Really sad to see this server dying

[James]

You guys seriously think veterans can do shit to save this server? Alright, let's talk without masks.
Veterans are  crucial, them coming back would be good, them teaching new players would be even better.

But. Fuck knows how are new players gonna stay and veterans will come back with the current server management. And no, don't delete this post just because I'm too honest, sorry, it's just how I am. Fucking server leaders tolerating plain daily deathmatch, demoting and removing members who actually give a shit about the server from the management, who actually do good things for the players, simply because they're honest, and point shit out. Now I'm not gonna say what, but we all know the massive shit that lays in the back of the " not - biased management ". Start the change from the top, for it to affect the bottom. Thank you.

Spoiler for Hiden:

As long as I didn't point out names there's no need for post to be removed.

Oh, and if a Server leader wants more information, my PM is open.

[Mr. Goobii]

Well, some veterans have problem with their brains. So it doesn't apply on ALL the veterans, only a few.

[Jairo.]

a light rp server

Get rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.

Do you want to talk about mentality? I'm giving away my opinion, don't come with your low IQ arguments towards me, i just gave my opinion and you should know already argonath rpg is a light rp server, even if you try forcing people to roleplay there will be always a guy ruining it.

[Darty]

a light rp server

Get rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.

Do you want to talk about mentality? I'm giving away my opinion, don't come with your low IQ arguments towards me, i just gave my opinion and you should know already argonath rpg is a light rp server, even if you try forcing people to roleplay there will be always a guy ruining it.

Well sorry if you got offended, wasn't meant to you, it's just the general mentality.
How many times do I have to say this? Light roleplay doesn't mean that you don't have to roleplay at all. It means you just don't need to detail to the most smallest things ( people who actually care to roleplay still do it ), but if someone doesn't roleplay at all, that's when administration gets useful.

[Kacper_Gorski]

that's when administration gets useful.

does it?

[Darty]

that's when administration gets useful.

does it?

To be honest I respect the administration these days a lot. They all do their job properly.  I've alredy said who doesn't.

[Hevar.]

i think only this that bas been old is @Grimbeorn so lets replace him as community leader with me.


So jalla Carbon let me take over hahaha =)

[Norrage]

Let me give you two words to think about.

Toxicity and attitude.

[Aiden.]

God damn, its live.

Here is how things work on this specific server. Lets assume a person who is really busy with his real life work, he gets very rare time in which he wants to play and hangout with his friends on a gaming platform. Hold on! Not only for his fun but that particular person gives his time at helping new players at the server to keep that shit up.

All of a sudden, he sees a person who is having extreme superiority complex issues with him. Yes my friends, you read it right "Superiority Complex". Server is actually dying because of just these two words. Rescind this issue from top and you will have your server back active.

[Deka]

God damn, its live.

And still on going

[TheRock]

Haven't been online in a long time due to busy lifestyle, however 5 out of 10 times I ever visited the server last year was because it was a getaway from real life, which in short terms means relax, listen to radio and just drive.. drive to nowhere, no interactions - chat. And judging from the least times I tend to actually spend time valuable and interact with people, there would always be some damn troll fucking around just annoying people who wanted a short or long roleplay interaction.

[Matt Murdock]

Let's be honest.. the client nor the game is dying. The server's environment had became toxic recently and players only farm money and do gang wars with their virtual enemies which is based on no roleplay interaction.

If the server wants to improve, it's not scripts. It's players. Players will need to change, and countless topics were made regarding this yet no improvement from anyone of us (including myself, so I'm not pointing any fingers to anyone).

Change is a two-way game. You cannot sit and play Gandhi expecting everything will be fixed with time. Fun thing is a majority of server thinks and feels mafia RP is hunting and killing people with 2 lines of roleplay(that too often fake and added while editing). Same goes for cops, oh look there's a weed field, lets shoot down everyone!

So Mafias - "We dominate this turf, kill anyone that enters for "TAX". Grow weed fields. We killed 15 cops today. Good job."
Cops - "Lets make patrol reports, and check weed fields. We killed 15 weed growers today."

Where's the creativity?

Now, I am not sure of RS4, But the server is definitely returning to 2016 where the server was gang wars and cops and robbers. Goodluck with that.

[Dangerous]

There are so many reasons of why is the server dying. It will soon have almost no players if it keeps going this way.
But I also think that the main reason why players don't stick to Argonath is because of the difference between a new player and a regular player.

A new player is like a 16 years old with no parents having to work and later go to college at the same time, taking care of his younger sister, it's painful. It's extremely difficult to make money as a new player. Why I'm only talking about money? Because if a new player sees progress he finds motivation into playing more and more.

Life of a new player in short words: Everyone around him driving expensive vehicles not affording any house, everyone having a full armour no idea where to go and what to do first, a almost non-existent fire department and even that with bad pays, useless jobs since everyone eventually sticks to drugs or casinos.
I'm not saying that we should be making money as fast as a blink, but in such awful times that we're facing, it's kinda recommended to lower these demands and make the life of new players easier even with the risk of ruining the economy as an attempt to make the few new players that we meet from time to time stick to this community

A lot can be done. It's only up to the administration whether it will do something or not.
We keep making useless topics which are often to be ignored. Wake up before it's too late.

[Cofiliano]

Argonath biggest problem through out history was poor management of the server.

And I'm not talking about the owners here, they just provide the policy that the HQ follows.

Past HQs, with few exceptions, never really thought and cared enough (judging only by their actions not words) about the actual future and development of the server, most of them were just brushing their HQ status like a trophy, and enjoyed the popularity ride, some were trying hard, but they burned out because they realize they have no support, and for some, we still wish they just didn't do anything, because they caused more damage then all their co-wokers hard job through their HQ period, and some HQs were simply not there in the right time.

When Argonath was on its glory age, they just continue harvesting on that, without actually pushing an effort for the next level in the evolution of Argonath, pushing it up on a middle roleplay server with 150-200 server, that was suppose to be their guideline and their goal, instead most of them(again, with exceptions among HQ teams, and with individual exceptions among bad HQs) were just playing around from day to day, not thinking further then themselves.

Lack of vision, lack of understanding social processes, lack of knowledge and actual plan how to develop server further.

Its simple, put an idiot with a nuclear weapon button, see what happens.

And you can find among archive, a huge number of topics from 09/10/etc/, mostly open'd by the most respectable veterans of the Community, specially when it comes to their roleplay, people who were constantly pointing those things out, suggesting things that would develop Argonath based on the potential it had, but they were completely ignored as "Ppl who dont understand the vision topkek".

The first and only HQ that actually were working on Argonath long term, with an actual idea, and plan, how to push it to the next level when it comes to every aspect(scripts, roleplay standards, social relations, etc) of the Community, was Devin/Teddy/Rusty, their problem was, (except for the chaotic pressure they were put on) they were placed in the HQ in the wrong time, when the server was already dead, yet they made it strong, up and running, with an average activity that's higher then these days, yet they started from 5 players average, and this was just suppose to be the start(you all remember those fancy updates Teddy brought in, more importantly, there was a path, there was a plan, you could simply go to a panel and check which script development is being worked on, how far is the process, when its schedule etc) players liked playing on Argonath, because it had a PLAN for future, and most importantly, they knew to listen to the Community, and provide them with things they were ignored for years, they understood pretty good all the problems and issues that criminal groups are facing, but as well as LEO players. If you take a look, most of the scripts and things that were changed, was done by the ideas/initiative of the players, which they would accept, support, and work on getting it implemented.

In my honest opinion, if people like Devin, Teddy, Rusty, were running Argonath during late RS4 phase, and they actually implemented it, we wouldn't lose a single player because "Rs4 is gone".

Unfortunately, they got burned out because of the pressure, and they all left, but the problem is not about the three of them leaving, the problem is that just like them, a huge number of veteran burned out as well, and just gave up on it.

We lost more veterans then, then we did with the arrival of RS5.

[Hevar.]

Argonath biggest problem through out history was poor management of the server.

And I'm not talking about the owners here, they just provide the policy that the HQ follows.



We lost more veterans then, then we did with the arrival of RS5.

*coughs* Kessu *coughs*