Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Call_me_Dad on June 18, 2008, 10:15:59 pm
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Well option 2 for me..
I dont believe anything thats not scientific or i see with my own eyes
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Well, you can't see air, but you can breathe it ... I believe in God.
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i wish i believed there was one, but when something happens twice that is very rare, i think hmm....this isn't just coincidence....
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Well.. I chose to believe in god (im not christian or in any other religion..), because if he exist, and you didnt believe in him.. Youre fu#¤ed. :D
But its hard when bad sh#t happens
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Yeah i belive in god...
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I dont believe in God, but i believe in faith though. Faith and Concious
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I dont belive in "god" (as being the cristian god or Allah) because people say if you dont belive in him youl go to hell. If there is a god and he is such and ignorant guy that he thinks he can make us go to hell and let us suffer for all of time just because we dont belive in him (and make everything look like he is not real) he is a 'not so nice person' and I dont belive that praying to a 'not so nice person' will make you a better person.
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I dont believe in God, but i believe in faith though. Faith and Concious
A possible QFT.
Due to my knowledge of harsh opinions on this subject, I'll just stay out of this subject as to not offend anyone.
I'll be more than happy to tell you in PM's though.
My Answer: No.
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guess i was the only one to put "worship a little for luck" wouldn't say worship:P but if I'm in a very very bad situation i will think in my head "please god pull me out of this one"
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i am too smart to believe in a god, i was raised as christian,
but since high school i laerned that god is bullshit,
nope, you have to come with prove of a god, not any prove of a god, yet
all things from bible can be explained with sience so that doesnt help too,
i believe in the evolution, because there is prove of evolution, so why not with humans?
my answer is, of course, NO i dont believe in god
and believe in god is only bad, see all religion wars,
muslims think they should kill all ppl for there god, and with that they get war with western(christian) countries
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and believe in god is only bad, see all religion wars,
muslims think they should kill all ppl for there god, and with that they get war with western(christian) countries
Uh oh...
In before Shitstorm.
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i am too smart to believe in a god, i was raised as christian,
but since high school i laerned that god is bullshit,
nope, you have to come with prove of a god, not any prove of a god, yet
all things from bible can be explained with sience so that doesnt help too,
i believe in the evolution, because there is prove of evolution, so why not with humans?
my answer is, of course, NO i dont believe in god
and believe in god is only bad, see all religion wars,
muslims think they should kill all ppl for there god, and with that they get war with western(christian) countries
OH MY GHAD IT'S A SHIT STORM!!!! people grab your coats!!! your umbrellas put your hats on!!! i advise you edit your post young man!
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Thats a very hard question to answer...
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ITS COMING SOON! (Hopefully)
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Thats a very hard question to answer...
And a very touchy subject
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I believe in god, and i'm christian :)
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muslims think they should kill all ppl for there god, and with that they get war with western(christian) countries
You think all Muslims are Murderers and Terrorists?
No I am not a Murderer or terrorist or Killer for religion.
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No I am not a Murderer or terrorist or Killer for religion.
You'd be surprised how many Christians I've seen in my life act like that though in America (Maybe other countries too).
They go balls out if you even say one thing to disrespect their religion.
Just like my Sister...
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I believe in God, But sometimes I have several questions on my head which sometimes make me doubt a bit, Like:
- If God is a very nice person, and he is the Good itself, and we are his sons, then why he let this world to be so corrupt and let that the 90% of people be bad?
-If God is really the ruler of this world, Why he let Satan destroy and corrupt his "beautiful creation"?
-Why he just make the bad people go to hell and suffer eternally when Bible says that God love all of us? Yea the bad people should be punished yea, but not in a "hell" eternally :S, Like a father torturing his son forever, wounding him to death everyday, because he just did a bad thing, and then using the excuse: "I do this for your best, Son."
So, I can't say No, But I can't say 100% yes, Maybe God really exists, Maybe not. So I will just vote "Yes", As I can not say that I do not believe in God 0%, I do believe in him, but have these questions still :neutral:
EDIT: Fixed some typos
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I believe in god, but i am not much church person. I think it is private thing and not anybody else business.
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i am not much church person
Me too, I Barely ever go to church
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I believe in God, But sometimes I have several questions on my head which sometimes make me doubt a bit, Like:
-If God is really the ruler of this world, Why he let Satan destroy and corrupt his "beautiful creation"?
As you said ,God let the Satan be the ruler of evil,Now people that are bad is their own choice...Thats why,
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I believe in God, But sometimes I have several questions on my head which sometimes make me doubt a bit, Like:
- If God is a very nice person, and he is the Good itself, and we are his sons, then why he let this world to be so corrupt and let that the 90% of people be bad?
-If God is really the ruler of this world, Why he let Satan destroy and corrupt his "beautiful creation"?
-Why he just let the bad people go to hell and suffer eternally when Bible says that God love all of us? Like a father torturing his son forever, wounding him to death everyday, because he just did a bad thing, and then using the excuse: "I do this for your best, Son."
So, I can't say No, But I can't say 100% yes, Maybe God really exists, Maybe not. So I will just vote "Yes", As I can not deny that I do not believe in God 0%, I do believe in him, but have these questions still :neutral:
The concept of a 'God' has nothing to do with the Bible. You're noting the flaws in Christianity.
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I don't believe in god. I believe in fate
Everything happens for a reason.
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Sorry for this question, But what you mean with that? (Remember that I am still learning english :P)
Like, instead of showing problems with God's existance, you've shown problems with the Bible. A 'God' dosn't have to be the Christian God.
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*Requesting Topic Lock*
This is a very sensitive subject to discuss here...These are Argonath RPG forums not People & Religions.
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Dont read, if offended..
the Christan Faith is extremely hypocritical
And no I don't believe in god.
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Dont read, if offended..
the Christan Faith is extremely Hipocrital
And no I don't believe in god.
I really believe that it is not the best thing to make a topic like that here...I'm not doing that for myself...
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yeah atheist can be stubbron and uptight.
and christianss can be crazy.
but i do believe in God.
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Wael if you do not agree with this topic, nobody is forcing you to read it.
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No.
God made the world in 7 days? = Sp33dh4x.
I believe in facts.. not something a really old due wrote down in a bigass book which is basically a fantasy novel..
If God really existed.. he'd be a stupid guy.. apparently he creates his perfect world.. and then created us..
we are so IMPERFECT that we could not have possibly been made from something perfect.. God is just
an easy answer for people who can't be bothered to do the research to find out the true start of life...
Does that mean all people who believe in him are lazy, and can't be bothered? No.. it just means that
they are taking the easy way out.. do some research based on facts.. see what you find.
I also find that religion is just mind control " Hey.. do all of this shit listed here.. if you don't follow this.. you're a sinner and get to burn in eternal flames.. w00t! "
Sorry.. seems a bit obvious..
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yup maxy i see where your coming from. an obvious answer for atheist about religion......but a stupid one as well.
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I do believe in God, But what I said on my post was just questions I had about some of Christianity stuff, With that I am not saying that I dont believe in God. I believe in him...
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I believe in God, But sometimes I have several questions on my head which sometimes make me doubt a bit, Like:
- If God is a very nice person, and he is the Good itself, and we are his sons, then why he let this world to be so corrupt and let that the 90% of people be bad?
-If God is really the ruler of this world, Why he let Satan destroy and corrupt his "beautiful creation"?
-Why he just make the bad people go to hell and suffer eternally when Bible says that God love all of us? Yea the bad people should be punished yea, but not in a "hell" eternally :S, Like a father torturing his son forever, wounding him to death everyday, because he just did a bad thing, and then using the excuse: "I do this for your best, Son."
So, I can't say No, But I can't say 100% yes, Maybe God really exists, Maybe not. So I will just vote "Yes", As I can not say that I do not believe in God 0%, I do believe in him, but have these questions still :neutral:
EDIT: Fixed some typos
First of all,
I am a christan, and i go to church every sunday, so, to answer the topic.
Yes in bold :)
kk
Now,
Your questions.
1. God does not want to be the "Puppet master" and make us the "Puppets"
god gives us a choice.
Simple.
2. God dosen't really "Let" Satan do this.
He dosen't go
"Oh, there's satan again, doing his thing"
Well, yes, he does, but i doubt he allows it.
It goes like this
Satan-->Human-->Sin
So, basically, back to answer one.
God gives us a choice.
3. Once again. You have a choice to follow god or not.
If you belive Jesus died for you = Hevean
If you don't = Hell
Its basic as that.
I hope that answered a bit for you.
<3
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WEll, This is a touchy subject.
But, yeah I believe in God. I was raised a Catholic, and I still am. But, im not the perfect Catholic.
I dont go to Church EVERY sunday but, I go Every other sunday.
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I dont think it is right to be raised with an religion..let them decide..isnt that 'god' is about..I wouldnt want religion being forced down my throat every day..
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No, I don't believe in God.
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No.
God made the world in 7 days? = Sp33dh4x.
I believe in facts.. not something a really old due wrote down in a bigass book which is basically a fantasy novel..
If God really existed.. he'd be a stupid guy.. apparently he creates his perfect world.. and then created us..
we are so IMPERFECT that we could not have possibly been made from something perfect.. God is just
an easy answer for people who can't be bothered to do the research to find out the true start of life...
Does that mean all people who believe in him are lazy, and can't be bothered? No.. it just means that
they are taking the easy way out.. do some research based on facts.. see what you find.
I also find that religion is just mind control " Hey.. do all of this shit listed here.. if you don't follow this.. you're a sinner and get to burn in eternal flames.. w00t! "
Sorry.. seems a bit obvious..
you know how to say it, i agree
speedhax, yep xD,
(modern)humans and dinosaurs never lived together
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I think religion is the biggest scam ever
I do agree with maxy in his vieuws and would like to ad that I think religion came about as a way to keep the peace in the old days (verrrrrry long ago)and to soften teh fact that we die 'ow well If you follow my rules and live like this and this you wont die' sounds like fantasy to me
Where I live people are Catholic and as such I was also "taught" to be one ..not that my mother was a believer but it "just was how it goes'
I love how people confronted with questions about god always are told the same bs storry (no offence) "God gave us free choice and doesnt interfere with evil we need to ourselves" so basically he did a lousy job and now is sitting back enjoying how we are strugling ? nice 'father'
Its also verry funny how most holy books were writen by people who did so on visions they got after starving themselves by staying in the desert without food,
and we believe everything even now??!! ..but if I would do the same proclaim myself the next profet I woul get locked up in a paded room where's the logic in THAT ?
Now I do like some of the values religion has like be kind to eachother and the typical "thou shalt not kill" etc but I dont need fear of the SUpreme GOD to live like a decent person
Id say that the budists have the best take on religion. ...as they never force it on ANYONE (ever hear of a Budah terrorist?) most other faiths do have those idiots but ill stop here oh one thing if you believe and feel offended dont say anything ..GOD will punish me , right? :devroll:
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I don't either, i believe we had a topic like this not too long ago and i'll say the same thing. This is not aimed at anyone in particular by the way.
I think if there is a God of any sort he could spare 5 minutes every year to come make an announcement. Think of all the bloodshed that could be stopped if God showed up and went "No! Bad extremist! Don't do that!" I think if there is was such a benevolant creator he could and would do something to stop people killing each other in his name. He can't be sitting there thinking "This is pretty sweet, everyone likes me so much they keep killing other people for me, i've got it made!" And if he does think like that, that's not anything i'd want to be part of.
I understand the morals and the message of belief in a God and I guess the fear/crowd control afforded by the thought of a pit of fire etc. but I like to think of it like this, just as Iggy mentioned, if i went out into the wilderness and told everyone a man in the sky talked to me, and said i would suffer for eternity if I didn't do what he said then i'd be straight to the crazy house. However if I go "No wait actually, it was God" not only to I get out of the crazy house, i'll probably get a bunch of people following me as the next prophet.
If you can't see the flaw in that system then I admire the strength of your belief and I hope you're right, remember everyone, six major religions, you can't all be right, did you pick the right one? ;)
Sure will be a bummer if it turns out you're wrong :neutral:
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my answer: nope.
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No.
God made the world in 7 days? = Sp33dh4x.
I believe in facts.. not something a really old due wrote down in a bigass book which is basically a fantasy novel..
If God really existed.. he'd be a stupid guy.. apparently he creates his perfect world.. and then created us..
we are so IMPERFECT that we could not have possibly been made from something perfect.. God is just
an easy answer for people who can't be bothered to do the research to find out the true start of life...
Does that mean all people who believe in him are lazy, and can't be bothered? No.. it just means that
they are taking the easy way out.. do some research based on facts.. see what you find.
I also find that religion is just mind control " Hey.. do all of this shit listed here.. if you don't follow this.. you're a sinner and get to burn in eternal flames.. w00t! "
Sorry.. seems a bit obvious..
Basically, we made the mistake
We ate the fruit, or w/e
We sinned first.
tada!
sin is now here.
So, its out faults :hit:
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Evolution > Religion
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I believe in Gandalf (...)
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This video helped me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
:ps: I belive in Gandalf too :bow: :gand:
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No.
There is absolutely no scientific proof for "God", and everything can always be explained, sometimes it just takes decades/centuries of research and development to have the resources to do so.
To be honest, the idea of a "God" doesn't really seem right to me. That said, I can see the comfort that the idea of religion might bring. Some people need a crutch for life, and God is that crutch. They lean on him when they don't want to deal with stuff by themselves, or when they cannot. As Pierce said, when he is in a really bad way he like says "Oh God get my out of this one.".
"God" is merely something for people to lean on in times of need. Rather, the idea of a "God". The teachings of religion are sometimes appropriate, such as 'Do not Kill', 'Do not Steal' etc. and whatever else (I don't know the commandments or w/e). However, some of those teachings are flawed. Like for example, Abstinence - I mean come on. Seriously, that isn't right. Also, some people take it too far and force it in your face (and its not just Islamic teachings, its also Christianity, and others) and that just pisses people off and makes them actually hate religion.
So sorry - Though I recognise that some teachings of religion are worth looking at, much of the stuff that goes around it is IMO rather fake and the idea of a "God" is merely a crutch for people in times of need. The fact people devote their lives to him is very sad, as it is my opinion that they are wasting their lives. When I ask them why they do it, they say "Ah, so I can go to Heaven!". But surely if you have to devote your entire life to actually have enough 'GodCredits' to get into Heaven (:lol:) then basically everyone else is going to hell. Well, I'm not going to waste my life and then die, and thats it. Or even if heaven is real, have it full of really, really religious people. I'd rather go to hell.
No, I don't believe in "God". At all. He is a crutch made by people in times of need. Thats all.
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3. Once again. You have a choice to follow god or not.
If you belive Jesus died for you = Hevean
If you don't = Hell
Its basic as that.
I hope that answered a bit for you.
Doesn't that kind off sound like terrorism?
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No, i dont believe and never will...
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I don't need to post anything here, as Maxy has said everything almost exactly how I see it. (Great minds think alike)
And if I were to choose religion, well Iggy already stated it.
You may not see your Christian Terrorists on TV crashing planes into towers, killing thousands and thousands of innocent people ( :cry: )
Just go down the street to that baptist church, or turn on the TV in America, and you'll see a guy SCREAMING about god is great and telling us we'll burn for eternity and live an eternal life of hell and pain and suffering.
That sounds like just as much terrorism to me, considering how evil some Christians turn on you when you attempt to go against the word of God.
My sister.... All it took was some guy, promising her that all her pain and suffering would be gone away with a bit of prayer in the house of god. All it took, and she turned to an evil bitch in the matter of 4 days.
And yes, just to add to my 'Terrorism' words.
"3. Once again. You have a choice to follow god or not.
If you belive Jesus died for you = Hevean
If you don't = Hell
Its basic as that.
I hope that answered a bit for you."
Indeed that is terrorism.
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YES
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I shouldnt have asked "is'nt that terrorism" because claiming a religion is bad is also terroism, you should respect everyone for what they think even
=>IF<= they dont respect you.
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C'mon it's better when you believe in him, cause when you have problems that you can't handle, you will automatically start to pray. So you will get new hope that something good happens. When you don't believe in god, and you can't handle ur problems and you don't get new hope you will end as an emo, point.
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I believe in God.
If there is some unreal fact that happened, eg. someone's cancer was cured - I have an explanation. God did it.
If you don't believe, you will have to search for answers, while I already have one.
Believing in a religion is for giving an answer to the unanswerable questions ;)
Note when Christianity was started... people didn't have so advanced science back there, but they had the same philisophic questions like how did the world start. Since they didn't have science, they only could believe in God. Now we have science - so people don't really know what to believe in. So they choose the most comfortable option for them.
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Fate is the way my brothers.
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I do believe in God, as an Orthodox. I dont go to church every sunday, but I do go to pay my respects.
Although, there are a few points I disagree on. People over centuries have stated, that it is a 'Choice' to follow God, it is at your own free will, no body is pushing you. This has got me dumbfounded, as this is the main belief of God and afterlife;
Believe in God = Heaven
Dont believe in God = Hell
I dont really think we are getting a fair choice, and it does seem like people are pushing us to believe in God, claiming it is at our own 'Free Will'. I believe in God, and always will, but there are always points which question mark me, which leaves me in a bit of doubt.
lionZ
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Am I the only agnostic on these forums? :/
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You do not need scientific proof to believe in anything. People are believing in many things that are not proven. They believe in Santa Claus, in the promises of their political leaders, that their girlfriend will love them forever.... so why not believe in God ?
Any religion is a guideline for your life, to give you moral values and to make you remember not to do bad things. However religion in the hands of leaders is a powerful tool to make people follow crazy ideas and kill each other.
There for true religion should not be in your mouth or actions. It should be in your heart. There are many ways to believe in a God, and if it helps you being a better person, you should choose the way that is closest to you. But telling to believe is not enough. Going to Church is not enough. Calling the name of your god every day is not enough.
If a God exists, judgement will be done on your deeds, not on how often you praised.
The only way to reach true religion is by carrying in in your heart, and understanding that no other person will share your view on religion and God. And the only way to reach the next spiritual level, if there is any, is by living your life trying never to harm or hate others. That is something everyone can and should follow, no matter if they need to find answers to questions that can not be answered by a attributing them to a supranatural being or not.
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I belive in god.and always will :)
i go to church evry sunday,
and make confession if i have a chance.never missed any those thing unless im sick:)
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I dont know what to answer.
I'm confused...
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Fate is the way my brothers.
"Fate is what you call it when you don't know the guy's name who screwed you over"
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First of all,
I am a christan, and i go to church every sunday, so, to answer the topic.
Yes in bold :)
kk
Now,
Your questions.
1. God does not want to be the "Puppet master" and make us the "Puppets"
god gives us a choice.
Simple.
2. God dosen't really "Let" Satan do this.
He dosen't go
"Oh, there's satan again, doing his thing"
Well, yes, he does, but i doubt he allows it.
It goes like this
Satan-->Human-->Sin
So, basically, back to answer one.
God gives us a choice.
3. Once again. You have a choice to follow god or not.
If you belive Jesus died for you = Hevean
If you don't = Hell
Its basic as that.
I hope that answered a bit for you.
<3
Ohh Thank you a lot, You made me remember also of a very important thing that I forgot to post and that may contradict your large post:
If God gave us a choice then, Why then we get punished and go to Hell for our choice? If God gave us total freedom, and then he punishes us for what we chose and rewards the others who chose what GOD Wanted then?
Totally not fair...
Basically, we made the mistake
We ate the fruit, or w/e
We sinned first.
tada!
sin is now here.
So, its out faults :hit:
It is our fault? Once again, God gave us the freedom to do what we wanted to do, Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit, and then Humanity gets punished forever (More than 46 Million of Years)? Nice "father"
Didn't we have the freedom to do what we chose? And then we get punished by our decisions? :neutral:
And to your 3rd point: Indeed that IS Terrorism...
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I dont know what to answer.
I'm confused...
same :neutral:
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UberPwner, do you believe in evolution?
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"Fate is what you call it when you don't know the guy's name who screwed you over"
Fate is basically going with the flow, an event or a course of events that will inevitably happen in the future.
Fate is the consequence of your choices.
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UberPwner, do you believe in evolution?
Wrong question. You either accept or reject a scientific theory. You either believe or not in a deity. Do not mix these two concepts...
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Wrong question. You either accept or reject a scientific theory. You either believe or not in a deity. Do not mix these two concepts...
were learning this exact shit in RS atm in year 8,
are you a teacher gandalf or what,
cuz u make more sence than mine ^o)
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Wrong question. You either accept or reject a scientific theory. You either believe or not in a deity. Do not mix these two concepts...
There are religious people who say that god put dinosours in the earth to test our fate.
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I always wonder, when was the topic "god" first talked about?
And i try to answer myself, going back a hundred centuries....
The first civilisation- Egyptians, Harappans (indus valley, now india)
I dont know much about Egyptians
But being an Indian i have studied the less known Harappan civ.
So i believe there must be some old scholars who later turned to be the founder of relegions.
They studied about human values, life and propogated terms like Karma, Peace, non violience etc.
But it must have challenged them how to propagate there teachings.
Religion was the way.
Maybe they got some followers, they teached them everything they knew. it was the education at that time
No proves, No derivations, No reasons just experimentation and experience.
So heres i think relegion started with the founders just creating an Image called "God", and people worshipping it.
Well, it really helped them
e.g they were confident about the beliefs of their teachers,
The founders aiming for goodwill told them to worship god for good luck
they did, confidently...
and the confidence bought them luck, it is the state of mind that makes you succeed
but they think that it was god
so they told there geneartions, who told there generation, who told there generations
and god is worshipped till today..
Well opinions of gods existence differs from person to person
as if, someone believes in god(confidently)
he worships god for luck (in a good state of mind, confidently),he gets lucky.... if you are confident, your mind steady in 90% cases you succeed
but IF YOU DONT SUCCEED??
well the scholars in ancient time were too good..
they told- "God helps those, who help themselves", "You must have commited a crime, so god punishes you with bad luck"
so the person recalls if he committed a sin?? yes he does, humans make mistakes
so he assumes that god will help him next time, which becomes true
his belief increases
Now there are people who dont believe in god, but they try there best...
they are always troubled by something in back of their head that says "God doesnt exist"
so they are not confident, always in doubt that will god bring them luck??
that is why they fail..." You think you will lose, you are lost"... its all in the state of mind
there disbelief increases, and one fine day they say "No god for me"
So i conclude
1. "God brings luck to those who are his pure believer"
2. "Never 'TRY' worshiping god, you'l end up bad"
3. "Your Brain is your God"
4. "Theres no Heaven or Hell"
5. "Education is the capitalism derived meaning of the ancient relegion, every relegion aims the same thing in a different language"
6. All my conclusions are based on my assumptions, so they are possibly wrong
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UberPwner, do you believe in evolution?
In my opinion. It is a load of garbage. hey, we might have slightly same DNA patterns, but
IN MY OPNION its rubbish.
Ohh Thank you a lot, You made me remember also of a very important thing that I forgot to post and that may contradict your large post:
If God gave us a choice then, Why then we get punished and go to Hell for our choice? If God gave us total freedom, and then he punishes us for what we chose and rewards the others who chose what GOD Wanted then?
Totally not fair...
It is our fault? Once again, God gave us the freedom to do what we wanted to do, Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit, and then Humanity gets punished forever (More than 46 Million of Years)? Nice "father"
Didn't we have the freedom to do what we chose? And then we get punished by our decisions? :neutral:
And to your 3rd point: Indeed that IS Terrorism...
Well, yes, thats it,
He dosent want to force you, but for you to find a way, to actually believe in it.
If if you dont.. well, you know where you go.
:rules:
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You know what's weird?
Using science to prove god's existence...
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Well, yes, thats it,
He dosent want to force you, but for you to find a way, to actually believe in it.
If if you dont.. well, you know where you go.
:rules:
Bold Text: Right, He doesn't want to force me, But You do. Thats what I hate of Christianity. If you say something against their religion, They go balls out and can not tolerate if someone's against them. I do believe in God, I do, But Am against some of Christianity facts...
Underline Text: Thats the only shield You know how to use well? Why you said that to me? Because You know what I said is true and it does contradict Christianity's facts, But It's not your fault, You were educated as Christian since you got born, Well, Hard to talk with those kind of people...
Also, I did not like what you said in the Underline text. That's what Terrorism is. "if you dont do what I tell, you die, go to hell, will suffer etternally, bla bla bla..."
Typical Christian. Didn't Jesus teach you to Respect the other's beliefs? Then please Respect us. No need to threaten us that we will go to hell... You know, Thats how Terrorists and Nazis act, And I don't think you agree with Terrorist and Nazis, Right?
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Well, you can't see air, but you can breathe it ... I believe in God.
you cant see water (if pure).. but you can feel it. you cant see air because it is pure :) and you can feel it when you inhale and exhale
i dont belivie in a single god.. but more of a group of "gods" or creation machines.. theres no proof for god, nor is there any against it/. but there is proof of the
Big Bang Theory.. which is the theory behind the cration of the universe
bottom line, i dont belive in god, i belive in science
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No.
God made the world in 7 days? = Sp33dh4x.
Maxy i have to disagree with you...At orthodox,bible says that God build everything in 7 days,not 24 hours a day...he said a day could be 1 hour or 100 years So he didnt hacked....
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I dont know what to answer.
I'm confused...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
*starts recruiting*
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you gotta think who made the big bang happen. its not just like it appeared out of jack sh*t....
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you gotta think who made the big bang happen. its not just like it appeared out of jack sh*t....
Big bang is just a theory...
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Maxy i have to disagree with you...At orthodox,bible says that God build everything in 7 days,not 24 hours a day...he said a day could be 1 hour or 100 years So he didnt hacked....
Sadly another clever workaround for the inherently flawed religious stories.
Like, how "God" put the dinosaur bones there for.. buh... fun. I guess. :cool:
you gotta think who made the big bang happen. its not just like it appeared out of jack sh*t....
Maybe "God" did exist but then he exploded? :D
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Well, it seems I evened out the votes... 25 for both sides... and Yes God is real...
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you gotta think who made the big bang happen. its not just like it appeared out of jack sh*t....
Who made god?
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Wrong question. You either accept or reject a scientific theory. You either believe or not in a deity. Do not mix these two concepts...
Just a simple miswording. The question still stands..
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I think its typical human ..we are not smart enough to explain everything so it HAS to be a GOD who did it
also typical human to look for that one alpha male ..we are told we are all equal but still people look for a big strong leader ..the idea of god gives them that leader
In the old days whe also thought the earth was flat ..and if you sailed to far you would fall off
maybe there is some power that set everything in motion , who knows ..but the typical human form of a god is in my opinion noncense because we are not smart enough to see the larger processes that take place in the universe
faith is always based on the unknown ..in older times people had gods for everything they couldnt explain fire watter the sun
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God knew all the time what's wrong and what's bad. God said to Adam and Eva DO NOT EAT THE APPLE, so this was the first rule on earth, and they ate it, even when god said NO, ITS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.
So they got punished.
God gave us the total freedom, as you can see. People gave us more rules, but you can still do what you want, or not? Nobody can hold you when you want to kill somebody, it is your freedom, YOUR DECISION, and you know what's bad and what's not bad. But then you have to live with the bad things that might happen.
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God knew all the time what's wrong and what's bad. God said to Adam and Eva DO NOT EAT THE APPLE, so this was the first rule on earth, and they ate it, even when god said NO, ITS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.
So they got punished.
God gave us the total freedom, as you can see. People gave us more rules, but you can still do what you want, or not? Nobody can hold you when you want to kill somebody, it is your freedom, YOUR DECISION, and you know what's bad and what's not bad. But then you have to live with the bad things that might happen.
That is freedom of act not freedom of mind. You dont have Total Freedom, Total Freedom is that you can do whatever you want without anything going bad because of it. It's like someone says you can say whatever you want but in the end I will make you suffer for it, that is no freedom.
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no actually it is. but different things will happen to you depending on the road you take. if you dont want to be with God then you go to hell, that can be either good or bad for you.
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Well if there isn`t "God" then i must be the luckiest guy in the world.
ps: Yes for good, yes for God :)
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Just a simple miswording. The question still stands..
Answered before.
But i will repeat here anyway
No, I dont beleive in it, In my thoughts. its rubbish
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then us believers have nothinbg to lose when we die.
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God, Is not someone who built the earth earth. This is what people dont understand, He built a faith/community same as Aragorn and Gandalf.
He started small making stuff by scratch then working there way to the big stuff. God shouldnt prove to you whether he exists or not because there are still 35 million people that believe in him and maybe even more.
The fact is there are more religons these days, Some have logical thinking some dont. But they all meet up to one fact. A being whos power couldnt be explained.
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I believe in him , logical or not it feels like a good source to seek love and trust in.
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I believe in him , logical or not it feels like a good source to seek love and trust in.
and atheists will call you a fool for it. :roll: oh well dont listen to them.
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I believe in one thing only, when i die i go into a place of ultimate bliss where i can do whatever i want and did i mention the place is made of Lasagne :)
GO AETHEISM (spelt wrong?) I can believe in whatver i want to (kinda, as long as no god is their)
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This is why.
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make a chart on how many people in the world believe in a God or gods, to those who dont.
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Yes, Otherwise :war:
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make a chart on how many people in the world believe in a God or gods, to those who dont.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm)
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Yep. of every 3 peopel you should ask in this world, 1 says he belives in Jesus (christan).
yes, I belive in an god, I am christan...
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As many know, I'm heavily involved with the catholic Church, so yes. I believe in God.
Like Neo, I go to Mass. Maybe not like him is that I go every day.
God is something to rely on. Someone who watches over and makes sure you're safe...
All have some kind of this flame in the bottom of their hearts. Maybe it's God for them, maybe it's Jedi Master...
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As many know, I'm heavily involved with the catholic Church, so yes. I believe in God.
same here. ;)
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Worship for luck?
How does that work..
You cant really worship for luck..
because you know in your heart your faking anyway..
so.. why bother?
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I don't believe in god.
And although I respect other peoples faith, I see no benefits in religious. On the contrary, it instigates war and sometimes hate.
Most religions don't accept homosexuals.
They mostly preach sex is bad and should only exist for breeding purposes.(this one looks definitely like a joke)
And they work on fear basis, "If you don't do this or that, god will punish you" or "You'll burn in hell".
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I don't believe in good.
Then what do you believe in? Evil, fire and 666? :D
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Then what do you believe in? Evil, fire and 666? :D
I believe in proved facts.
I believe that we should be nice to each other cause humans only got this far due to living in community.
But, I like Buddhist philosophy allot, specially after earing about Buddha(SidhÄÂÂrta Gautama) story.
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* was only pointing out PMP's typo...
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* was only pointing out PMP's typo...
ops, my bad.
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I am not against believing.I am against people who force me or others to believe and thus take away my free choice and also people who think they are superior or better by doing so.
I believe in free choice, the right of the individual and solidarity amongst people, and if you need a higher power to do so ... so BE it but dont act all smug and selfimportant about it
thats how I feel
Freedom of speech and religion also aply to people who DONT believe in (a) god , gods or whatever.
Be yourself, be honnest, be true not because you are told to but because you WANT to, that is worth more than doing it for fear of "god"
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I am Athiest because due to a few things in the world combined with a few things in the bible i have decided that the existence of a god is completely impossible.
1. A lot of shit happens - If there was a god he would stop it
2. A lot of people don't believe in God - If god existed he would have absolute power over everything and therefore people's minds and he would make people believe in him.
3. Where the f**k is he?
4. Gay Sex is meant to be unnatural - now i myself may not be gay but i believe strongly that what is less natural than gay sex is no sex at all. Get laid people!
Plus more.
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I believe in God :)
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I am Athiest because due to a few things in the world combined with a few things in the bible i have decided that the existence of a god is completely impossible.
1. A lot of shit happens - If there was a god he would stop it
2. A lot of people don't believe in God - If god existed he would have absolute power over everything and therefore people's minds and he would make people believe in him.
3. Where the f**k is he?
4. Gay Sex is meant to be unnatural - now i myself may not be gay but i believe strongly that what is less natural than gay sex is no sex at all. Get laid people!
Plus more.
I will answer your questions.
1. God lets shit happen so that we can become stronger. Sure, God loves us, but he didnt make our life 100%
nice intentionally, for some reasons beyond our understanding.
2. A lot of people dont believe in God because he chose not to. God isn't all arrogant and 'I AM GOD!'-ish, so
he wouldnt control our minds. He gave us FREEDOM OF CHOICE, because he loves us. He's not like some
people who would control the world to follow them 100%, thats why he has thinking MUCH, MUCH more
advanced than ours.
3. God is everywhere, he sees all things. Yes, that means eyesight that's way better than Sauron. The trees,
the people, the two gay homos masturbating in the bathroom together, God sees it all.
4. Well, what then? Let those gays fuck each other until the end of the world, God will send them into the
fires of doom after.
LOOK: God purposely caused events which led to the coming of Evil into this world (Not TeaM-Evil, lol!).
Without evil, there would be no good. It's a balance and will stay a balance until the feared
Armageddon.
If you dont believe what I say, its your choice. We will know the truth when The Time comes.
-JDC
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No, I do not believe in God.. Why? Well tell me one good reason to do believe in him/her, there's never been solid proof that he/she even exists so why should I believe that he/she exists or that he/she is truly a God?
What's even the true meaning of a God..? As the bible says, God is here to make peace and all that bullcrap, then tell me why is the world so fucked up if God is here to help us?
Sorry guys, but the only one in which I believe is me/myself and I... :redface:
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Read the Bible. The World was f**ked up before, and God fixed it.
Now that the World is f**ked up again, God will fix it at a time known
only to him.
The World was f**ked up-
-Before the Flood, the reason why the Flood came.
-During the last days of the Old Israel, thats why Babylon overcame them.
-During the final days of the Roman Empire, thats why it collapsed.
-During the early 1900's, thats why the Great Depression happened.
Look: God allows shit to happen for a reason. Do you think that we and this
world were merely formed by chance? Another flaw to the BigBang/AntiCreationist
theory is:
That small clump of matter which became the universe, where did it come from?
:ps: All the shit in the world is the ultimate punishment of man for his sinfulness,
although since God loves us, He made sure that we can endure the shit that
happens.
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Read the Bible. The World was f**ked up before, and God fixed it.
Now that the World is f**ked up again, God will fix it at a time known
only to him.
The World was f**ked up-
-Before the Flood, the reason why the Flood came.
-During the last days of the Old Israel, thats why Babylon overcame them.
-During the final days of the Roman Empire, thats why it collapsed.
-During the early 1900's, thats why the Great Depression happened.
Look: God allows shit to happen for a reason. Do you think that we and this
world were merely formed by chance? Another flaw to the BigBang/AntiCreationist
theory is:
That small clump of matter which became the universe, where did it come from?
:ps: All the shit in the world is the ultimate punishment of man for his sinfulness,
although since God loves us, He made sure that we can endure the shit that
happens.
I believe man f**ked it up, so man will fix it, no one else is here but man.
its all fate, go with the flow
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Well... look:
The Bible:
-Shows the ultimate Origin of Man
-Shows the nature of Man and his Creator
-Has a perfect explanation on Origin of all things
-Shows what happens to someone after they die
Science:
-Has no explanation for what's at the bottom of the Big Bang Theory
-Has no definite explnation of the World's ultimate origin
-Is created by Man, whose understanding capabilities are... low.
-Lacks a good explanation on the World Beyond
But the Creationists and the Atheists have their views.
And which one will prevail: Only time will decide.
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You can only believe in this world, you believe because you want to make change or want something 'better' for you or worse for someone else. I think that 'God' is the form of escapism for you guys and you all should just 'go with the flow' . . . stick to reality.
(what a nice post :P )
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I'd rather take my chances that God just might be real and go to hell, then spend my life believing what I personally feel to be a lie.
I'd rather not spend my life doing all that holy stuff and then realise there isn't anything - though, to be honest, I wouldn't be able to "realise" it.
Concerning the afterlife - that is something which I feel people need to believe in, to give comfort in death. Like many things in religion, the teaching itself is correct, and is a good thing to believe in/do. The fact I don't believe the story behind the teachings should not influence whether I follow them or not.
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Wow, we have a nice lil topic here dont we.
I did see this earlier but i didnt respond then cuz i wanted to see a few opinions before i posted mine...
Some ppl have thrown the obvious question - "If God is a such a great guy, why is he doing this, why didnt he stop this, why did he throw ppl in Hell etc"...My Answer(though it may not be satisfactory) is that its you get what you did. They way you see it, you may not have done anything wrong but its cuz u did something that u go thru shit. Then again there are some ppl who are noble souls but still shit ahppens - there the touchy subject of your past life comes into play but i aint saying anything abt that cuz its real touchy.
Some ppl may think - "this guy is archaic! past life? wtf!!" well, its my belief. I do read the scriptures and it aint a "big fatass book" written by some one who "cudnt do research". It does contain stuff which tells ya on how to go about life, abt doing things you should and things you shouldnt, abt being nice to people etc, learning to pray etc
The second obvious statement - "I see and believe". You all believe in birth yes? thats why you are here. Thats why you are reading this. My question to you - Has anyone suceeded in figuring out what energy generated life within your parents? You wouldnt - its beyond anyone's reach to understand God. What enegy makes a huge tree from a lil seed? What makes it sprout and go up and then wither away and die? Sure, science would say photosynthesis, oxygen, energy etc but what made it use these elements or processes? Answer - God. Again, people may say "whis guy is saying 'God' to everything for which he doesnt have an answer"....I believe in him. Do you have another answer to what I asked?
Certain holy scriptures in my religion talk about our existence in this age...about things we really can do to lead a healthy and wholesome life and not having to suffer shit...and even if you do suffer shit to actually realise why it is happeneing and not believe that its God who is casting an evil eye on you. I believe that everyone has an element of God in them. What else makes your heart beat? Yes, blood is necessary but no amount of blood will a heart beat if its not meant to be...sometimes CPR works, sometimes it doesnt - It doesnt always work, so now you know where I am getting at...
Religion is not for ppl to scream and say "Hindus are Hindus, Moslems are Moslems and the two cannot be friends!!" Its for you to lead a disciplined life. Some ppl say that Christians worship the cross and Hindus have a million gods and that Muslims pray in the direction of Mecca. Well such symbols/idols are in place so that human beings could actually learn to worship...you begin there and then you slowly realise that God is there. Think about this - One minute a person is playing Superman...then he falls off a horse in a freak accident and reamins paralysed till he dies. However strong science can make you, you could lose it all in one second. If you wanna lift your hand up right now, you could. But know that in a second, it could stop responding to your brain. No science could bring it back to life.. - the reasons for this are too massive for us as human beings to understand.
And yes, it is obvious - I believe in God, I beleieve in my religion and I respect all religions :). :alert"
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Nice essay there Arjun lol, but too true... too true ;)
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Soz abt the length there, bt i thght i shud put forth my opnion :)
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Damn Right you should. :)
That was quite some good reading I had there.
To the Atheists:
1. "Seeing is Believing"? What a load of shit. Srsly. Slap your face. Do you see the pain? NO, but you feel it.
2. "Big Bang Theory"? You gotta be kidding me. Do you think that we all came by chance? NO.
3. "Religion is a load of claptrap, there is no God!"? Bulls**t! Who do you think made us and all? Who do you
think prevents this world from becoming 100% fucked up? Who do you think made us lucky enough so that
the sun wont blow in our lifetime? Like Arjun said, it is beyond anyone's capabilities to understand God.
No religion is worth it unless it teaches people to be good.
4. "If God is so nice, why does shit happen"? We commit sins everyday, some of which are outside of our
knowledge. Like God said,
Every man is a sinner
THATS the answer to your question about shit, my friends. Just because you didn't kill, rape, or steal, doesnt
mean that you aint a sinner. Merely thinking bad things about someone is a sinner. Flaming is sinning also.
Shit/Bad things is the ultimate punishment of Mankind for his sins.
Any more questions?
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I agree with those who say that the Bible and any other Holy books of religions are trying to give a guide on how to live life.
But I disagree with that the origin stories are a 'perfect explanation'.
The Bible is a mix of advise and old myths, written by people who had much less knowledge of our world then we have today. It is based on the same books as the Torah and the Qu'oran, and shares stories with other religious documents of the same area and time. If you compare, Gods were much more active in daily life in those times. Not because they were, but because there were many more questions unanswered as today.
It seems to scare the hell out of many people to say 'I do not know the answer'. Especially people who are leaders, and are expected have an answer all the time. There for the 'I do not know' is replaced by 'It is God'. After all nobody can question or understand God.
As soon as anything that we have discovered on our origin needs to be changed because of a conflict with the Bible, I will choose the discovery over the Bible story. It does not invalidate religion, it just gives an answer that we previously did not know and there for attributed to supranatural powers. So far there is nobody who has been able to prove or disprove any God from existing. The only thing we are certain about is that we do not know all the answers.
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When I was little I was hardcore christian, but now its different, as I grew up, I see different things, my mom used to say "God's people will be blessed"
My grandfather died due to car crash, he was christian, is that a blessing? My gradmother died, is that a blessing? My aunt died, is that a blessing?
After these things, I was unsure of how God really works, so I decided, I still believe in God, but I wont rely on him for everything, I'll to things my way and only my way.
About prayer: I tested a theory about praying top milk jug, that find a dollar on the floor, I found it the next day, is that power of prayer? If not, explain these things.
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When i was little i was beliving,1-2 years ago i wasnt beliving....but now..i belive cuz...so much things happend to me...and its better to belive,cuz how can u know its not true?...better belive
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You believe because you can't explain
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Actually there is not proof ...
Believe - Believe in it without proof!
-Can use all sorts of religions, there is actually no solid proof, that's why its a religion
example: bible says what will happen in future... but it is not proven yet.
Science
Apes - humans - evolution
Big bang...
Exxample: the world will end in 2012, but there is no solid proof it will!
Documentairys and other stuff... But in the end they havent found any proof of the evolution or the big bang, so there is no proof either.
My suggestion:
Follow the one that suits you the most! ;) (Or follow none!)
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Actually there is not proof ...
Believe - Believe in it without proof!
Stop breathing...you may not conciously take in air but after sometime u realise that u need it. You "realise" it. Similarly, if you try, you will realise God..:)..
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Stop breathing...you may not conciously take in air but after sometime u realise that u need it. You "realise" it. Similarly, if you try, you will realise God..:)..
Very well said...
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Stop breathing...you may not conciously take in air but after sometime u realise that u need it. You "realise" it. Similarly, if you try, you will realise God..:)..
AWESOME quote, Arjun.
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Well, Do I believe in God? Yes I do believe in some kind of God, but I really don't want to do anything with him, because he is a real asshole. If I look like rude to you, then it is just because there isn't much good to talk about this God. We all know what asshole means, and even if god isn't one, then he( yeah mostly god is a man) is acting like one. God is unfair, he screws things up, impulsive, caprice and moody, irresponsible and unpredictable, mood killer, bad loser and a snitch. God feeds on intrigues, scandals and rumors. So basically God is ordinary person, the more ordinary the better. If a naive person don't believe in him , God makes him a true believer by taking away his little daughters life or place him in a situation where there is nothing else to do then pray to God.
God was made by humans. After millions of people has accepted him in their mind they exactly thought that this can't be and turned things around - God created human. They admitted that God made human by his own face. Because they didn't want God to look like an monster, they imagined him in a big white robe with a long beard. And that's how strict father figure was created, who was a role model for his children. So if father tells you that acting like a brainless moron is OK, then his follower think so too.
Also God likes to be like his followers, he loves to give you promises what he won't keep, feeding peoples hopes with it. That is a good trick how to feed ego. It's called pray.
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Just because God makes bad things happen, doesnt mean that He is an asshole.
Well... better to believe in God than to die an Atheist and go to hell.
Prophecies in the book of Revelation that have been fulfilled.
1. "A mountain made of fire mingled with blood shall fall to the earth"
-This prophecy was fulfilled on September 11, 2001, when the World Trade
Center, fell to the ground in a flaming explosion that killed hundreds. The
fire is the explosion and the blood is the blood of the people that
perished on that fateful day.
2. "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse"
-Conquering. War and Hate. Greed and Injustice. Death. These four horsemen of the
Apocalypse are everywhere on the earth, even as you and me speak.
If there are any more Revelation prophecies that have ALREADY been fulfilled, feel
free to post them here.
Look:God is beyond Man's understanding, so it is only natural that there are people
who would denounce God as a myth. Look, read the Bible. You will find Prophecies
that have been fulfilled.
Proof that the Bible is telling the Truth
-A city has been found in Mesopotamia under a vast, thick layer of clay which was
left by a flood of immense magnitude: The Flood.
-The ancient cities of Babylon, Nineveh, Susa, and more have been excavated.
Whats more: the date of the fall of Babylon corresponds to the day AFTER a
mysterious floating hand wrote on the wall in front of King Belshazzar the words
mene mene, tekel tekel. It is recorded BOTH in the Bible and the excavated
records at Babylon.
-And many others which I dont know.
WHAT is it going to take to convince these people that there is a God and that
He is real? 'Seeing is believing' IS rubbish. Just because you cant see God or
God hasnt personally spoken to you, doesnt mean that he doesnt exist. When
you cut yourself, you dont see pain but you feel it. When you touch an Ice Cube,
you dont see cold but you feel it. When you fall to the ground, you dont see Gravity
but its there, pulling you down 24/7. Like Arjun said, when you dont take in air, you
dont see the need for more but you realise it.
To be honest, who needs proof?
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1. "A mountain made of fire mingled with blood shall fall to the earth"
In that case,
I [GTC]Daddy, a normal human being who does not believe in god, predict right now....
"Blood originated from fire shall rain on earth"
maybe tommorow, maybe after a week, maybe month or maybe after 1000 years...
suppose a plane crash occurs, which is very certain, they can occur
and there is a fire and all passengers dead...
Will you say my prediction is true?
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and also the question about "seeing air"
well by "i cant see god"
it means none of my 5 senses can detect god
but they can detect air, perhaps everything that exists
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There must be a god. MUST. You guys trying to explain everything, everything that has not to do with god, but you can't go so far. SOMEBODY MADE EVERYTHING, AND I GUESS IT WAS NOT A HUMAN. And even when it was one, who made the human then? It's hard to explain something big as that.
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There must be a god. MUST. You guys trying to explain everything, everything that has not to do with god, but you can't go so far. SOMEBODY MADE EVERYTHING, AND I GUESS IT WAS NOT A HUMAN. And even when it was one, who made the human then? It's hard to explain something big as that.
Aliens!
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There must be a god. MUST. You guys trying to explain everything, everything that has not to do with god, but you can't go so far. SOMEBODY MADE EVERYTHING, AND I GUESS IT WAS NOT A HUMAN. And even when it was one, who made the human then? It's hard to explain something big as that.
No, no gods. Everything started from the "Big Bang".
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Just because God makes bad things happen, doesnt mean that He is an asshole.
Well... better to believe in God than to die an Atheist and go to hell.
Prophecies in the book of Revelation that have been fulfilled.
1. "A mountain made of fire mingled with blood shall fall to the earth"
-This prophecy was fulfilled on September 11, 2001, when the World Trade
Center, fell to the ground in a flaming explosion that killed hundreds. The
fire is the explosion and the blood is the blood of the people that
perished on that fateful day.
WTC was not made of fire or blood. When it collapsed there was almost no fire. There is no way a prophecy would have described a tall building with people as a mountain.
They would have called it a Tower.
2. "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse"
-Conquering. War and Hate. Greed and Injustice. Death. These four horsemen of the
Apocalypse are everywhere on the earth, even as you and me speak.
And most of them are advocated by religions.
Proof that the Bible is telling the Truth
-A city has been found in Mesopotamia under a vast, thick layer of clay which was
left by a flood of immense magnitude: The Flood.
The Flood is said to have covered all mountains on our planet. Not just one city.
While I agree it may have been an event like this described as the Flood, that does not make the rest of the story absolute truth.
-The ancient cities of Babylon, Nineveh, Susa, and more have been excavated.
Whats more: the date of the fall of Babylon corresponds to the day AFTER a
mysterious floating hand wrote on the wall in front of King Belshazzar the words
mene mene, tekel tekel. It is recorded BOTH in the Bible and the excavated
records at Babylon.
Could you get me a link to where it is recorded in the excavated records ?
I have not found anything.
WHAT is it going to take to convince these people that there is a God and that
He is real? 'Seeing is believing' IS rubbish. Just because you cant see God or
God hasnt personally spoken to you, doesnt mean that he doesnt exist. When
you cut yourself, you dont see pain but you feel it. When you touch an Ice Cube,
you dont see cold but you feel it. When you fall to the ground, you dont see Gravity
but its there, pulling you down 24/7. Like Arjun said, when you dont take in air, you
dont see the need for more but you realise it.
To be honest, who needs proof?
What is it going to take for you to say that he is not real ?
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Simply no, I'do not believe in god, I do not se the reason why i even should believe in him.
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WTC was not made of fire or blood. When it collapsed there was almost no fire. There is no way a prophecy would have described a tall building with people as a mountain.
They would have called it a Tower.
And most of them are advocated by religions.
The Flood is said to have covered all mountains on our planet. Not just one city.
While I agree it may have been an event like this described as the Flood, that does not make the rest of the story absolute truth.
Could you get me a link to where it is recorded in the excavated records ?
I have not found anything.
What is it going to take for you to say that he is not real ?
This annoys me (not what you're saying Gandalf...)... these so called Christians have only one book, the bible. That's all they have, they read and take all out of context.
You have to relate it to what's happening, like the one about the earth being made in 6 days. It may not be 6 days of 24 hours, but could be of 10 billion years...
They read the bible and believe all of it. When your friends say something happened, they make it more interesting to try and stop you being bored with it...
It's the same in the Bible (IMO).
There's evidence for things, sure. But you believe that one man filled his boat with 2 of every animal, and they survived a world flood?
Think outside the box here. Don't just sit there reading this one book. RC has many books, and they're all used IN CONTEXT.
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Prophecies in the book of Revelation that have been fulfilled.
1. "A mountain made of fire mingled with blood shall fall to the earth"
-This prophecy was fulfilled on September 11, 2001, when the World Trade
Center, fell to the ground in a flaming explosion that killed hundreds. The
fire is the explosion and the blood is the blood of the people that
perished on that fateful day.
hum, you'd been better of saying pompei...
Knowledge is power :)
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This annoys me (not what you're saying Gandalf...)... these so called Christians have only one book, the bible. That's all they have, they read and take all out of context.
You have to relate it to what's happening, like the one about the earth being made in 6 days. It may not be 6 days of 24 hours, but could be of 10 billion years...
They read the bible and believe all of it. When your friends say something happened, they make it more interesting to try and stop you being bored with it...
It's the same in the Bible (IMO).
There's evidence for things, sure. But you believe that one man filled his boat with 2 of every animal, and they survived a world flood?
Think outside the box here. Don't just sit there reading this one book. RC has many books, and they're all used IN CONTEXT.
Yeah Johannes, I know that you have probably already studied more of the Bible than any of those who feel it is all a true story, and there is much more to come...
It is a pity that for many the true meaning of the Bible (and other religious books) remains hidden.
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I am Athiest because due to a few things in the world combined with a few things in the bible i have decided that the existence of a god is completely impossible.
1. A lot of shit happens - If there was a god he would stop it
2. A lot of people don't believe in God - If god existed he would have absolute power over everything and therefore people's minds and he would make people believe in him.
3. Where the f**k is he?
4. Gay Sex is meant to be unnatural - now i myself may not be gay but i believe strongly that what is less natural than gay sex is no sex at all. Get laid people!
Plus more.
Let me explain you cause i think u are a small kid and dont study
1 . God gaves us the Free will...We can do whatever we want
2 . Free will . Why God should come here and make us believe in him?
3 . Somewhere that our humanity small brain cant imagine or see
4 hmm?
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Yeah Johannes, I know that you have probably already studied more of the Bible than any of those who feel it is all a true story, and there is much more to come...
It is a pity that for many the true meaning of the Bible (and other religious books) remains hidden.
Well sort of. I don't "study" it. There are some parts of the new testament which make sense.
Most of (if not all) of the Old Testament comes from Jewish Scripture, so in my mind, although some applies, most doesn't...
Sure, readings at Mass are taken from the Bible, but I'm not like some of these others quoting from the Bible every 5 seconds saying "Repent or you'll all die and go to hell". I let people believe what they want, as long as they let me do the same...
People who just know the bible and no other book need to read around a bit. "Christianity" is the universal Christian faith - "Catholic". Coming from the Greek for "Universal".
It annoys me that the Bible is the only thing they have to do...
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It annoys me that the Bible is the only thing they have to do...
And who doesn't let you to believe and choose what you want?
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And who doesn't let you to believe and choose what you want?
The king who wanted to divorce his wife, so that the whole church became separated into hundreds of cults...
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LOL look what I had today.
I was on the PC and then the doorbell ringed... 2 english ppl were in front of the door. (they spoke a little bit netherlands too) They asked me if I believed in god. I said no. Then they asked me to talk to my parents about that. My parents were'nt home. They said to me: We want to show you what God means to us people. Then I said: ooooohwkeee? :roll: Then they said: Have a nice day... ROFL. :rofl:
Well it is pretty funny if you are'nt christian... :redface:
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The last time someone tried they were almost converted to my side. ;)
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LOL look what I had today.
I was on the PC and then the doorbell ringed... 2 english ppl were in front of the door. (they spoke a little bit netherlands too) They asked me if I believed in god. I said no. Then they asked me to talk to my parents about that. My parents were'nt home. They said to me: We want to show you what God means to us people. Then I said: ooooohwkeee? :roll: Then they said: Have a nice day... ROFL. :rofl:
Well it is pretty funny if you are'nt christian... :redface:
That thing in Greece is illigal....Coming to your house and telling you about other religions..
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yeah "cults". the thing that annoys me about protestants and most christians is that they study the bible and only take its word and if something isnt it in then it is either evil or doesnt exist.
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most christians is that they study the bible and only take its word and if something isnt it in then it is either evil or doesnt exist.
Nobody said that...
(Example
Did the bible said anything about Argonath rpg?
No
Its good?
No,its awesome )
joking...
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sorry i should be more specific such as religious stuff the Catholic church supports such as:
purgatory,
prayer to Mary,
prayer to saints,
the Sacrament of Reconciliation,
and more...
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For starters I do believe in god...and other who dosent believe and believes in this Evolution or Darwin crap..lets just say get a life.
Why Do I Believe in God, Few thing's id like to say if I must :
1-The universe is made up so correctly and every thing in place, could that not be done by some 1?
(Evolution Believers say An Explosion was made, How could a BOMB make every thing go in place? Explain!? )
2-Each actor needs to be acted (By Some 1),Such as This world....
And theres lots of stuff that I can say ....
Any way, People who dosent believe in god says all the time, if god exists and hes such a nice person ..then why people suffer and die and we pray and pray and dont get back....lets just say BE ASHAMED TO ASK THAT QUISTIONE!
Do you know why god dosent want to help us !? Few things:-
1-Ù‹ÙÂÂÙ‹Weve known god..yet we didnt give him hes rights
2-We read hes bibels...we dont follow them
3-We blamed the devil for making us go the bad ways...and yet we follow hes steps(Following the steps of the devil)
4-We said we love heaven and we didnt work for it
5-Ù‹We took god's gifts such as food, Life, Oxygen, Water and freedom and didnt thank him yet
Lets look at these five points..think of god as your teacher...if u did these thing's to your teacher Would he give u a high mark?? would he thank you for it??? i think not...So For all who says We pray and dont get ...Do shut up please!
Other people say: We dont see god why should we believe in him...!
Guys...a short story if to read:
A guy came back from Europe, hes head was filled with all of Darwin's crap and evolution ...when he got home ...kiss mommy kiss daddy.. hes dad told him ..Sun you coming to pray to day? he said I will not antill some one answer's me 3 quistiones..Hes dad said go ahead son ask (talking shockingly).
1-Why dont we see god?
2-What is Eradication and Fate?
3-If the devil is made of fire,how come he burns in hell?
Hes dad didnt know how to answer..although brought people who might ...yet no one could.
Then lastly some old guy came, hes well known as smart and knows how to answer tricky quistiones...
The guy asked the kid: what are you quiestiones? he told him the quistiones then all of a sudden the old guy stood up and slapped that kid in the face.
The kid said what the hell ...Why did u do that? he said thats ur answer..the kid said i dont understand..!
The old guy said For your first quis...When i hit u did u feel Pain ? he said yes..then he continued Do u see Pain? he said no ...heres ur answer (We dont see god yet we feel him)
Second question: About fate...The old guy said: Did u know that i was about to hit you? he said no...he said thats Fate and Eradication...You dont know wth is coming!
3rd question: About the devil...the old guy said what is the devil made from the kid said Fire and what is hell made from he said Fire ...then he continued on what is ur face made of he said Skin and the old guy said what is my hand made of he said skin..then the old guy said here you go Devil in fire Skin to skin.....
The kid didnt know what to say..he pulled hes self up and went praying with out saying a word
I continue my subject With ...Evolution crap believers ....Please oh Please get a Life!
*last but not least this video is from youtube i'd like you to watch it and see things your self*
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eUOAGQU4q-0 (Please you dont wanna miss this ...Watch it if u want but its really great and 100% will make u believe.
I finish my subject with saying..am so happy to say i believe in god and am proud to be a muslim.
Thank You: LeonSforza
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I myself am agnostic, which means us as human beings are not to say whether a god exists or not, but personally I believe that there is a god who started the source of life. In my opinion the world would be a much better place without religion. I believe in science, but no science will ever be able to prove if their is or not a god. There is no way we will know unless this being actually speaks to us. But something had to create the universe, if god is a being of some sort.
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wow wtf... that video is amazing. I really do think there is an allah, but i'm not going to say 'wtf omg allah is real i r muslim.'
I'm just going to belive in him, i'm not going to be all crazy and say 'wtf see this video it proves allah is real now BELIEVE OR I KILL U'
And yes i do belive in god, but it is so hard to with what happens to people, like WTC, why would this happen?
and why are some people not even able to have a home and most likely die every day? Why are there poisons?
The 2 greatest questions in the world: if god made 'us' then who made 'god' himself? He couldn't of done it if he wasn't born or alive.
And, does space ever end? And if so, what is there? nothing? How far does space go..
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Just because God makes bad things happen, doesnt mean that He is an asshole.
OK, Id I have a power to stop an robbery but I don't. I am an asshole because I didn't do it.
But if God won't stop it, it is a "higher purpose" and he isn't an asshole?
Look:God is beyond Man's understanding, so it is only natural that there are people
who would denounce God as a myth.
Dumb peoples are also beyond my understanding, but I still understand they are dumb.
Look, read the Bible. You will find Prophecies
that have been fulfilled.
Proof that the Bible is telling the Truth
-A city has been found in Mesopotamia under a vast, thick layer of clay which was
left by a flood of immense magnitude: The Flood.
-The ancient cities of Babylon, Nineveh, Susa, and more have been excavated.
Whats more: the date of the fall of Babylon corresponds to the day AFTER a
mysterious floating hand wrote on the wall in front of King Belshazzar the words
mene mene, tekel tekel. It is recorded BOTH in the Bible and the excavated
records at Babylon.
-And many others which I dont know.
Oh, so when a guy wrote some history down in a book, it means that everything else what he wrote there must be also true. OK I will write a book, where I say that some of the houses were damaged due to a tsunami in Asia. Also that in the New World a hurricane took away lot's of people's home (Hurricane Katrina). <- truth. Also there I am rebirth of Odin and my brother is Thor. And because the Hurricane and Tsunami thing was true, it must be too. :roll:
WHAT is it going to take to convince these people that there is a God and that
He is real? 'Seeing is believing' IS rubbish. Just because you cant see God or
God hasnt personally spoken to you, doesnt mean that he doesnt exist. When
you cut yourself, you dont see pain but you feel it. When you touch an Ice Cube,
you dont see cold but you feel it. When you fall to the ground, you dont see Gravity
but its there, pulling you down 24/7. Like Arjun said, when you dont take in air, you
dont see the need for more but you realise it.
To be honest, who needs proof?
Ok let's then say, that we don't sense God's present. We don't see,taste, feel, hear nor smell him.
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For starters I do believe in god...and other who dosent believe and believes in this Evolution or Darwin crap..lets just say get a life.
Thank you for showing tolerance towards other beliefs as yours.
1-The universe is made up so correctly and every thing in place, could that not be done by some 1?
(Evolution Believers say An Explosion was made, How could a BOMB make every thing go in place? Explain!? )
What exactly do you mean by 'made correctly' and 'every thing in place' ? What have you studied or seen about the Universe that makes you say this ?
Evolution does not handle the origin of the universe or the origin of life. Do not spread misinformation.
And last the 'big bang' was not an explosion....
2-Each actor needs to be acted (By Some 1),Such as This world....
Then what about free will ?
Do you know why god dosent want to help us !? Few things:-
1-Ù‹ÙÂÂÙ‹Weve known god..yet we didnt give him hes rights
2-We read hes bibels...we dont follow them
3-We blamed the devil for making us go the bad ways...and yet we follow hes steps(Following the steps of the devil)
4-We said we love heaven and we didnt work for it
5-Ù‹We took god's gifts such as food, Life, Oxygen, Water and freedom and didnt thank him yet
Lets look at these five points..think of god as your teacher...if u did these thing's to your teacher Would he give u a high mark?? would he thank you for it??? i think not...So For all who says We pray and dont get ...Do shut up please!
So the loving, kind and forgiving God who knows and sees all is enraged by not being asskissed by everyone and there for does not do anything for those who do care ?
Other people say: We dont see god why should we believe in him...!
Guys...a short story if to read:
A guy came back from Europe, hes head was filled with all of Darwin's crap and evolution ...when he got home ...kiss mommy kiss daddy.. hes dad told him ..Sun you coming to pray to day? he said I will not antill some one answer's me 3 quistiones..Hes dad said go ahead son ask (talking shockingly).
Apart from bashing Europe as non-religious (although the largest current religion originates from European roots) this guy is asking religious questions that have nothing to do with evolution or Darwin. Again misinformation.
I continue my subject With ...Evolution crap believers ....Please oh Please get a Life!
*last but not least this video is from youtube i'd like you to watch it and see things your self*
I finish my subject with saying..am so happy to say i believe in god and am proud to be a muslim.
Thank You: LeonSforza
Again a highly display of tolerance for other beliefs.
Regarding the video.. cut open a number of fruits and eggs... and find any kind of words in Arabic. I bet you will find more common words...
You see only what you want to see, you hear only what you want to hear. That makes you seeing blind and hearing deaf.
Remember those words ?
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That thing in Greece is illigal....Coming to your house and telling you about other religions..
OMG, thats a very good law!!! I hate Jeova witnesses!
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But they still coming...You can call the police and they will be jailed or fined :)
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But they still coming...You can call the police and they will be jailed or fined :)
Time for the church of Argonath to step up and recruit believers. :rofl:
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But they still coming...You can call the police and they will be jailed or fined :)
Can we shoot them?
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For starters I do believe in god...and other who dosent believe and believes in this Evolution or Darwin crap..lets just say get a life.
"For starters I do believe in evolution... and others who don't believe and believe in this "God" crap.. lets just say get a life."
To be completely honest, thats what I believe. But did you see me blatantly making a point of it? No. Because that is insensitive to their beliefs.
People are entitled to believe whatever they want. If I think that what they think is wrong, so what? I'm not gonna turn up at their door like "Save yourself! God isn't Real! Don't waste your life praying!" - because that would be pretty stupid.
As I've said, I'd rather take my chance living a full life and then, in the off chance religion is actually correct, go to hell; than spend my whole life praying and worshipping and then, you're dead.
Even so, I believe that if there is any kind of 'afterlife' it has nothing at all to do with religion. If there actually is a concept of 'heaven' and 'hell', then heaven would be attained by living a good, kind, generous, useful life. Not by sitting in a church talking into your hands. You know?
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Gandlaf i think u got me wrong..do understand what i say :)...
oh and btw Evolution is against Religion and god...thats what i mean!
and by the world made correctly ....such as the Sun ....the sun is Made in Place (Made correctly) if the sun moved 1 meter from its place world might burn...or might start Ice age...
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You believe because you don't know how what to think about life etc... so you just follow others.
Gandlaf i think u got me wrong..do understand what i say :)...
oh and btw Evolution is against Religion and god...thats what i mean!
and by the world made correctly ....such as the Sun ....the sun is Made in Place (Made correctly) if the sun moved 1 meter from its place world might burn...or might start Ice age...
Some say we have some extreme weather around the world at the moment cause we're just coming out of an Ice Age.
And what about comets etc.. If they were out of place? Comets move about and nearly hit earth and sh*t, I dont get your out of place stuff, anyone who believes that needs to get a life... :lol: (joke)
Oh yea, 'bout the 'Big bang' theory, it is mean't that the universe was a small particle, and it exploded because so much pressure was in the particle and the universe flew out, well.. you get my drift, the universe is always expanding because of this explosion outwards. Its more of an explanation, not a story like religion, thats the difference between science and religion.
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Gandlaf i think u got me wrong..do understand what i say :)...
oh and btw Evolution is against Religion and god...thats what i mean!
and by the world made correctly ....such as the Sun ....the sun is Made in Place (Made correctly) if the sun moved 1 meter from its place world might burn...or might start Ice age...
If Evolution is against religion and God, then why does the Pope think it is a possible theory for the development of life after creation ?
I would say that the Pope would at least not be against Religion....
And the position of the Earth to the Sun is not static at all... its not a perfect circle. We could be 100.000 kilometer closer without a lot of trouble.
If you want to know about something, have the courage to study it. You do not have to agree or accept the theories, but should at least know what they are about and where they come from.
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Gandlaf,the Pope is Christian ..i wouldn't take any thing that he says...such as an advice or what ever he said.....
And 2nd ...i did study the sun and if we moved we would freeze or burn alive...u study not me ;)
i know what am saying and will know what am saying.....
And no offense to Christians but their religion is weak.....u could make them go wrong easily such as the pope did ....like what u said about him....Christians can turn their we in 1 word...... (My respect to all religions)
still i say god exists and for ever will....Till judgment day
/me Finished the subject By Saying :
still i say god exists and for ever will....Till judgment day
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you can be christian and believe in the big bang theory and evolution, because the bible says that the earth was made in 7 days, and God made people, it never said that God couldnt of used evolution or the big bang, so if you say evolution is against religion then you obviously dont know much. :neutral:
and leon your not finishing the subject with your lines of christians being "weak". and personally no i dont know what your saying because you obviously arent christians so you have no right to say sh*t about the Pope or any christians unless you actually take time and study them.....
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Matthew, I was thinking exactly that... not that I believe in the big bang theory, but just saying that a lot of these theories can be put together and match what the Bible says.
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If Evolution is against religion and God, then why does the Pope think it is a possible theory for the development of life after creation ?
I would say that the Pope would at least not be against Religion....
And the position of the Earth to the Sun is not static at all... its not a perfect circle. We could be 100.000 kilometer closer without a lot of trouble.
If you want to know about something, have the courage to study it. You do not have to agree or accept the theories, but should at least know what they are about and where they come from.
Possible... POSSIBLE
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Voted " Yes". I do believe in God. End of the story :)
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Gandlaf,the Pope is Christian ..i wouldn't take any thing that he says...such as an advice or what ever he said.....
And 2nd ...i did study the sun and if we moved we would freeze or burn alive...u study not me ;)
i know what am saying and will know what am saying.....
And no offense to Christians but their religion is weak.....u could make them go wrong easily such as the pope did ....like what u said about him....Christians can turn their we in 1 word...... (My respect to all religions)
still i say god exists and for ever will....Till judgment day
Why you have so little tolerance of other religions ? You were talking about 'religious people', not only about your own religion. Then I give you an example and you deny it...
So where did you get your knowledge of the sun not being able to move 1 meter ? Please show me...
And why will you stop saying god exists after judgement day ?
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In my opninion,God really exist,without God,ur life will be a completely mess...
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Can we shoot them?
I dont know :lol:
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In my opninion,God really exist,without God,ur life will be a completely mess...
Why would it be a mess without God?
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LOL look what I had today.
I was on the PC and then the doorbell ringed... 2 english ppl were in front of the door. (they spoke a little bit netherlands too) They asked me if I believed in god. I said no. Then they asked me to talk to my parents about that. My parents were'nt home. They said to me: We want to show you what God means to us people. Then I said: ooooohwkeee? :roll: Then they said: Have a nice day... ROFL. :rofl:
Well it is pretty funny if you are'nt christian... :redface:
Yeah. I've had it too. Two men came behind the door, and asked that is my parent(s) home. They always sell somekinda christian books and stuff. We never buy this kinda things.
btw. Who inventted that thing called "god". There must be one person who came up with that idea.
The world Isn't made by "god". Earth was a fire ball billions years of go, then was an ice ball. adn now it's a waterball ( mostly). Watch documentary's 'n' stuff.
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Some quotes from a evolution vs religion discussion.
It is a matter of perceptions of reality.
One perception of reality is through science. Trying to figure what is going on around us by observations of the world around us through the use of the scientific method.
The other perception of reality is to ignore the world around us and put value in a book of mythology that was penned thousands of years ago and transliterated aka rewritten in a new language a few hundred years ago and rewritten again in modern language much more recently, and by faith in a all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present "God" that was described in the book of mythology.
As you said, its a difference in perceptions of reality. I agree, its science verse religious dogma.
Figuring out how it all began is neither the goal, nor the point of evolutionary theory. Evolution is the process by which life diversifies and changes over time. You are referring to Abiogensis/creation arguments whioch have no merit in regards to evolutionary thought.
Man, use your eyes. It is very simple an easy, once you have started. Take a look. Visit some ruins, of different ages, notice how they've weathered and how much, or little, have they worn out. Then go to places were sedimentation occur; here in Sevilla they found a Phoenician ship when excavating the subway tunnel. Notice how fast sedimentation has been in this case, at a river's mouth (the Guadalquivir). Compare with other places were sedimentation has been slower, take a look at the thickness of the strata, make your own numbers. Then go and look at different kind of strata, plied over themselves, mutated by migration under the surface; it is fascinating and will give you an aproximate idea of the age of the Planet, which I tell you, isn't six thousand years. Then study the datation methods from the horse's mouth, not from biased cretins (oops! sorry...). How they work, what its margin of error is, etc..Read about tectonic migration since you're at it.
When you have a pretty good idea of the Planet's age, take a look at the stars, learn how distances are calculated, learn of times involved...that part is not difficult, there are plenty astronomy divulgation texts around. Always remember there are people out there that say that astronomy is looking at lights in the sky, and step clear of them ; they will mislead you knowingly. Of course that kind of person would never have stepped in the Moon or have sent a ship to Mars.
That makes two ways?. OK. Now look at your hand, then to the skeleton of you hand an a dolphin's fin one. Look at vertebrate skeletons. They speak for themselves...it is the same planform, tweaked here and there by evolution to better fit an ecological niche. Keep on, look at other critters, back and back, on the fossil record, and you'll see perfectly the gradual change... those are two other ways. Makes four.
The fifth way ?...Read the Bible and listen to Creationists. They are effective anti-creationist tools themselves. Use filters because sometimes what they say corrodes your brains. Usually all they say is impossible and of course their only and final evidence is the Bible. I for one wouldn't worship a God who, they say, once killed by drowning every man jack and every critter in the Planet, including kids and puppies. That one is a criminal God. But, man, perhaps there's a God, and is not that one...perhaps by educating oneself, one perceives things otherwise occult...
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Religion only exists cause in the old times, people were too dumb to understand some natural happenings, so they invented religion to blame god for it.
*earthquake* "OMG, god is punishing us!"
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Why would it be a mess without God?
Killing,blablabla..all stuff of ''rulebreakin IRL'' is forbidden by God.many things in this world refer to Him,i guess one day u will ask help from God about impossible thing u need to be done ;).Only He can do it,IF we believe in it :D
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Killing,blablabla..all stuff of ''rulebreakin IRL'' is forbidden by God.many things in this world refer to Him,i guess one day u will ask help from God about impossible thing u need to be done ;).Only He can do it,IF we believe in it :D
No, all those "stuffs" are forbidden by the law.
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No, all those "stuffs" are forbidden by the law.
Again I ask - Who gave the life? You would say "my parents". I ask - Ever wondered what it was that gave your parents the power to give birth to you? What sparks life? What is it in that sperm that gives life? Answer that....
Next, as to why it is forbidden - the reason is above - No one other than od brought people into this world. He alone has the right to take them away. Like it or not, it is that very same ideology that brought abt the law...:) Good day
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People should respect eachothers belives, if someone wants to belive in a god let him belive in it. You dont like if some jahova comes up to your doorstep saying that god is everything, and people that do belive dont like it when you say that god is not real. If everyone kept what they belived in for themselfs and did'nt try to convert people to what they belive the world would be a better place.
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Again I ask - Who gave the life? You would say "my parents". I ask - Ever wondered what it was that gave your parents the power to give birth to you? What sparks life? What is it in that sperm that gives life? Answer that....
Next, as to why it is forbidden - the reason is above - No one other than od brought people into this world. He alone has the right to take them away. Like it or not, it is that very same ideology that brought abt the law...:) Good day
The sperm can be seen as a detonator, that when placed inside the egg merges in to ready DNA and starts dividing on to an organism.
To make it easier... There is the server program of SA:MP, whic is like an egg. It does nothing. Then there is a script, like a sperm, it can not do anything without the server. When combined they offer the possibility for a community like Argonath by attracting cells and growing larger...
You are right that the same ideology that brought about God brought about the law. Only the law does not attribute rights to a supranatural being, but gives it to someone you can understand in reasoning instead. However both were created and given rights by.......people.
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God exists ... End!
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God exists ... End!
Where is he?
In the heaven, he is a big and there is big table with list of names?
And discussion about us who must be die and who must be alive?
I vote no.
Im monkey
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Where is he?
In the heaven, he is a big and there is big table with list of names?
And discussion about us who must be die and who must be alive?
I vote no.
Im monkey
god isnt a HUMAN or a type of physical thing. he is like love, love cant be seen (by the naked eye) you can see the efects of love but not like a heart hovering above someone's head. and we arent monkeys.....we are humans.....maybe back in how many years we were once monkeys but not now....
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god isnt a HUMAN or a type of physical thing. he is like love, love cant be seen (by the naked eye) you can see the efects of love but not like a heart hovering above someone's head. and we arent monkeys.....we are humans.....maybe back in how many years we were once monkeys but not now....
We were never monkeys. We share a common ancestor with monkeys, that does not mean that we are or ever were. Dogs are not wolves, they share a common ancestor.
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Again I ask - Who gave the life? You would say "my parents". I ask - Ever wondered what it was that gave your parents the power to give birth to you? What sparks life? What is it in that sperm that gives life? Answer that....
Though Gandalf explained it all more detailed I say, I was borned because of some chemical/biological recations.
Ok, you want a riddle of the thing you can't explain? Fine. I give you a riddle. You say God gave us a free will, so we can think what ever we want.
Now question to you then is next: "Why do you think the way you do?" Why don't you think otherwise? It can't be God as God gave you a free will on thinking. Who controls the way you think?
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People who dosent believe in god ..Open ur eyes please PLEASE!
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I don't believe in God, and you can't argue with a theist and expect them to give rational reasons towards the existence of God.
People who dosent believe in god ..Open ur eyes please PLEASE!
I already tried, didn't do anything for me.
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nope, i do not.
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People who dosent believe in god ..Open ur eyes please PLEASE!
I agree
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Look look...you want to know why i belive in god??? Not cuz some 1 told me ...its because of what i see during living my day....
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
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Look look...you want to know why i belive in god??? Not cuz some 1 told me ...its because of what i see during living my day....
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
if you think like that, you have problems...
you cant choose ppls faith...
they think how they want to think.
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Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
I had a little laugh at that.
"Science, the thing that humans (Real things) made to cure this and that, to cure all kinds of disease, is a lie."
... You're joking, right?
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Look look...you want to know why i belive in god??? Not cuz some 1 told me ...its because of what i see during living my day....
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
See my point?
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he is like love, love cant be seen (by the naked eye)
Maybe I should introduce you to a thing called 'Pornographic Films' :lol:
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Look look...you want to know why i belive in god??? Not cuz some 1 told me ...its because of what i see during living my day....
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
You cant say that and re is an argument, you should respect what people belive or not belive you can say I'm right and they are wrong.
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Maybe i should intreduce you to some word called ''GOD''
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Again ...My respect to other beliefes...
But i believe in god thats my point of all the story
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Maybe i should intreduce you to some word called ''GOD''
You're going to lose this fight, so don't start it.
And, you are telling us to believe God, with the same fashion of the 13 year old ''Satanists''.
It's not working. At all. And yes, to answer your question, I've gone to church every Sunday for ten months, I've read the bible, so I'm not just talking from my ass if you're guessing that.
I am not bashing your religion, so do not try and take it as that. I do not bash any religion, I respect everyone's religion, as it works for them.
From Satanists to Buddhists, I do not say one bad thing about them, as I have no need to.
When I am involved in a discussion such as this, yes I'll give my point of view on the subject and/or my opinion.
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Maybe i should intreduce you to some word called ''GOD''
Who?
Again ...My respect to other beliefes...
But i believe in god thats my point of all the story
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
No argument. So you want us to think the same way. Is no respect for other believes...
I dont believe in god, you can believe in him, i dont care. But things like that piss me off.
You are being arrogant saying everything you think is right and everything others think is wrong... :poke:
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Maybe i should intreduce you to some word called ''GOD''
But what you've done there is sum it up. "God" is nothing but a 'word'.
How you interpret this 'word' differs among religions, and in the case of many atheists (and non-religious) it is simply a word and nothing more.
I could flip the point of most of your arguments, by the way. 'Don't believe in evolution? Open your eyes'. It sounds so obviously right to me, and clearly your argument sounds so obviously right to you, but hence we think each other's are obviously wrong. Thats why I don't blatantly go around saying my views without offering the other side of the coin, because although I feel very, very strongly that "God" is not real, some people like to believe that - and I have no right to change someone else's beliefs.
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yes leon the bing bang CAN be TRUE, so can EVOLUTION. and saying GOD to atheists wont make them turn their faith.........let them believe what they want, unless they are open to new things, but they arent......
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Lets joruney back few pages from this page...I Said I Belive in God And thats my point.......i finished the subject with out bashing other's beliefes and if u want to believe in evolution..am i stopping you???
And Fat boy.... What fight??? do u see me looking for a fight!??!
If u want 1 i woudlent mind
Look.... i say again ... I believe in god i voted yes..thats what i think..if u want to belive in evolution belive in big bang belive in monkies believe....I think this topic should be closed because it may head to bad places..and i h8 my mouth when am mad and so will u
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Leon from what i understand, youre a fanatic.
Look.... i say again ... I believe in god i voted yes..thats what i think..if u want to belive in evolution belive in big bang belive in monkies believe....I think this topic should be closed because it may head to bad places..and i h8 my mouth when am mad and so will u
ROFL, i believe in monkies cuz there real
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@ everyone
We all respect each others beliefs..:) Hoping for a topic lock as it cud lead to bad implications. Sure I could stay away from the topic but me staying away may not keep people from feeling bad abt what another person writes here abt their faith :)
At the end of the day, no one can question another person's belief. Both sides feel that they are right and they have the right to do so too. :)
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i finished the subject with out bashing other's beliefes
Actually, you told us to "get a life".
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will i said stuff i didnt mean sorry ;) just couldnt imagne that there would be alot of people who dosent believe in god :girl:
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there are too many sins in the world,i guess God will come and ''refresh'' again :D
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will i said stuff i didnt mean sorry ;) just couldnt imagne that there would be alot of people who dosent believe in god :girl:
welcome to the planet earth, where believers and non believe live in not so perfect harmony.
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I do not believe in God, because: Why is there so many Wars, Deaths, Hatred, "Sins"?
It's all religion.
Of course, wars happen because of Resources, Control, Power, and cause of Religion.
WW2, happened cause of that what i said above, and cause of religion.
Now, i can say: In god i distrust!
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Wraith i have a reply about ur stuff in page 10 read it
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Evolution Crap Believers get a life...
We have a life, and we have more time in it, cause we dont spend our life praying and reading damn books!
So its you who should get a life!
And i dont care if we brought it on our self, why we should suffer cuz of the stuff our ancestors done?!
I can say that you are a damn fanatic that tries to prove everyone that there is such thing a god.
Well, stop it, it buggs ppl, and they hate it, i hate it, so stop with your fanatical crap.
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@ Leon - Page 10, that was a beautiful video (The music)
Leon, you also have to not be so center minded. You did the same thing to me on MSN months ago, showing me the picture of the Ear sideways.
In one hand, referring to the video, its pretty convincing, all the signs.
Turn the other hand, you get coincidences... Nothing but coincidences.
Anyways, as Gandalf, myself and some others are saying.. you shoulden't be so arrogant with what you say
Evolution is wrong Big-bang wrong ...God is right ....no argument
Like that.
(I'm gonna be blunt here, so be ready.)
I do not know about you, Leon, but I'd thank the guy all my life that pulled a bullet from my chest and saved my life.
Same with the scientists that finds the cure for AIDS.. Not some thing I, nor anyone else has ever seen or touched or felt.
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Am going to correct my self there....Sorry but the big bang is true and written in quran...ive just discoverd
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Ok So we have been created from nothing? Just think a bit
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Ok So we have been created from nothing? Just think a bit
No we have been created by taking some mud and claying it in to form. Much more believable....
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Please close topic :S
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Leon, this topic was not created for you to be fanatical, it was made for ppl to say if they believe or not.
And admit it, you are a fanatic, you always try to find a way to convince someone that you are right, that there is a god. If there is, and i don't care who, Jesus or Allah, i won't believe in them until i get solid proofs.
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Well, idk what Leon did, but he's made me want to read the Quran, I've always been interested in what it says, and its interpretations.
I will try and buy an English Translated one (an actual book, I hate reading online books) and read it :D
:ps: You guys like the sig I made Leon?
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Being fanatical is a way to hide insecurity and lack of knowledge. If you truly believe, you know that there is no need or requirement to convince others.
But if you have no answers for the questions you see, and refuse to research to come to your own conclusions, the only thing that remains is being fanatic in your defense.
You can accept science and still believe. You can research all religions and still believe. But most choose to close their eyes and ears and shout.
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Just to be clear....I want this topic closed because i h8 it when people cross the line and start saying I dont believe in god...u dont believe just say No and dont right a whole homepage about it
And btw Fat boy thnx alot mate ...any thing i can do to thank you
And by the way Wraith check page 10 if u will..and yes i want people to believe because am sure its the right way...Take it or leave it
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Just to be clear....I want this topic closed because i h8 it when people cross the line and start saying I dont believe in god...u dont believe just say No and dont right a whole homepage about it
And btw Fat boy thnx alot mate ...any thing i can do to thank you
Perhaps you know that is it not you who shall judge. Leave the judgement of people and their belief to God, its his job.
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Agreed :D
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And by the way Wraith check page 10 if u will..and yes i want people to believe because am sure its the right way...Take it or leave it
What does words apearing in food etc proof?, I didn't realy get the message. becouse every belive has some kind of word apearing in food or in clouds or in the colapsing building of the WTC.
The word "stinkeymonkey" will probebly also apear in some food like 1 in a 10bilion times, that bringing me to the amount of food in the words wich is bilions and bilions. Same with threes clouds, planets, dustclouds, stars and everything. Just want to make clear that for 'me' it doesn'nt proof anything.
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If I lay down in the grass and watch the clouds on the sky, I will see inifnite amounts of things. Right now I can see a Pamela Anderson shaped cloud. If someone els would see the same cloud, they would see something els..
If they see Matt Damon, you should respect that and dont make them see Pamela.. If he dont want to that is
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If I lay down in the grass and watch the clouds on the sky, I will see inifnite amounts of things. Right now I can see a Pamela Anderson shaped cloud. If someone els would see the same cloud, they would see something els..
If they see Matt Damon, you should respect that and dont make them see Pamela..
Makes me remind a cave in Bulgaria. The guide showed us all kind of forms, animals, dancers, elves, dwarfs.... but most people including us saw nothing else but rocks....
Still the guide got a good tip for his imagination...
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Something else i concluded from this topic is...
it is nearly impossible to change the opininion of a RPer, or rather members of Argonath ;)
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Its hard to change people's opinions that they have deep faith
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Its hard to change people's opinions that they have deep faith
and the other way round too :)
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Yeah I do :D