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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: CBFasi on April 14, 2009, 11:46:34 am

Title: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: CBFasi on April 14, 2009, 11:46:34 am
Thanks to Cems Gang, Gvardia Family and a few others the following are being instigated, along with a warning.

The ability to heal has a medic while wanted is gone - say thanks to Gavardia and blatant abuse of /heal use in the middle of a firefight, such that it was as if they had god like abilities, 3 different incidents where they did exactly the same...
The sheer volume of firepower it took to kill one totally backs up requirement for mass SAPD arms use, so want to complain about SAPD getting heavy arms... blame criminals!

The ability to use /buy abuse by Cems gang to buy drinks to heal when in middle of combat.  Well I thought I had added a nice little script to discourage this, instead its now a blanket block..

Both of these show criminals be inventitive, and if you want to claim irl then sorry kiddies, irl does not get you back to full health..

NON wanted medics can heal ANYONE, both cops and criminals, but if you healign criminals, dont get actually invovled in the firefight or you will be wanted, and its a cop decision, if they suspect you then you appearing to be too involved, tough...


As for the Warning..

In RS4 a feature which means you are frozen on entry to a building was introduced to reduce the chance of falling when entering a building, a rather common feature of RS3 building entry..

This is being used as a way to aim at cops, or for that matter anyone entering a building and the millisecond they are thawed they are shot at.  Its not fun dying 4 time in a row without even getting chance to move, you may think its fun to just kill, ahh yes thats dm btw!

This is straight forward SCRIPT ABUSE

You may claim 'but irl we would target the door'... but hang on irl there is more than a door that can be used for entry, in fact the time when this excuse was used against ME was in hospital which IRL would have a large number of doors, and a large number of windows, all accessable and IRL they would be used.

Fact is we have ONE way in, you want to spawn camp it we can BAN YOU FOR SCRIPT ABUSE

Yes remember script abuse is a BANNABLE offense.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: BlackBird on April 14, 2009, 11:58:17 am
So basically most the abuse is coming from criminal groups then such as Cems and Gvardia?
In past wouldnt there entire Group receive a official warning and any more the group would be closed?
But Thank you for clearing this up CBF ;)
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 14, 2009, 12:00:00 pm
So basically most the abuse is coming from criminal groups then such as Cems and Gvardia?

No, thats wrong.
Its not coming from "criminal groups such as Cems and Gvardia" it is "coming from Cems and Gvardia".
There is a big, big difference.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: JDC on April 14, 2009, 12:00:46 pm
I guess this was triggered by today's incident, when 2 Criminal Medics and 3 Gvardias imprisoned themselves in SF Hospital.

Nice work CBF, now we will see less of this abuse.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: BlackBird on April 14, 2009, 12:10:34 pm
No, thats wrong.
Its not coming from "criminal groups such as Cems and Gvardia" it is "coming from Cems and Gvardia".
There is a big, big difference.

Besides the point, arent they suppose to receive a official warning or something?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: charz on April 14, 2009, 12:33:06 pm
You may claim 'but irl we would target the door


Question: so, cops surrendering the area , mostly at the door , is not allow any more?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Bianconeri on April 14, 2009, 04:33:08 pm
he talks about the frozen when entering a building, you are an easy target then,
so it isnt allowed to shoot then anymore,
or perhaps he means IRL cops could come through windows also,
so if you IRL RP, you should aim on windows also

and this is a good thing, Gvardia and Cems ruin a lot for the server always,
hope they learn there thing about script abuse(/q happens a lot at both)
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Marting_Riggs on April 14, 2009, 05:05:03 pm
i was telling Gvardia not to hang around the spawn on the cb i sayed stay back, and for the medic healing themselfs, your medic on the other side was doing the exact same thing so it was kinda far either way you guys had armour witch is understandable since you cops ^^
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Wash on April 14, 2009, 05:17:47 pm
Oh ffs..

can we not abuse the commands, because of it we're loosing our stuff that favours criminals
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Eric Wright on April 14, 2009, 06:11:00 pm
You can't eat or drink anymore as suspect now?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: BlackBird on April 14, 2009, 06:14:01 pm
CBF, Some of the Blocks on stuff while suspect i understand, But again, i must state the question, Shouldnt only they be punished instead of the entire server?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Seskom on April 14, 2009, 06:40:16 pm
You can't eat or drink anymore as suspect now?

Thats what i would like to know also.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Julian on April 14, 2009, 06:44:33 pm
You can't eat or drink anymore as suspect now?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Oliver on April 14, 2009, 06:50:11 pm
You can't eat or drink anymore as suspect now?

Not while in a firefight.
You can munch all you want when cops haven't surrounded you.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Julian on April 14, 2009, 07:12:30 pm
Well then, thanks alot Gvardia and Cems.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: battle on April 14, 2009, 07:23:03 pm
Yeah, thanks alot... not
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Marting_Riggs on April 14, 2009, 08:47:20 pm
we had another shootout yesturday in hospital and eug and jenn were medic's they rped it they did /me opens medic kit /me gives joe a shot of adrinilin

then either Eug or Jenn would /heal id

so is that still abuse since that takes like 1 min to type ?

and it rped out
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: CBFasi on April 14, 2009, 08:50:52 pm
Gvardia and Cems are the most high profile abusers of this but others have done it too..


i was telling Gvardia not to hang around the spawn on the cb i sayed stay back, and for the medic healing themselfs, your medic on the other side was doing the exact same thing so it was kinda far either way you guys had armour witch is understandable since you cops ^^

Our medic however was outside, and a non combatant, yours was right in the middle of the fight shooting, then pulling just around corner wall and healing self and others, then going back in to shoot.  I actaully wanted policee to be able to do first aid but decided it would be unfair, but criminals you really did it !!

You can use a medic, just keep that medic as a non-combatant and OUT of risk of being accused.  Medics can be warned to back off over emergency channel...
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Rusty on April 14, 2009, 09:36:13 pm
So say we'r back in the Hospital can we have a medic sitting in a room away from the fight but still be able to use him to heal?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Indica on April 14, 2009, 11:44:30 pm
Thanks to Cems Gang, Gvardia Family and a few others the following are being instigated, along with a warning.

The ability to heal has a medic while wanted is gone - say thanks to Gavardia and blatant abuse of /heal use in the middle of a firefight, such that it was as if they had god like abilities, 3 different incidents where they did exactly the same...
The sheer volume of firepower it took to kill one totally backs up requirement for mass SAPD arms use, so want to complain about SAPD getting heavy arms... blame criminals!

The ability to use /buy abuse by Cems gang to buy drinks to heal when in middle of combat.  Well I thought I had added a nice little script to discourage this, instead its now a blanket block..

Both of these show criminals be inventitive, and if you want to claim irl then sorry kiddies, irl does not get you back to full health..

NON wanted medics can heal ANYONE, both cops and criminals, but if you healign criminals, dont get actually invovled in the firefight or you will be wanted, and its a cop decision, if they suspect you then you appearing to be too involved, tough...


As for the Warning..

In RS4 a feature which means you are frozen on entry to a building was introduced to reduce the chance of falling when entering a building, a rather common feature of RS3 building entry..

This is being used as a way to aim at cops, or for that matter anyone entering a building and the millisecond they are thawed they are shot at.  Its not fun dying 4 time in a row without even getting chance to move, you may think its fun to just kill, ahh yes thats dm btw!

This is straight forward SCRIPT ABUSE

You may claim 'but irl we would target the door'... but hang on irl there is more than a door that can be used for entry, in fact the time when this excuse was used against ME was in hospital which IRL would have a large number of doors, and a large number of windows, all accessable and IRL they would be used.

Fact is we have ONE way in, you want to spawn camp it we can BAN YOU FOR SCRIPT ABUSE

Yes remember script abuse is a BANNABLE offense.
I was involved in this firefight. I think how you handled it (removing the ability for wanted medics to heal) is a good idea.
However, cop medics is just as bad of an idea. I remember how the cops had two medics healing them just as quickly as we were. How is that fair?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Voodoo on April 15, 2009, 01:44:53 am
IRL there are medics, but they treat only if someone is really injured, and usually, or, always, he never comes back to the fight.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: JDC on April 15, 2009, 03:37:02 am
You criminals have a lot of thanks to say to Gvardia and Cems... anyway, today is "JDC is sarcastic" day. No offense to Gvardia and Cems.

About the wanted medics not being able to heal, criminals are once again moaning about cops having advantages... the idea that cops should only have as much advantage as criminals is total bullshit, Cops are a force made to control the criminals, not to combat them in a war where both sides are equal. Cops need to retain some control over the criminals.

Let's put it into a different situation with the same logic for example... think of the community as a Human Being. The cops are the white blood cells who find dangers to the body and expel them, while the criminals are the millions of kinds of germs who invade the body, posing risks both small and big. If the white blood cells were equal in strength to the germs, your body resistance factor will lower to nearly zero and you'll be f**ked!

Get the logic?

Anyways, enough of that Cop-Crim-Advantage discussion before people start moaning and we get "*childish voice* But JDC STARTED IT!" all over the place.



Anyway, think of another situation that would happen if CBF didnt block wanted medics from healing. Three criminal medics would be locked up inside a hospital, shooting cops whenever they go in. Poor cops, it's like a human being with AIDS. No matter how many white blood cells are sent, it is no use.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Hircine on April 15, 2009, 03:59:05 am
Gvardia and Cems are the most high profile abusers of this but others have done it too..


Our medic however was outside, and a non combatant, yours was right in the middle of the fight shooting, then pulling just around corner wall and healing self and others, then going back in to shoot.  I actaully wanted policee to be able to do first aid but decided it would be unfair, but criminals you really did it !!

You can use a medic, just keep that medic as a non-combatant and OUT of risk of being accused.  Medics can be warned to back off over emergency channel...

Bullshit, if you're referring to [Z]Mike he was shooting us as well and was inside, if this isn't what you're talking about then sorry.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Fido Dido on April 15, 2009, 03:59:57 am
Bullshit, if you're referring to [Z]Mike he was shooting us as well and was inside, if this isn't what you're talking about then sorry.

LIES he was OUTSIDE
-_-
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 15, 2009, 05:06:02 am
JDC, you seem to believe that cops should have a better position than criminals do.
This is just totally untrue.

I'll use WoW as an example, but its in every online game.
In WoW lore, a Warrior (big guy with sword) could never, ever defeat a Mage (guy with lots of fire flying from his hands). He'd just get burnt up instantly. However, in the interest of balance, this was ignored and the two classes can fight one another ingame on a fairly balanced level.

You're talking IRL. Yea, IRL the cops are there to help you. Ingame none of that logic applies, whatsoever. The two sides should be balanced, otherwise you guys would be out a job as nobody would bother ever being a criminal. Frankly, if there was actually any money and fun to be had in selling Lasagnes (which there isn't :() then I'd do that. However, there is no fun to be had because frankly I'm just typing lots of /me. As a criminal, I'm actually doing something.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Hircine on April 15, 2009, 05:27:30 am
LIES he was OUTSIDE
-_-

He was inside, also using guns, I dunno if this occured after CBF left or what.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on April 15, 2009, 05:50:59 am
IRL there are medics, but they treat only if someone is really injured, and usually, or, always, he never comes back to the fight.

1. This isnt IRL.

2. Even IRL I you will never see a medic helping a criminal during a shootout, cops would make sure of it...
Medics arent just some random people who can do what they want, they are usually only seen during emergencys with ambulances, not with criminals helping them.

3. It doesnt take 4 seconds for a medic/doctor to treat someone with bullet wounds IRL.

4. Once again, this isnt IRL...
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Altair_Carter on April 15, 2009, 07:15:37 am
2. Even IRL I you will never see a medic helping a criminal during a shootout, cops would make sure of it...
Medics arent just some random people who can do what they want, they are usually only seen during emergencys with ambulances, not with criminals helping them.

3. It doesnt take 4 seconds for a medic/doctor to treat someone with bullet wounds IRL.

2. Maybe IRL criminal has a medic-friend, who helps criminal in combat? Thought of friendship?

3. But it takes a bit more than 40 seconds to give First Aid after a bullet shot to continue the work.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Trobby888 on April 15, 2009, 07:31:52 am
 IRL, no-one can recover to "full HP" after they have been shot within like 2 seconds. It takes more than 2 seconds to remove a bullet from a person's wound, plus takes a lot of concentration too. Let alone that, even as the bullet is removed, it takes at least hours before the person can really recover. Yes, ingame isn't IRL, but at the same time, the game is completely unbalanced by the criminals who just abuse this /heal. So yes, I'm happy that this abuse is going to be removed.

 Also, to those who are moaning about criminals having too much disadvantage, in the game, criminals can now escape by running away and keeping from cops for a long enough time. Why are criminals still moaning about too many disadvantages even though they can escape like this?? In real life, even if criminals get away, the evidence of their treason is still there within the police force, so they could just get him another day. But that doesn't happen ingame. If suspects get away, that's that, even if the evidence of their act is still there. So why keep complaining even after having this advantage?!?!?!
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Cutt3r on April 15, 2009, 07:39:42 am
I am neither a cop nor a criminal. I have nothing in this. So I believe I am neutral in this topic. Guys this discussion of who has more advantage, non rp, etc etc could go on and on into hundreds of pages or could be simply understood as follows:

1. Criminals abused /heal on more than one occasion. Plain and simple. What happened yesterday was abuse, it was clear, no amounting of saying 'it was not' will make it non-abuse.
2. If a command or script is abused, it is blocked/removed.
3. Due to (1) it is blocked in a certain way, though not fully.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: CBFasi on April 15, 2009, 08:34:19 am
Bullshit, if you're referring to [Z]Mike he was shooting us as well and was inside, if this isn't what you're talking about then sorry.

If did get invovled he would of become wanted!!

He was definately outside on the engagement I was directly involved in, the one where I ended up spectating to see just why we was having no affect with the massed firepower we had..
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Harald on April 15, 2009, 08:41:45 am
Gvardia, I have no idea about. But Cems are none to joke around with.
They're just blasting you to pieces. I don't say they are bad at RP, but they got skills when it's about gunhandle aswell...and that's, how I imagined, they're way to express themself.

Anyway, the whole thing that you aren't allowed to take HP as suspect is great. Like 2-3 days ago, I chased a suspect.
I shot him twice with a deagle and he almost had no HP left, then he ran into a Cluckin' Bell and refilled his health.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: JDC on April 15, 2009, 12:35:08 pm
Criminals will actually have to try and fight for survival instead of being holed up in Cluckin Bells and hospitals and going "OHHHHH YEAH 15-COP KILLING SPREE!".
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: ScorpZ on April 15, 2009, 02:52:30 pm
Can someone please collaborate what we actually did wrong. Everyone is reffering to Cems -  But as far as i can see i personally havent done anything wrong..


Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Rusty on April 15, 2009, 02:59:15 pm
Actually ScorpZ, Gvardia are getting more stick than anyone because of this.
Though CBFasi is right we'r nott he only groups or people to have done this so before people start complaining on us they should stop and think.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 15, 2009, 03:58:21 pm
Criminals will actually have to try and fight for survival instead of being holed up in Cluckin Bells and hospitals and going "OHHHHH YEAH 15-COP KILLING SPREE!".

I actually agree with you on some level, as I disagree with criminals sitting in an interior that contains a health pickup.
Nonetheless, I think if criminals can manage to escape to a restaurant, and use it, they should be allowed to. That said, I understand it is hard to tell (script-wise) if somebody is fighting inside the restaurant, or managed to escape there for a short time to refill health.
Perhaps make it so that they have to enter and exit each time they wish to buy something. That way, they would have to walk outside for a moment if they were indeed fighting inside it (where they could be shot).
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: James_Alterlis on April 15, 2009, 04:55:32 pm
I actually agree with you on some level, as I disagree with criminals sitting in an interior that contains a health pickup.
Nonetheless, I think if criminals can manage to escape to a restaurant, and use it, they should be allowed to. That said, I understand it is hard to tell (script-wise) if somebody is fighting inside the restaurant, or managed to escape there for a short time to refill health.
Perhaps make it so that they have to enter and exit each time they wish to buy something. That way, they would have to walk outside for a moment if they were indeed fighting inside it (where they could be shot).

Nice idea

What about while suspect, you cannot enter hospital and restaurant?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 15, 2009, 04:58:09 pm
Nice idea

What about while suspect, you cannot enter hospital and restaurant?

Why did you say I had a nice idea then suggest something which is totally against it? =_=
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: TruthSvensson on April 15, 2009, 05:20:52 pm
Nice idea

What about while suspect, you cannot enter hospital and restaurant?
What about while suspect, you can't drive cars, run or use weapons? GREAT IDEA IMO
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: LillMumin on April 15, 2009, 05:30:44 pm
Yea, when you get suspected, you get frozen and loose 6000... then jailed for 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: TruthSvensson on April 15, 2009, 05:33:28 pm
Yea, when you get suspected, you get frozen and loose 6000... then jailed for 20 minutes.
Oh this is a better idea
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: James_Alterlis on April 15, 2009, 05:42:39 pm
Yea, when you get suspected, you get frozen and loose 6000... then jailed for 20 minutes.

You don't lose $6000... except u spend that money for only noob-off shotguns or N(oob)K47

Oh this is a better idea

Stop the fighting

What about while suspect, you can't drive cars, run or use weapons? GREAT IDEA IMO

Suspect without cars? Can't run? No weapons?
Are you crazy? Stop that
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 15, 2009, 05:45:59 pm
Suspect without cars? Can't run? No weapons?
Are you crazy? Stop that

Warning, the above poster exhibits signs of Epic Fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: James_Alterlis on April 15, 2009, 05:56:19 pm
Warning, the above poster exhibits signs of Epic Fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)


huh? What u mean...  :poke:
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Cero on April 15, 2009, 05:59:38 pm
James, he was being ironic...
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Violet on April 15, 2009, 06:23:51 pm
You guessed it, another long post from me, apologies if I annoy/bore anyone, but I think its important to express what

I think. Having read through the topic, I think its fair that the groups who were abusing the commands were clan warned.

I have no sympathy for those players who are simply here to gloat and boast about how great their fighting skills are,

if you wish to do that, simply visit a deathmatch server. I find it sick, that people knowingly are abusing the new scripts,

that they were moaning for months to attain, and when they get it, toss the trust of rule following players and developers

into the bin. For me, script abuse means just one thing, attaining an advantage over other players, which is the same purpose

of any cheat or hack tool, so now that you have been warned, I encourage the criminals who do abide the rules not to support

future banned players who were prevented from further malignant use of the scripts in their unban requests, in my eyes

the bans issued are well and fully deserved, no matter who is banned.


I am a criminal, but that does not allow me, or anyone else for that matter to simply abuse commands

for my own recreational purposes, and although I am friends with some of the members of criminal groups warned, I completely am

against you all letting the names of criminals as a whole down. Perhaps it is this that is leading to other things such as only police roleplaying players

to be trusted with level 1 admin also known as trial moderator rights, because if the main admins think that we, criminals cannot control ourselves

when it comes down to basic rules, so why should criminals be allowed to teach new players as criminals are a bad example, I could be wrong, but its just

an idea.

IRL there are medics, but they treat only if someone is really injured, and usually, or, always, he never comes back to the fight.

This is not a real life server, I suppose it would be better if suspects had to call the emergency services before they are healed, this has

a number of advantages, mainly being that it will take more time, and constant /healing won't happen. Maybe, we could have a one time only rule,

where a non suspected medic can only treat a suspect once, to prevent healing after healing, which makes the suspect invincible.

Another thing I can suggest, is to disable weapons for medics, as their sole purpose is to serve the public, not kill them. That way,

criminals would have less of an advantage, but I would rather have it like that.


You criminals have a lot of thanks to say to Gvardia and Cems... anyway, today is "JDC is sarcastic" day. No offense to Gvardia and Cems.

About the wanted medics not being able to heal, criminals are once again moaning about cops having advantages... the idea that cops should only have as much advantage as criminals is total bullshit, Cops are a force made to control the criminals, not to combat them in a war where both sides are equal. Cops need to retain some control over the criminals.

Let's put it into a different situation with the same logic for example... think of the community as a Human Being. The cops are the white blood cells who find dangers to the body and expel them, while the criminals are the millions of kinds of germs who invade the body, posing risks both small and big. If the white blood cells were equal in strength to the germs, your body resistance factor will lower to nearly zero and you'll be f**ked!

Get the logic?

Anyways, enough of that Cop-Crim-Advantage discussion before people start moaning and we get "*childish voice* But JDC STARTED IT!" all over the place.



Anyway, think of another situation that would happen if CBF didnt block wanted medics from healing. Three criminal medics would be locked up inside a hospital, shooting cops whenever they go in. Poor cops, it's like a human being with AIDS. No matter how many white blood cells are sent, it is no use.

I do not like a lot of things you said in the above post, JDC, your comparison or analagy of criminals to pathogens is pretty insulting.

Yet again, this is not a real life server, think logically, would you ever see people speeding in real life, maybe on or two cars an hour

but no where near what it is like on Argonath, nobody ever sticks to the speed limits, cop or criminal. For obvious reasons,

the proportion of cops who speed is lower than the criminals who do, nonetheless cops never speed for no reason like they do

ingame, compared to in real life. If you want to think that it is best for cops to completely dominate criminals, then I'm not

stopping you but, we will just have a predicament similar to the time of the release of RS4, when weapon prices went

through the roof, and cops were complaining that they had nothing to do, because people simply wouldnt buy weapons.

I'm sure after reading this, you would rather have something to do, instead of eating doughnuts all day and boring yourself.

I also think the way you picture criminals is slightly hypocritical, as I saw you today at the shootout in the Cems casino,

re-armouring after leaving the casino, although Cems magically knew you were a FBI agent despite you being clothed in beach

wear. In addition Cems were aiming at you towards the door, and Im sure you remember being cornered by the door of the

casino and yes, I've seen it done before too from other FBI, and I will be writing a letter to Fernando about it,

as that is also an unfair advantage.

Ingame none of that logic applies, whatsoever. The two sides should be balanced, otherwise you guys would be out a job as nobody would bother ever being a criminal. Frankly, if there was actually any money and fun to be had in selling Lasagnes (which there isn't :() then I'd do that. However, there is no fun to be had because frankly I'm just typing lots of /me. As a criminal, I'm actually doing something.

Simply, what I am saying. This is a roleplaying game server, not real life, we are encouraged to use creativity.

IRL, no-one can recover to "full HP" after they have been shot within like 2 seconds. It takes more than 2 seconds to remove a bullet from a person's wound, plus takes a lot of concentration too. Let alone that, even as the bullet is removed, it takes at least hours before the person can really recover. Yes, ingame isn't IRL, but at the same time, the game is completely unbalanced by the criminals who just abuse this /heal. So yes, I'm happy that this abuse is going to be removed.

 Also, to those who are moaning about criminals having too much disadvantage, in the game, criminals can now escape by running away and keeping from cops for a long enough time. Why are criminals still moaning about too many disadvantages even though they can escape like this?? In real life, even if criminals get away, the evidence of their treason is still there within the police force, so they could just get him another day. But that doesn't happen ingame. If suspects get away, that's that, even if the evidence of their act is still there. So why keep complaining even after having this advantage?!?!?!

Partly true, and partly not. Would be cool, if medic could only heal upto a max, say 80%, which would depict

that healing does not return a person to their full health, before their illness, as damaged tissues cannot

be regenerated as if we were Doctor Who. Your second paragraph is true to an extent, but cops cannot

also just follow the suspect in a car in a direction that they do not know, because they have LOST him.

They would actually have a briefing, and employ insiders to find out the location of the suspect, and only

go after him, after his exact location has been found, in order to save resources. There is an exception to

what you said being the FBI, who are still cops, but order SAPD members to follow the lost suspect, and I

know this because I have constantly been pulled over by FBI for the 'warrant' that they had to arrest me,

constantly evaded and escaped, and it's like a cycle.

I actually agree with you on some level, as I disagree with criminals sitting in an interior that contains a health pickup.
Nonetheless, I think if criminals can manage to escape to a restaurant, and use it, they should be allowed to. That said, I understand it is hard to tell (script-wise) if somebody is fighting inside the restaurant, or managed to escape there for a short time to refill health.
Perhaps make it so that they have to enter and exit each time they wish to buy something. That way, they would have to walk outside for a moment if they were indeed fighting inside it (where they could be shot).

Maybe, combine this, with the runhowlong system currently in place, such as, when the script recognises that you

are more than a hundred metres away from cops, you will be allowed to buy food. If they are within

the radius of a hundred metres, then the /buy food facility is unavailable for suspects.


And to conclude, please stop making irrelevant ideas. To be honest, I think

it would have been better just to keep sprunk, as it disabled the player doing anything,

and the new system, has not really encouraged medical roleplay,however simply /healing

and /buy food, which is a shame. Thank you.

Violet.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: James_Alterlis on April 15, 2009, 06:41:10 pm
Huh? What?

How about remove all commands except "/me" and "/em"
Since it's "Role Play" Server and not "Real Life" Server

 :poke:

Suspect call medic?
Medic heal suspect while in gunfight?
What?
What?
What?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on April 15, 2009, 07:35:47 pm
It seems that we can only agree on a cop's side of view of rolleplay and what is just on the server, or a criminals.....

OT:

Warning, the above poster exhibits signs of Epic Fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)


There is no sarcasm on the internet.

And James why are saying "huh, what?" to peoples post?..
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: LillMumin on April 15, 2009, 08:11:52 pm
Nice idea

What about while suspect, you cannot enter hospital and restaurant?

Your telling me you was serious about this? O_o
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Eric Wright on April 15, 2009, 08:17:00 pm
it would be better if none could heal and everyone got 1 hp so they die with 1 shot. im serious
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Proxan on April 15, 2009, 08:17:49 pm
it would be better if none could heal and everyone got 1 hp so they die with 1 shot. im serious

That would be fair  :cool:
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: James_Alterlis on April 15, 2009, 09:48:21 pm
How about one Desert Eagle shoot

Well 1 HP is not enough, if u fall of stair u will die lol, what's an epic fail  :banana:

 :cop:
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2009, 03:00:51 pm
Your telling me you was serious about this? O_o

What kind of criminal walks into a hospital in the middle of a chase and says "Doctor, can you treat me for bullet wounds? Oh and hurry the f*ck up because you'lll have cops bashing down the door in a few minutes."

Or

What kind of criminal walks into a fast food restraunt and says " Big Mac and Fries Please. Can you hurry a lil, cops are about to come in shooting at me."
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: LillMumin on April 16, 2009, 03:39:19 pm
What about a criminal that walks into a burgetshot and just buys a burger and walks away.

And on hospitals, you still need a medic..
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2009, 05:22:59 pm
What about a criminal that walks into a burgetshot and just buys a burger and walks away.

And on hospitals, you still need a medic..

1. A burger does not restore health or helps with a bullet injury
2. A doctor in a hospital or a paramedic does not treat anyone for bullet wounds and let then walk away. The police are contacted right away...
   


All of this is non-RP and powergaming....
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Eric Wright on April 16, 2009, 05:30:27 pm
This is a game
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2009, 05:32:23 pm
This is a game

Oh shit! Really? God Damn it!


You don't think we know that?
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Pandalink on April 16, 2009, 05:40:11 pm
Oh shit! Really? God Damn it!


You don't think we know that?

I don't think you got his point :(.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: LillMumin on April 16, 2009, 10:21:31 pm
1. A burger does not restore health or helps with a bullet injury
2. A doctor in a hospital or a paramedic does not treat anyone for bullet wounds and let then walk away. The police are contacted right away...
   


All of this is non-RP and powergaming....

WELCOME TO SAN ANDREAS!! Its a GAAAME.. not reality, THIS IS THE WAY YOU REGAIN HEALTH IN THE GAME.. .... ...
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: Violet on April 16, 2009, 10:52:19 pm
I WILL BE HARSH HERE, BUT YOU GUYS AFTER WHAT YOU REDUCED CBFASI TO, COMPLETELY DESERVE IT.

Why are we never happy with what we have, APPRECIATE what you have.

You guys are not even real criminals, I hardly see any of you as suspect, or doing criminal activities.

And yet, you have the audacity to scream and moan, just because the one time you are suspect, you cannot regain health via suspected medics/food,

EVEN THOUGH you can get health from non suspected medics. If you think being a criminal is unfair, pack up your bags, then register at the local PD (which

a lot of you have already actually done, as you are ARPD Officers) and become cops for the longer time of the cycle. Its really, really annoying, seeing as

the people demoralising the community are RICH.




No, Panda you have 140k + a buffalo + Magni HQ, but comparatively you are richer than a lot of ARPD officers. Compare yourself to me, I go on duty

like once a month, have the most drugs on the server, and was suspect for 2 days constant recently after the FBI case, which now if I lose, will

 lose 400k and 8000 grams of weed with 2500 grams

of heroin.Mumin, if you can splash out a million on a Pheonix, then why can't you buy yourself a 2k armour for the time that you do intend on

 being a criminal, Eric, its pointless talkingto you as you are one of the richest guys on the server - as you said yourself when the suggestion

of removing all cash/invent items for RS4 that you have 10 mil. I get a strange feeling the people who replied didnt even look at what I wrote

 and commented with crap like WHAT HUH?.There are people in the world, and on the server that are generally decent, but at times when they

see that others are doing the same thing, decide to 'have fun' in a maliscous mannerand mock the developers. PLEASE STOP MOANING,

would you ever moan at your parents like that?


Some of you may think, who the f**k are you to say this to us, well I havent been here for years on the SAMP server, but I certainly play

 enough on a regular basis, probably longer than 95% of you, to suggest how we can make this place just that little bit better, despite my

official registration date being 24th November 2008.


For the love of God, stop flaming each other and coming up with nonsense, that will only escalate such matters.

Requesting topic lock to prevent further flaming/ destructive discussion.
Title: Re: Script Abuse and misuse
Post by: CBFasi on April 17, 2009, 11:44:57 am
Topic locked, input has been recieved, the reaction to the abuse was to provide a fix that would definately work until a more detailed script is written, it took 2 lines of script, the new one will take more but point is I had to do something as it had been observed from quite some time back and had to be stopped as it was going to lead to even more complaints and moaning, this time from the side that tends to be quieter.

Yes it may seem I back the cops, cops hoever will point out how I make their life a misery.
Biggest reason is that I am in charge, I am reasponsibile for ALL of them, they screw up its ME that takes the flak so I react, I increased fines, I made it if you an innocent and you get killed by a cop the COP gets fined AND you get your weapons back!!

There are lots of little changes that have not been noticed that actualy make cops work harder....
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