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Title: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Wayne on July 27, 2009, 07:10:34 am
Ah yes, i've decided, thanks to sickness!
This setting is arround 400 Dollars, and arround R$ 1000 (For brazilians)
My new system specs:
Motherboard
(http://i00.twenga.com/p/47/92/364792vb.png)
Motherboard GIGABYTE Q35M-S2
LGA775
Processor
Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.5ghz 45nm wolfdale
(http://store-ocloja.locasite.com.br/loja/images/Pentium%20dual%20core.jpg)
Video Card
XFX HD4850
(http://www.poweron.pt/portal/components/com_phpshop/shop_image/product
/cf96e21e241388322542d8572ec09aac.jpg)
Power Supply
C3 Tech DSA-5060V 600W (Nominal) 500W (Real)
(http://img.mercadolivre.com.br/jm/img?s=MLB&f=90180871_7891.jpg&v=E)
Memory
2GB DDR2 800Mhz PC 6400 Markvision
(http://img.mercadolivre.com.br/jm/img?s=MLB&f=100795361_1390.jpg&v=P)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Fuzzy on July 27, 2009, 09:26:31 am
I think  i do have a better idea..
i'll change that money for a better motherboard and processor.
I'll buy a Kit Amd Dual Core X2 7750 2.70ghz + motherboard + 1gb Ddr2 800mhz
What you think? it's way better?
Yes, its way better, but I do think that you also more memory
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Neave on July 27, 2009, 04:46:24 pm
what is your budget? and what are the peices you want to replace?

AMD x2 2.7GHz, a entry level Motherboard, and just 1 GB of RAM wont do the job so well.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on July 27, 2009, 07:30:49 pm
P5QL PRO
Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 (Can be overclocked to 4Ghz, if Malaysia version)
2-4Gb 800 MHz memory
nVidia GeForce 9800 GT(X(+))

I have:
P5N73-CM
Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 @ 3,75 GHz (Overclocked)
2 Gb 667 MHz memory OverClocked to 800 MHz
nVidia GeForce 9800 GT @ 660/1000 MHz (OverClocked)
And those runs Crysis @ Extreme Quality (Yes, even beyond from Very high) with 60+ FPS

Costs just max ~350€.. And 350W PSU runs them all.. That's cheap and good upgrade..
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: FlameMan on July 28, 2009, 08:42:34 am
Choose ATI Radeon 4850 512mb instead of GeForce 9600.
I bought GeForce 9600GT 1GB Silent-Pipe and I'm tottaly disappointed.
Buy some better CPU to your motherboard and 2GB ram isntead of 1gb, its not big different in costs..
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Fido Dido on July 28, 2009, 08:45:03 am
I bought GeForce 9600GT 1GB Silent-Pipe and I'm tottaly disappointed.
why? :trust:
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on July 28, 2009, 10:40:06 am
why? :trust:
Because it runs out of performance when AA and other sh#t is at max. 9800 GT / HD 4850 (or better) runs every game smoothly.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Jserg on July 28, 2009, 03:24:40 pm
Bought Nvidia Geforce 9800GTX, played games really good

I suggest you to buy a good graphics card..9600Gt isnt that good for new games
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Fido Dido on July 29, 2009, 12:48:36 am
9800 is betteR?
hmm ^^
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Wayne on July 31, 2009, 07:16:52 am
I changed few things, but i'm still accepting sugestion till i order them!
HD4850 > 9800GTX but... 9800GTX+ > HD4850
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on July 31, 2009, 12:48:58 pm
Take Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 instead of AMD 7750...
Get yourself a good mobo, ASUS P5QL PRO (or better) P5Q (PRO)
And I recommend nVidia, as it runs *almost* every game without problems.. ATI Radeon HD 48xx doesn't run every game so smoothly :) There are always few games where something don't work, but nVidia works in newer games better than ATI does.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Wayne on July 31, 2009, 03:48:03 pm
I'm not looking for overclock, i'm looking for stock cores.
48xx doesn't run every game so smoothly :)
Disagreed.
HD4850 beats 9800GTX and it is very closer to 9800GTX+, it's cheaper and good.
ATI Drivers has been updated very recently, there's always new drivers who increase video card peformance.

Also, i have choices between 9800GT for HD4850, but i got a notice that my budget fit a HD4850 so i decided to order it.
Let's compare prices:
HD4850
R$360
Core clock = 625
Stream processors: 800 stream processor units
memory clock: 1986-1990mhz
memory interface: 256 bits
memory type: GDDR3
memory size: 512mb

9800GTX+
R$448
Core clock: 738mhz
Stream processors: 128 stream processor units.
memory clock: 2200mhz
memory interface: 256 bits
memory type: DDR3
memory size: 512mb

As you see, 9800GTX+ looks alot more powerful than HD4850
Almost the same, but the prices are way different.
But in questions about perfomance and ingame.. HD4850 is almost the same as 9800GTX+
(http://anandtech.com/graphs/4830launch_102208132346/17668.png)
hmm, this one 9800GTX+ won HD4850, but, the results weren't bad.

(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/786/crysis16801050.gif)
Just because little FPS 9800GTX+ won


(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2706/chfc21920.png)
smoothly yet.

(http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/731/bioshock.jpg)
not bad results :P

(http://www.planeta-informatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/crysis_01.png)
(http://xbitlabs.com/images/video/radeon-hd4670-crossfirex/crysiswh.png)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Bilbo on July 31, 2009, 06:47:12 pm
8600 = 9600 but with new chipset.
8800 = 9800 but with new chipset.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Wayne on July 31, 2009, 07:11:28 pm
After doing some searchings, i found out E5200 is way better than X2 7750..
so i changed motherboard + processor

Also, i don't have a big ass monitor, so, the max resolution i can play is: 1280x1024

8600 = 9600 but with new chipset.
Not true.
8600GT is slower than 9600GT
there's much difference about 8600GT and 9600GT
but about 8800GT = 9800GT, well, some parts are true.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Juraj_horvath on August 01, 2009, 10:24:23 am
my friend has 9600gt and intel c2d e8500 and runs call of duty 5 on highest with aa. probably its your shitty silent heatpipe edition or something
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Wayne on August 01, 2009, 05:34:45 pm
my friend has 9600gt and intel c2d e8500 and runs call of duty 5 on highest with aa. probably its your shitty silent heatpipe edition or something
His heatpipe edition is from manufacturer Galaxy, it has 64 stream processors, same amount of a common 9600GT
In addiction, heatpipe edition seems to have less shader clock
But, it's the same thing.

It's not possible run CoD 5 with highest and AA with a 9600GT, sorry, you're going to need at least 9800GTX+ or HD4850
It's still possible run CoD 5 on medium or high, depending your processor
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on August 02, 2009, 06:49:13 am
8800 GT = 9800GT but with new chipset. 9800 GT = 9800 GTX but overclocked. 9800 GTX = 9800 GTX+ but with different chipset and overclocked more. 9800 GTX+ = GTS 250 but overclocked.
8600 GT = 9600 GT but with new chipset, which makes it faster than 8600 GT.
8500 GT = 9400 GT but with new chipset, which makes it faster than 8500 GT.
And so on.
My 9800 GT:
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/12/34/66/51/9800gt10.gif)
My E5200:
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/12/34/66/51/proces10.png)

Everygame made so far, and I have not even single FPS problem with them, with any graphics. People over underrates 9800 GT, as it is "expensive" compared to HD 4850? What I've seen in my local shop, 9800 GT is cheaper than HD 4850. Mine PC runs Crysis with Extreme Quality and 1920x1080, 4x AA.
But, if your Ati fanboy, there's nothing that can change it :)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: aan_okeh on August 02, 2009, 01:40:49 pm
I'm using 2.6GHz X2 and x1650 and 2GB memo and 2 monitors 21" never lag all game.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on August 02, 2009, 06:21:27 pm
I'm using 2.6GHz X2 and x1650 and 2GB memo and 2 monitors 21" never lag all game.
2.6GHz X2 doesn't tell anything.
I still recommend nVidia as some games runs better with PhysX and ATi doesn't have it...
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Fuzzy on August 02, 2009, 07:42:58 pm
I still recommend nVidia as some games runs better with PhysX and ATi doesn't have it...
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: aan_okeh on August 03, 2009, 03:11:24 am
I know ati less on it, i was using 8600, but i really can't leave ati :lol: dunno why
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: Kessu on August 03, 2009, 03:42:43 pm
I know ati less on it, i was using 8600, but i really can't leave ati :lol: dunno why
Because you are fanboy of ATi :)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade..
Post by: aan_okeh on August 03, 2009, 04:52:54 pm
Because you are fanboy of ATi :)

Yup, i am amd freak too  :hit:
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