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Title: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 08, 2008, 02:15:43 pm
What you think bout it? Sorry for my bad english but anyways imo saakashvili - 2nd hitler. He gonna destroy Ossetia, he gonna kill all of civilians. There is more them 90% of russians in Ossetia. And imo saakishvili did big mistake. He said that all of reservists should come to the servis and bcome soldiers. He said that they should do it for defence his country. Defence... He is killing innocents people and gonna DEFENCE his country...

--Dimka_West
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 06:39:38 pm
Now, both sides are accusing each other of starting the attacks, so I really can't take a position in this case.

I would like to see more international peacekeepers teams there. In addition to Russians also Americans, British, German etc.

OK, as I read BBC News, then I think that Russia is invading Georgia and we are gonna have a dress rehearsal to a World War III.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Grovyle on August 08, 2008, 06:46:49 pm
I knew it, a World War III :neutral:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 08, 2008, 07:08:34 pm
As I wrote on another communities forums, on this exact subject:

Quote
I nearly shit myself.
I thought you meant that they landed in Georgia America :(

Phew, glad to know that they're not coming here.
I know, and oh so hope that we do not get involved....

My their god be with them.
Edit: And...

I hope they do not go to war, and I hope the Russians will leave, though I do not know why they invaded, nor do I know any history regarding Russia or Georgia, though I still do not wish that they go to war.

We've all seen what war is, and is still being done to us here on earth. I, and most likely 99% of the worlds population would probably not wish to have another war.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 08:13:00 pm
though I still do not wish that they go to war.

We've all seen what war is, and is still being done to us here on earth. I, and most likely 99% of the worlds population would probably not wish to have another war.
Quote from: BBC
He told CNN: "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory."

Mr Saakashvili, who has called on reservists to sign up for duty, said: "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory.

"We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight," Reuters new agency quoted him as saying.
Well for Georgians it is already a war, only a matter of interpretation
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 08, 2008, 08:21:13 pm

I hope they do not go to war

Dude..Its war already..Our (russian) president said thet noone cant just kill russian people. And this means war.

and I hope the Russians will leave

Dude, Ossetia = more then 90 % russians.

News said that there is more then 1,4k dead civils. That means more then 5k...

sorry for bad english...
--Dimka_West
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Abraham on August 08, 2008, 08:38:11 pm
Someone mind telling me what this is? without quoting wikipedia?
A quick summarizing would be nice :)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 08:46:18 pm
Someone mind telling me what this is? without quoting wikipedia?
A quick summarizing would be nice :)
In 1991 Soviet Union collapsed. So Georgia got it's independence. All countries acknowledged it's border, so that also South-Ossetia belongs to Georgia.

South-Ossetia has been itself also independent a long time ago and after the Soviet Union collapsed they are independent de facto.

So South-Ossetia now want's to  get free de jure(to be it's own country) so practically it's like a civil war.

Russia is on South-Ossetia side, because a lot of people with Russian citizenship live there. 

 :ps:
Dude, Ossetia = more then 90 % russians.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Before the Georgian-Ossetian conflict roughly two-thirds of the population of South Ossetia was Ossetian and 25-30% was Georgian.
So, let's make quick calculations. Population can be maximum 100% two-thirds are Ossetians, so that is 66,(6)% and let's say 27% are Georgians, so 100%-(~67%)-27%= 6% other. So there can be maximum 6% of Russians in South Ossetia. or do Russia mean that Ossetians are also Russian? ok then it is 100%-27%(which are Georgians)= 73% of Russians, so still not 90% of Russians.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Abraham on August 08, 2008, 08:51:53 pm
Oh, okey, thanks.
Hehe, I tough it'd be much bigger cause "someone" was talking about a third world war...
I got worried :(
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 09:05:17 pm
Oh, okey, thanks.
Hehe, I tough it'd be much bigger cause "someone" was talking about a third world war...
I got worried :(
Abraham, you know the saying "History repeats itself". Well, atm this is like before WW 2 there was Spanish civil war ( now Georgias civil war), where on either side, countries tested their military equipment. Also at the moment world economy is going down, just like before WW 2 there was economy crisis. So I would say yeah, I think World War III is not far away, but I may( I also hope so) be wrong.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Abraham on August 08, 2008, 09:34:41 pm
Difference, Spain is not Georgia.
Georgia has what? 4 million inhabitants? that's like 30 million less people then spain.
And yes, it makes a difference.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 09:43:27 pm
Difference, Spain is not Georgia.
Georgia has what? 4 million inhabitants? that's like 30 million less people then spain.
And yes, it makes a difference.
Well we will see, as I say, that mere name and population doesn't make so much difference, than the situational similarity.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Abraham on August 08, 2008, 09:52:10 pm
I say the opposite, the fact that I didn't even know this place existed until now is just proof that another world war wont happen... and I mean, a place where only 4 million people lives can't be worth fighting for.

But we will see, if there's another world war you win, if not, I win? :P
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cross on August 08, 2008, 10:38:59 pm
Most of the time i have lack on this stuff.
But when i heared this, my heart started beating fast....
Lets hope this doesnt go outa hand...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 08, 2008, 11:27:08 pm
I say the opposite, the fact that I didn't even know this place existed until now is just proof that another world war wont happen... and I mean, a place where only 4 million people lives can't be worth fighting for.

But we will see, if there's another world war you win, if not, I win? :P
I'm not saying that this war will be World War III I say this will be a rehearsal for a world war III.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 09, 2008, 12:42:43 am
Yeah when I first read the headlines I was like, "Georgia AMERICA?". Then it said President of Georgia was gonna do something and I thought, wait, Georgia doesn't have a president. It took me a whole second to realize it. But for half a second, I thought we were gonna live the movie Red Dawn. Anyways, I don't know how this all sprung up but I have a feeling we are going to get involved and I don't neccesarily want to do that at this time until I know all the facts. But, whatever happened, this war needs to be over with a treaty, not a country under someone else's rule.

 :m4: :sig:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 06:47:24 am
Dimka, do not think Americans or Estonians will support Russia ;)... Thats funny... Remember, for them - Russia is always guilty... :)

I think its only Russia is so kind that allowed several lands to be independent without any forcing them to stay...

For russians:
That was expected as Georgia is kissing Americans ass to join NATO thinking America will sponsor them with money...

And for very close russians:
If Saakashvili would be really like that enemy for Russia - he would not be existed...
Besides it leave it to the military forces to deal with... Cos Russia is uniting the Africa and Asia oil/gas barons... Gazprom now is the leader of deals and oil/gaz move all over North Africa and Asia and crashing other companies (American as well) in the production and communications... What it means you can read in economical reviews... This is the main reason why Russia is not that interested in NATO countries around... As about NATO - also do not be sad, just wait more time... Europe already got rid of dollars, in future they will got rid of NATO as well... I am not talking about past republics thou... But there is no scare, Americans will not give them nuclear power anyways, NATO was made not for that... ;) But for sending foreign troops to Iraq for example... Some Europe countries already boycotted Iraq invention...

As about Osetia and Georgia... There was other war - as soon as separated from Russia, Armenia and Azerbajdjan started fighting for the Karabah lands... The best move for Russia - to evacuate all population of Osetia (which they started do)... One km more to Russia one km less to Russia - for Russia no difference... They should continue uniting with China and India and their oil/gaz monopoly... Because after Osetia there will be other war: Georgia - Abhazia - do not forget those guys, that will be more blood...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Squeak on August 09, 2008, 07:25:07 am
I'm not saying that this war will be World War III I say this will be a rehearsal for a world war III.
I agree with Jubin, But WWIII Might be 50 or 60 years of IMO We just have to wait for stock market collapse..And the world will fall into chaos.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 07:52:37 am
You all really think WW III will be like this? Or like WW II?
And cmon stop this panic about WW III... There were a lot of more bloody fights... And will be... Before WW III even will come (if it will)... 11 September died even more citizens, nobody was talking about WW III, Americans invented the Iraq - nobody talks about WW III... Georgia and Osetia are not that bigger...

There were Hiroshima, Kuwait, Cuba, Karabah, Palestine, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Kampuchea, Nicaragua, etc., etc., etc.... You guys just do not know most of those wars, which happened after WW II...
So do not think Georgia-Osetia is more global...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2008, 09:29:38 am
South Ossetia has held a democratic referendum for separation from Georgia.
When Kosovo did the same it was welcomed.

Russia had peace keeping troops in the area and they were attacked and killed by Georgia. Before any retaliation, Russia asked the UN safety council to condemn the attack of Georgia. the UN did not make a decision, as usual. It was not a big problem when the US took the initiative in Iraq after the UN did not want to make a decision.

Georgia got independence from Russia, but can not give independence to Ossetia of they wish to have it.
Georgia is attacking what they claim are their own people.
Russia is merely defending the area that they committed to keep peace. If any UN peace troops would be attacked and killed, there would be an immediate war as reply.

Now give me what reason you can cook up to defend the actions of Georgia.

And for Americans : Moscou and America are just 5km (3 miles) apart. They both are places in Holland.  :razz:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 09, 2008, 09:32:22 am
Dimka, do not think Americans or Estonians will support Russia ;)...
Dude, i dont think so. But why saakashvili hopes that America will support Georgia? There is no oil at Ossetia, like it wus in Iraq.
 :ps: Jubin, people = people and they are dieing. ur calculation makes no difference to me.
 P :ps: Our president officialy confirms war.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: martenest on August 09, 2008, 11:02:19 am
I think this whole thing is phase 1 of taking over half of the world:

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2877/russianmapxf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

This is map of Russia as they claim, with Scandinavia, Japan etc. on it, no borders or anything: Just "Russia". And yes, Russian Education "something" (dont know it in English) have said that this map will be studying material for young Russians in school.
Now don't tell me its not Russian Government fault!
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Anto on August 09, 2008, 11:19:12 am
well, what I believe is that Russia will truly do what they want to do, who is going to stop them??

No one, well, there is NATO, they are very powerful, with America, France, England, etc, they could match the military forces of Russia easy, but do they really want their own soldiers killed over a small country's problems in another continent? I dont think so, unless it has some political gain for America, (like Oil in Iraq we all know bush is there for it only)

The UN will probably send their peackeeping troops into the hot-spots, countrys like Ireland, France, Italy. Their forces will do peacekeeping, or maybe Enforcing, but mostly Peacekeeping, and like Gandalf said, if UN peace troops are killed, the UN will go bonkers...

I really don't understand the politics of Russia, and I would never get in a big discussion about it without knowing my facts, these facts above I know may happen, and also, question to Russians - why UN and everyone is taking Georgia's side, do they not think Russia could be right? or are they still bitter after the cold war problems between herself and America?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2008, 11:29:40 am
I think this whole thing is phase 1 of taking over half of the world:

This is map of Russia as they claim, with Scandinavia, Japan etc. on it, no borders or anything: Just "Russia". And yes, Russian Education "something" (dont know it in English) have said that this map will be studying material for young Russians in school.
Now don't tell me its not Russian Government fault!

Tell me exactly where you got that map from, and the source of who claimed this. Either facts or stop spreading lies.
Besides that what does this map have to do with the current situation ?

Anto Russia asked the UN to condemn the Georgian attack on south Ossetia. The UN did not make a decision, and Russians were dying. Right now they still do not make any decision. The problem is that if they support Georgia, then why did they support Kosovo in the same situation with Serbia ? Would the UN have sat and watched ifSerbia had attacked Kovovo after their declaration of independence ? Georgia is killing Russians and Ossetians, who they call their own people.

Russia did not start the attacks so tell me why they are supposed to be the bad guys here ?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: UberPwner on August 09, 2008, 11:45:23 am
You think this is start or practice of WW3?

Go cry to the "wah"-mbulance,

because, you aint seen NOTHING yet...


And on Whos the Baddy and Goody,
Both sides had a considerable part in the start of the war.

and hopefully, the bloodshed will end before any more lives are lost.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Legolas on August 09, 2008, 11:54:47 am
I am against all conflicts. And this is not WWIII, its another conflict... like Lebanon and Israel in 2006. Hope ends soon.

And second, as admin i sugest dont talk about politics here... even if that is off-topic
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: murderboy on August 09, 2008, 12:05:26 pm
what does this war even matter?
this is just a little war which doesnt matter for the world,

and yeah right WW3 for 1 very small country against a bigger country,
2 countries in war isnt a world war
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 01:53:27 pm
what does this war even matter?
this is just a little war which doesnt matter for the world,

and yeah right WW3 for 1 very small country against a bigger country,
2 countries in war isnt a world war

I am happy you are in NATO... Seeing your comment I wish your country being forced to send forces to Iraq and got attacked and killed... I really wish it now... I wanna see how you will "sing" after that...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fabio on August 09, 2008, 02:00:45 pm
This could mean a WW3, USA Attacking Russia, Russia calling one of their freinds. Urgh.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 02:11:25 pm
I really don't understand the politics of Russia, and I would never get in a big discussion about it without knowing my facts, these facts above I know may happen, and also, question to Russians - why UN and everyone is taking Georgia's side, do they not think Russia could be right? or are they still bitter after the cold war problems between herself and America?

Lol, if America says "Russia is guilty" - Russia is guilty really?
Pffft... Do not understand Russian politics?
I will explain... If you will WISH f**king UNDERSTAND...

Russian peacemaking troops were f**king attacked... Russians asked for actions the UN, UN is sitting and licking americans ass, Russians answered and fought to get to their forces to evacuate wounded soldiers and civilians...

Still f**king do not understand?

I never saw America supporting any Russians actions...

The whole f**king world kept silence when Japan got nuclear attack... The whole f**king world was keeping silence when America attacked Iraq... What they f**king forgot there? Helping with peace? Take your marine and go to Africa - there are many wars between tribes... Do not want? Of cos America does not want to go to Africa, no interest... Only if Africa will have some oil they will start wars, then peace makings... The whole f**king world was celebrating independence of past USSR republics... Also f**king independence... That time any f**king country suggested Russians to attack Estonia, Latvia, Litva, Armenia, Georgia? No f**king no!... Why the f**k now Osetia is doing the same what did all this republics and the whole world again is f**king against Russia?

Stop f**king being ignorant and look at the world NORMAL eyes... Not through American propaganda...

What Russia did for you all personally, that you, f**kers, hate this country? Count by your f**ked up brains how many wars started America and which wars Russia started... All you will remember - Afganistan...

Yeah I am pissed...

"Germans were defeated cos America joined the war and beat them"... What an assholes lie...
"Russians are dictators, cos they had Stalin"... WTF...

Stalin was Georgian, whom you f**king "respect" now... Why do not start "Georgians f**kers! they had Stalin!"...
And that were not America or Europe who defeated Stalin's apartheid... That were Russians... With the Courts and punishment the murderers against country... Why you do not know about it? Cos you think all Russia supported Stalin, this is what you were f**king studying...

When you hear "Stalin" what you say? Aw, Russia sucks!... This is what you f**kers say... And that Stalin was killing Russians you f**king even do not know... Do not think about it... You f**kers have no idea who is Hrushev... And this guy crashed the Stalin's system... Arrested all murderers and announced about crimes Stalin, Beria (also Georgian) and others did... This you f**kers never heard, I am sure...

Do not understand Russian politics? Then f**king try to understand Russia instead of bullshitting it...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2008, 02:18:23 pm
This could mean a WW3, USA Attacking Russia, Russia calling one of their freinds. Urgh.
How would the USA justify attack on Russia ? Georgia is not a member of NATO. The UN and EU have refused in the past to help out the Russians in maintaining the peace.
If anything they can send the UN to South Ossetia and let them protect against Georgia. However that would upset a fried of the US. If they only protect the border with Russia, they will allow Georgia genocide, and don't believe it will not happen.

There for all that will happen... People blaming Russia for protecting and stopping genocide of people that want independence.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 02:24:05 pm
Oh, I would like to hear here from "peacemakers" the answer on one question:

Why does NATO exist?  :lol:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 09, 2008, 02:55:36 pm
If Russia is on South-Ossetia side, then tell me, why haven't they recognized the sovereignty of South Ossetia? Not a single country has done that. And this is not like they haven't had the time; this thing started at the beginning of 1990's.
This could mean a WW3, USA Attacking Russia, Russia calling one of their freinds. Urgh.
:rofl: :rofl:
Sry, but that is just funny.

 :ps: And also it is not sure that Georgia started the attack, both sides accuses the other side about starting the fire.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Watti on August 09, 2008, 03:16:34 pm
A world war is a war fought by most of the planet's nations — across continents and for years. As a world war progresses, the combatants devote more, then most, of their resources to it, resulting in escalating destruction. As a term, world war usually is applied to the wars of (then) unprecedented scale fought in the 20th century: World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945).

ok we got like 52 or 86 nations.. i didnt watch the olympics opening.. so i dunno :P maybe 100 any way there are a few..

If this "War" Turns into a World war, which would be unlikly unless some one calls in the Americans, which would call in others, and Maybe Even Australia, At this point, any personel in the Defence forces, are "Peace keepers" to be precise...
Whe World War III comes round, It would be Open Enlistment,

Conscription (also known as the draft, the call-up or national service) is a general term for involuntary labor demanded by some established authority.

Affected States    World War I    World War II
Deaths           18 M              60 - 100 M
Injured           20 M                    35 M
Conscripts           70 M                    110 M
Battlefield Size   4 M km²            22 M km²

Lets see

thats at least 3-5 times more deaths so lets go with 4

Injured, maybe 2 times more..

Conscripts, 2 times more
battle field, 6 times

NOW.. lets add the year between

World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945).
4 years , and 6 years...
pretty much 0.25 more

So now.. betwen each war was 21 Years
now there is 60 years at least
thats 3 times more, now.. mostly it was doubled (Conscripts.. and injured) So

Deaths: its 4 times more, so 2 times more, every 10 years thats 120 times in 60 years
So
2*60=120

120*100= 12000

Add Zeros
12 000 000 000
Twelve Billion

Injured:
if we account per 10 years it increased by .5 (50%).. so to get up to 60 years

.5 * 60 =35

35*35=1225

now we gotta add Zeros

thus 1225  is 1 225 000 000 Injured

Conscripts:
110 million Conscripts
its doubled from WW1 to WW2 so
.5*60=35

35*110=3850
add the Zeros
3 850 000 000(Three Billion Eight Hundred and Fifty Million)

Battle field
6 times in 20 years, 3 times in 10 years
22km2
so
3*60=180

180*22=3960
Add the km2 and Zeros
3 960 000 000km2 (Three Billion Nine Hundred and Sixty Million)


Deaths: 12 000 000 000(Twelve Billion)
injured: 1 225 000 000 (One Billion Two Hundred and Twenty-Five Million)
Conscripts: 3 850 000 000(Three Billion Eight Hundred and Fifty Million
Battle Size: 3 960 000 000km2 (Three Billion Nine Hundred and Sixty Million)

now here is the worlds Statistics

Population: 6.5 billion (6,500,000,000)]
land Masses: 148,939,063.133 km² ( One hundred and Forty-Eight Billion, Nine hundred and Thirty-Nine million, and Sixty-Three Square Kilometers)

If a World War 3 happens, The human Race is f**ked
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: tiderman on August 09, 2008, 04:14:21 pm
What the fuck watti? :lol:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Watti on August 09, 2008, 04:17:26 pm
lol i knew that would happen

WTF as in i dont understand...


If a World War 3 happens, The human Race is f**ked


WTF is like umm.. Why did u put that there where u bored kinda HUH!!???

I was bored.. and im good at maths.. :D
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: tiderman on August 09, 2008, 04:24:25 pm
540 words, Watti. And I lost track after reading two of them.



Ohwell.. Lucky us in Sweden we got finland on our side

(http://www.smilespedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/27011.jpg)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 09, 2008, 05:54:44 pm
If Russia is on South-Ossetia side, then tell me, why haven't they recognized the sovereignty of South Ossetia?
ill tell u why. imo russian goverment were waiting for attack. I cant belive that they aint knows bout Georgean troops, coz many people wus evacueted like 3 days before attack. And our troops aint wus there becouse now its better time to come in Ossetia to defende it and then confirm sovereignty of Ossetia.
 :ps: Georgia attacks Abkhazia.

pps sorry for bad english hope ull understand me
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2008, 05:55:15 pm
If Russia is on South-Ossetia side, then tell me, why haven't they recognized the sovereignty of South Ossetia? Not a single country has done that. And this is not like they haven't had the time; this thing started at the beginning of 1990's. :rofl: :rofl:
Sry, but that is just funny.

 :ps: And also it is not sure that Georgia started the attack, both sides accuses the other side about starting the fire.
The real question is why the UN and the EU did not care.
South Ossetia had autonomy inside Georgia since 1922. In 1990 (yes when USSR was still in one piece) they tried to declare the Ossetian republic.
In 1992 they held a referendum that was declared invalid. In 2006 they held another referendum, including people from many countries checking.
Georgia started to attack the capital, and Russia did go to the UN before answering any actions.

Sorry Jubin, Russians will not allow Georgians to kill off the Ossetians waiting for the UN to move their butts.

Tiderman, you got the Finnish war wrong. Russia got what they wanted, they never intended to add the whole of Finland. They got back exactly that piece that Finland captured before.
This is what people just do not understand. Russia is not an agressive nation. But they will fight for their rights and territory by all means.
And the second thing is that Russia will honor the promise they made. They promised South Ossetia to keep their country safe until the conflict was solved.
If they allow Georgia to attack, they break that promise.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 05:59:06 pm
Ohwell.. Lucky us in Sweden we got finland on our side

All what you need - peaceful and friendly relations with Russia... Once there will come some shit "I ll pwn Russia, they are weak" he will get a good answer...

"Who came with the sword, from the sword will die" (Russian saying)... That learned many Armies...

If Europe will be more clever, they will get the best market of clients for their products... BTW some European countries already got the idea of business together...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 09, 2008, 06:08:53 pm
ill tell u why. imo russian government were waiting for attack. I cant believe that they aint knows bout Georgean troops, coz many people wus evacuated like 3 days before attack. And our troops aint wus there because now its better time to come in Ossetia to defende it and then confirm sovereignty of Ossetia.
 :ps: Georgia gionna attack Albania.

Evacuation started after they got to places... There were no any special divisions who were evacuating people... Right now Russian Batteries managed with fights come to the positions of attacked forces to evacuate people...

Georgians attacked their lands (according to their points), cos if they claim Osetia is Georgian land - why the f**k they attacked their own citizens? This is the point of what was going on...

For Russia it is not a fight for land, it is protection of attacked civilians and backup to peace forces... Cos if Russia would fight for lands - they could (as Jubin thinks) already take Osetia under control...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: tiderman on August 09, 2008, 07:39:18 pm
All what you need - peaceful and friendly relations with Russia... Once there will come some shit "I ll pwn Russia, they are weak" he will get a good answer...

"Who came with the sword, from the sword will die" (Russian saying)... That learned many Armies...

If Europe will be more clever, they will get the best market of clients for their products... BTW some European countries already got the idea of business together...
If I was a country.. And I was going into a fight at school with another country.. I would not chose Russia. Never.
Cause russia is that kind of guy.. That will knock you out in a roundhouse kick, drag you to their cellar and make you watch teletubbies.. wait .. oh you get my point..

btw the pic was a joke :p
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Omri on August 09, 2008, 08:24:54 pm
Oh, I would like to hear here from "peacemakers" the answer on one question:

Why does NATO exist?  :lol:

I think I learned this in school ( Yes i have been in school ).
NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
Its just some random people who cant stand for thier self they need to get more to back them up in a war. Lets say this
If USA get attacked then other members of NATO MUST help USA because they are in NATO, lame right ?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Brains on August 09, 2008, 10:12:21 pm
I hope that this "war" will not inflame, and that will remain only as little conflict of the two countries, because I know what war is and the fact that a great country where I was born (Yugoslavia) was destroyed because of the war. This was a very bad time and a lot of innocent people were killed, the territory destroyed and damage done only because one f..king jerk with broken mind who wanted to achieve its goal. You know the Yugoslav war 1991-1995...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Anto on August 09, 2008, 10:12:54 pm
There is no fucking reason to come to me and say i am ignorant Aragorn cos i am not fucking ignorant, i was completely unbiased in my views, wtf has gone in to you? I understand you are pissed but this is no reason to get pissed at me for nothing and say 'stop being fucking ignorant' and shit, I actually am on Russia's side here and if you can't understand that I can't make you, Why you are getting pissed at me for nothing, I will not stand back and take that comments about me.

and read the fucking comment again that i wrote, i never bullshitted about russia and her politics, I was writing completely on Russia's side, wtf???

once again, read my comment again, then you can understand that i was talking backing up Russia.

and dont call me fucker, and say i am ignorant looking through American Propaghanda, I have been brought up to believe that the 'victorious' side in war is always the side that wrotes history, so obvioulsly there is going to be American propaghanda, but do I buy it??? no

so dont come and shit me when you have no idea what I think, what I believe, I am on Russia's side, obviously....

 read the comment properly.

Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 09, 2008, 10:38:22 pm
I am on no one's side personally. The rest of USA is the same way, because, well, we don't want the war. We are calling for an immediate ceasefire. And personally, I think that is what needs to happen. I don't think the US needs to get involved because that would just make matters worse. However, I feel very strongly both sides need to leave each other alone and Georgia needs to leave South Ossetia alone. Actually, I feel that more war is happening right here in this topic :roll: Anyways, I want to know, how does the rest of Russia feel about this war?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2008, 11:46:44 pm
Anto don't worry. Sometimes its just hard to see injustice and read everywhere comments on how Russia just can not do anything right.
Luckily in this case opinions seem to be 50-50.

Brains it was exactly what happened to your country why Russia did not want to stand idle. They are supposed to keep the peace, and some guy thought that it meant Russia will look on when something happens but not act. They made a big miscalculation.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cr4ig0 on August 10, 2008, 01:37:17 am
i'm confused about this... did Russia attack just because they found a country that wasn't russia next to russia???
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 05:53:35 am
I've said this on other forums, but I think russia could kick the worlds ass if anything comes from EU or America.

I'm on russia's side  :)

Russia is only defending Ossetia because the Georgians were doing shit to it, the Georgians denied Russias peacekeeping operations, shot down a couple of planes, captured a russian pilot, signed a contract saying they're at a state of war, russia bombed a couple of places and now Georgia wants a cease fire.
US thinks Russia is overreacting, NATO and UN are doing nothing at all.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 10, 2008, 06:09:33 am
I don't think the UN will get too much involved unless one country ends up being conquered. Then you can bet someone will step in. There is no question here that Russia will most likely win this war if no cease fire is enacted. My question is, will Russia claim it as their own? :conf:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 06:12:01 am
I don't think the UN will get too much involved unless one country ends up being conquered. Then you can bet someone will step in. There is no question here that Russia will most likely win this war if no cease fire is enacted. My question is, will Russia claim it as their own? :conf:
ofc they will, but it's a pretty unfair fight i must say
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4629/wtf1fe1.jpg)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 10, 2008, 07:02:37 am
once again, read my comment again, then you can understand that i was talking backing up Russia.
read the comment properly.

My post was to all haters of Russia and not personally to you... To you were the first words with explanation of the f**king situation...

Cos my f**king post was not all about policy of Russian politics...

And I was pissed off at Estonians comments with the fake map which is "Russians study at school"... And at reaction of Americans who cannot think their own way but think as were trained by their "communist party", which is exactly the same propaganda during Cold War... Nothing f**king changed... Here came Anto and wrote he does not understand Russian politics... Do you understand American politics who supported Georgia attacking civilians who want independence?

And yeah I am pissed off since I found out that many people on earth do not see a bullshit in democracy with tanks and war...

Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 10, 2008, 07:08:27 am
i'm confused about this... did Russia attack just because they found a country that wasn't russia next to russia???

Did UK propaganda say it was Russia who started attacks???
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 07:16:03 am
as i said, russia only defended their own people and georgia took offence, took down a couple of planes, and now it's escalating.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Omri on August 10, 2008, 10:35:11 am
Russia got all the right to defend mother russia, then I dont know why people are fightning over this, its just like your house.

Would you attack back / defend , your house against attacks ?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 10:58:32 am
Georgia have asked the US to act as a mediator to tell Russia that they have pulled almost all of their troops from Ossetia. Maybe this will be the end?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 10, 2008, 11:00:24 am
Georgia have asked the US to act as a mediator to tell Russia that they have pulled almost all of their troops from Ossetia. Maybe this will be the end?

Why should they remove troops? They do not let Georgians to kill Osetians?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Omri on August 10, 2008, 11:05:59 am
Allways USA, they just want to be a part of evrything, just like Isreal vs Lebanon
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 11:22:31 am
Why should they remove troops? They do not let Georgians to kill Osetians?
Georgia has removed almost all its troops from Ossetia and want Russia to cease fire*
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 11:38:19 am
Breaking news: Russia have denied the cease fire and are preparing to attack.
Quote
RUSSIA is preparing to attack Georgia's western Zugdidi region near the breakaway province of Abkhazia, according to Georgian parliament speaker David Bakradze.

`We have verified information that the Russians are planning to attack Zugdidi in several hours,'' Mr Bakradze said in comments shown on Georgian Public Television.

"The president of Georgia is personally heading the country's defence. Do not give the enemy the chance to occupy Georgia.''

Earlier the Georgian interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian forces had taken control of the main city in South Ossetia, Tskhinvali.

"Russian forces have occupied Tskhinvali,'' he said, referring to the epicentre of clashes between Georgian and Russian forces.

PICTURES: Here (http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5033642-5007150,00.html) (Warning: a couple of gory pics.)
SOURCE: Here (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24151856-401,00.html)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 12:10:49 pm
Dang, so this is really happening..
Just a question, who started the feud, that led the Russians to move into Osetia? Georgia, or Russia?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Omri on August 10, 2008, 12:16:06 pm
Georgia
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Pandalink on August 10, 2008, 12:42:26 pm
What is the likelihood that someone actually steps in aggressively?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Call_me_Dad on August 10, 2008, 12:45:58 pm
What is the likelihood that someone actually steps in aggressively?
i think there are very less chances

No one would want to mess with Russia (im not talkin about US, i dont understand US politics)
No one would want the situation to mess up further
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 12:54:49 pm
Russia's attacking a 2nd part of Georgia in the next 24hrs, if too many Georgian casualties happen, US will step in, UK will step in, EU will step in, they will all blow each other up and australians will rule the world.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Call_me_Dad on August 10, 2008, 01:05:21 pm
Russia's attacking a 2nd part of Georgia in the next 24hrs, if too many Georgian casualties happen, US will step in, UK will step in, EU will step in, they will all blow each other up and australians will rule the world.
:lol:
Aussies will rule a dead world
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 01:06:32 pm
ruling a dead world is better than not ruling a world..amirite?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Call_me_Dad on August 10, 2008, 01:12:03 pm
ruling a dead world is better than not ruling a world..amirite?
ummm... yah maybe  :)
even i wont have a problem ruling insects and crocodiles of other countries
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cross on August 10, 2008, 01:17:20 pm
:lol:
Aussies will rule a dead world

Dun worry k :(  I r makin 1337 bunker for argonath players!
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 01:20:57 pm
make it in newcastle, australia

small walk
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2008, 01:25:16 pm
... omg BUSH IS DEAD i mean Bush is going to be banned from the white house and there will be no unban request, so it doesnt make sence USA attack russia or barack obama will be stormed with night raids of russia bombers.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 10, 2008, 01:34:33 pm
but georgia offended russia by doing rational things in a mainly russian occupied area, russia are merely defending their almost 70,000 russian passport holders in south ossestia.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2008, 01:37:05 pm
The thing is South ossetia (georgian part) wanted to be independant and want to join with north ossetia (russian part) so Georgia didnt like that but the russians seemed to do a happy face but we ALL know russia HATE loosing power. So georgia went to south ossetia say BOO to the peacekeepers then russia took advantadge of that situation to attack south ossetia and georgia. And no this isnt going for a WWIII cause it needed 2 Super power nations to go in war and as i said in other post USA wont go to war at this time.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 02:30:50 pm
... omg BUSH IS DEAD i mean Bush is going to be banned from the white house and there will be no unban request, so it doesnt make sence USA attack russia or barack obama will be stormed with night raids of russia bombers.
God you're an idiot.
Why the living hell would USA go help some other country, when it's not even with NATO, and we have a small thing down in the desert, I don't know if you heard of it, oh yea.. ALREADY IN A WAR.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Pandalink on August 10, 2008, 02:38:37 pm
Upon inspection, I think he was agreeing with you Hayden :o.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 02:53:11 pm
Well, I guess, but still, look at what's happening now (from our POV)
We're already in a war that's costing us LOTS of money, and lives (even though it's nothing compared to how many terrorists we killed)
Now he's replying as if Barack Obama is stupid enough to go tell Mother Russia "Go away now and let them be or we'll step in and fight you!"
Now, when Obama or McCain gets into the white house, they will not simply stop the war as soon as they get in, trust me it'll never happen. Maybe a couple years down the line, yes, but not now.. and with that in mind, I bet that South Ossetia is the last thing in bushes mind to worry about.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2008, 02:59:50 pm
Bah, why are u flamming at me? What i am saying is USA wont go in war! And U are flamming on me cause u didnt understand my post. So im going to explain it to you. what i said in my post was that Bush wont go to war and u may think im dumb but matter in fact i may be smarter then some ppl in here.
Bush wont go to war because his legacy is almost ending so he wont make it worse. So if u understood u now know that u misunderstood that other post.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 10, 2008, 04:06:38 pm
The thing is South ossetia (georgian part) wanted to be independant and want to join with north ossetia (russian part) so Georgia didnt like that but the russians seemed to do a happy face but we ALL know russia HATE loosing power. So georgia went to south ossetia say BOO to the peacekeepers then russia took advantadge of that situation to attack south ossetia and georgia. And no this isnt going for a WWIII cause it needed 2 Super power nations to go in war and as i said in other post USA wont go to war at this time.
If you think killing 10 peace keepers and bombarding a city is saying 'BOO' then I guess you are right. Just like someone said 'BOO' in the USA and they went to Afghanistan and Iraq as result.
By the time the new president is elected this will have long ended.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 04:36:50 pm
Alright I see what you're saying now, sorry.
I was just a little mad cause I scanned over your post quickly and didn't thoroughly read it.

:ps: This is what we're fighting against...  :lol: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsuNAsDhN4M
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 10, 2008, 04:38:09 pm
Georgia expected that Russians will remove their troops when Georgia made an attack (usual practice of NATO forces and  peace troops)... Instead of going away and waiting for the lazy asses from corrupt UN Russians answered with their weapons... Now Georgia is crying...

I have one question: where the fuck is logic? Before attacking Russians troops anyone thought against which Army they go?

I do not mean Russian Army is omfgpwnzorg... I mean that in this situation between Georgian troops and Russian troops all is clear who will cry...

But I suppose another thing - Georgian President lost respect from his citizens... Cos being over 200 years in Russia Many relations of civilians are mixed... Georgians have a lot of families in Russia, Russians have many families in Georgia...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 10, 2008, 04:59:12 pm
Bush wont go to war because his legacy is almost ending so he wont make it worse. So if u understood u now know that u misunderstood that other post.

USA will not go to fight Russia... Cos in that case when both Empires will crash into the war between each other will be bad for all World...

BTW Russia was suggesting the disarming and peace contract, which USA successfully denied and instead of it started making NATO wider...

***

That is why I asked you all, the future of World: what is the point of NATO... And no Omri you are wrong... NATO was created for making up a good military forces against Russia... When in 1985 Gorbatchev suggested a peace to USA and starting a new relations as friends USA was confused and signed up a disarming contract... But several years ago they ignored this project and started military development... That is why right now relations between both governments are bad...

If to think logically, USA just needed Russia as a friend and then many problems in the world could be finished at once...

But the point is that one country needs an enemy to spread their propaganda and to hide inflation, as to sell weapons, which are the one product this country importing...

I loved America... Long time... I liked its citizens, I liked their patriotic feelings, I liked it as I liked Russia...
But 3 years ago I changed my mind... Cos I saw the awful propaganda against Russia and lie...

100% americans think that Russia has no good weapons and very weak... That was done to make its citizens feel they are protected from "world threat"... 100% americans think that communism is making war with USA, while communism is a normal policy like socialism, democracy, etc. and was based on equal work for equal rights of all people... 100% americans think that the WW II won Americans, while Americans joined it already when Russian Army was defeating Nazi on Germans land... 100% have no idea that during WW II Stalin was asking for support USA and England and several times got denied... And both countries agreed when scared that Russian territories will cover Europe as well... 100% americans do not know who is Stalin... And blaming him - blame Russia as well, while Russia was all in fear of stalinism, and many citizens died (were shot to death)... And 100% of americans have no idea who defeated stalinism... Their "education" like just stopped on genocide of Stalin... 100% americans think that Russians are poor, while Russians have many rich people even by world standards... 100% americans think that Russia is just some tundra with horse riders and strange hats with the red star who are drinking Vodka all days, while Russians are developed and have many specialists in science, medicine, computer technologies, etc.

I can continue it, but it will take a lot... And I am sure Americans are not even interested in what I say... They can just scroll this text...

I just hope that some of you will think over my words as the words of other side... Cos this are words of guy who 3 years ago loved both countries: America and Russia...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Tice on August 10, 2008, 05:29:38 pm
(even though it's nothing compared to how many terrorists we killed)

... This kind of blunt patriotism is why the world hates America. All this 'America, fuck yeah!!' stuff means nothing when you're stuck in an unwinnable war and dragging other countries into it.

Quote from: Aragorn
Did UK propaganda say it was Russia who started attacks???

I haven't seen a single British news article that blames either side yet. A lot of people here understand why the attack is happening. The comments on the BBC HYS (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=5212&edition=1&ttl=20080810162657&#paginator) user comments section are pretty much all in favour of Russia.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2008, 05:52:08 pm
Alright I see what you're saying now, sorry.
I was just a little mad cause I scanned over your post quickly and didn't thoroughly read it.

:ps: This is what we're fighting against...  :lol: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsuNAsDhN4M
They seem to say Alarba :P they are invoking me to kill themselfs
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Anto on August 10, 2008, 07:53:04 pm
Alright I see what you're saying now, sorry.
I was just a little mad cause I scanned over your post quickly and didn't thoroughly read it.

:ps: This is what we're fighting against...  :lol: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsuNAsDhN4M

I think Iraqi's and Afghans are doing a pretty good job dealing with Americans, sure, American's army kills alot of Iraqi's, but its the same with Iraqi's, they are holding their own.

also, there have been more stupid mistakes that have killed American soldiers, Soldiers juggling with grenades, droping grenades, doing stupid shit, they probs think the same about Americans...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 10, 2008, 08:07:46 pm
USA will not go to fight Russia... Cos in that case when both Empires will crash into the war between each other will be bad for all World...

Yeah, Aragorn, but now you`re thinking wrong way. USA will, no way. Maybe a bit later, because they have enough problems right now.

100% americans think that Russia has no good weapons and very weak... That was done to make its citizens feel they are protected from "world threat"... 100% americans think that communism is making war with USA, while communism is a normal policy like socialism, democracy, etc. and was based on equal work for equal rights of all people... 100% americans think that the WW II won Americans, while Americans joined it already when Russian Army was defeating Nazi on Germans land... 100% have no idea that during WW II Stalin was asking for support USA and England and several times got denied... And both countries agreed when scared that Russian territories will cover Europe as well... 100% americans do not know who is Stalin... And blaming him - blame Russia as well, while Russia was all in fear of stalinism, and many citizens died (were shot to death)... And 100% of americans have no idea who defeated stalinism... Their "education" like just stopped on genocide of Stalin... 100% americans think that Russians are poor, while Russians have many rich people even by world standards... 100% americans think that Russia is just some tundra with horse riders and strange hats with the red star who are drinking Vodka all days, while Russians are developed and have many specialists in science, medicine, computer technologies, etc.

This is a first act of the World War III, to change people mind, to make them hate Russia. The second act would be a economic pressure on Russia, then, USA would find a reason to attack Russia but this is a third act.

I was ROFL when i saw that on MTV:
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLeOiDF99Yo[/yt]
Thats what Americans think about Russia... "Poidem domoy vmeste so mnoy!"

The little video made by American about WW3, who would win:
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6ilpJboD0[/yt]

Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: martenest on August 10, 2008, 08:15:32 pm

And I was pissed off at Estonians comments with the fake map which is "Russians study at school"


Fake map my ass, it was sent to an Estonian newspaper from an Estonian family in Russia. A mother was helping his child with homework when she found the map in geography book.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 08:21:42 pm
Tice, I'm didn't mean
(even though it's nothing compared to how many terrorists we killed)
as in "Yea, they killed 5,000 of us, but we turned around and murdered 500,000 of their fucking asses! YEA AMERICA FUCK YEA".

No, I meant it as in, "Though they may have killed a small handful of us, around 5,000, we've successfully killed close to 100,000 (And most definitely more.)"

Wiki:
4,119 dead as of July 15th 2008. As of March 2008 there were 8,914 wounded requiring medical air transport. 20,416 wounded did not require medical air transport. Of all the wounded 13,109 were unable to return to duty within 72 hours. Medical air transport was required for an additional 8,273 for non-hostile injuries, and for 23,052 for diseases or other medical conditions.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 10, 2008, 08:31:05 pm
(even though it's nothing compared to how many terrorists we killed)
Why you so sure what all of them were terrorists?
I guess this is just a American propaganda, which says what you`re always right...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 10, 2008, 08:34:54 pm
I think Iraqi's and Afghans are doing a pretty good job dealing with Americans, sure, American's army kills alot of Iraqi's, but its the same with Iraqi's, they are holding their own.
They're not holding their own, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
Look at the statistics man, yea, anyone can set of IED's, and throw nades over a wall and kill one or two, but look at how many of us they killed (Be aware, that the Death Count is closely kept up with Americans), and how many us Americans killed.

Yes, there are always dumbass people in this world, doing dumbass things, not just in America.
Oh wait... watch that video I posted a couple posts up, maybe you'll see a glimps of 'holding their own' that you claim they held up.
They're untrained, unorganized, underpowered, whereas, the Americas are professionally trained, extremely organized, WELL powered against them.

America is winning the war.
Why you so sure what all of them were terrorists?
I guess this is just a American propaganda, which says what you`re always right...
So, let me guess, you think Americans are over there, slaughtering civillians for no reason?
Do you know that we're over there helping the civillians also?
I guess this is just an Iraqi Propaganda, which says we're always wrong..
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 10, 2008, 09:08:14 pm


And I was pissed off at Estonians comments with the fake map which is "Russians study at school"...


http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39103 (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39103)
Here you go, proof.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 10, 2008, 09:11:07 pm
1 american guy on TV said that Russia is guilty coz Russia is big country. FFS . I think more then 70% of americans thought same. Have u seen vid where Putin talking with Ossetian people and thay said that georgians burned more then 10 people in 1 house. Like fashists. I think ull never c such interviewes coz its f7cking disinformation in NATO.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: stof on August 11, 2008, 12:51:40 pm
dont worry, Russia has the Belics...but seriously man..this sucks big time i am gonna go over there and kill him...and Jack Thompson
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 05:42:36 pm
Yeah, Aragorn, but now you`re thinking wrong way. USA will, no way. Maybe a bit later, because they have enough problems right now.

Wrong... Only if you will be a stupid President of America who will decide to attack Russia... Cos that will be a nuclear War... Both sides have a lot of shit to bring down the whole World...

Besides it USA will not go alone against Russia... They will have to force NATO countries... Which on demand "go attack Russians" will say "Fuck You"... Russia is not Iraq and not an Afghanistan... It is not Japan or Vietnam... And American government knows it good as all Europe...

If America will attack Russia, the first target will be America itself... And as we know good, other NATO countries have no nuclear weapons... This is what stopping America... Having NATO is not enough for trying to invade Russian lands...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 05:45:13 pm
1 american guy on TV said that Russia is guilty coz Russia is big country.

This is the main point of hating Russia... Jealous to its territories...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Omri on August 11, 2008, 05:46:58 pm
No offence, but I really hope USA gonna get thier time, they think they knows all and they are the strongest country in teh world, shit no.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 05:52:09 pm
http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39103 (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39103)
Here you go, proof.

And Estonians are taking "truly" information from internet jokes?
1. First of all its not a political map...
2. There are no any administrative boards...
3. There is no any stamp of ministry of education...
4. Read the comments of Russians and their reaction...

Happy for every shit to continue shit Russia... Jealous that Russia after separating started growing and developing? Or sad that EU did not mean giving you money?

Stop this, Jubin, you already dig a lot of shit on Russians on forums... Thou from Russians I did not see any such shit on Estonians...

Consider it as "the last Chinese warning"... Ask your Russians teacher what it means...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 06:01:27 pm
Fake map my ass, it was sent to an Estonian newspaper from an Estonian family in Russia. A mother was helping his child with homework when she found the map in geography book.

Sure, believe some "mother helping with homework"... I can make such stories for newspapers tons...
And btw trusting the newspapers will degraded your mind... Learn more how newspapers work and what is the main target of newspapers...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cr4ig0 on August 11, 2008, 06:57:57 pm
Did UK propaganda say it was Russia who started attacks???
Yes... did BBC fuck up?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 07:31:20 pm
Wrong... Only if you will be a stupid President of America who will decide to attack Russia... Cos that will be a nuclear War... Both sides have a lot of shit to bring down the whole World...

Thanks man, i would never forget that...
Aragorn? I hope you remember the Caribbean crisis?
So, if you do then you cannot be sure what nuclear war is impossible...

So, let me guess, you think Americans are over there, slaughtering civillians for no reason?

Not only mate. Armericans are over there to take Iraq`s oil...

Yes... did BBC f**k up?

Yes, like always.

BTW, Aragorn, Triple post! You beat all records, congratz from me :D
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Jubin on August 11, 2008, 07:40:40 pm
And Estonians are taking "truly" information from internet jokes?
1. First of all its not a political map...
2. There are no any administrative boards...
3. There is no any stamp of ministry of education...
4. Read the comments of Russians and their reaction...
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=25422 (http://www.postimees.ee/?id=25422) Ok, now, let me translate it into english.
Headline: On the map of eastern neighbour Estonia is still a part of Russia.
body: In Russia, Pskov, in one of the company is up this map according to which Estonia is still a part of the eastern neighbor.  

Accordind to the map Russia and it's close neighbors Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine and Moldova are all still a part of Russian Federation, notified postimees.ee reader.

According to him/her this map was on a wall of Pskov company and is probably widely spread Russian map.
On picture there is 3x2 meters map has been printed in 2006.
(http://f.postimees.ee/f/2008/08/07/63390t41he36e.jpg)
 
Quote
Happy for every shit to continue shit Russia... Jealous that Russia after separating started growing and developing? Or sad that EU did not mean giving you money?

Stop this, Jubin, you already dig a lot of shit on Russians on forums... Thou from Russians I did not see any such shit on Estonians...

Consider it as "the last Chinese warning"... Ask your Russians teacher what it means...
Jelaous? Why should I be? Russia started growing and developing? Well good for Russia, so did all the Baltic states, if you want to research that field, try searching about Baltic Tiger. Or what are you trying to say with that? Economic situation is better in Estonia than in Russia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita)
And what have I said about Russians? I am telling about Russia and it' politics. If a Russian comes to me I'm not gonna accuse him about the things what his country has done or is doing.

(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnpmod.gif) To prevent spreading further hate against other countries.

1. This is an Estonian news story, without the printed date.
2. Pleade give the name of the company that printed the map.
3. Visit geomarket.ru for the maps that are sold today.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dogmatic on August 11, 2008, 07:42:16 pm
I was ROFL when i saw that on MTV:

Thats what Americans think about Russia... "Poidem domoy vmeste so mnoy!"

That's a UK band, not American.

The little video made by American about WW3, who would win:

That doesn't mean all Americans think that way.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: martenest on August 11, 2008, 07:56:36 pm

...


Why do you even think Aragorn will think that this map ain't fake. Or maybe Postimees.ee is fake also? Or maybe Estonia is fake and is actually a part of Russia?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 11, 2008, 08:15:14 pm
Why do you even think Aragorn will think that this map ain't fake. Or maybe Postimees.ee is fake also? Or maybe Estonia is fake and is actually a part of Russia?
Martenest when you see the full map it is clear that it is a cultural map, intended to teach children cultural events. Would you care to explain what the text and the numbers are and mean ? Or is that maybe a secret.
I can take pictures of maps on which Yugoslavia is one country and make a story of it. I might even find a recently printed map of the Roman Empire and conclude the Italians still believe they rule Europe.
People are taking things out of context in order to spread hate. I am very disappointed that intelligent people seem to fall for such fakes instead of using the brain.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 08:26:57 pm
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=25422 (http://www.postimees.ee/?id=25422) Ok, now, let me translate it into english.
Headline: On the map of eastern neighbor Estonia is still a part of Russia.
body: In Russia, Pskov, in one of the company is up this map according to which Estonia is still a part of the eastern neighbor.

Thanks for the link... Now we understood how spreads the hate on Russia among Estonians... Go on with the Estonian propaganda and hate... And send our Russian "hellos" to the "one of the companies"...
Now its clear: Estonian propaganda takes out the map of USSR and spreads lie about "teaching children in schools"...

Jubin, I expected it from you... Since you were diving on internet sites with suspicious reputation trying to find out what an idiots are Russians...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cr4ig0 on August 11, 2008, 08:29:35 pm
Yes, like always.

Come on man! BBC made Dr Who and it is not a fuck up
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 08:29:39 pm
Why do you even think Aragorn will think that this map ain't fake. Or maybe Postimees.ee is fake also? Or maybe Estonia is fake and is actually a part of Russia?

I have a very good experience in politics propaganda... I am not telling that its only Estonia spreads the lie about Russia... I remember the times of USSR propaganda... And I did not believe any of their words, even thou KGB was more smart then Estonian left newspapers...

I stopped reading such "yellow press" in Russia long time ago... Time for you to grow...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: JJ on August 11, 2008, 08:29:45 pm
Damn you people only listen to "The Great Russian Dictator Aragorn" because he is the main admin of the server and created this.
And because of dictator Aragorn says russia is the right way, Georgia is the wrong way then thats what you people listen!?

THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!
The charges russians saied are totally childish!!
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 08:31:00 pm
THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!
The charges russians saied are totally childish!!

Facts please...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: JJ on August 11, 2008, 08:34:29 pm
Facts please...

Russians saied "We are protecting our people"
O'c'mon!! So its like every country where lives even 1 russian person, may get in same attack?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 08:36:58 pm
Russians saied "We are protecting our people"
O'c'mon!! So its like every country where lives even 1 russian person, may get in same attack?

Oh now I see, you have no idea what was going on...
Suggestion - read Gandalf's posts from the beginning of the topic (if you think I am dictator) and learn more about subject you criticize...

Now next facts please - about Aragorn a dictator... Waiting...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 11, 2008, 08:38:08 pm
I am against all conflicts. And this is not WWIII, its another conflict... like Lebanon and Israel in 2006. Hope ends soon.

And second, as admin i sugest dont talk about politics here... even if that is off-topic
I am beginning to agree with our wise Elf here.
Lets make it clear. If anyone decides to use the topic for anything else as the topic indicates, we will close this and not allow any further topics.
It is not allowed to abuse the topic for spreading hate against the US, Russia, EU, Georgia, Estonia or whatever other country.

If you want to point fingers, stick to facts. If you want to tell your opinion on the war, you are welcome. But be ready to back up your opinion with facts, and expect counter facts from those with other opinions. When it can not be a friendly discussion and people try to sidetrack it by unfounded accusations, it will end.

JJ: I placed the warning on Jubin. You have 1 post to answer Aragorns question.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 08:50:53 pm
Russians saied "We are protecting our people"

80% of people lives in South Ossetia are Russians
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 11, 2008, 08:56:36 pm
80% of people lives in South Ossetia are Russians

That was not the point... The point was that were attacked Russian peace troops...

***

But I would like to hear facts from mister JJ (did not hear any on both subjects)...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Janar on August 11, 2008, 09:04:36 pm
Estonia is planning to send airplane to help people away from there.
Not sure, but heard from somewhere.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 09:07:58 pm
Estonia is planning to send airplane to help people away from there.

Away from where? From Ossetia or maybe from Georgia?
They would never join this war on Georgia`s side, just because they dont want to have a problems with Russia..
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Chill on August 11, 2008, 09:08:53 pm
 Well, first of all - this ain't likely going to be a world war. I've read alot expert opinions, and they all don't think this is possible. Now, I think it could be a very small chance of this, as Georgia always have been based on the west, they might get help from us, now when they've asked for it. I doubt it though, US doesn't want to get in another conflict with Russia, specially they don't want another cold war, or, a start on a WWIII.
 Back to Georgia, South Ossetia, is a very strategic place for the Russians to attack. First of all, alot russians lives there, and, an oil pipeline goes through that piece of land. I do think Russia was the ones who stands behind this, even if Georgia provoked? To be honest, I can't be sure at all, newspapers ain't a secure source.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: gr4nt on August 11, 2008, 09:16:28 pm
Personally, I have no comments to say about this conflict. However, I do not know why people just let Russia do what they have to do, Georgia started it, and will lose. After, it will most likely go back to the way it was before. For example, imagine Russia as the teacher and Georgia as a bad child, Russia will just turn around and shout - "Sit Down!"  :neutral: 
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 11, 2008, 09:20:37 pm
Not only mate. Armericans are over there to take Iraq`s oil...
Read the quote below Dihe...
Quote
Every time someone makes that comment I want to kick them in the teeth.

Yeah, of course the U.S. has all of Iraq's Oil. That's exactly why American Oil reserves are consistently dropping and the price of gas in the States is consistently rising. One second of thought can save you from a lifetime of mockery.
But yea, apart from that quote, and GAS COMING CLOSE TO $4.00 ON THE EAST COAST, AND CLOSE TO $6.00 OVER IN CALIFORNIA, f**k YEA, AMERICA IS JUST OVER THERE, KILLING TERRORISTS AND TAKING THEIR OIL, YET OUR GAS PRICES, AND THE PRICE OF OIL IS SKYROCKETING.
Hmm.... doesn't make sense, does it Dihe?

:ps:
And another quote from another community...
Quote
Russia won Eurovision 2008. Russia won the World Cup of Hockey 2008. Russia will win the Georgian war 2008.

:ps: :ps: Hehe
(http://i38.tinypic.com/5o5qfq.jpg)
 :rofl: :lol:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 11, 2008, 09:30:27 pm
Hayden, the price of gas here is 2.5 times what you are paying. Get over it.  :D
And lol at your pic.
Russians will have some more sympathy for the role of the US, as now they are acting as peace force they get the same kind of BS from a number of ill-informed people.

Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 10:09:26 pm
Read the quote below Dihe...But yea, apart from that quote, and GAS COMING CLOSE TO $4.00 ON THE EAST COAST, AND CLOSE TO $6.00 OVER IN CALIFORNIA, f**k YEA, AMERICA IS JUST OVER THERE, KILLING TERRORISTS AND TAKING THEIR OIL, YET OUR GAS PRICES, AND THE PRICE OF OIL IS SKYROCKETING.

Oil prices rise from the large costs of the war for USA...

As i know gas in the USA costs less then 2$ and in Russia it costs more then 2$
GAS COMING CLOSE TO $4.00 ON THE EAST COAST, AND CLOSE TO $6.00

4$ for 1 liter? Impossible! Gas in Russia costs ~ 1.3$ for one liter...
Hmm.... doesn't make sense, does it?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 10:17:42 pm
That was not the point... The point was that were attacked Russian peace troops...

I just explained Mr.JJ what we are protecting our people...

Quote from: JJ
Damn you people only listen to "The Great Russian Dictator Aragorn" because he is the main admin of the server and created this.
And because of dictator Aragorn says russia is the right way, Georgia is the wrong way then thats what you people listen!?

THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!
The charges russians saied are totally childish!!

lol, looks like only one man is totally childish here... This is you...
So you need to chill and go learn more about this war to discuss here...
And better...
Quote from: JJ
The charges russians saied are totally childish!!
Learn english xD
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 11, 2008, 10:22:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPeoL4eTb1c

Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cross on August 11, 2008, 10:25:09 pm
Poor girl..  :(
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 11, 2008, 10:28:16 pm
Poor girl..  :(

ROFL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPeoL4eTb1c

Sometimes Euronews are telling truth :P
But only sometimes...  :neutral:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 11, 2008, 10:38:41 pm
We don't pay for fuel by the liter..
Gallons.

I hate to say it...
As i know gas in the USA costs less then 2$ and in Russia it costs more then 2$
... But stop talking out of your ass please.
Google when Fuel was $2.00 per gallon... you'll see it was a while ago..

Enough about America and our Gas Prices... /georgiaVsRussia, k?
:ps: I heard Russian Troops were pulling out, is that true?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cr4ig0 on August 11, 2008, 11:20:59 pm
:ps: I heard Russian Troops were pulling out, is that true?
I hope so but where can i find out where i know the media has told the truth and not told a white lie to scare us
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 11, 2008, 11:26:27 pm
NATO is going to a reunion (meeting) with russia by tomorrow.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 12, 2008, 12:36:16 am
Well, I don't want to jump the gun here, but, it looks like Russia is trying to take over Georgia. Again, I am not jumping to conclusion here, but I would really like to know, are you going to take it over and make it part of Russia again? They have already attacked a city and are moving towards their capital. Now, I know we did the same with Iraq, but, we haven't made it apart of the U.S yet, and we are going to pull out. Is Russia going to do the same? Or are they going to make it part of Russia?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401702,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401702,00.html)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Maxy on August 12, 2008, 02:03:19 am
"Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before
destroying them."
   -Voltaire


"The tyrant always talks as if he's preserving the best interests of his people
when he actually acts to undermine them."
   -Ramman Kenoun

Russia has no reason to be in Georgia.. they are 3,000x bigger, let them resolve it themselves, or we will be facing WWIII soon.

NATO is going to a reunion (meeting) with russia by tomorrow.

The NATO has had 4 meetings on this issue, and no resolution has come of it. Russia said at the beginning that they were going to have a ceasefire, they put up some standards for it. Georgia met all of those standards, and Russia didn't want a ceasefire. Now Georgia has sent a ceasefire document to Moscow, and so far they haven't approved it. Only the President and Prime minister know the intentions of Russia in this war, but it doesn't look like anything good. Russia has taken disproportionate action, and to be honest, it doesn't look as if Russia wants a ceasefire. Churkin is also not the best representative, as he has a very angry appearance and way of words.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: RiX[LV] on August 12, 2008, 02:34:57 am
Jubin, I expected it from you... Since you were diving on internet sites with suspicious reputation trying to find out what an idiots are Russians...
Off-Topic in Off-Topic... and before you was great friends, if i understand right...
Believe me... Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania not gonna say great words about Russia. Almost all is about politic and history and it's impossible to change it. Russia starts to play around again...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Cr4ig0 on August 12, 2008, 02:55:41 am
Russia has no reason to be in Georgia.. they are 3,000x bigger, let them resolve it themselves, or we will be facing WWIII soon.

Maxy's right... i believe that this whole thing is just a reason for all the importaant countries in the world to send peacekeepers so that RUSSIA has a reason to begin a world war 3 and as someone rightly put it earlier (can't remember name sorry) that would mean doom to mankind. This whole thing is a reason for a 5minute nuclear holocaust to wipe out man... but who is doing this and why? Any ideas???? (also now i've posted this some heavys will kill me and erase any proof i ever existed so write this down!!!)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 12, 2008, 04:56:40 am
I hate to say it...... But stop talking out of your ass please.

...

Enough about America and our Gas Prices... /georgiaVsRussia, k?

Why not?
1 Gallon = 3,7 liters
1 Gallon of gas in USA costs ~ 4$ = 3,7 liters of gas in USA costs ~ 4$
1 Liter of gas in Russia costs ~ 1.3$ = 1 Gallon of gas in Russia costs ~ 4.8$

1 Gallon of oil in USA = 4$
1 Gallon of oil in Russia = 4.8$

Well, I don't want to jump the gun here, but, it looks like Russia is trying to take over Georgia. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401702,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401702,00.html)

No, we dont, we will leave Georgia after war ends...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 12, 2008, 05:20:44 am
And when, sir, do you plan for this war to end? Before you reach the capital city? Or after you overthrow their leader? You are currently 50-60 miles west of the capital. Everyone here realizes that Russia will easily reach that point by mid day tomorrow. I don't see you pulling out before then. I hope that this conflict ends before tensions get high between Russia and NATO countries.

I have been watching the news all night, and I believe it was mentioned NATO is meeting tomorrow. I heard that there is some thought of adding Ukraine to NATO after this is all over because they don't want Russia taking it over. Russia has some 140 Million people in it. Ukraine has 50 Million and it used to belong to the USSR.

I won't completely accuse them of doing this, but it seems to me (and there has been no mention of this in the media AT ALL ) that russia is trying to regain their empire starting with Georgia. It looks like a good excuse to do so and if I was trying to do it, this is probably the way I would do it. Of course, I might be totally wrong on this. Question to Russians: Is that the plan?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 12, 2008, 05:36:11 am
And when, sir, do you plan for this war to end?

We will wait for Georgia to sign some documents, then we`ll leave them.

I have been watching the news all night, and I believe it was mentioned NATO is meeting tomorrow. I heard that there is some thought of adding Ukraine to NATO after this is all over because they don't want Russia taking it over. Russia has some 140 Million people in it. Ukraine has 50 Million and it used to belong to the USSR.

We dont want to take over Ukraine. Ukraine was wanted to join NATO for a long time.

I won't completely accuse them of doing this, but it seems to me (and there has been no mention of this in the media AT ALL ) that russia is trying to regain their empire starting with Georgia.

ROFL! Then i can say that USA is trying to gain a world domination starting with Iraq...

It looks like a good excuse to do so and if I was trying to do it, this is probably the way I would do it. Of course, I might be totally wrong on this. Question to Russians: Is that the plan?

The plan:
First we will wait for Georgia to sign a document which would disallow them to make a war with Ossetia or Abhasia anymore, then we will leave them. Thats all as i know.



Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Boromir on August 12, 2008, 06:24:00 am
What a cruel world are we living in..?
Why cant people just get along each other and keep the freaking peace?
Stupid retarded and greedy presidents declared a war to each other, killing innocent people for what?
Human beings are even more harmful and powerful than any other weapons...
We are the ones who made those wicked things....
What should we do to keep the harmony? Very simple.

1. Stop being greedy and be satisfied with what you have
2. Destroy all weapon factories/companies
3. Dismiss all armies

Of course it is freaking impossible..
Why? Because we are so vicious, greedy, and sinister..
We do not trust each other, and worry that some other people around us will attack first..
Third World War.... Weapons made by human beings, wars declared by human beings...
and finally, the end of the world caused by human beings... Before we worry about the end of the earth, we should clean our hands first...



Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Amon Ra on August 12, 2008, 06:42:38 am
What a cruel world are we living in..?
Why cant people just get along each other and keep the freaking peace?
Stupid retarded and greedy presidents declared a war to each other, killing innocent people for what?
Human beings are even more harmful and powerful than any other weapons...
We are the ones who made those wicked things....
What should we do to keep the harmony? Very simple.

1. Stop being greedy and be satisfied with what you have
2. Destroy all weapon factories/companies
3. Dismiss all armies

Of course it is freaking impossible..
Why? Because we are so vicious, greedy, and sinister..
We do not trust each other, and worry that some other people around us will attack first..
Third World War.... Weapons made by human beings, wars declared by human beings...
and finally, the end of the world caused by human beings... Before we worry about the end of the earth, we should clean our hands first...






MIB, I agree with what u say and all of what u said!
Because really that is what am wishing for, but some people in this world have heads solid as steel and you cant convince them that what they are doing is wrong, they prefer to go on by their way and not listen to others because they think that they are God himself and what they say and decide is the answer and no one can say ''No'' to that.
For example that stupid idiot Hussni Mbarak and all arab leaders, am arab my self and I wont denie that our leaders suck, even though they are called ''My Leaders'', What I mean is lets take Mbarak for example:

How many years has he been the president of Egypt? ||Answer||---> 34 Years !
Ohh come on 34 years ?!?!?! and not only that, if someone talks about him or thinks of something either jail or execution.

This world sucks this life sucks if u think ur living a wonderful life your wrong chubby....
A change has to come even though the word FREEDOM is just a dream.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 12, 2008, 07:21:27 am
1. Stop being greedy and be satisfied with what you have
2. Destroy all weapon factories/companies
3. Dismiss all armies

Yes its impossible... Russia suggested this and started disarming bombs, till America ignored the contract... Since that time the relations started again be difficult...

RiX - I do know Baltic countries hate Russia... And will hate all their life... And here you also right - does not matter what good things Russia does, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia will hate this country... You better take as example not Nazi parades but cooperation between Germany and Russia which nowadays is very good...

As about our relations with Jubin - yes we were friends (as I thought)... But for one of us politics became be the main... I never spread any lie and even any talks about Estonia... I read news from internet as well and did not see any spreading hate from Russian press on Estonia... And I will never talk about Estonia in a bad way until Estonians will not start first... So do many other Russians... Its up to you - whats is more important - to have friends or to have "enemies"... For Russians is more important to make their own life, enjoying it then to sit 24/7 and spread lies about nearest countries...

To all others - you just totally ignore the situation that Georgia was the first who attacked peace troops (admitted by Georgia itself)... Cos this peace forces are Russian... If that will be American forces you will be silent... When the fight started all began spread questions "what Russia does in Ossetia?"... This peace forces were there long time, legally (accepted by United Nations)... So why the fuck you began accuse Russia? They did not invade... They were there... And if Russians would like to take Georgia they could do it as soon as UN accepted peace forces of Russia in Ossetia...

This conflict did not come yesterday, as many of you think...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 12, 2008, 10:14:51 am
Americans are full of fail and beleive anything the government and media say.
Look at this. (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-boot12-2008aug12,0,5870761.story)

Several horrible comments made towards Russia. Makes me feel like ringing up their office and throwing many swear words at them.

Also, Putin is very worried his bank account in Switzerland. There's over 1billion in his bank account, and NATO could easily freeze it.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 12, 2008, 10:16:03 am
What a cruel world are we living in..?
Why cant people just get along each other and keep the freaking peace?
Stupid retarded and greedy presidents declared a war to each other, killing innocent people for what?
Human beings are even more harmful and powerful than any other weapons...
We are the ones who made those wicked things....
What should we do to keep the harmony? Very simple.

1. Stop being greedy and be satisfied with what you have
2. Destroy all weapon factories/companies
3. Dismiss all armies

Of course it is freaking impossible..
Why? Because we are so vicious, greedy, and sinister..
We do not trust each other, and worry that some other people around us will attack first..
Third World War.... Weapons made by human beings, wars declared by human beings...
and finally, the end of the world caused by human beings... Before we worry about the end of the earth, we should clean our hands first...

I guess this is a first time then i want to support MIB...
I agreed with him now...
Maybe the first and the last time xD
MIB is right...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 12, 2008, 10:36:59 am
MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 12, 2008, 10:55:49 am
"Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before
destroying them."
   -Voltaire


"The tyrant always talks as if he's preserving the best interests of his people
when he actually acts to undermine them."
   -Ramman Kenoun

Russia has no reason to be in Georgia.. they are 3,000x bigger, let them resolve it themselves, or we will be facing WWIII soon.

The NATO has had 4 meetings on this issue, and no resolution has come of it. Russia said at the beginning that they were going to have a ceasefire, they put up some standards for it. Georgia met all of those standards, and Russia didn't want a ceasefire. Now Georgia has sent a ceasefire document to Moscow, and so far they haven't approved it. Only the President and Prime minister know the intentions of Russia in this war, but it doesn't look like anything good. Russia has taken disproportionate action, and to be honest, it doesn't look as if Russia wants a ceasefire. Churkin is also not the best representative, as he has a very angry appearance and way of words.
Georiga did not meet the standards. The standards Russia set were complete withdrawal of Georgian troops from south Ossetia, and the start of political negotiations regarding the future of the region. Georgia signed a piece of paper asking complete withdrawal of Russian troops from South Ossetia. Any idea why Russia does not want to sign that ?
Russia does want a ceasefire, but on the terms they set, which includes that there will not be a chance of repetition of such events.

I read an American report where Russia is compared to Hitler. In the same report it says that Georgia is one of TWO countries that separated  from the Soviet Union.
Guess that the maps of Russia that Jubin showed were from the US.

And yes I agree with MIB and others that war is pointless. Unfortunately, once people get in to a position where they could change things, their opinion changes as well.
I am for peace.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: RiX[LV] on August 12, 2008, 11:38:53 am
RiX - I do know Baltic countries hate Russia... And will hate all their life... And here you also right - does not matter what good things Russia does, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia will hate this country... You better take as example not Nazi parades but cooperation between Germany and Russia which nowadays is very good...
You know why it's like that? Because Russians killed almost all officers with families including kids. Don't forget about deportations to Siberia. Latvia before your occupation was advanced country, but you broken your and Latvia's economy for next fifty years. And if we speak about cooperation between Germany and Russia. I see you are good friends like in 1939. year when you together with Germany destroyed Poland and almost killed all Polish army. There were fields full of Polish army corpses and they didn't die in warfare. They all was standing in row and got killed.
Think about it...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 12, 2008, 11:50:41 am
Rix, I can understand that the Baltics are concerned. But the Russia and Germany of today are not the countries of 1939, just as Latvia has changed a lot since then.
Also most people who were alive then are already dead. In a war people die, and nobody tells the truth of what happened.

If you want to hate, hate the politics and the government decisions. But do not project that hate towards people who are mostly innocent.

As for the latest news, the Russian president has declared the operation will end. Now lets see if Georgia will agree.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: RiX[LV] on August 12, 2008, 11:59:35 am
Also most people who were alive then are already dead. In a war people die, and nobody tells the truth of what happened.
Yea, enemies killed every person who know anything about war... and yea, Russia wasn't doing anything, only reading books.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 12, 2008, 12:04:38 pm
War is officially over.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Gandalf on August 12, 2008, 12:18:46 pm
Yea, enemies killed every person who know anything about war... and yea, Russia wasn't doing anything, only reading books.
Russia lost more troops than there are people in Latvia. I guess they were doing something.
And I do not deny that the Russian, German, American, British and any other troops that were involved killed many people and did a lot of atrocities. But what people have forgotten because of long times of peace is that in war there are no rules. Bombs and bullets to not check if they land in the proper place before hitting.
And once you have seen people kill your friends, you will want revenge. Many people go overboard on such revenge and as a result the hate between people grows.

You have all rights to your opinion, and so do Jubin and Martenest. All I ask is not to knowingly spread lies and misinformation.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: CM Daniel on August 12, 2008, 12:33:22 pm
1 Gallon = 3,7 liters
1 Gallon of gas in USA costs ~ 4$ = 3,7 liters of gas in USA costs ~ 4$
1 Liter of gas in Russia costs ~ 1.3$ = 1 Gallon of gas in Russia costs ~ 4.8$

1 Gallon of oil in USA = 4$
1 Gallon of oil in Russia = 4.8$

No, we dont, we will leave Georgia after war ends...

In Holland we pay 9.08 US dollars a gallon (1.597 EUR a litre/2.40 USD a litre). :(
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: rJCaiG on August 12, 2008, 01:08:53 pm
$1.49 AUD/litre here. :D
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 12, 2008, 01:34:02 pm
War Sucks, Let's Party!


(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/c8/52/510e1c9beaaa718746e5e18e322e.gif) (http://piccy.info/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3hHejyY3hI
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Maximus on August 12, 2008, 01:36:45 pm
i think its a nice little war they have going:)
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Alarba on August 12, 2008, 01:38:07 pm
For gods sake russia troops are not moving in anymore but they said that they wont leave :P
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Abraham on August 12, 2008, 01:38:10 pm
(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/c8/52/510e1c9beaaa718746e5e18e322e.gif) (http://piccy.info/)
Rofl...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: NitrOx on August 12, 2008, 01:44:49 pm
I hope this war ends soon, russians murdered a dutch cameraman in the bombings  :cry:
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 12, 2008, 02:06:02 pm
Lol @ Nitrox..
Russians alaways  
guilty, ye?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: RiX[LV] on August 12, 2008, 02:08:07 pm
Russia lost more troops than there are people in Latvia. I guess they were doing something.
And I do not deny that the Russian, German, American, British and any other troops that were involved killed many people and did a lot of atrocities. But what people have forgotten because of long times of peace is that in war there are no rules. Bombs and bullets to not check if they land in the proper place before hitting.
And once you have seen people kill your friends, you will want revenge. Many people go overboard on such revenge and as a result the hate between people grows.

You have all rights to your opinion, and so do Jubin and Martenest. All I ask is not to knowingly spread lies and misinformation.
I'm not knowingly spreading lies and/or misinformation. I'm talking about history.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: NitrOx on August 12, 2008, 02:09:49 pm
Lol @ Nitrox..
Russians alaways  
guilty, ye?

No, you toastering dimka, but i think the Russians are going way aggressive on Georgia, since its just a small country.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dimka_Richman on August 12, 2008, 02:13:59 pm
Dude, they r killing our people and we must wait for Saurons help?
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Husky on August 12, 2008, 02:18:51 pm
War Sucks, Let's Party!


(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/c8/52/510e1c9beaaa718746e5e18e322e.gif)


Lmao Dimka ;D
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: JJ on August 12, 2008, 02:20:42 pm
I hope USA will come help and kill all russians  :m4:  :hit: :m4: :hit: :gun: :cap: :m4:  :cry: :cowb:  :cop:  :war: :cry:
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) Facism. Warning by Gandalf.
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Challenger on August 12, 2008, 02:32:22 pm
I hope USA will come help and kill all russians  :m4:  :hit: :m4: :hit: :gun: :cap: :m4:  :cry: :cowb:  :cop:  :war: :cry:
keep dreaming...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: DiheSforza on August 12, 2008, 03:02:39 pm
I hope USA will come help and kill all russians  :m4:  :hit: :m4: :hit: :gun: :cap: :m4:  :cry: :cowb:  :cop:  :war: :cry:

I hope ill find and murder one a**hole called JJ...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Amon Ra on August 12, 2008, 03:03:49 pm
this topic HAS to be locked because this is going to lead some where that any one wont like

 :ps: JJ stfu with this stuff ur saying please
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: schfifty on August 12, 2008, 03:26:55 pm
Conflicting Reports on whether attacks are continuing after Mevdev orders halt of military action. I would like to change my earlier statement. I think the war will end within the week.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402043,00.html
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2008, 03:28:33 pm
Russia lost more troops than there are people in Latvia. I guess they were doing something.
And I do not deny that the Russian, German, American, British and any other troops that were involved killed many people and did a lot of atrocities. But what people have forgotten because of long times of peace is that in war there are no rules. Bombs and bullets to not check if they land in the proper place before hitting.
And once you have seen people kill your friends, you will want revenge. Many people go overboard on such revenge and as a result the hate between people grows.

You have all rights to your opinion, and so do Jubin and Martenest. All I ask is not to knowingly spread lies and misinformation.

Well ye something definetly must be going on, cos the Russians have sank a Georgian war ship....and they would't just go "Hey look! a war ship, lets sink it!"
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: tiderman on August 12, 2008, 03:55:30 pm
I hope USA will come help and kill all russians  :m4:  :hit: :m4: :hit: :gun: :cap: :m4:  :cry: :cowb:  :cop:  :war: :cry:
LOL JJ :lol:

And LMAO@Bush defends georgia-pic
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Brains on August 12, 2008, 04:03:02 pm
this topic HAS to be locked because this is going to lead some where that any one wont like

:bow:
This is transformed in strife...
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Boromir on August 12, 2008, 06:24:56 pm
Topic Locked to prevent further arguments..
Title: Re: War in South Ossetia
Post by: Aragorn on August 13, 2008, 08:12:14 am
You know why it's like that? Because Russians killed almost all officers with families including kids. Don't forget about deportations to Siberia. Latvia before your occupation was advanced country, but you broken your and Latvia's economy for next fifty years. And if we speak about cooperation between Germany and Russia. I see you are good friends like in 1939. year when you together with Germany destroyed Poland and almost killed all Polish army. There were fields full of Polish army corpses and they didn't die in warfare. They all was standing in row and got killed.
Think about it...

You were not the one who was deported to Siberia... Were you fighting against Stalin? no... You even did not say a word and were sitting and afraid to say a word against Stalin... That were Russians who fought against Stalin and his dictatorship... More Russians were dieing then Latvians... You remember Stalin (Georgian) and make propaganda - this is Russia who are dictators... No way for such shit here... Many Russians who were fighting Stalin got killed (even not deported)... The shit is - spreading lie and taking only negative things... You have no idea about fights against stalinism and only scream "Russia killed our people!"
And Russians were not in Poland when there were Germans... They were not in any country and even were not preparing for the war...

Think about it FFS...
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