Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: The_Wolf on August 03, 2008, 03:11:04 pm
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A rescent discussion has been made by the ArgonathRPG SA:MP admins and Gandalf's answer clearly was, that /cancelsuspect was created for 2 reasons:
- Killing glitch where you can be suspected if you were the last person shooting at someone dying in an unrelated incident (like blown up car)
- Clear unjustified suspect (cop abuse)
An exeption is only:
It should be used with care, and only in cases that are clear for admins.
Regarding self defense, in combination with ARPD play it is acceptable. Using cancelsuspect because someone claims he was attacked without investigation should be avoided.
This is a strong proof that when admins deny a /cancelsuspect on someone, he should NOT whine or complain in-game, because it is only annoying and may result in a banana or even warning/ kick.
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just saw it on ARPD forums too my answer there:
would be nice to do it,
it will be good to have it for officers and higher,
not for cadets and freecops,
sometimes its clear for the officer thats its abuse or whatever, but then it still takes a long time for /cancelsuspect,
so it will be really good that ARPD Officer and higher could use it,
and no doubts that they wont abuse it, they have shown to be good ppl
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Uhm ok..this might explains why i didn't get a cancel and lost 600 cos 2 cadets stopped there car infront of me, got out, hit my car, jumped on it and then sued me for "running cops over"
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just saw it on ARPD forums too my answer there:
would be nice to do it,
it will be good to have it for officers and higher,
not for cadets and freecops,
sometimes its clear for the officer thats its abuse or whatever, but then it still takes a long time for /cancelsuspect,
so it will be really good that ARPD Officer and higher could use it,
and no doubts that they wont abuse it, they have shown to be good ppl
This is not ideas topic, this is the way it is. If you have another suggestion, post in SAMP ideas.
I am just informing, so people won't whine in main chat and flame because they don't get unsuspected..
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Honestly, do you really think this post will stop any whining?
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Not really, but atleast I can feel good because most of the players saw it.
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Why not make this topic sticky?
much ppl should read this one :)
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so this isnt an idea???
then it means it already works???
mmm, gotta test it then
and if its not working yet,
then make it for Officer and higher, its good
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But actually, it's not only freecops who abuses..I personally only think that high ranks should get the command or something like that.
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Officer and higher yeah, cadets are possible abusers too, less chance then freecop, but there always get through some abusers,
but the chance that officer abuses is really small, it doesnt happens a lot
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But actually, it's not only freecops who abuses..I personally only think that high ranks should get the command or something like that.
only if they could be trusted, I would Senior Officer and higher.
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you should be able to trust officers too
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you should be able to trust officers too
Yea, you should - but you can't.
Admins only is acceptable in my opinion, since most high level SAPD Officers either are admins or can quickly raise one to do it anyway.
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i think you can trust them panda, at least 90% of them are,
maybe make it senior officers,
if you dont even trust them, then you dont trust anyone,
not admins only, it takes hours to get /cancelsuspect sometimes, bad idea to hold it admin only
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i think you can trust them panda, at least 90% of them are,
maybe make it senior officers,
if you dont even trust them, then you dont trust anyone,
not admins only, it takes hours to get /cancelsuspect sometimes, bad idea to hold it admin only
I have never see a /cancelsuspect request take hours. If an suspect is investigated by ARPD and request unsus we respond in most cases direct or ASAP as we have time.
There have been some Cases when criminals who also is SAPD Officer screams "Unsuspect me, i'm abused" and then they say "I'm an Officer"... :trust: u look like a criminal.
The problem when every cop was abel to unsuspect was that 1 guy suspected, another unsuspected and they keeped doing it cos they thought they had right..
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thats why we say do it at higher ranked cops only,
certainly not at freecops/cadets, to much abusers are there(which is a shame)
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I have never see a /cancelsuspect request take hours. If an suspect is investigated by ARPD and request unsus we respond in most cases direct or ASAP as we have time.
There have been some Cases when criminals who also is SAPD Officer screams "Unsuspect me, i'm abused" and then they say "I'm an Officer"... :trust: u look like a criminal.
The problem when every cop was abel to unsuspect was that 1 guy suspected, another unsuspected and they keeped doing it cos they thought they had right..
I Scream "I'm an Agent!" When i'm dong undercover work for VCPD in SA.....and the cops can't RP and say mybadge is "Plastic" most of the time...then i show thm papers, and they say it's fake, then i show them my ID, they say it's fake. Cops cannot RP, they just say everything is fake so they can get money...
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the cops can't RP and say mybadge is "Plastic" most of the time...then i show thm papers, and they say it's fake, then i show them my ID, they say it's fake. Cops cannot RP, they just say everything is fake so they can get money...
QFT
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I Scream "I'm an Agent!" When i'm dong undercover work for VCPD in SA.....and the cops can't RP and say mybadge is "Plastic" most of the time...then i show thm papers, and they say it's fake, then i show them my ID, they say it's fake. Cops cannot RP, they just say everything is fake so they can get money...
can i buy drugs from you? :rofl: :lol:
it depends on the cops
some are just out right your gonne get killed or going to jail cause i said
and others actually RP
though it seems more and more are becoming greedy :cry:
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I Scream "I'm an Agent!" When i'm dong undercover work for VCPD in SA.....and the cops can't RP and say mybadge is "Plastic" most of the time...then i show thm papers, and they say it's fake, then i show them my ID, they say it's fake. Cops cannot RP, they just say everything is fake so they can get money...
thats b*llsh*t,
you probably only mean the freecops,
and fake cops check it with /registration so they can see if its fake or not,
and undercover doesnt mean you can break the rules,
they can just fine you if they want
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I nver broke thr ules...i was driving round Ganton and two cops jumped onmy car O.o
And i know the rules, the protocol and everything, I have been an officer way longer than you, I also have been Cheif, Captian and an Agent too. I know alot about ARPD and how to handle situations.
Do not tell me whats bullshit and whats not bullshit
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I nver broke thr ules...i was driving round Ganton and two cops jumped onmy car O.o
And i know the rules, the protocol and everything, I have been an officer way longer than you, I also have been Cheif, Captian and an Agent too. I know alot about ARPD and how to handle situations.
Do not tell me whats bullshit and whats not bullshit
i dont care what you have been, i know rules too,
and what you said wasnt right,
you say cops are bad RP-ers thats ofcourse wrong(except most freecops)
and they just wanna make money, not right too(except most freecops)
and i know that that is bullshit,
there are good RPing cops, and cops who dont only go for money
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Oh i know the cops who will suspect me for money, and they are mostly freecops yes. That is becuase there are hardly any actual cops on the server.
You don't need to care about what i've been. You only have to face the fact i have way more experiance than you. And that you are telling me what happened in a situation which u were not present at.
Drop the subject, as you have a very narrow minded opinion.
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What makes me mad, as an admin/cop, is when I suspect someone or someone else suspects someone who was clearly breaking the law, and they complain that they weren't and that they want a unsus. They justify it by trying to find a loophole. It has happened on more than one occasion and one night, the whole online admin team watched as a player did this. We knew he was lying and it makes our job a lot harder when people do that. When people complain and argue with us over these things, it takes us away from our job of dealing with flamers, bug abusers, DMers, Hackers, etc.
Sometimes, players break the law and after direct orders from police officers, we suspect them. As an admin, I make mistakes too. When you become an admin, you don't change instantly from player to perfect. In fact, no admin ( no matter how high in rank ) is perfect. Anyways, I responded to a call for backup to a place. Two or three men were sitting there calling for all these cops to leave. I came up and asked what the problem was, and I can't quite remember what it was. But they kept shouting get off my property. Anyways, they had their guns out and they periodically would aim them. We ordered them to put their guns away. After threats, and many times of seeing a gun aimed at an officer, we suspected them. Now, we were all in a crowd around each other and it was hard to tell who fired first. A new freecop who didn't really know any better fired first and then the whole crowd exploded with lead flying everywhere. One suspect was shot, one fled. However, they started complaining and blaming me for the situation. I admit, I should have made sure we asked for surrender first. And I will take fault for that. Every single member of this gang that was on argued with me on public chat and I couldn't get a word in and there may have been some flaming going on I don't remember don't quote me on that. I gave them all a banana. I spoke my two cents and then unbananaed them. I then was accused of abusing my rights. I was defended by other admins online but that wasn't enough. They demanded that we owed them 1k or something like that or they would send a complaint to the ever popular email : [email protected] . I told them to go ahead and send that email. I was not going to pay hush money. Anyways, the more you argue with us, the harder it is for us to do our job. In that situation, we couldn't spectate other players because we were so busy with three that argued with us. If you are reading this and you know you are the ones, don't bring it up in this topic. I am not pointing fingers and I am not blaming you for the situation. I am just saying, dont argue with us.
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Oh i know the cops who will suspect me for money, and they are mostly freecops yes. That is becuase there are hardly any actual cops on the server.
You don't need to care about what i've been. You only have to face the fact i have way more experiance than you. And that you are telling me what happened in a situation which u were not present at.
Drop the subject, as you have a very narrow minded opinion.
lol, i am not narrow minded,
and yes you got more experienc.
but you just say all cops are none RP-er, and i as cop am against that idea,
there are a lot of good cops, and its a shame lots of bad once too, i agree on that,
but saying all cops sucks goes much too far