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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Merc on June 20, 2008, 01:36:14 am

Title: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on June 20, 2008, 01:36:14 am
Roleplay Tips


I would just like to hint on some things that people don't do very well. These are Merc's tips so its only my opinion, if you do not like or want to flame them, then leave the topic. I hope these will help you out during your roleplaying of Argonath RPG.





1. People pulling out guns from thin air.
- Dont pull M4's or Mic or any weapon from thin air. If your in a vehicle just use '/me loads a clip into his M4.' and then step out of the car with that weapon in your hand, or if your on foot and have a pistol use '/me takes out his pistol from his waistband.' something along those lines.


2. Dual Weapons
- Try retain yourself from using dual weapons like Sawn-off shotguns or Tec9 on foot, this just creates people running around in circles trying to take each others HP health down, doing this is provocation of Deathmatch. This is VERY unrealistic. You can use Dual weapons for passenger Drive-by's but that should be it.


3. Police driving random vehicles.
- Do not drive random vehicles thinking your undercover. If there are not enough police cruisers around, then take a ride from an Officer who does have one. Try not to use Cheetah's for chasing down suspects because that is very unrealistic.


4. Language during roleplay
- "Stfu, lol, omg, wtf, lmao" are all examples of non-roleplay language used during roleplay. It is not hard to change from this "Omg nice car man" to this "Dude nice car". Same as "Stfu man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." and replace it with "Shut it man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." Change your language and stop the nonsense.


5. Bunny hopping
- I class this as a form of powergaming, getting an advantage over other players, although anyone can use it, for instance look out of your window. Do you see any people hopping down the street? No, didn't think so. So please refrane from using 'Bunny hopping' and just tap the sprint button and you will still go pretty fast.


6. GPS System
- If someone is running away from you on foot on in car and you lose them, cut off the roleplay right there. If you have used any of these lines before "Mate use /area ID to find him!" "Look on the map cops come lets go" you are just not roleplaying right. If you lose them on foot and they are hiding somewhere, just let the roleplay go and it will soon follow up.


7. OOC and IC confusion
- Some people I roleplay with ingame get confused with 'In Character' and 'Out Of Character' chat when they are using the "/l" command. All you need to do is put some (( brackets )) around your speech during roleplay. It is very easy and I hope most of you use this technique.
*/l (( I like roleplaying ))
*/l I like roleplaying


8. Random Roleplay
- I have seen people being stupid during roleplay. Like taking a granny skin and dancing in the middle of a gangsta ghetto hood and using things like '/me wants sex!!' and things like '/l C'mon lets have sexual intercourse!'... I mean c'mon, you could do this as OOC roleplaying but dont be stupid and act right and realistic during roleplay.


9. Attempt during roleplay
- Try using '/me attempts to grab John.' and not things like '/me grabs John punches him in the face and karate kicks him in the balls'. Sad to say it is just not realistic. Try giving each other a chance during roleplay by using the "attempt" method.


10. Eyes in the back of your head
- Someone is smoking weed around the corner as the police are driving by. The police cannot see the heroin taker but see the "[Rstar]Merc smokes some weed, getting high." in main chat. So they arrest the guy and that is that. This is almost metagaming and really the police should not see the weed smoker and should have just strolled past normally on patrol. (not offending any police officers or ARPD)


11. All cars are unlocked!
- Seriously c'mon. In real life all cars are not unlocked. Roleplay hotwiring a car with a screwdriver or something. I'm sick of suspects hopping into different cars when they explode. You should just try roleplay hotwiring it up, and if the police point guns at you, just give up.


12. Invincible
- Some players think they are superman, they have a gun pointed at there face and just hit the robber and run. Seriously act right! If you have a gun in your face, act scared!



Remember use the /me command in nearly every situation you come across during roleplay, I hoped this helped.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Austin on June 20, 2008, 02:36:00 am
Roleplay Tips
4. Language during roleplay
- "Stfu, lol, omg, wtf, lmao" are all examples of non-roleplay language used during roleplay. It is not hard to change from this "Omg nice car man" to this "Dude nice car". Same as "Stfu man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." and replace it with "Shut it man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." Change your language and stop the nonsense.

I actually use some of these in real life, i think its not that non-rp..  :razz:
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Kitsune on June 20, 2008, 03:11:41 am
What's the nonsense about "omg nice car man"? People talk like this IRL.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Abraham on June 20, 2008, 03:17:57 am
I've never seen anyone say "Omg (Oh ehm Gee) nice car man" in real life...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Kitsune on June 20, 2008, 03:22:52 am
I don't mean they'll say "O-M-G", it would be said in the full form.

Simply because it is an abbreviation, I don't see that big problem with using it.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Abraham on June 20, 2008, 03:26:34 am
I don't mean they'll say "O-M-G", it would be said in the full form.

Simple because it is an abbreviation, I don't see that big problem with using it.
Touché, but I think it was just an example.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: John_Vaughan on June 20, 2008, 03:35:53 am
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5. Bunny hopping
- I class this as a form of Metagaming, getting an advantage over other players, although anyone can use it, for instance look out of your window. Do you see any people hopping down the street? No, didn't think so. So please refrane from using 'Bunny hopping' and just tap the sprint button and you will still go pretty fast.


Metagaming is Using OOC Knowledge and applying it IC, Classic Example: Calling you in /l by your name because I just saw it on your head, But IC I do not know you at all, We've never met before. So what has Metagaming to do with Bunnyhopping? It is Powergaming.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2008, 05:12:25 am
Bunny-Hopping is not metagaming, it is also not powergaming.
Some say it is not roleplay, some say it is.
Bunny-Hopping is Bunny-Hopping. Its the fastest way to travel, get used to it.

And I have seen people use "Oh Em Gee", or the more common "Ommmgh" (which I use a lot). I also say W-T-F and spell the letters sometimes. So, that fine for me. That said, I wouldn't ever hear a Yakuza Kumicho lining his speech with internet terms, so I refrain from use in roleplay situations.

Now, I am going to be very harsh and quote your whole post, putting an Argonath spin on things. Sorry.

1. People pulling out guns from thin air.
- Dont pull M4's or Mic or any weapon from thin air. If your in a vehicle just use '/me loads a clip into his M4.' and then step out of the car with that weapon in your hand, or if your on foot and have a pistol use '/me takes out his pistol from his waistband.' something along those lines.

Kinda good idea, but to be honest most people tend to just have the gun out anyway. Also, I tend to carry Double Micro Uzis, an AK-47 Assault Rifle, a Combat Shotgun, and sometimes on top of those a Sniper or Country Rifle. I'm not exactly going to load each one for use if I switch.

2. Dual Weapons
- Try retain yourself from using dual weapons like Sawn-off shotguns or Tec9 on foot, this just creates people running around in circles trying to take each others HP health down, doing this is provocation of Deathmatch. This is VERY unrealistic. You can use Dual weapons for passenger Drive-by's but that should be it.

I commonly use dual weapons, particularly the Micro SMG. It is useful as a defense against other dual-wield weapons, and it complements my long range Combat Shotgun well. Also, it is a very good weapon for my Rambo-Style fighting techniques. I'm not gonna ditch all of the jogging-SMGs (i.e. you can shoot them without planting feet) just because they are dual-wield. That said, Sawn-off Shotguns are a little stupid, as they can kill in one lucky body shot if you are caught by surprise.

3. Police driving random vehicles.
- Do not drive random vehicles thinking your undercover. If there are not enough police cruisers around, then take a ride from an Officer who does have one. Try not to use Cheetah's for chasing down suspects because that is very unrealistic.

I agree that Police should use Cruisers, Rangers, and HPVs for Patrols, and technically for chases also. But in the end, its far more effective gameplay-wise to have a ton of random cars then like 2 cruisers full of cops. Sadly, there are not enough Police vehicles for everyone to use, but I personally prefer to patrol alone anyway (always been my style, as an old DPD Officer from last year.)

4. Language during roleplay
- "Stfu, lol, omg, wtf, lmao" are all examples of non-roleplay language used during roleplay. It is not hard to change from this "Omg nice car man" to this "Dude nice car". Same as "Stfu man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." and replace it with "Shut it man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." Change your language and stop the nonsense.

As I mentioned above, I do lace my real speech with actual abbreviations, and do actually say the following:
"Stehfoo", "Loll", "Ommmgh", "Dubble-You-Tee-Eff", "Luhmao". Even so, the character I play is not me. The character I play does not speak this way, so I try to refrain from using them if possible, unless I switch to an OOC mode.

5. Bunny hopping
- I class this as a form of Metagaming, getting an advantage over other players, although anyone can use it, for instance look out of your window. Do you see any people hopping down the street? No, didn't think so. So please refrane from using 'Bunny hopping' and just tap the sprint button and you will still go pretty fast.

People are not going to be put at a disadvantage to their gameplay for the sake of roleplay. I'm not gonna "RP more" and then get shot by the hopping cops. Its one of those touchy subjects that some people hate, but I feel is actually more RP - in its idea. Sure, the idea of hopping around is not real by any means, but there is a certain skill to actually learning how to sprint fast IRL, and this certain skill in GTA is hopping. You are running as fast as possible - hence, RP. Thats my take on it, anyway.

6. GPS System
- If someone is running away from you on foot on in car and you lose them, cut off the roleplay right there. If you have used any of these lines before "Mate use /area ID to find him!" "Look on the map cops come lets go" you are just not roleplaying right. If you lose them on foot and they are hiding somewhere, just let the roleplay go and it will soon follow up.

Similarly, I'm not gonna pretend I can't see someone, when they are blatantly there on my map, therefore putting myself at a disadvantage. Nobody would. Argonath is not one of those magical places, like.. uh.. Disneyland - where everyone is perfect and plays by the rules. People will metagame if it suits them, everyone does it at some time or another, even if they don't intend to. For example, if you see a typo in main chat of the Police radio, and you see they are setting you up, despite being OOC - who is their right mind would go ahead and be set up. And even if you did go, you would still know, as a person at a computer, that it was a set up - in the back of your head, you'd be ready for it.

7. OOC and IC confusion
- Some people I roleplay with ingame get confused with 'In Character' and 'Out Of Character' chat when they are using the "/l" command. All you need to do is put some (( brackets )) around your speech during roleplay. It is very easy and I hope most of you use this technique.
*/l (( I like roleplaying ))
*/l I like roleplaying

This is a very touchy subject for me, because I find the (( )) OOC tags a complete pile of crap, in almost every fashion. I intentionally do not use them ingame, because they frankly look so ridiculous to me. Hence, when I make an OOC message, I make it fairly obvious that it is NOT IC. Either through the use of chat language, multiple smileys (which, by the way, can be used in IC /l also), or through other means. Sometimes, its fairly blatant and people do get confused. Sorry, too bad, I think I made it pretty clear when I'm OOC and IC.

8. Random Roleplay
- I have seen people being stupid during roleplay. Like taking a granny skin and dancing in the middle of a gangsta ghetto hood and using things like '/me wants sex!!' and things like '/l C'mon lets have sexual intercourse!'... I mean c'mon, you could do this as OOC roleplaying but dont be stupid and act right and realistic during roleplay.

This is something very strange, but now and again its fun to do something stupid. Its a game, thats the whole point. However, continuous actions of this kind can get really annoying. An example of a good random roleplay was the zombie outbreak, which when viewed from a fun-ruining-kinda-guy's eyes was essentially a TDM with one team shouting "Brainss!!!" a lot. This was a random ass roleplay which lasted for hours, but everybody found it fun..

Even so, I do prefer to stick to one role, since I cannot changename and as such cannot change roles (and yes, a tag does decide your character - if your nametag says something like "Carl_Johnson" then I won't go like "Hey Ran Fa Li." because thats really.. counter-intuitive.). As a result of constantly being in the Araatus character, I sometimes have to switch IC when doing OOC stuff. Like today was a really good example. SWAT came and ambushed us at San Fierro, and we had a good fight. We had a meetup later (which was really, really un-RP but cool) and the SWAT came and.. had lunch at our Bistro. However, the Corleones came in and we had to try and explain all the cops in our Bistro, even though they were there OOC.

9. Attempt during roleplay
- Try using '/me attempts to grab John.' and not things like '/me grabs John punches him in the face and karate kicks him in the balls'. Sad to say it is just not realistic. Try giving each other a chance during roleplay by using the "attempt" method.

Agree, but not as simply as you say. You say I should "attempt to grab him" instead of "grab him and punch him and karate kick him in the balls". How about simply "grab him", and then give him a chance to react. To be honest, the situations I'm in when I use such extreme /me commands are usually very one-sided (i.e. - loads of Yakuza on one little guy) and as a result the success of the roleplay in my favour is assured, but a smart roleplayer on the other end can at least make me look stupid, or something.

10. Eyes in the back of your head
- Someone is smoking weed around the corner as the police are driving by. The police cannot see the heroin taker but see the "[Rstar]Merc smokes some weed, getting high." in main chat. So they arrest the guy and that is that. This is almost metagaming and really the police should not see the weed smoker and should have just strolled past normally on patrol. (not offending any police officers or ARPD)

Agree, only arrest if you see the guy. If you didn't see it, and try to arrest using the metagaming, at least come up with some complex excuse of you smelling the smoke, or seeing the smoke, or something. Nothing more to say IMO.

11. All cars are unlocked!
- Seriously c'mon. In real life all cars are not unlocked. Roleplay hotwiring a car with a screwdriver or something. I'm sick of suspects hopping into different cars when they explode. You should just try roleplay hotwiring it up, and if the police point guns at you, just give up.

Again, as much as I'd like to hotwire cars, I can't type like the speed of light, and I'm not gonna die in a cop chase and be randomly jailed by new freecops for trying to swiftly type /me commands to hotwire the thing.

12. Invincible
- Some players think they are superman, they have a gun pointed at there face and just hit the robber and run. Seriously act right! If you have a gun in your face, act scared!

I know what you mean, but I only ever see it from the back of the gun. People are surrounded by Katanas to their throat, like 5, 6 or 7 Yakuza guys around, and a gun in their face, and they just spit at us and run away (and often survive for awhile due to the actual difficulty of shooting a freakishly fast target who is zigzagging away). This royally pisses me off, because its just so darned un-RP. If some guy tries to rob me, however, yes - I am invincible in that respect. I'm the leader of the Yakuza. I can just whip out my sword and chop off his head, if I want. So I don't get robbed easily, unless there are at least 4 heavily armed guys, and even then usually only if they are organised crime (i.e. not street gangs). Street Gang thugs annoy me, and roleplay-wise we go by it that they suck at fighting compared to Mafia members in general (which the vast majority do) and therefore I will fight back, probably killing them all or forcing them to flee in terror.





Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Kitsune on June 20, 2008, 05:21:16 am
11. All cars are unlocked!
- Seriously c'mon. In real life all cars are not unlocked. Roleplay hotwiring a car with a screwdriver or something. I'm sick of suspects hopping into different cars when they explode. You should just try roleplay hotwiring it up, and if the police point guns at you, just give up.
Again, as much as I'd like to hotwire cars, I can't type like the speed of light, and I'm not gonna die in a cop chase and be randomly jailed by new freecops for trying to swiftly type /me commands to hotwire the thing.
I agree with Panda here, we are not all 1337 typers.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: MrEcks on June 20, 2008, 06:18:01 am
Ya, I can understand what Panda is talking with the police chase think... I personally don't care if someone uses the /me commands or not though I do use them majority of the time.

But, about the ancornym thing, Ya, I have hear people use them in real life and such... Hell, I've used them from time to time, but things like LMAO and LOL, don't really work in /l as much as WTF or FFS.

Also, on the bunnyhopping, it was never not allowed and is viewed by some as bad RP, but if you as a human found a way to go fast then running, you are telling me you wouldn't use it?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: martenest on June 20, 2008, 06:55:22 am
Roleplay Tips

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3. Police driving random vehicles.
- Do not drive random vehicles thinking your undercover. If there are not enough police cruisers around, then take a ride from an Officer who does have one. Try not to use Cheetah's for chasing down suspects because that is very unrealistic.

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Italian police has a blue Lambo, in Estonia, there are Subarus and stuff for police. How do you catch a cheetah on a speedway with a police cruiser or a bike? Well, bikes don't really matter in police chases at all, you can't take a suspect off track if you are alone. If there are 2 officers on the bike, you can't use "slow-mode" and can't catch the suspect.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Kitsune on June 20, 2008, 06:58:58 am
Of the jumping, already laws of physics are defied, jumping is faster then running and you cannot make everyone not do it, if one person does it, other does so he doesn't have advantage, in the end, so what, you make things more complicated to restrict, you can still catch bullets in the back. Moreover, someone could just attribute that with some kind of erratic dodging movement (even though it's not exact same, still). I generally do not jump if chasing someone, only if they do, but if they do I am not going to complain, it is already unrealistic and there is no rule against it.

The only fix for this is put it back to normal run speed, you cannot make everyone to not jump.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: The_Wolf on June 20, 2008, 07:30:05 am
I never jump while chasing someone, no matter if he is jumping or not. I only tell him that his RP sox and continue with mah own RP. It is nothing like power or metagaming, it's just awful RP. :)
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Paroxysm on June 20, 2008, 09:49:04 am
I actually use some of these in real life, i think its not that non-rp..  :razz:
 

Yeah me too actually lol...

Good tips btw :)

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Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 20, 2008, 10:44:48 am
I actually use some of these in real life, i think its not that non-rp..  :razz:

Example: Lulz wtf u mean? I r not know wt u mean,
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: JJ on June 20, 2008, 11:22:07 am
Reading comments and thinking... "typical..."

Lets not make server cool and more RP
what less RP that cooler it is, congratz
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2008, 01:33:35 pm
Example: Lulz wtf u mean? I r not know wt u mean,

I guess so, technically that should be "Lulz, WTF you mean? I are not know wut you mean.".
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Poncho on June 20, 2008, 02:41:14 pm
I like what you've said here Merc and Panda, both sides are true and that shows the how complex and undefined the nature of RP is, and I think it should stay that way.

In my opinion, I RP how I RP, if someone jumps when I'm chasing them, I'll jump, if they don't I wont.

Also about the unrealistic "running away when there are people all around" scenario. One of my RP characters is very complex and has a long back story that intertwines with other characters played by other player. I won't go into details now but I will just say that he tries to put on a front, he talks the talk but when it gets down to physical fighting, he can't hack it and will try to escape in any possible, be it bargaining or fleeing.

That's just the way I do it, and so many people RP in their own way so I don't think these tips are that useful as the breadth of RP is so wide that no rules can cover it all.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 20, 2008, 02:45:41 pm
Reading comments and thinking... "typical..."

Lets not make server cool and more RP
what less RP that cooler it is, congratz
That's exactly what I said.

Also, this is a different type of RP server, there are some servers (Though a couple just flat out blow...) that you'll get jailed for bunnyhopping for some time, and they're very very strict on all the stuff that Merc stated here.
And the abbreviations, lol, wtf, lulz, etc.

I can't see why people say "No Merc, your ideas suck, so go fuck off."
All he's doing is what I did and try and help the server with some more roleplay.
Add a few rules here & there and you can help curve the 'path'.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Micx on June 20, 2008, 03:56:27 pm
Sorry guy, i didn't have so much patience to read all the responses but:

As someone said: we all aren't great typers...

And, i think, typing half time of playing game is not the point. I really respect and even love what you written to improve RP on Argonath, because its poor these days (normally on server there is like 10 guys RPing great, 20 RPing well but only if u snap them, and the rest is just playing singleplayer with some bots called players).

Actually, I try to use /me as much as i can, but I can't stand situation like I have to stop playing, like freeze when driving, running, and without any animation (minus of this script) stand in a place and start writing sophisticated RP sentences... Although, I like RPing when I'm a passenger in a car, then it's really cool. But stopping the game...naah...

You may blame me now that I'm poor RPer or that I'm wrong, but, trust me, I didn't write everything I think about RPing... ;) I could write few A4 pages about it, but then U wouldn't read it ;)
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 20, 2008, 04:32:42 pm
That's exactly what I said.

Also, this is a different type of RP server, there are some servers (Though a couple just flat out blow...) that you'll get jailed for bunnyhopping for some time, and they're very very strict on all the stuff that Merc stated here.
And the abbreviations, lol, wtf, lulz, etc.

I can't see why people say "No Merc, your ideas suck, so go f**k off."
All he's doing is what I did and try and help the server with some more roleplay.
Add a few rules here & there and you can help curve the 'path'.

Respect to you Hayden ;) Thanks.

Again, as much as I'd like to hotwire cars, I can't type like the speed of light, and I'm not gonna die in a cop chase and be randomly jailed by new freecops for trying to swiftly type /me commands to hotwire the thing.
I agree with Panda here, we are not all 1337 typers.

You don't have to be a great typer, just do in your spare time when your not being chased. If you being chased by cops just keep using the car you have and if it blows up, its your loss.



To me it just looks like people cant be bothered to roleplay, "I cant type fast" and all this. I don't understand why you don't like to roleplay realistically  :conf:
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: JJ on June 20, 2008, 05:14:52 pm
That's exactly what I said.

Also, this is a different type of RP server, there are some servers (Though a couple just flat out blow...) that you'll get jailed for bunnyhopping for some time, and they're very very strict on all the stuff that Merc stated here.
And the abbreviations, lol, wtf, lulz, etc.

Yes... and these are also the best RP servers...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Poncho on June 20, 2008, 06:12:11 pm
I can't see why people say "No Merc, your ideas suck, so go f**k off."
All he's doing is what I did and try and help the server with some more roleplay.
Add a few rules here & there and you can help curve the 'path'.

yeah I can go for that, very true.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 20, 2008, 06:28:00 pm
I was never for complicated RPG server on GTA... More rules - more rulebreakers - more moaners, more fight/arguing, etc... In the end - more and more rules... People and admins started asking in which situations what decision should be...

Lets see... Cops are driving civilian cars... You said - "None RP!"... Why you start think as real life in one direction?
What I mean? For one chase criminal can change 5 cars... It was done to prevent runners... As entering the new car and driving away takes 1-2 seconds... Real life? When the car damaged - criminal just runs to the Pay-n-Spray and car repaired on 100% in 5 seconds... Real life? No... Police cars cannot repair in the same way? So cops should drive with minimum damages - Impossible if they try to stop a criminal... They have to block the road, crash car from road, etc...

So before talking about RP, think...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Austin on June 20, 2008, 07:45:29 pm
I was never for complicated RPG server on GTA... More rules - more rulebreakers - more moaners, more fight/arguing, etc... In the end - more and more rules... People and admins started asking in which situations what decision should be...

Lets see... Cops are driving civilian cars... You said - "None RP!"... Why you start think as real life in one direction?
What I mean? For one chase criminal can change 5 cars... It was done to prevent runners... As entering the new car and driving away takes 1-2 seconds... Real life? When the car damaged - criminal just runs to the Pay-n-Spray and car repaired on 100% in 5 seconds... Real life? No... Police cars cannot repair in the same way? So cops should drive with minimum damages - Impossible if they try to stop a criminal... They have to block the road, crash car from road, etc...

So before talking about RP, think...

Thats only 1 side of what Merc told us there are far more.
Its all about serious Roleplay and about what you can change to yourself. You cant change pay and sprays yourself... Well yeah you can, stop using them. Maybe a new subject Merc?  :razz:
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: JJ on June 20, 2008, 07:50:06 pm
I was never for complicated RPG server on GTA... More rules - more rulebreakers - more moaners, more fight/arguing, etc... In the end - more and more rules... People and admins started asking in which situations what decision should be...

Lets see... Cops are driving civilian cars... You said - "None RP!"... Why you start think as real life in one direction?
What I mean? For one chase criminal can change 5 cars... It was done to prevent runners... As entering the new car and driving away takes 1-2 seconds... Real life? When the car damaged - criminal just runs to the Pay-n-Spray and car repaired on 100% in 5 seconds... Real life? No... Police cars cannot repair in the same way? So cops should drive with minimum damages - Impossible if they try to stop a criminal... They have to block the road, crash car from road, etc...

So before talking about RP, think...

Typical Argonath...
Less RP = more fun?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2008, 07:54:48 pm
Sorry, but since these "More RP" methods would ruin the fun - yes.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: tiderman on June 20, 2008, 08:02:55 pm
Sorry, but since these "More RP" methods would ruin the fun - yes.
I dont see how the TIPS can ruin the fun..
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 20, 2008, 08:12:07 pm
I've only seen two people complain about my, and others tips on trying to give Argonath players better, and more defined RP.


And Ron, that isn't always the case, yes sometimes it happens, but admins will have control over it.
Like the Bunnyhopping situation, if there was a rule (Which there was a while back) that bunnyhopping isn't allowed, it only takes a few words to tell players to stop. Maybe a kick or two, but nobodys really gonna complain about it.

:ps: Oh dammnit! I JUST SPILLED COFFEE ALL OVER MY KEYBOARD!
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 20, 2008, 10:44:19 pm
If the blips were off radar then any Rp could happen, you would get no people going to pay n spray in middle of a chase, and no cops searching for orange blips then shoot them down. I am dissapointed that so many disagree with my ideas. Well its you that doesn't want to develop argonaths roleplay state, shame on you.


Why do you call your self Argonath RPG and not Argonath Developing Roleplayers. Seriously it looks like you don't like change for the better and if the state of roleplay doesn't change I am not waiting around for it. I'll be long gone.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Pandalink on June 21, 2008, 06:57:36 am
It is my opinion that the "state of the roleplay" is perfectly fine, and always has been. Nothing needs to change IMO, which is why I explained through your points to try and find those which could assist the current roleplays.

Seriously it looks like you don't like change for the better and if the state of roleplay doesn't change I am not waiting around for it. I'll be long gone.

If the Argonath style of Roleplay does not suit, then maybe a modded GF Script server might? Enjoy your 20 minutes in jail for bunny-hopping (which you must remain online for), 2 hours for DMing (as in, a single random kill), and a massive 5 hours for continued DM that I have seen some players suffer.

The state of the roleplay on Argonath is unique, and better than every single other eoleplay server without a doubt. I have stated multiple times that I am against the "Valhalla'ing" of Argonath. Whats the point of just spawning another set of anal roleplayers who complain when you use smileys? Argonath is unique, and should stay that way.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Abraham on June 21, 2008, 07:08:41 am
Omg, he's just giving a few tips and everyone go "bubu he hurt my feelings" , gjou oup
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 07:33:52 am
I did not see any "boo boo he hurt my feelings"... People who do not like idea - tell their opinion as well... So, Abraham, stop turning topic to just flaming each other...

Me and Kaltsu were on other RP servers, when just started working with SAMP... And what?

- You cannot be a cop, while you are not trusted by admins to... pick up this skins... Kaltsu and me that time were 100% cops gamers, all our role we liked to play - cop... So what? we should sit and wait when we will get a cop role? That time server owner decided to give us cop rights cos server was not popular... So we played, tried commands, guys were happy, asked to come again... I think that time they already understood - not every "noober" on their server is a bad roleplayer and cops as well...
- Another server - Max's server, the guy, who gave to Argonath camerahack for SAMP... 3-4 people - chat is empty... No blips, nothing... Only people coming-leaving... When Max came, he teleported to me... We talked a lil, as he knew me before already, so he started explaining to me what and how... The server had only local chat and phone... You must buy a phone to talk in public chat... Now explain me, people, and how the hack could I understand it, when I saw no chat, no blips... The same - to other new guys...

Want to remove radar? Perfect...
With the radar has connection chat script... It means if you make local chat by default, you will see only local chat blips... We were already experimenting it... And what? NOBODY liked... NOBODY... All who were in those public tests (around 70 people on server) - all did not like local chat by default...

The first RP servers who started such practice as local chat by default - were those servers, who started setting bots (unreal players) to gain stats... And local chat was and on some servers is still used for hiding the real amount of real players... Why? Connection with other players is minimum...

We do not want connection with other players to minimum... We tried city wide chat and see that even with it people have problems... I was spectating a guy, who spawned in Las venturas... He was asking questions with normal city wide chat... Nobody answered... He was already like angry, then I answered in local chat to him, so we talked a lil... I explained how chat works, what are the functions of server... Without it - player would already leave server foreva...

The rule of multiplayer community is one... This rule was made by Galadriel, though she does not know about it :D:
The server must be friendly to the new people
If people come and already have problems with connection to other players, without answering their questions, without understanding why in stats 69/100 and on server he sees only himself - server will lose, roleplay will lose as well...

to be continued...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 07:49:43 am
PART II

When I said that by hunting "perfect RP", players will start make new rules, more and more, I meant the next:

- you already start telling - do not use Pay-N-Spray its none RP...
- before it Hayden was trying to implement the rule "RP chat" "Non RP chat"... When I use (()) its RP chat (or none RP, du not remember)... From others I hear "Do not put RP chat in city wide chat"... Etc...
- others said - lets block Sprite machines by objects like on other server...
- others say - cops cannot use other weapons then deagle and nightstick!..
- others say - cops cannot pull over, I did nothing!

Did you know why cops wanted you to pull over? Do you know the difference between Deagle and other weapons like m5, tech and sawn off? What else in GTA SA we should block for you besides Sprite machines? What makes you roleplay? the chat system or you? Should we close all garages around on the map?
And then whats the point of such GTA server, when most of original features will be blocked?
You think you will start roleplay better?
No way...
MTA VC has weapons all the time... They spawn with guns, they have weapons pickups... Health pickups as well...
They have no city wide or local chat... Still the Roleplay amount is higher then on SA server... And if guy takes an Ice Cream car - at least 3-5 guys will buy imaginary ice cream... and will pay money for "nothing"... But have fun and roleplay...
Why for SA server you need laws and more rules for Roleplay? Why in SA server you all complain on some third part?

And the main question:

Why you want to make a Prison from Argonath? And blame Argonath scripts and features in ruining your Roleplay?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 08:03:41 am
Typical Argonath...
Less RP = more fun?

Less forced RP - more freedom and fun... Do not like it - just go to servers where they jail people for jumping in game (lolzomfgwtfbbq)...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 08:09:34 am
And Ron, that isn't always the case, yes sometimes it happens, but admins will have control over it.
Like the Bunnyhopping situation, if there was a rule (Which there was a while back)

Lie... We NEVER had such rule... As you see you prove my words - soon you will make rules when and how should people run and walk on server...

that bunnyhopping isn't allowed, it only takes a few words to tell players to stop. Maybe a kick or two, but nobodys really gonna complain about it.

Why should we disallow bunnyhopping? What exactly it ruins? Roleplay? Excuse me? Maybe we should disallow skins as well as they are not real and are just some 3d models?

Few words to tell people to follow some rules? Have you tried to count how many deathmatchers were kicked/banned and how many cheaters were banned? Yeah - that is Argonath fault - all Argonath needed to tell a few words to players to stop cheating...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 08:21:01 am
If the blips were off radar then any Rp could happen, you would get no people going to pay n spray in middle of a chase, and no cops searching for orange blips then shoot them down. I am dissapointed that so many disagree with my ideas.

Yeah? And how removing blips from radars will stop people of using Pay-n-Spray? Probably you want cops do not do their work as well, or drive around and ask "Are you criminal?"

Well its you that doesn't want to develop argonaths roleplay state, shame on you. Why do you call your self Argonath RPG and not Argonath Developing Roleplayers. Seriously it looks like you don't like change for the better and if the state of roleplay doesn't change I am not waiting around for it. I'll be long gone.

Thanks for said words... Yeah we suck in Roleplay vision, we do not want to kick ban people for jumping, using cars they want, using guns they want, etc... We are so bad... And why the hell you think that YOU are right? And prisoned Roleplay is better?
Serious roleplay? Its a game... You are not suppose on Argonath move, how admins say to the directions tyou are scripted...
But nobody will take your rules to implement on server just cos you will be gone if not...

And yeah - we call ourselves ArgonathRPG cos we are a Role Playing server... And we do not edit half of map and do not cut half of features of GTA just cos you cannot use it properly... Like cuffed RP - go on other servers... This is all I can suggest to you...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Trobby888 on June 21, 2008, 08:33:07 am
Overall, of the points merc mentioned, I only agree with 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 12. The rest I would have to discuss about.

PART II
MTA VC has weapons all the time... They spawn with guns, they have weapons pickups... Health pickups as well...
They have no city wide or local chat... Still the Roleplay amount is higher then on SA server... And if guy takes an Ice Cream car - at least 3-5 guys will buy imaginary ice cream... and will pay money for "nothing"... But have fun and roleplay...

To be honest, I actually agree with this. I prefer MTA over SAMP, not because I am an admin in MTA, and not one in SAMP, but the fact that people in MTA are more nice, and do not complain about things such as "you used radar to find me, how un-RP!", and I have never seen people on forums in MTA, suggesting that things like Minimap blips, HUDs and all those sorts of things should not be used. Once in SAMP, when I was a cop, and lost visual with a suspect, he "Hid" in a carpark, and when I found him, he complains "Un-RP radar using cop". Ok, now let me not use my radar then. I'll just cruise around the block until I see him. Still I would hear "Un-RP radar using cop". So does that mean, he is allowed in that carpark and stay there forever, and I am not allowed to go in there ever?

People are just complaining more and more about things that seem slightly unrealistic in the game. In MTA, people always use "Lol", "omg", "ffs" and those languages in their RP. Doesn't seem like people would use them in real life. But so what? We are just having fun in the server, why are we complaining about such petty things, and that they are not realistic? Are we ruining what someone is trying to roleplay, like the DM? Are we annoying and irritating the player, just like continously ramming a player with those language? No, we are just using language that suits the way we want to speak on the server. Why should we restrict the speaking in roleplaying down to such simple languages? It's like putting a x=0.001 and x=-0.001 asymptote on a cartician plate, and expecting that the person should be able to draw it to scale, of 1:1cm.

Ok, another thing is, do you ever see people in real life, magically seeing words on the top left of their sight, saying things like "Player 2 hotwires the car", and in the meantime, the player is frozen in position, while this happens? This is just an excuse for the cops to be able to fully stop a suspect from grabbing a car and running away. We introduced a 5 car rule, and there is no need to add more to the restrictions of how the suspect runs away.

Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 08:57:19 am
I was checking Undercover the taxi drivers work (admins know :))...
So I was at San Fierro Airport and typing /taxi... On server were 6 taxi drivers... Guess who arrived to pick me up... Nobody... I was at airport more then 20 minutes, periodically reminding about taxi client by /taxi command...
So what made less RP? new rule - taxi driver cannot leave taxi car? or new rule - taxi driver should be teleported to client?
I am sure that those who are moaning about Argonath rules will think over a new one for taxi drivers Roleplay increasing...
BTW when I asked pickup me on cop radio - also none came... Only Jaaska arrived with the helicopter (big thanks :D)... So maybe also start demand a script that teleports the nearest cop to pick you up?

You all are telling that Argonath is not the same as long time ago?
I was undercover and did not find any difference... Only one...
Last time increased amount of moaners... And that are the MAIN people who ruin Argonath...
I was spectating some of this moaners and actually did not like their actions... besides shitty roleplay and provokes, they demand taking actions when lose and start disturb everyone - from local player to 1337 admin...

this is what changed on Argonath... Less moaners - more RP would be... I know that...
We stopped moaners on MTA VC when just opened... Were coming like diversion our "friends" and shitting chat "OMG this server sucks! Non RP!"... So we had to stop moaners... And what? Did we lose in RP or MTA VC community? nope...

LOL OMG OMFG ROFL was first usage in internet chat to prevent long logs... It was a smiles level...
Typing fast in game also in need... So why should not people use just "LOL" instead off "I was laughing out loud a lot dude!"
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Specter on June 21, 2008, 09:08:38 am
Teleporting is always against RP. I learned this from Aragorn :)
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 09:40:16 am
LOL OMG OMFG ROFL was first usage in internet chat to prevent long logs... It was a smiles level...
Typing fast in game also in need... So why should not people use just "LOL" instead off "I was laughing out loud a lot dude!"

/me laughs.

/l (( LOL ))



Is it really that hard to make it. . . Roleplayable?

It is not about us moaning, it is about us trying to improve roleplay... I see you don't want that.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: polopolo on June 21, 2008, 10:06:26 am
Quote
The rule of multiplayer community is one... This rule was made by Galadriel, though she does not know about it :
The server must be friendly to the new people

With DM its easy. With RP its not easy. From all servers I joined of RP, was Argonath easy to join, thats why I am here.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 10:36:40 am
/me laughs.
/l (( LOL ))
Is it really that hard to make it. . . Roleplayable?
It is not about us moaning, it is about us trying to improve roleplay... I see you don't want that.

You do not want to improve the roleplay... And I can explain why...
Because in:
/me laughs.
/l (( LOL ))
and
Aragorn: LOL!
NO ANY difference... and NO ANY stuff that makes Aragorn - deathmatcher or NONE roleplayer and you opposite...

You do not understand one thing - roleplay is not in (()) you will use in phrase, roleplay is in your actions... And thanks god we have more players who understand it...
And yes - this is moaning... From "TIPS" you fall down to blaming server and even blackmailing "I will then leave"...
And yes - I am against admins and players watch each other who f**king jumped and who walks... That is nonsense... Non jumping will not increase roleplay...
Wanna check it? then join "non jumping" servers... People are getting bored there and annoyed after 5 days of playing (do not do this, do not do that)...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Gandalf on June 21, 2008, 10:38:18 am
/me laughs.

/l (( LOL ))



Is it really that hard to make it. . . Roleplayable?

It is not about us moaning, it is about us trying to improve roleplay... I see you don't want that.

Why not use /lol and you will see laughing animation ? Its there.....
Roleplay does not improve by commands or scripts. It depends on your fantasy and ability to create funny or interesting situations by improvisation.

Tons of rules will just stop the play.

A nice example from MTA:VC, another server of old times. A command to rob the bank was created, and the player had to wait inside the bank for 3 minutes. The admins decided to create a rule that people were not allowed in the bank during this time, to 'improve roleplay' (actually because they would be shot dead within that time because they sucked at fighting  :D). So a robber walks in to the bank, where 3 cops are inside, starts a robbery and then starts shouting cops are not allowed in the bank....
Real RP. You want to rob a bank, choose one filled with cops and tell the cops 'this is a robbery and hostage situation, get outside and do your job'..... :lol:

From this we learned that combining rules and scripts will lead to
1) New people not understanding what the hell they are supposed to do
2) Dead RP with people acting like robots

Now I know that many people are just not able to use their imagination and fantasy, and need to be guided by their Great Leader of Scripts in every step of the way.
But the real RP is when you make people who are coming near you by accident part of the situation. When you see that cop coming near your drug deal and make him laugh by doing something unexpected. It is reacting and interacting with other players.
RP does not need any commands, it started on DM servers by people who were bored shooting the hell out of each other.
It does not need strict rules for chat, if you can not understand the difference between what is in or out of character, you need to clean up your act.

So when are YOU going to learn and do the real RP ?

Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 12:08:44 pm
Real roleplay is when you learn your character well.

Now I know that many people are just not able to use their imagination and fantasy, and need to be guided by their Great Leader of Scripts in every step of the way.
Using your imagination and fantasy isn't really realistic, you need to build it around your character. I am not asking for scripts in every sight, I am asking for things to be more realistic.

And yes - this is moaning... From "TIPS" you fall down to blaming server and even blackmailing "I will then leave"...

I was trying to give advice to people to not act like dicks when roleplaying, if you don't like the ideas then fine. I said I've had enough I will leave if it does not improve, not that I havn't tried to improve it and just fucked off somewhere else, but that I have tried, many dislike, therefore I see no point staying if I can't help nothing. It just happens when your sick of something.

You do not understand one thing - roleplay is not in (()) you will use in phrase, roleplay is in your actions

That is only 1 side of it, the actions, people have to talk too. I have looked at the actions and am trying to prove to people that running around with Tec's is not roleplay etc...

... And thanks god we have more players who understand it...

Thanks for saying that I do not understand roleplay, sorry but your wrong.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Gandalf on June 21, 2008, 01:18:13 pm
Yeah we have different visions on roleplay.

But if you want it to be realistic, next time you die, don't come back on server....

Our intention is to make it as free as possible for everyone. Want to play 'hardcore'RP with your character, making it grow ? You can.
Like to change roles every time you are on server, or just when you are bored with your current on ? You can too.

We are not going to make the server restricted for only one kind of player who wants everything like in real life. Want real life ? Go out and live it.
Want to play a game ? Do not expect everything as reality.

If you feel that using your imagination and fantasy is not realistic, then you 'did not get it'.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 01:37:28 pm
No Merc, I am not wrong... I know exactly how RPG started in GTA multiplayer, and was in the beginning of it, developing it, and leading it... So trust me - you have no idea whats RolePlay in GTA...

You have no idea whats roleplay if you think that people, who type in chat "OMG nice car!" are all "act like dicks when roleplaying"... That is absurd...
Absurd is demand from players to limit their original control panel options - jumping...
Absurd is to Set special objects to hide original objects...

Do not like it - make your own server with your own map without GTA features, and as Gandalf said - once died - leave server and do not come back for zomg realism...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Jserg on June 21, 2008, 01:40:47 pm


Do not like it - make your own server with your own map without GTA features, and as Gandalf said - once died - leave server and do not come back for zomg realism...


Thats true...This is Rp.....
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: JJ on June 21, 2008, 01:48:08 pm
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Merc just wants this to be R-O-L-E  P-L-A-Y server and you just start flaming on him...
Well as much as i know RP is not "Police man /su ID punching me, then /s surrender!!, then *boom* *boom* shoot the suspect "
Maybe the name should change to "Cops Vs Civilians"?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Whisky on June 21, 2008, 01:52:20 pm
Lol, the first page maked me laugh.
And i was "lol" in real life.
Like someone says a joke, i say "lol".
And Merc, (()) havs to be used.
It helped me today when i said: Hunter_Whisky says: ((I am RPing that i am hiding in a bush)).
And it worker. We need it. Or at least me.

Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Abraham on June 21, 2008, 02:14:50 pm
I did not see any "boo boo he hurt my feelings"... People who do not like idea - tell their opinion as well... So, Abraham, stop turning topic to just flaming each other...
Aragorn, I'm not attempting to turn the topic into flame, It just makes me mad how people just can't accept that some people roleplay in other ways. He gives a few tips on how to roleplay (his definition of roleplaying) and everyone goes "bad idea!!", it's not an idea, it's TIPS on how to increase your roleplay standards (his definition).
I'm not the one trashing his tips and making this topic into a flame topic, try looking from more points of views then your own. Can't you realize that this was from the beginning just a way to help people rp "more" ? and now it's turned into a battle of who knows how to RP, and which way of RP is the best.
There's no winning in a battle like this, only loosing.

Now, I'll try to stay out of this as much as possible, thanks.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Gandalf on June 21, 2008, 02:38:11 pm
What the f**k is wrong with you people?
Merc just wants this to be R-O-L-E  P-L-A-Y server and you just start flaming on him...
Well as much as i know RP is not "Police man /su ID punching me, then /s surrender!!, then *boom* *boom* shoot the suspect "
Maybe the name should change to "Cops Vs Civilians"?
Correct... so who will start RP a shopkeeper that is actually present in his business ?
Who is RPing a non-gang, non-mafia citizen that looks for a job ?

And most of all... who is keeping Merc from playing as he want to ?
We are not against 'hardcore' RP. We are not against making a character grow.
Just we do not see this kind should be made R-U-L-E for all to follow.

Tips great, and if you want to follow them, no problem. But do not start asking admins and developers to make your way of playing a rule.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 02:45:13 pm
No Merc, I am not wrong... I know exactly how RPG started in GTA multiplayer, and was in the beginning of it, developing it, and leading it... So trust me - you have no idea whats RolePlay in GTA...

You have no idea whats roleplay if you think that people, who type in chat "OMG nice car!" are all "act like dicks when roleplaying"... That is absurd...
Absurd is demand from players to limit their original control panel options - jumping...
Absurd is to Set special objects to hide original objects...

Do not like it - make your own server with your own map without GTA features, and as Gandalf said - once died - leave server and do not come back for zomg realism...

Acting like a 'dick' is when some random old women follows a group of gangstas into their hood and starts going /me wants sex that sometimes pisses me off cause its not reality.
And then you start exaggerating my ideas, for example leaving server when you die, I mean, my ideas are not that 'hardcore', end of this argument, I will not argue back now cause its going nowhere.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 02:59:33 pm
What the f**k is wrong with you people?
Merc just wants this to be R-O-L-E  P-L-A-Y server and you just start flaming on him...
Well as much as i know RP is not "Police man /su ID punching me, then /s surrender!!, then *boom* *boom* shoot the suspect "
Maybe the name should change to "Cops Vs Civilians"?

So that you know - police was the first role on GTA multiplayer... And the first server started Roleplaying - made right the police command... That was all... All server had - just wanted system - jail/kill awards... Server had the biggest community on GTA and was crowded 24/7... When they started making money feature and more "jobs" on requests from players - server turned to shit... Admins were sitting and kicking everyone who was "none-rp" from their point of view, players started moaning on each other... This did not last long... After the new scripts version with more so-called "rp"? like jobs paydays, robberies, server died totally... If you do not believe - I can give you the name of this community and its servers - all are empty...

The same are trying to do the group of moaners on Argonath... And I see in it - special tryings to ruin the server... First of all needs to shit others - you all showed it already... Secondly - to make more and more rules so players will even breath by scripts and commands, and every step should discuss with admins...

***

You do not understand why we are negative? Cos server has a biggest stuff for roleplaying in your style then any other server... Server has properties, cars, jobs, events, citizens... Those, who like roleplay - they are playing and getting fun... Those who like to blame - always are looking for problems outside and not in themselves...

Mostly all the same...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 03:06:35 pm
And then you start exaggerating my ideas, for example leaving server when you die, I mean, my ideas are not that 'hardcore', end of this argument, I will not argue back now cause its going nowhere.

Exactly why Gandalf said about this "die - leave"... He compared your suggestions which are absurd in point of incresing the roleplay with such example... Bunnyhopping is not allowed - already hardcore, already more and more forced rules...
Cops cannot take civilian cars - the same... Why not? Whats the problem? The one problem - there are no cars at police departments, cos cars respawn system is bugged on SAMP (R3 fixes part of it, so cops will less take other cars)...

You ever asked cops why they did it?

- because no car on parking
- because other car is handling better
- because criminal has fast car

all you can join in one - cos cops are also players and wanna also fucking enjoy the game as others... They like to be cops and they also have their own likes in cars... So why should you run after every cop - "wanna drive the car you like - do not play as cop"... Its a fucking game and not a real life - this is what Gandalf pointed you to...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Austin on June 21, 2008, 03:14:26 pm
So that you know - police was the first role on GTA multiplayer... And the first server started Roleplaying - made right the police command... That was all... All server had - just wanted system - jail/kill awards... Server had the biggest community on GTA and was crowded 24/7... When they started making money feature and more "jobs" on requests from players - server turned to shit... Admins were sitting and kicking everyone who was "none-rp" from their point of view, players started moaning on each other... This did not last long... After the new scripts version with more so-called "rp"? like jobs paydays, robberies, server died totally... If you do not believe - I can give you the name of this community and its servers - all are empty...


Probably not such a strong community as Argonath...

And you keep talking about the cops with the cars. But me as a deputy chief actually agrees. As cop try not to drive in a civilian car, but yes ofcourse sometimes you have to...

But thats not the whole story, Merc has tips for use all to increase RP and you can hate it, but i dont see why being so offensive like this...  :eek:

Tips great, and if you want to follow them, no problem

I agree with this. We dont need an arguement like this.  :)
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 03:18:23 pm
Aragorn, I'm not attempting to turn the topic into flame, It just makes me mad how people just can't accept that some people roleplay in other ways. He gives a few tips on how to roleplay (his definition of roleplaying) and everyone goes "bad idea!!", it's not an idea, it's TIPS on how to increase your roleplay standards (his definition).

I was reading from the beginning... I did not see anyone blaming Merc... I saw Panda wrote his own point of view, and from that it started... What started - I also saw... From TIPS Merc turned it into blackmail "will not change - I will not stay long here"... This you call TIPS? And yes, when I saw those "Why you call yourself Argonath RPG" etc...
This is telling an admin? We could also ask him - why the fuck he is an admin on a shitty none-rp server?

Yes, I took it as an attack on Argonath RPG... Like you or not our name... And Argonath RPG is the one server, who united different styles and does not let servers to fall in a total idiotic absurd...

This TIPS not so far ago leaded to the fight in admins team and losing rights of Hayden, cos he started making his own rules of (()) chats (I am sorry for those who cannot roleplay without instructions - you are poor gamers), double nicks with first and second names, and even started punishing players for "none - rp", like that...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 03:19:55 pm
But thats not the whole story, Merc has tips for use all to increase RP and you can hate it, but i dont see why being so offensive like this...  :eek:

Cos I was reading all thread and every word...
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Probably not such a strong community as Argonath...

They had even bigger and more strong community...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Austin on June 21, 2008, 03:30:03 pm
Like i said, Merc only wants to increase the Roleplay and therefor has some tips... But i can understand that when he sees these replies, you wont get happier...  :neutral:

Ofcourse some points maybe too 'hardcore', but also some i can agree with...  :)

old women follows a group of gangstas into their hood and starts going /me wants sex

Heh makes me think of... xcasio?   :rofl:
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Whisky on June 21, 2008, 03:48:03 pm
double nicks with first and second names

Isn't it suposed to be good?
It's much more RPer, normal names are good too, but double names are RPer...
I think.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:08:14 pm
It's much more RPer, normal names are good too, but double names are RPer... I think.

If some idiot will take a nick Golden_Roleplayer, it will not prevent him from being an idiot... I am sure...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Whisky on June 21, 2008, 04:11:10 pm
Golden_Roleplayer?
Names like that are stupid.
Names that are realistic like James_Crops or Jessica_Klays is RP, and its relistic.
Names like Golden_Roleplayer or Killer_Silver are stupid and unrealistic.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:12:04 pm
Like i said, Merc only wants to increase the Roleplay and therefor has some tips... But i can understand that when he sees these replies, you wont get happier...  :neutral:

It will make more mess instead...
First were TIPs, then Hayden made a whole topic about bunnyhopping cos it does not allow him to roleplay and he cannot live with it, after that will start demand, some admins will start to kick and even ban people for that...

You can follow your way of Roleplay only do not scream later "WTF he is bunnyhopping!"... And any admin who will start warn people or kick for this - will get troubles with me personally...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Gandalf on June 21, 2008, 04:12:35 pm
Isn't it suposed to be good?
It's much more RPer, normal names are good too, but double names are RPer...
I think.
Perhaps we are getting old, but RP means that you choose a character (skin if you like) and try to play as you see its habits.
A nick is used to people know who you are in chat...and by keeping it the same no matter your role people will know who they play with.
A single name nick is more effective as it is easier to take clan names or tags on to it.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Abraham on June 21, 2008, 04:13:28 pm
(...)
One thing leads to another huh? :P
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:14:06 pm
Golden_Roleplayer?
Names like that are stupid.
Names that are realistic like James_Crops or Jessica_Klays is RP, and its relistic.
Names like Golden_Roleplayer or Killer_Silver are stupid and unrealistic.

You've just proved that you do not get the point... So for those who are far from thinking skills:
You can call yourself James_Crops, but if you suck as roleplayer - you will still suck and your nick cannot change you...
You are a fucking human, ffs, and not a number of letters...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:15:16 pm
One thing leads to another huh? :P

It was already... Right the reason why Hayden was removed from admins team...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Whisky on June 21, 2008, 04:17:58 pm
You've just proved that you do not get the point... So for those who are far from thinking skills:
You can call yourself James_Crops, but if you suck as roleplayer - you will still suck and your nick cannot change you...
You are a f**king human, ffs, and not a number of letters...
Ok, i didnt really got that...

Perhaps we are getting old, but RP means that you choose a character (skin if you like) and try to play as you see its habits.
A nick is used to people know who you are in chat...and by keeping it the same no matter your role people will know who they play with.
A single name nick is more effective as it is easier to take clan names or tags on to it.
Normal Font - Maybe, but if it's an RP server, it would be good to put double names too, im not saying that everone should do that.

Bold Font - With a clan tag you can put like this: James_Crops   [CT]Crops/[CT]James  James_Clantag.
No?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 21, 2008, 04:23:09 pm
Umm, Ron, where did I come in this topic?
The bunnyhopping thing... if you read my last post...

Was not "Admins, make this a rule now!"
It was to get everyone together that didn't like it, so we can all try and tell others to not do it. Same with the 'move to SF' and what Kaltsu did.
Thank you.

Also, if my rights got removed for 'trying to improve RP' or whatever, why didn't you say so in the first place?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Gandalf on June 21, 2008, 04:29:30 pm
Also, if my rights got removed for 'trying to improve RP' or whatever, why didn't you say so in the first place?
Not 'trying to improve RP', but 'making your own rules' was a part of it.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:30:11 pm
Hayden and others will make a topic - leave Bunnyhopping alone!
No thanks...
No use...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 21, 2008, 04:32:10 pm
Hayden and others will make a topic - leave Bunnyhopping alone!
No thanks...
No use...
Fine :( :P
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 04:32:50 pm
Maybe, but if it's an RP server, it would be good to put double names too, im not saying that everone should do that.

We do not punish for double names... We are FREE... Wanna double names - use double names... But do not demand from others the same... They are free to choose any nick they want...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 05:04:44 pm
All who like this TIPS idea can read it, if you don't like it then just leave it and carry on roleplaying as you are, said and done.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Whisky on June 21, 2008, 05:07:14 pm
We do not punish for double names... We are FREE... Wanna double names - use double names... But do not demand from others the same... They are free to choose any nick they want...
Who the hell said that im demanding?!
I even said that no one has to do it.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 05:55:37 pm
All who like this TIPS idea can read it, if you don't like it then just leave it and carry on roleplaying as you are, said and done.

The same... Use this tips for YOURSELF please... And do not piss off if others find it absurd... Also do not call them non-RPers... Just live with it...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: WDoyle on June 21, 2008, 06:43:51 pm
I agree with Aragorn.
Fucking ridiculous :) I use lol in real life :D Dont try and tell me thats it not used in  real life because it is.
If you cannot cope with peoples rps then just relax and leave it not make a topic that makes people pissed off :)

Merc, Take Aragorns advice :)
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 06:51:38 pm
It is not meant to piss people off and it was only 1 part that I wrote about,  you see mafias and gangstas in real life saying "ell ohh ell"?, If you roleplay yourself ingame then no problem by all means do it, thats my opinion, as I said before if you think this pisses you off then leave the topic.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 21, 2008, 08:03:00 pm
as I said before if you think this pisses you off then leave the topic.

Depends what else you will start telling about all those who are not agree with your vision... If it will be continued as propaganda "I am giving you the better RP", then sorry, the thread will be under watch... If overtaken - locked...
So not your business to tell me - be here or leave...
The one who was pissed off - is you, and you admit it... So please do not start putting on others shoulders own negative...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Merc on June 21, 2008, 08:50:16 pm
There is no need for him to flame the topic :devroll: why doesn't he just stay out of it?
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: JJ on June 21, 2008, 09:31:08 pm
Now everybody should say sorry to eachother, and everybody still friends.
And make this topic sticky...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Grovyle on June 21, 2008, 11:56:23 pm
Now everybody should say sorry to eachother, and everybody still friends.
And make this topic sticky...

Why sticky?

Lets see my opinion:

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1. People pulling out guns from thin air.
- Dont pull M4's or Mic or any weapon from thin air. If your in a vehicle just use '/me loads a clip into his M4.' and then step out of the car with that weapon in your hand, or if your on foot and have a pistol use '/me takes out his pistol from his waistband.' something along those lines.


2. Dual Weapons
- Try retain yourself from using dual weapons like Sawn-off shotguns or Tec9 on foot, this just creates people running around in circles trying to take each others HP health down, doing this is provocation of Deathmatch. This is VERY unrealistic. You can use Dual weapons for passenger Drive-by's but that should be it.


3. Police driving random vehicles.
- Do not drive random vehicles thinking your undercover. If there are not enough police cruisers around, then take a ride from an Officer who does have one. Try not to use Cheetah's for chasing down suspects because that is very unrealistic.


4. Language during roleplay
- "Stfu, lol, omg, wtf, lmao" are all examples of non-roleplay language used during roleplay. It is not hard to change from this "Omg nice car man" to this "Dude nice car". Same as "Stfu man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." and replace it with "Shut it man, you ain't doing yourself any favours." Change your language and stop the nonsense.


5. Bunny hopping
- I class this as a form of powergaming, getting an advantage over other players, although anyone can use it, for instance look out of your window. Do you see any people hopping down the street? No, didn't think so. So please refrane from using 'Bunny hopping' and just tap the sprint button and you will still go pretty fast.


6. GPS System
- If someone is running away from you on foot on in car and you lose them, cut off the roleplay right there. If you have used any of these lines before "Mate use /area ID to find him!" "Look on the map cops come lets go" you are just not roleplaying right. If you lose them on foot and they are hiding somewhere, just let the roleplay go and it will soon follow up.


7. OOC and IC confusion
- Some people I roleplay with ingame get confused with 'In Character' and 'Out Of Character' chat when they are using the "/l" command. All you need to do is put some (( brackets )) around your speech during roleplay. It is very easy and I hope most of you use this technique.
*/l (( I like roleplaying ))
*/l I like roleplaying


8. Random Roleplay
- I have seen people being stupid during roleplay. Like taking a granny skin and dancing in the middle of a gangsta ghetto hood and using things like '/me wants sex!!' and things like '/l C'mon lets have sexual intercourse!'... I mean c'mon, you could do this as OOC roleplaying but dont be stupid and act right and realistic during roleplay.


9. Attempt during roleplay
- Try using '/me attempts to grab John.' and not things like '/me grabs John punches him in the face and karate kicks him in the balls'. Sad to say it is just not realistic. Try giving each other a chance during roleplay by using the "attempt" method.


10. Eyes in the back of your head
- Someone is smoking weed around the corner as the police are driving by. The police cannot see the heroin taker but see the "[Rstar]Merc smokes some weed, getting high." in main chat. So they arrest the guy and that is that. This is almost metagaming and really the police should not see the weed smoker and should have just strolled past normally on patrol. (not offending any police officers or ARPD)


11. All cars are unlocked!
- Seriously c'mon. In real life all cars are not unlocked. Roleplay hotwiring a car with a screwdriver or something. I'm sick of suspects hopping into different cars when they explode. You should just try roleplay hotwiring it up, and if the police point guns at you, just give up.


12. Invincible
- Some players think they are superman, they have a gun pointed at there face and just hit the robber and run. Seriously act right! If you have a gun in your face, act scared!

1. Ridicoulous, if you'r a cop or criminal and in an extreme situation and 1337 NEED to do that, you'r fried...

2. Huh? And if no one comes pick you up? Imagine that.

3. Extreme situation thingy please?

4. It's not that so unrealistic, loads of people say abreviations too, like me, sometimes I say "lol" at RL.

5. My last reply at Hayden's topic is the answer for that.

6. Huh? So what... That is the SAME THING as that topic long time ago to remove GPS System...

7. I like that tip.

8. That made me LMAO (the part of "ME WANT SEXZZZ!!"), who cares tho... He/She is just roleplaying a Psycho...

9. I like a bit...

10. Who cares.

11. I don't type at speed of light even if I type very fast for a kid, just imagine that he/she is doing that... But with no indications tho...

12. There are people that WANT to defend themselfs, or that have no fear (or just have a bit), then they attack and run before the robber gets him...



No more comments from me.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 22, 2008, 12:12:26 am
Grovyle, I'm gonna ask you a question.

What in the fuck are you ranting on about?
This topic isn't about "Hey guys, check these tips out, what do you think of them? Please, tell me good & bad comments about them."
No, its TIPS. More or less like "Here are some tips from a good roleplayer, read if you want."

Thank you.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Pandalink on June 22, 2008, 12:15:23 am
"Here are some tips from a good roleplayer, read if you want."

Whether the Tips are good roleplay or not is opinion.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 22, 2008, 12:16:45 am
Then go open a topic titled "Merc's tips, how much do they suck?"
And to rub the salt in the wound, go make a poll.
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 22, 2008, 12:21:05 am
Bah who cares. All this arguing pisses me off./me walks out of this topic
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 22, 2008, 12:30:03 am
Why giving not supported TIPs?
I can understand tips, that are by default are correct...
You gave tips, that are going even against Argonath way of roleplay...
Is that clear?
That is why you got here opinion on it...
If it could be 100% supported by administration - give whatever tips... But do not give those, which are not correct in developers' vision...
I think it should be more understandable now...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Grovyle on June 22, 2008, 12:48:53 am
I was only giving my opinion, sheesh...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Poncho on June 22, 2008, 02:11:22 am
I just read the whole topic from my last post (page 1 me thinks) and jesus! It's all got a bit hairy  :D Why don't we all stop and realise other people have other opinions.

Yes, Merc shouldn't have got on the defencive when there was opposition to his "tips" as they are supposed to be seen as tips, and he contradicted himself there.

Also aragorn, I understand your point that he shouldn't call his tips "rp tips" as it is his view of RP and not something that is set in stone. I have agreed with what you have said, especially the blackmail part, but you maybe got too much on the defencive too. I know you just want your points to be known as you want to defend your creation and I totally agree with that, but to me, the language seemed a bit too strong.

Gandalf, I have agreed with everything you've said and I understand the concept of argonath properly now and I love it.

Maybe there should be a page about the concept of Argonath, a free community for everyone. It is surely the best server on SAMP, even with the little things that, in my opinion, could change. But that's just my opinion and so I don't want someone trying to flame me about it  :lol:

We have to remember that Argonath is free, it is free for you to play how you want to play. We also need to remember that we are playing a game, it is meant to be fun, so if someone gets a granny skin and dances in a ghetto and they and others are having fun from that, what's wrong? The only time it would be wrong is if it interfered with others' fun (RP situation maybe). If you want to do something because it is fun and doesn't break the little rules that there are, do it.

Let's keep our opinions intact an realise we are all individual.

Quote from: Ancient Proverb
A man is getting along on the road to wisdom when he begins to realize that his opinion is just an opinion.

Quote from: Voltaire - French Philosopher
“Opinion has caused more trouble on this little earth than plagues or earthquakes”
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Aragorn on June 22, 2008, 02:22:01 pm
Also aragorn, I understand your point that he shouldn't call his tips "rp tips" as it is his view of RP and not something that is set in stone. I have agreed with what you have said, especially the blackmail part, but you maybe got too much on the defencive too. I know you just want your points to be known as you want to defend your creation and I totally agree with that, but to me, the language seemed a bit too strong.

I can understand your position...

We had such discussions before... Always were telling our positions... And now it came already as a TIPs recommendations... its like developers position is totally ignored...

I was watching topic and treated to it as to "ideas"... While I did not see that in topic discussion actually were touched Argonath itself and our (developers) vision...
I counted the words "Why you call yourselves Argonath RPG and not Argonath developing roleplayers" as personal attack against us and offense... As it was said by regular veteran and admin - double offense...
Title: Re: Increase your roleplay standards! (TIPS)
Post by: Poncho on June 22, 2008, 02:58:05 pm
I can understand your position...

We had such discussions before... Always were telling our positions... And now it came already as a TIPs recommendations... its like developers position is totally ignored...

I was watching topic and treated to it as to "ideas"... While I did not see that in topic discussion actually were touched Argonath itself and our (developers) vision...
I counted the words "Why you call yourselves Argonath RPG and not Argonath developing roleplayers" as personal attack against us and offense... As it was said by regular veteran and admin - double offense...

Yes i agree, I see your position more clearly now too. It started as an opinion from merc and then turned into an attack from merc so I understand what you are saying.

Isn't tis topic kind of dead now though? It seems that merc and his supporters have their opinion and the devs and their supporters have theirs and I don't see what benefit can come of prolonging this discussion. I'm not trying to tell the devs/moderators what to do, but just in my opinion, nothing good can come of this topic and I think it's dead.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Aragorn on June 22, 2008, 03:15:40 pm
There is no reason to lock the topic...
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 28, 2008, 09:40:56 pm
Boost.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 28, 2008, 09:41:57 pm
+1





 :D
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 28, 2008, 09:48:07 pm
Discush, if anyone dislikes my point, then hit me and tell me if im trying to kill Argonath or something like everyone else did.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Hircine on December 29, 2008, 12:37:28 am
This needs stickied, and to be mandatory to be read by all players.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Niall on December 29, 2008, 12:54:46 am
This needs stickied, and to be mandatory to be read by all players.
I don't think it should. And i don't think it's completely useless, i just disagree with most of the points.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Wash on December 29, 2008, 12:57:39 am
I think the tips are pretty good, if everyone followed them, everyone would be f**king great roleplayers, though others have different opinions..
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Chase on December 29, 2008, 07:34:34 am
12. Invincible
- Some players think they are superman, they have a gun pointed at there face and just hit the robber and run. Seriously act right! If you have a gun in your face, act scared!

I can understand if someone is getting robbed by more than 1 men and there's no one to help and simply run or if surrounded by police with guns aimed at you and you run.. But if you are getting robbed / kidnapped by 1 robber and its just 1 on 1, if the victim has a gun.. he may use it to drop the robber as his life is in direct danger.. Seriously.. if you try to rob me while I am on duty and you're alone or if you have a accomplice who is distracted or has not have his gun drawn yet.. I'll suspect you and put a bullet between your eyes.. regardless of how much you whine and bitch because you threatened a law enforcers life and very well deserve it.. end of story. There has infact been cases IRL where cops have shot and killed person for aiming at them with a gun. In most of them, the cop will usually try to slap the gun away from his body, draw his gun and shoot very quickly, but since you cant do that in SA-MP, all you can do is draw and shoot.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on December 29, 2008, 09:14:09 am
I totaly support your ideas Merc.

But that's the thing about argo, everyone's rping different.
Some people are basicly spamming main chat & not rping a shit.
Some people are rping with words like "LoL, OmfgLmao" & do not use (( )).
Some people are rping like you. (The way i also do)
Some people just enjoying themselves by driving around in their vehicle & not doing anything else.

But you know, that's the thing about Argo. They don't got millions of rules.
Everyone here is "rping" different & as long as Aragorn or Gandalf or w/e don't want to forbid bunnyjumping etc.
It'll stay as it is.

I HOPE that people will read it & use many of your ideas ingame to.
Because it should be alot funnier then. (This is my opinion in it)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 29, 2008, 01:22:43 pm
Bunnyhop when no rush is what I usually do. If I'm in example in middle of nowhere in the wood somewhere, I take the fastest way to travel of course. I also hate people mixing "omg, lmao, wtf" et cetera in RP chat. I also prefer capital letter in the beginning of a sentence and usually a dot in the end...maybe just because I'm used to it.
By the way, I never seen this before, and it's a real good..."guide" to people who want to increase their roleplay experience. If you have no rush, have a careful moment.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Chill on December 29, 2008, 04:48:55 pm
Jesus. Go with the guide here. It'll make you RP better. Even if aren't used to it. Do it. Merc's absolutly right on all those points.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Immortal on December 29, 2008, 05:04:12 pm
Well half of it is disagreed from Gandalf and i think its foolish because like for example in the real life you cant say that ' pls stop i will take a piss' in a RP situation but Gandalf doesnt support it
He says ' Its more fun without IC and OOC '
Meh...
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 29, 2008, 06:35:56 pm
Mains will never accept this anyways. They are more oldskool roleplayers and don't like to enforce too many "rules" or whatever.
Then theres the people who want more realistic roleplay who will probably follow this guide.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 29, 2008, 07:29:04 pm
It's actually funny to run around sometimes and do: /me farts and laughs silent: Hihihi and stuffs...But I never mix RP to OOC.

Depends on how mature you are.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on December 30, 2008, 02:22:54 am
I can promise you, it's not swedish homour.
It depends how mature you are, like Merc said.

I'm swedish, and i might run around "I fart on you" when i was like 13.
Please don't shame our country with bullshit like that.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 30, 2008, 10:29:23 am
Actually I will delete my posts because I wrote something I didn't mean...I meant to run around and joke with people. Not "fart"thingy.. By tha' way..if you're Swedish, why have American flag then though?..that's because you think Sweden is a bad country or what...?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on December 30, 2008, 11:38:20 am
Actually i don't know why, you want me to change back to make you feel better?
It's not about hating Sweden, if it were like that. Why should i care about what you said then?

Sorry for offtopic, won't post back a reply again if you answer Marcus.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Watahell on December 30, 2008, 12:28:21 pm
Less RP enforcement = more freedom in my opinion  :neutral:

That's why I disagree with most points because if those tips one day become rules someday, I'd be forced to stay out of the server tbh, because I find it extremely boring to follow such strict guidelines, but that's just me. I rarely agree with Aragorn, but this time I do. More realistic RP would cause people to argue all the time, because some people think their roleplay way is better than the other's (no offense directed to anyone).
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 30, 2008, 02:20:04 pm
Less RP enforcement = more freedom in my opinion  :neutral:

That's why I disagree with most points because if those tips one day become rules someday, I'd be forced to stay out of the server tbh, because I find it extremely boring to follow such strict guidelines, but that's just me. I rarely agree with Aragorn, but this time I do. More realistic RP would cause people to argue all the time, because some people think their roleplay way is better than the other's (no offense directed to anyone).

More freedom = More idiots who don't give a shit about proper roleplay, more fools who ruin well made up roleplay situations.
Sure, it is easier to go on the server, make up shit in the main chat & chose the way without rules.
 /me farts, lolwut, lmao looool!!!1111one
 /me iz driva lolcake
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 30, 2008, 02:30:50 pm
because some people think their roleplay way is better than the other's (no offense directed to anyone).
No its not about that, Its about how much want to roleplay or how much you want to f*ck around thats basically it, not that anyone is better than anyone in roleplaying, cause anyone can roleplay, so thats just bullshít. If you like to f**k around you'll probably highly disagree but if you want to roleplay realistically like in real life and not fantasy like lord of the rings or random hyper zombie grannys attacking people, then you'll probably agree with this.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on December 30, 2008, 02:49:49 pm
I agree with C and M.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 30, 2008, 02:55:23 pm
No its not about that, Its about how much want to roleplay or how much you want to f*ck around thats basically it, not that anyone is better than anyone in roleplaying, cause anyone can roleplay, so thats just bullshít. If you like to f**k around you'll probably highly disagree but if you want to roleplay realistically like in real life and not fantasy like lord of the rings or random hyper zombie grannys attacking people, then you'll probably agree with this.

Couldn't have said it better man.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 30, 2008, 03:04:33 pm
Keep on argue, it will increase the RP.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 30, 2008, 03:19:13 pm
Keep on argue, it will increase the RP.

If you have noting to contribute, stay out of the topic, maybe?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 30, 2008, 03:27:06 pm
Keep on argue, it will increase the RP.

It's called proving a point, if you don't understand you can always use www.google.com
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Watahell on December 30, 2008, 03:47:05 pm
More freedom = More idiots who don't give a shit about proper roleplay, more fools who ruin well made up roleplay situations.
Sure, it is easier to go on the server, make up shit in the main chat & chose the way without rules.
 /me farts, lolwut, lmao looool!!!1111one
 /me iz driva lolcake

No... Freedom is different than being an idiot... You're distorting it.

if you want to roleplay realistically like in real life

I'd join another server, because I don't remember where it says "Argonath RLRPG". :) If I'm mistaken please correct me then...
Although I agree with you. Roleplaying realistic is one of the ways of roleplaying but not the only. That's where freedom enters.
The meaning of roleplaying is very extensive, and one way isn't better than another, like I said.

What's the problem with people fucking around? (stupid language filter!)
Leave them be and roleplay the way you want. :)

 :ps: I find it hard to discuss with old friends about such controversial subject, but I hope we're getting along. ;)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 30, 2008, 03:54:41 pm
Quote
The meaning of roleplaying is very extensive, and one way isn't better than another, like I said.

That's a matter of opinion.

Quote
What's the problem with people f**king around?
Me & all the other people who try to support realistic roleplay don't care if someone prefers to fuck around instead of roleplaying properly.
The problem starts when those people, who fuck around on the server, start to ruin the roleplay for those guys who would like to play properly.
If you already cannot behave why you need to destroy the fun for other people at the same time? In my eyes it is simpy arrogant, immature & stupid.
Those people have attention problems or what's wrong?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Watahell on December 30, 2008, 03:57:21 pm
Me & all the other people who try to support realistic roleplay don't care if someone prefers to f**k around instead of roleplaying properly.
The problem starts when those people, who f**k around on the server, start to ruin the roleplay for those guys who would like to play properly.
If you already cannot behave why you need to destroy the fun for other people at the same time? In my eyes it is simpy arrogant, immature & stupid.
Those people have attention problems or what's wrong?

Solution: warn/kick/tempban/ban. That's the admins' job. RP/Event ruining is strictly punished.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 30, 2008, 04:20:59 pm
It's called proving a point, if you don't understand you can always use www.google.com
"Touch me, feel the anger."
It's called a motto...
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 30, 2008, 04:25:28 pm
Uhhh, you're a little angry aren't you? :( So bad to hear..
Stop provoking and get out of the topic if you don't have anything to contribute.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 30, 2008, 04:31:17 pm
Stop provoking and get out of the topic if you don't have anything to contribute.
Well all I see that you have with you is in my opinion bad things to contribute with. Provoking...
I'll give you a website that is useful
It's called proving a point, if you don't understand you can always use www.google.com
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on December 30, 2008, 10:00:40 pm
Marcus, Seriously. I don't get your point?
You started with /me farts, and now it's getting way out of hands.
Why? I don't know really why you're provoking them.

Useless and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Trobby888 on December 31, 2008, 02:43:21 am
Me & all the other people who try to support realistic roleplay don't care if someone prefers to f**k around instead of roleplaying properly.
The problem starts when those people, who f**k around on the server, start to ruin the roleplay for those guys who would like to play properly.
If you already cannot behave why you need to destroy the fun for other people at the same time? In my eyes it is simpy arrogant, immature & stupid.
Those people have attention problems or what's wrong?

It's true that when you are in the middle of your realistic RP situation, and someone, who isn't even connected to the situation, just jumps in, and wreaks it by shooting randomly, or RPing something very unrealistic, it can be very frustrating for you and the person you were RPing with.

However, this is not the issue here. If that person does not interfere with your RP situation, and does his own fancy RP with another group of people, then that is also fine for them, as long as they don't do the common non-RP things such as deathmatching, ramming, hacking etc. Merc's propaganda, however is saying that every person must RP as realistic as his "TIPS", and that the group that person is in is not allowed do things such as "Bunnyhopping", "Drink a can of sprunk" as a result of enforcing his "TIPS". It's absolutely unfair to those who have a weaker imagination, or those who don't want such serious RP. If Merc's ideas all became server rules, new players will never be able to adapt to the game. Other players will just leave, because they become bored, or find the server unreasonable, because of all the strict roleplaying rules.

If Merc is just sharing his opinion, and sharing ideas, and wanting opinions about them, then no problems. However, if Merc is trying force everyone to roleplay the way his TIPs are saying, then that's where the problems begin.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: DHR.Mike on December 31, 2008, 05:37:08 am
Good Roleplay tips and indeed people STOP BUNNY HOPPING  

and btw another good tip

If some one shoots you !!! don't just keep running and hopping around becous most people in real live cant run when there almost dead
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 31, 2008, 06:14:32 pm
"Touch me, feel the anger."
If you are angry, turn off the computer.. get a drink and a cigar(if you smoke).. lay on the sofa.. and relax.

Razor.


I could sit back, turn off the comp, and not make any change and just walk away like a coward, but when people wanna make change, they put things into it, try move forward, if you think im angry im not angry, I just wanna try make people think the way I do. Think of it as an Malcolm X point of view, you should look him up.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 31, 2008, 06:17:28 pm
I could sit back, turn off the comp, and not make any change and just walk away like a coward, but when people wanna make change, they put things into it, try move forward, if you think im angry im not angry, I just wanna try make people think the way I do. Think of it as an Malcolm X point of view, you should look him up.
Why keep talking with me when I quited?...it's just pathetic.

Edited..
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 31, 2008, 06:18:08 pm
Why keep 'fighting' me when I quited?...it's just pathetic.

I don't give a shit if you left, freedom of speech, your momma never told you?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 31, 2008, 06:25:19 pm
I don't give a shit if you left, freedom of speech, your momma never told you?
Scroll up and see what Woodyl said, seen any last posts except these 2 ones after his words?
By the way, don't ever talk about my mum.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: K5ff3r on December 31, 2008, 06:32:37 pm
This topic is one of the best topics of this forum, really.
Try to use these tips ingame, everybody should try it, and then you would see that the RP in this server would be MUCH better.

What else..

LOL is not rp, I really don't know why people think that.
Just because 1 of 100 people says so?

Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on December 31, 2008, 06:33:29 pm
Scroll up and see what Woodyl said, seen any last posts except these 2 ones after his words?
By the way, don't ever talk about my mum.

Dont ever call me pathetic then.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 31, 2008, 06:34:38 pm
Dont ever call me pathetic then.
Did I call you pathetic? I said IT'S pathetic.
You say yourself you are pathetic?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Watahell on December 31, 2008, 06:37:20 pm
This is getting way out of hand. If you like the tips, use them. If you don't like it, you may express your point of view (just like I did).

But this is not an arena. If you don't have anything to contribute, gtfo, please. :)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Gandalf on December 31, 2008, 06:40:36 pm
That's a matter of opinion.
Me & all the other people who try to support realistic roleplay don't care if someone prefers to f**k around instead of roleplaying properly.
The problem starts when those people, who f**k around on the server, start to ruin the roleplay for those guys who would like to play properly.
If you already cannot behave why you need to destroy the fun for other people at the same time? In my eyes it is simpy arrogant, immature & stupid.
Those people have attention problems or what's wrong?
And what exactly they do to ruin roleplay ?
A proper roleplay involved creativity and reacting on everything that happens arount you.
It needs using your brains, and improvisation.

Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Carhartt on December 31, 2008, 06:52:01 pm
And what exactly they do to ruin roleplay ?
A proper roleplay involved creativity and reacting on everything that happens arount you.
It needs using your brains, and improvisation.



They attempt to carkill you, stalk you, attack you without a proper reason, even if they're not involved, disturb the roleplay with pointless crap like:
 /me farts /me pushes him & he dies
Don't tell me it has something to do with creativity. Those people clearly don't have a proper working brain, they try to be funny / cool in front of their friends but ruin the roleplay situation at the same time for another group.

Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 31, 2008, 07:10:48 pm
They attempt to carkill you, stalk you, attack you without a proper reason, even if they're not involved, disturb the roleplay with pointless crap like:
 /me farts /me pushes him & he dies
Don't tell me it has something to do with creativity. Those people clearly don't have a proper working brain, they try to be funny / cool in front of their friends but ruin the roleplay situation at the same time for another group.


What's wrong with /me farts?...it's natural and is counted as roleplay. If a farmer walks around in the city and does/me farts
It's traditional for farmers damn.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Gandalf on December 31, 2008, 07:16:52 pm
They attempt to carkill you, stalk you, attack you without a proper reason, even if they're not involved, disturb the roleplay with pointless crap like:
 /me farts /me pushes him & he dies
Don't tell me it has something to do with creativity. Those people clearly don't have a proper working brain, they try to be funny / cool in front of their friends but ruin the roleplay situation at the same time for another group.


Carkill is an admin matter.
Stalking... well I am usually stalked by 10 people so no idea how it is without.  :D
Regarding disturbing, what is your reaction when someone passes by and stays paying attention to your play ?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: K5ff3r on December 31, 2008, 10:12:09 pm
What's wrong with /me farts?...it's natural and is counted as roleplay. If a farmer walks around in the city and does/me farts
It's traditional for farmers damn.

That's just stupid.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on December 31, 2008, 10:19:19 pm
That's just stupid.
No. What about stomachproblems?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on January 01, 2009, 01:06:46 am
Then roleplay it, don't use mainchat as your /ME.
I'm not talking only talking about you Marcus.
Everyone's taking it to a so immature level as it goes.
That's my reason why i quit. It's SO hard to RP these days on argo because no one's taking it seriously.
It's like Quiz and Mainchat are those 2 alternatives you have.
When it's 60 online, it's 10-20 who's rping. The rest are enjoying themselves on mainchat or Quiz like i said.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on January 01, 2009, 01:13:49 am
Then roleplay it, don't use mainchat as your /ME.
I'm not talking only talking about you Marcus.
Everyone's taking it to a so immature level as it goes.
That's my reason why i quit. It's SO hard to RP these days on argo because no one's taking it seriously.
It's like Quiz and Mainchat are those 2 alternatives you have.
When it's 60 online, it's 10-20 who's rping. The rest are enjoying themselves on mainchat or Quiz like i said.

Argonath is special :P But that's what makes it so awesome! It's a comfortable community,
many cares about you. /me is the best command made ever in my opinion, so that's why it should be used a lot.
Also, you mentioned was about to quit/already quited, good bye. It's no proper reason if you ask me.
This is not like some stupid Valhalla where they doesn't even let you run. It just leads to a ban if you do it again after a kick.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on January 01, 2009, 04:13:01 am
Argonath is special :P But that's what makes it so awesome! It's a comfortable community,
many cares about you. /me is the best command made ever in my opinion, so that's why it should be used a lot.
Also, you mentioned was about to quit/already quited, good bye. It's no proper reason if you ask me.
This is not like some stupid Valhalla where they doesn't even let you run. It just leads to a ban if you do it again after a kick.

Me is a command who is on every RPG server, so it isn't that awesome.
I agree, Argonath is special. But maybe it's time for a change, as many players are leaving because of the same thing basicly. But that's not my decision. I just hope that you'll have a good time on Argo right now and that's the point.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: ChaNce on January 01, 2009, 05:46:59 pm
Argonath is special :P But that's what makes it so awesome! It's a comfortable community,
many cares about you. /me is the best command made ever in my opinion, so that's why it should be used a lot.
Also, you mentioned was about to quit/already quited, good bye. It's no proper reason if you ask me.
This is not like some stupid Valhalla where they doesn't even let you run. It just leads to a ban if you do it again after a kick.

Valhalla isnt stupid...they actually care of the RP.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Harald on January 01, 2009, 05:49:55 pm
Valhalla isnt stupid...they actually care of the RP.
Well, I don't like it. My point was that I think Argonath pwns Valhalla.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on January 01, 2009, 07:37:06 pm
Depends how you play.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on January 12, 2009, 05:24:36 pm
Depends what style of player you are, are you a HARDCORE, or are you a FREEPLAYER, well thats my theory anyways, discuss how can we help change this server into a "better" roleplaying environment.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: SeanC on May 23, 2009, 08:08:04 am
Bump, sorry for bumbping old topic but this is very usefull for good role playing ;).
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: MrFuture on May 27, 2009, 09:26:41 pm
Guys 1 day i kindnaped someone outside it was like 10 Fbi-20 cops then the hostage freaked out and he diceded to non-rp and he started to running out then the Fbi came in and killed me,Then when i discussed it on Main chat admins blamed me....Then i asked Argonath where based on?None answerd then i said argonath should based on metagaming and powergaming then they started /banana me guys please give me a clear question "Where argonath based on" i think argonath based on policy to cheaters nothing more they dont care about Metagaming,Powergaming,Rp
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: ChaNce on May 27, 2009, 09:56:59 pm
Guys 1 day i kindnaped someone outside it was like 10 Fbi-20 cops then the hostage freaked out and he diceded to non-rp and he started to running out then the Fbi came in and killed me,Then when i discussed it on Main chat admins blamed me....Then i asked Argonath where based on?None answerd then i said argonath should based on metagaming and powergaming then they started /banana me guys please give me a clear question "Where argonath based on" i think argonath based on policy to cheaters nothing more they dont care about Metagaming,Powergaming,Rp

No no, you're sentence was quite right; Argonath IS based on Meta- and powergaming, you shouldn't get a banana for that, as those are non-forbidden things (meta- and powergaming.) here.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: MrFuture on May 28, 2009, 11:59:43 am
No no, you're sentence was quite right; Argonath IS based on Meta- and powergaming, you shouldn't get a banana for that, as those are non-forbidden things (meta- and powergaming.) here.
Alright chance,If i "/report "1 guy for metagaming what gonna happend?You ever show on argo "Id 20 kicked for metagaming"? Metagaming or Powergaming should have a punishment like Warn's or Kick's also about bunny jumping kinda of Jailing  :)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Iceboy on May 28, 2009, 12:46:35 pm
If i "/report "1 guy for metagaming what gonna happend?

Nothing. Metagaming is allowed on Argonath.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: SeanC on May 28, 2009, 01:49:53 pm
Metagaming should be not allowed on the server.. it suck
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on May 28, 2009, 03:07:19 pm
No no, you're sentence was quite right; Argonath IS based on Meta- and powergaming, you shouldn't get a banana for that, as those are non-forbidden things (meta- and powergaming.) here.
It's not really like you said. Metagaming and powergaming are terms that didn't exist on Argonath for a long time (mainly when Argonath had only the MTA:VC server). But the SAMP server was launched, new players brought them from other RP servers, along with some other quite conflict-making habits. To me, it looks like a sign of laziness or something, that new players don't like to learn all the rules from the start, so they play by the other servers' rules and adapt to the Argonath ones if differences occur.

In short, Argonath can't be based on something that was introduced a long time after the server started.

You can play with or without meta/powergaming, but you can not force others to play like you. If you don't like someone's roleplaying style, you don't have to play with them. Simple as that...

Metagaming should be not allowed on the server.. it suck
It's like saying playing as a granny with guns shouldn't be allowed, it sucks and it's non-realistic. If you want to, you can handicap your playing style with not using meta-gaming and power-gaming. But you can't really force other players to play by your personal rules.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: ChaNce on May 28, 2009, 03:18:51 pm
Well, what is so unrealistic about a granny with a gun? Its not meta- nor powergaming, you should get the definition straight here Grzesiek.

Anyways, people, who meta- and powergame can absolutelty NOT RP with people, who don't use it. Its inacceptable.
So my conclusion here: Don't play with Meta- and Powergamers.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on May 28, 2009, 03:32:47 pm
Well, what is so unrealistic about a granny with a gun? Its not meta- nor powergaming, you should get the definition straight here Grzesiek.
And what is so sucky in metagaming? You need it in some situations (eg. when as cop, to check who is wanted).

The granny example was not related to power/metagaming, and it was a reply to Mawi. It was an example of saying that something sucks, something that you don't do but others do.

Anyways, people, who meta- and powergame can absolutelty NOT RP with people, who don't use it. Its inacceptable.
So my conclusion here: Don't play with Meta- and Powergamers.
I don't restrict myself from metagaming (mainly the ic/ooc chat thing - I use common sense instead), though I have played with you a couple of times. And I didn't see you complaining about that ;)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Lua on September 27, 2010, 09:18:44 pm
I'm just thinking, when and why people brought meta/power/IC/OOC and bullshit like this.

I totally agree Panda's first post on this topic at most points also
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on September 27, 2010, 09:21:53 pm
why on earth did you bump this .____.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Lua on September 27, 2010, 09:26:27 pm
Because it's hell useful! Let's... Read... This Topic!
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: JayL on September 27, 2010, 09:35:45 pm
Someone exaggerated on the searching...
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Pablo on September 27, 2010, 10:15:09 pm
Because it's hell useful! Let's... Read... This Topic!

Found something more useful.  http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57153.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57153.0)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Traser on July 14, 2011, 04:25:28 am
Stop moaning, and read this topic!

It's still very usefull!
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Jubin on July 14, 2011, 06:39:09 am
Stop moaning, and read this topic!

It's still very usefull!
Traser, have you read the original post? If you suppor the original post of this topic, you also support somethings that Argonath has tried to weed out a long long time.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Duel on July 14, 2011, 10:32:27 am
Traser, have you read the original post? If you suppor the original post of this topic, you also support somethings that Argonath has tried to weed out a long long time.
Well, if you have read the main post, and the topics name... All he is doing is giving some tips, its not like you HAVE to do it.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: KinkyDog561 on July 14, 2011, 11:21:13 am
Stop moaning, and read this topic!

It's still very usefull!
Nice job bumping year old topic.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 14, 2011, 11:50:24 am
Well, if you have read the main post, and the topics name... All he is doing is giving some tips, its not like you HAVE to do it.
Which are not directly role-play tips, but more like self-induced realism handicaps that in the long end only cause moaning about others not applying the same to them, even though they don't have to.

3/4 of it actually all of it after reading the points, breaks the general concept/vision of Argonath and are redundant/useless/do not contribute to actual role-play, but maybe a bit to realism1. All of the points are easily bashable.

____________
1 Realism is NOT equal to role-play and vice versa.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Duel on July 14, 2011, 12:08:39 pm
Which are not directly role-play tips, but more like self-induced realism handicaps that in the long end only cause moaning about others not applying the same to them, even though they don't have to.
The main point still exists, which is that he is just giving out some tips.
If it causes moaning about players applying the same, then its that players fault for using these tips and should get punished for bitching all the time.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Jubin on July 14, 2011, 06:13:02 pm
So in your viewpoint it is normal and and ethical to give bad advice to new players?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Que on July 14, 2011, 06:24:48 pm
So in your viewpoint it is normal and and ethical to give bad advice to new players?
Some people prefer this type of role-play. I can't see it as bad, unless you try to avoid the role-play with other players' individualistically style. It should be your style, not anyone else, as we are all different.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Duel on July 14, 2011, 07:30:57 pm
So in your viewpoint it is normal and and ethical to give bad advice to new players?
Does the topic say in the heading, 'Roleplaying tips for New Comers' ?
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 14, 2011, 08:41:31 pm
style
No. A set of rules/handicaps.
Also why give tips that include a set of personalized rules that are not general? That's hardly helping.

I can't see it as bad, unless you try to avoid the role-play with other players' individualistically style.
Avoiding role-play as in not playing with someone by not visiting their usual activity area I do not see as bad. Bad is if player1 moans about player2 not following player1's own rules - which is essentially what happens most of the time when playing with people following these tips.

Does the topic say in the heading, 'Roleplaying tips for New Comers' ?
It's still bad advice even to regulars.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Louis_Keyl on July 14, 2011, 09:09:06 pm
Stop moaning, and read this topic!

It's still very usefull!

Do you really think this guide will help new players and introduce them to our vision?..
Any player that does not agree with our server vision & rules is free to leave to another server.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Frank_Hawk on July 14, 2011, 09:14:16 pm
In the past, we asked ourselves whether judo fighters would win against boxers and whether ninjitsu would beat karate fighters. All sides argued their pieces stating their advantages and disadvantages but ultimately the conclusion was that the best style is to have no style. Like Bruce Lee said - 'Empty your mind, be formless. shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend'

Some history about MMA to serve as a concept for this discussion:

MMA Evolution - Highlight by Robert Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGNLYy3_exc#)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 14, 2011, 09:20:24 pm
@Frank
not style. rules.

Boxers will most likely moan about kickboxers for kicking them if they assume that the kickboxer has to play by the boxers' rules, ie. no kicking.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Merc on July 14, 2011, 10:41:26 pm
____________
1 Realism is NOT equal to role-play and vice versa.

It is because you're playing San Andreas with human beings, not World of Warcraft with creatures.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Traser on July 15, 2011, 12:41:01 am
Woeps.. I am sorry if i try to break the vision, i am only trying to get more people to RP, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Leon. on July 15, 2011, 03:47:26 am
@Frank
not style. rules.
Stop saying that. I've explained many times that as long as it's within the borders of Argonath, it's not a rule.
I believe "a certain style derived from rules" is more correct. You might as well be saying a republic is a democracy just because it's derived from that.
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NO CHEATS, NO MODS, NO HACKS
 NO HELIKILLING, NO CARKILLING, NO RAMMING, NO CARJACKING
 NO GLITCHES, that give you advantage over other players
 NO PAUSING WHEN COMBAT, WANTED
 NO REVENGE KILLING
 NO FLOOD THE CHAT WINDOW
 NO SPAM (advertisment of other servers and sites, that do not belong to Argonath RPG server is NOT allowed)
 NO FLAME/INSULT players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players
 NO ATTACKING WITHOUT A PROPER REASON
 NO ESCAPING WHEN SURRENDERED (RPG)
 FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender (RPG)
 POLICE VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS (RPG)
 NO MONEY CHEATING
 IMPOSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (no any copying other players' nicks or regular clans' tags)
 SLANG IS ALLOWED ONLY AS A PART OF ROLEPLAY (swearing as personal attack on players will be punished)
 NICKS WITH THE UNREADABLE LETTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (Please refrain from using ?/|\{}[]()-=+/*)

In the past, we asked ourselves whether judo fighters would win against boxers and whether ninjitsu would beat karate fighters. All sides argued their pieces stating their advantages and disadvantages but ultimately the conclusion was that the best style is to have no style. Like Bruce Lee said - 'Empty your mind, be formless. shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend'
English: You're not stuck to just doing one thing. You can use your own style (Grz, if you say anything about rules or whatever, you're going to fucking set me off) and you should be able to do so freely.
Frank, that was a beautiful metaphor. If anyone tries to prove you wrong, they're simply going to make themselves look ignorant. :D
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Jubin on July 15, 2011, 05:32:49 am
It is because you're playing San Andreas with human beings, not World of Warcraft with creatures.
I disagree, for the same fact that we are playing San Andreas and not dealing with real-life. If you would want reality then you would leave the server forever after getting killed once now would you? If people like reality they go and play Sims.

Woeps.. I am sorry if i try to break the vision, i am only trying to get more people to RP, nothing more, nothing less.

I am trying to hold off any future "mandatory IC/OOC use for everybody" topics. The ones Argonath used to have in 2008, about the same time this topic was created.
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Abraham on July 15, 2011, 06:44:08 am
And here we go again...
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Squeak on July 15, 2011, 09:23:51 am
And here we go again...
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i concur
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Frank_Hawk on July 15, 2011, 09:26:55 am
Grizzy - The golden rule is that there are no golden rules:

Bruce Lee_Be Water My Friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlnfTGlhXc#)
Title: Re: Merc's roleplaying TIPS
Post by: Aragorn on July 15, 2011, 10:11:15 am
Strange that this topic was bumped right the time Merc appeared on forums...

Merc, I do suppose if you came back (I saw you on forums and on server) that it means you are ready to accept Argonath Vision once again...

Now for all:

So called tips are the rules on other Roleplay Servers... We do not play by this tips by on reason - we do not play BY RULES OF OTHER SERVERS... Cos we do have OUR OWN RULES and our OWN VISION...

We do not accept RULES POLICY OF OTHER SERVERS neither we do accept OTHER SERVERS RP VISIONS as we have out own STYLE/VISION/RULES SET...

Argonath started on 5 rules and was beating any possible server with friendly atmosphere, fun, roleplay, popularity...

No any OOC IC pro cops say no to hi etc will help you to make server like that: friendly and fun roleplay... Opposite it is right the way to kill this things...

Cannot be friendly and fun atmosphere on server which is setting rule on everything: your way of walking, your way of talking, you way of imagination... Actially about the last - imagination - I am too far already - cos so called "real roleplay servers" have standard "imagination" controlled by server owners...

This "tips" are good for real ( :hah: ) roleplay servers...

We are not real, we are playing game... its name it GTA... Which is a parody on reality...

We are GTA Community, and fit this perfectly... With all "hidden" jokes in script commands, laughing at real stuff, etc...

Topic I will lock as no sence to go backwards... We should waste time on future...
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