. What I prefer is, Invite atleast one of your friend and server will bloom again, and will be like it was before.
People are growing up , thats what is going on.
Very true, I've brought my two real life friends to the server, More incoming.. What I prefer is, Invite atleast one of your friend and server will bloom again, and will be like it was before.
Oh no please, I do care about my mates, I don't wana drag them to this mess anymore.
haha i agree,,,we alreafy got 80 percent pakistani HAHAHA
First of all the guy who made this topic should ask the guys who are leading this server currently that do they care about server or no. If they do then open this topic otherwise no need of this type of topic.Tbh with you, I personally was writing a draft based on everyday's problems and frustrations from players, rewriting few rules now and then in a document on my computer, progress was slow as I was busy doing other things for the server including my busy schedule in real life but I removed the whole document.
If they care, they should work in hurry these days, i mean in scripting/mapping/punishing and rewriting of rules, because they got no time, server is dying on regular basis
and whyI will disclose all the information soon when I'm done writing what I'm going to post, will be transparency at its finest. ;)