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GTA:VC => Vice City - City Hall => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP Courts => Topic started by: Nylez on June 26, 2018, 11:20:38 am
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Respected Judge,
as the owner of one of the warehouses in the city of Vice City I have a request.
In recent history there have been raids against people all over the city, this has also occurred in warehouses.
My request, and I hope that other warehouse owners will support me on this, is that when a criminal gets caught storing illegals in one of our warehouses, that the court no longer summons a warrant that allows every tenant to be searched for illegals. There is an exception to be made if it's proven to be a warehouse that's used for organised crime.
The reason behind this is that I have a business to run. I am supposed to make sure the privacy of every tenant holder in my warehouse is optimal. Innocent civilians using my warehouse to store their legally acquired weaponry only to be used for self defense, is something that should be supported by the law as well.
So as a summary of my request:
I request, to the court of Law, that warrants for the entirety of a warehouse are ONLY issued when there is evidence beyond a doubt that the facility in question is used for organised crime!
I'm prepared to answer any more questions the court has for me, and I want to thank the court ahead of time for their time regarding this case.
Signed,
Nylez
Owner of Cam's Can Openers.
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Though I am not a warehouse owner but I am a warehouse tenant so i fully support this....
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I Jack Williams supports this cause as this invades the privacy of countless innocent civilians. Police brutality is a major issue and this is a part of it.
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I agree with said proposition, but I'd also like to propose an addition.
If police have the need to raid a warehouse, the owner would need to terminate the contract of the tenant immediately and if the scenario happens again, warehouse owner should be facing heavy charges for collaborating with said criminal as well as possibly losing the warehouse.
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I, Kowalski hereby sign this petition with an AGREED post.
Sincerely,
Kowalski
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I agree with said proposition, but I'd also like to propose an addition.
If police have the need to raid a warehouse, the owner would need to terminate the contract of the tenant immediately and if the scenario happens again, warehouse owner should be facing heavy charges for collaborating with said criminal as well as possibly losing the warehouse.
I, as an owner, warn every new tenant holder beforehand about the storage of illegals and if they're caught, I'll remove them from the premises forever. So I fully support this addition!
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To me the law should remain as it is, where if a warehouse is found to harbour illegal items the entire warehouse is emptied and the owner and whoever else is caught redhanded is charged. BUT warehouse owners should and need to have full scope of all tenants storages because whats unfair is the warehouse owner is unable to really be aware of illegal items stored there and cannot police his tenants and cover his own ass. Good warehouse owners would build a reputation for being strict and keeping a close eye on his tenants to avoid getting his tenants raided due to some dirty dimbat storing illegal items. It should be the owners responsibility to police his tenants and ensure no illegal items are under his roof otherwise hes breaking the law himself.
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As the prosecutor in the name of the state, I object to this proposal.
Your Honor,
If one tenant is caught storing unlawful items in their storage, practice shows that it is indeed very likely that several other tenants might have them as well. The problem with such proposal is that organised crime entities often use warehouses to store their illegal rewards. As has been observed in the Leone case, due to the law being as it is now, we were able to locate illegal items on more than one tenant, out of whom all were part of the Leones.
Your Honor, with all due respect to the citizen, I believe that motivation of such proposal are far from good-willed. I wish to inquire the court that the man promoting this change has been himself found in posession of illegal items when his warehouse was raided because of evidence collected on one of his tenants. Therefore, it is not easy to infer the eagerness to change this law.
In our opinion in the Bureau, such a change would allow organised crime families to roam the streets untouched.
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I agree with said action and I have nothign to say to encounter your statement with.
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As the prosecutor in the name of the state, I object to this proposal.
Your Honor,
If one tenant is caught storing unlawful items in their storage, practice shows that it is indeed very likely that several other tenants might have them as well. The problem with such proposal is that organised crime entities often use warehouses to store their illegal rewards. As has been observed in the Leone case, due to the law being as it is now, we were able to locate illegal items on more than one tenant, out of whom all were part of the Leones.
As I stated in my original request, this will not be prevented from happening as there was more than enough evidence regarding organised crime, allowing you to raid the entire warehouse. I am not intending to support criminal life in any way possible, instead I want to protect the innocents from those scumbags.
I am very disappointed you see this request the way you do, especially after recent good behavior towards you in the latest raid you've done at my warehouse.
I expected after that day to see some sort of gratitude and notice of innocence on my behalf.
You are a friend of innocent civilians after all, hopefully you will reconsider in the near future.
Signed,
Nylez
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As the prosecutor in the name of the state, I object to this proposal.
Your Honor,
If one tenant is caught storing unlawful items in their storage, practice shows that it is indeed very likely that several other tenants might have them as well. The problem with such proposal is that organised crime entities often use warehouses to store their illegal rewards. As has been observed in the Leone case, due to the law being as it is now, we were able to locate illegal items on more than one tenant, out of whom all were part of the Leones.
Your Honor, with all due respect to the citizen, I believe that motivation of such proposal are far from good-willed. I wish to inquire the court that the man promoting this change has been himself found in posession of illegal items when his warehouse was raided because of evidence collected on one of his tenants. Therefore, it is not easy to infer the eagerness to change this law.
In our opinion in the Bureau, such a change would allow organised crime families to roam the streets untouched.
This change would work as follows;
Nylez is warehouse owner
He has tenants called affanster, Klaus, Kessu.
Klaus then proceeds to be a moron and gets caught by the FBI. FBI asks for a warrant, judge grants it only for Klaus as you have not put up any evidence to connect any of the tenants or the owner, thus the crime being considered local and only with Klaus being the perpetrator.
Now Nylez removes Klaus as he wants to cover his own ass, but affanster decides to go be a moron instead, getting caught.
This time FBI has 1) prior raid on this warehouse with same owner 2) a proper reason to search the whole warehouse.
All tenants get raided.
Another example; Nylez warehouse owner, Klaus kessu affanster as tenants.
Nylez gets caught, FBI raids the entire warehouse straight up since it is the owners property.
Third and final example;
Nylez warehouse owner, Klaus kessu affanster as tenants.
Kessu and Klaus both get caught, entire warehouse gets raided since there would be more than one occurence of law breaks.
The law is merely a change to first time, one time offenders and anything more than that and it would pretty much work like it does now.
This would also become even more valid change with script support added for warehouse owners to police the tenants themselves and report possible crimes.
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I, Rasta hereby sign this petition with an AGREED post.
Sincerely,
Rasta
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My "personal storage" was shown to the public which contained no illegal stuff is that I'm disappointed of. It was during the Leone raid and I had no clue.
I, Daniel, sign this petition and I agree with it.
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as a citizen of vice city, I agree with this petition.
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I as a citizen of Vice city, though I'm homeless. I do agree with this petition.
Signed,
Al Svensson
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I, Lorenzo agree to this
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Agreed. Let's go with it for now.
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Agreed, I think it will be cool.
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Applying the standard of reasonable doubt to search warrants is an unreasonably high burden of proof to place on the state. Search warrants are supposed to be issued when there is probable cause, or justifiable suspicion, that a crime has taken place. Requiring evidence beyond a reasonable doubt would mean that prosecutors must conclusively prove that an entire warehouse is used for illegal purposes before they can search the entire warehouse; the logic here is circular.
However, the protection you're petitioning for is already granted by the State Constitution. Search and seizure of property is only allowed if there is a reasonable doubt that the property is used for illegal purposes. Moreover, if a citizen rents a storage unit, if their lease is valid, and if their lease does not allow the warehouse owner to inspect the unit without consent, then the unit is effectively the property of the renter and not the warehouse owner.
It is therefore the opinion of the Court that
- Under Section III, Ordinance II of the State Constitution, any sweeping search of a storage facility that includes storage units which the State has no probable cause to search is illegal.
- Under Section III, Act IV of the State Constitution, the State may search multiple units if it can demonstrate a tenant's ties to organized crime and a conspiracy by said organization to commit a crime.
Stormeus
Chief Justice
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I fully accept these changes and I appreciate the Court of Justice to have spent the time to work on this case.
Signed,
Nylez
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