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Title: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Boromir on January 15, 2010, 02:11:38 am
I will make this concise and laconic..
How juvenile is arguing over "we are better" when we all belong to the same freaking community? Quite many members of FBI and SWAT have provoked and flamed one another, failing to attend to this important fact. From now on, any FBI or SWAT members who start arguments over such low-level topics will be punished..
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 15, 2010, 02:27:43 am
I will make this concise and laconic..
How juvenile is arguing over "we are better" when we all belong to the same freaking community? Quite many members of FBI and SWAT have provoked and flamed one another, failing to attend to this important fact. From now on, any FBI or SWAT members who start arguments over such low-level topics will be punished..

Welcome to Argonath.

FBI and SWAT have been told that many times, something needs to be done more. We are on the same side for god sakes.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Driggz on January 15, 2010, 04:23:19 am
Well said Boromir.
ARPD should not battle over who's better and who's more on top. Everyone is equal.
They need to work together to solve crime.
What I see now is just each division get ignored by one another.

Remain tight, like a bond or family and help solve crimes together. Like it used to be.

Stop thinking your on top because you think your more "powerful"
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SafetyMoose on January 15, 2010, 04:38:37 am
As mush as I agree, sadly there will alsways be rivalries no matter what you do, it's just human nature, although the flaming does need to stop. I do however have no problem with a little healthy competition :P
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: ScottKenney on January 15, 2010, 05:04:38 am
Good thing im not SWAT hehe

Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Chase on January 15, 2010, 05:54:22 am
And if any FBI members do get punished for this nonsense arguing - It will result in a immediate demotion or removal from the bureau. Command staff are not here to babysit.. You're supposed take care of yourself, and are responsible for your own actions... Don't expect us to give you a slap on the wrist.


I hope the same can be expected from SWAT.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 15, 2010, 12:51:32 pm
MIB, I have been working towards improvement of relations between FBI and SWAT. Many of SWAT's Members are my friends and I would be more than happy to see fellow Agents doing the same.

CBFasi has already stated that anyone in SAPD contributing to the negativity will be removed from Cop work for a lengthy period, not to mention Chase instituting an Immediate-Demotion / Immediate-Removal statement.

You can count on the FBI Command Staff. I also hope the same for SWAT.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: TheRock on January 15, 2010, 03:23:47 pm
Let's hope some people will make up their minds.... Can't name, Can't Say.. I can only hope for now.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: EminemRulez on January 15, 2010, 04:44:39 pm
Nice, could you remove God mode from them too?
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Boozman on January 15, 2010, 06:14:03 pm
Nice, could you remove God mode from them too?
LOL!

Anyways, FBI has always been that way in IMO.
They would arrive on the scene of a crime, and have this whole "FBI is here, we got it, All cops can go" sort of attitude.
And SWAT is just as bad TBH.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pandalink on January 15, 2010, 06:34:18 pm
Anyways, FBI has always been that way in IMO.
They would arrive on the scene of a crime, and have this whole "FBI is here, we got it, All cops can go" sort of attitude.
And SWAT is just as bad TBH.

Yea, but the difference is that most of the time the FBI are not called for or wanted by the on scene police force.
The SWAT are called in to kick ass, essentially, and as a result can kinda take that attitude.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Cero on January 15, 2010, 06:54:49 pm
SWAT R BETTUR, TEH FASTUR U GUZY GET DAT, DA FASTAH WI CAN BE FRINDS, KK?




















I hope no one took that seriously lol.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 15, 2010, 08:37:03 pm
Thank you Panda for your constant bullying, this is the last time you do so, no matter your opinion on the topic, if you dislike FBI, then, they are happy but for me it`s just another report about bullying and it`s getting to waste my time by now. So you stop it.

As for the rest, many times in the past such situation came back from both sides, CBF can tell you all, I can tell you all, we had alot of post exchanges regarding this issue.

Now if FBI and SWAT are unable to act like grown up people, they will have to face administration.

End of the line.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pandalink on January 15, 2010, 09:09:41 pm
Thank you Panda for your constant bullying,

I don't know why you said that in this topic, I haven't said anything bad..
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 15, 2010, 10:28:00 pm
Yea, but the difference is that most of the time the FBI are not called for or wanted by the on scene police force.
The SWAT are called in to kick ass, essentially, and as a result can kinda take that attitude.


o jeeezus, her' we go gen'
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Void on January 15, 2010, 10:53:08 pm
This topic is not intended for "ohaidar let this situation escalate so we can all flame the work of SWAT and FBI"

You need rational ideas/thoughts....not remonstration
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pandalink on January 15, 2010, 11:06:29 pm
Now really, the FBI do not need to start an argument here - it is not necessary.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SugarD on January 16, 2010, 03:51:29 am
I will make this concise and laconic..
How juvenile is arguing over "we are better" when we all belong to the same freaking community? Quite many members of FBI and SWAT have provoked and flamed one another, failing to attend to this important fact. From now on, any FBI or SWAT members who start arguments over such low-level topics will be punished..
Thank you Panda for your constant bullying, this is the last time you do so, no matter your opinion on the topic, if you dislike FBI, then, they are happy but for me it`s just another report about bullying and it`s getting to waste my time by now. So you stop it.

As for the rest, many times in the past such situation came back from both sides, CBF can tell you all, I can tell you all, we had alot of post exchanges regarding this issue.

Now if FBI and SWAT are unable to act like grown up people, they will have to face administration.

End of the line.

Agreed on both. +1 to both of you!
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Vince on January 16, 2010, 04:50:51 am
Panda has a point.. It may not retain to every member but he has a point.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 16, 2010, 05:41:04 am
I have no problems with you as a player, but I am sick of your moaning. Other than that, you still have my respect for everything else. Why can't you just make a constructive suggestion for FBI rather than negative criticism for once, and you and I would get along A LOT better.

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Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SugarD on January 16, 2010, 05:58:00 am
How about one day in the server where FBI and SWAT switch roles? Just one day. Then they could see each other from the other's point of view. It may end up opening their eyes up and creating change...
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 16, 2010, 06:05:44 am
How about one day in the server where FBI and SWAT switch roles? Just one day. Then they could see each other from the other's point of view. It may end up opening their eyes up and creating change...

That is a good idea. Let's?
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: smey on January 16, 2010, 06:44:52 am
Looking at your sig .. I don't think thats a good idea JDC :D

FBI: Try to fix things
SWAT: Clean the mess if it failed
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 16, 2010, 09:51:43 am

Seriously Panda, your statements "FBI has God Mode",
Fail. He didn't say that. Or you see every Anti-FBI moaner as Panda?
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SargentJosh on January 16, 2010, 11:51:55 am
The idea of switching roles is not a good idea. FBI has national security for Argonath and to be honest. I see alot of SWAT suspected on the server.

Now then. Panda, if you could stop your constant moaning about FBI, much apprectiated. Your view against FBI is widely known among the server now.

And for all other people who have a problem with FBI, take it up at our Forum (http://www.fbi.argonathrpg.com/forum)

And for all the people who have a problem with SWAT, take it up with CBF, Vince, James_Hunter.

Requesting topic lock before this turns into a flame war. I can see it happening.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Oliver on January 16, 2010, 12:53:05 pm
How about one day in the server where FBI and SWAT switch roles? Just one day. Then they could see each other from the other's point of view. It may end up opening their eyes up and creating change...

To be effective as SWAT you need countless training sessions to JAM all the tactics in your head so the field commander doesn't individually have to tell everyone what to do. It's easier to 'Alpha team, defensive positions on the right. Bravo team, defensive positions in the center/left. Charlie team, cover our rear.' When people hear the command 'defensive positions' they know what to do, how to do it efficiently and quickly so it doesn't look like a clusterfuck.

In two-three weeks the SWAT team has only suffered ONE casualty and that was because of a retarded operative who ran out of cover 'OOH SHINY LALALALA *boom*'

Then again, to be a good FBI agent you need to MEMORIZE countless procedures, rules etc.

If either side was switched around then it would utterly fail.

Post Merge: January 16, 2010, 12:57:14 pm

And for all the people who have a problem with SWAT, take it up with Vince

WHY VINCE? Vince is just the comic relief guy in SWAT (who happens to kick ass while doing it), he doesn't lead.

If you have a problem with SWAT then take it up with CBF since he's the chief of SWAT.. James is just the field commander who is responsible for SWAT's performance on the field.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: EminemRulez on January 16, 2010, 01:03:49 pm
Don't take this as provoking, but shouldn't FBI and SWAT work togheter?You know, you both are officers, from the SAPD... Imagine IRL cops fighting eachother and criminals watching, I'd laugh at that  :lol:

It's ridiculous Police arguing with police, get a f***ing police car and go get some criminals, you know, have fun?
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SargentJosh on January 16, 2010, 01:57:20 pm
Don't take this as provoking, but shouldn't FBI and SWAT work togheter?You know, you both are officers, from the SAPD... Imagine IRL cops fighting eachother and criminals watching, I'd laugh at that  :lol:

It's ridiculous Police arguing with police, get a f***ing police car and go get some criminals, you know, have fun?

Yes, but I know Vince gets shit done in a good amount of time.

Also, FBI isn't police. We are a Law Authority, same as Police, Police is also a Law Authority.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pandalink on January 16, 2010, 03:37:50 pm
I find it sad that despite my attempt to post a constructive input to this topic, JDC felt the need to start another argument.
Luckily, I won't lower myself to that level.

Nonetheless, I will reiterate a fact, and that is the FBI was made by individuals, and it is still run by those individuals. The effect of this is up for discussion of course, but you cannot argue that it is a private group, unlike the SAPD which is an entity no longer run by its creators.

This is my personal opinion, in a nutshell and without all the hatin':

Even with the best intentions, self interest will show up in a group that you made and want to see succeed.
I have absolute faith in my members, and it takes a godly amount of proof and screenshot, chatlog, and witness evidence to make me actually kick someone for doing something bad that I did not witness.

I do not personally think the FBI any different to a criminal group, in terms of structure.
They are merely on the "other side" as it were.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: rJCaiG on January 16, 2010, 03:38:23 pm
I hold a lot of respect for FBI and I always try to be fair and neutral in relations with them....If only my comrades would decide to improve things. It's more fun and much easier to get along then to oppose and be hateful.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Vince on January 16, 2010, 04:18:32 pm


And for all the people who have a problem with SWAT, take it up with CBF, Vince, James_Hunter.

Yes, but I know Vince gets shit done in a good amount of time.


 :cool: 'cause I'm cool like dat, Daniels. Sometimes James is busy doing youknowwhat and cb has a life.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 17, 2010, 12:13:04 am
I've been warned for starting an argument- proof that the FBI Command is not playing around with this. I'll keep my statements in moderation next time, but their points will remain the same.



Fail. He didn't say that. Or you see every Anti-FBI moaner as Panda?

Panda never said "FBI has God Mode"... it was a typo mistake I made by accident. I was in a hurry when making that post so some things got compressed.

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Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 17, 2010, 03:35:26 am
Erm.

I experienced this whilst In FBI, but from my side, I saw nothing wrong, FBI relations were improving, people were being much nicer , and vice versa.

Suddenly in my last days of FBI, I had realized the happy spell wouldn't last, some would know why, some would dream on, and some would criticize the FBI to say it's down to them.

I think some SWAT are jealous of the lack of Dark BLUE color names, feeling unappreciated after building this so called Top Kop  heroic reputation on the server, having to be regarded as "normal cops", if that's the case, then they should take it up with there boss, also, if you see on the thread intially made about the color change, you could see some of those who did not agree with it happened to be SWAT , that was before CBF ruled out Dark Blue for SWAT (whilst in there suits).
It didn't mind me much although I miss my lighter blue name :) .

Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Driggz on January 17, 2010, 03:48:03 am
Yea I think SWAT can care less about the color of the name....
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SugarD on January 17, 2010, 09:03:10 am
If either side was switched around then it would utterly fail.
You of all people should know that something like that wouldn't matter. To put each other in one another's shoes, just for one day, would show them the world from the other's eyes. You've seen all sides of the law enforcement and criminal worlds. You know that best Oliver...
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Fabio on January 17, 2010, 10:52:34 am
What is this exact "god-mode" that SWAT and FBI recieve on SA:MP?
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Fido Dido on January 17, 2010, 01:37:27 pm
I don't know why you said that in this topic, I haven't said anything bad..
We all know that you hate FBI,
You said it Ingame
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 17, 2010, 01:42:45 pm
We all know that you hate FBI,
You said it Ingame
So? You also hate criminals. Maybe you've not said that, but it's obvious.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SugarD on January 18, 2010, 06:38:05 am
Quit the off-topic arguing.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Fido Dido on January 18, 2010, 09:55:34 am
So? You also hate criminals. Maybe you've not said that, but it's obvious.
No i don't, because i'm a criminal now :D
And i respect all kinds of roleplay
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: CBFasi on January 18, 2010, 12:48:46 pm
I will make this concise and laconic..
How juvenile is arguing over "we are better" when we all belong to the same freaking community? Quite many members of FBI and SWAT have provoked and flamed one another, failing to attend to this important fact. From now on, any FBI or SWAT members who start arguments over such low-level topics will be punished..

SWAT Chief agrees.

I will be keeping in contact to help resolve this re-occuring problem
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SugarD on January 18, 2010, 10:39:38 pm
No i don't, because i'm a criminal now :D
And i respect all kinds of roleplay
Quit the off-topic arguing.

SWAT Chief agrees.

I will be keeping in contact to help resolve this re-occuring problem
Good. :cop:
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Boxy on January 19, 2010, 01:26:51 am
SWAT is kooler lolololololol they got masks lololololol and they be like yo man lets bust these crims till they like shit their pants GNARLY lolololol
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Brad. on January 19, 2010, 02:04:25 am
I find it brilliant that you all call panda an anti-FBI dickhead.

But the FBI arent rping an FBI, they are roleplaying something completely different, something of their own design.  I personally dont think they should use the name FBI.

The FBI are only supposed to appear for high order things - kidnapping, major robberies or a threat on the life of a high ranking government official, and usually only afterwards to investigate it.

Surely what you are rollplaying is the FBTSSOPAATWMULH

federal bureau of traffic stops, shooting orange people and anything that make us look hardcore

Cause your guys are boss.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 19, 2010, 03:16:06 am
If the situation is not managed with up most discipline and in a swift manor and is maintained, this can set it off again:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35225.60 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35225.60)

I am not looking to boycott the idea, just highlighting my dire concerns with the matter at hand.  :bye:
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 19, 2010, 11:24:38 am
If the situation is not managed with up most discipline and in a swift manor and is maintained, this can set it off again:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35225.60 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35225.60)

I am not looking to boycott the idea, just highlighting my dire concerns with the matter at hand.  :bye:

VC:MP FBI has already been integrated into our Forums.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: VeLuX on January 19, 2010, 01:23:27 pm
What is this exact "god-mode" that SWAT and FBI recieve on SA:MP?

i think they mean /equipweapon as a kind of Good mod.. i have seen at least 1 FBI abuse his rights to get over 1k smg and why that?? becourse of that command
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 19, 2010, 02:06:11 pm
i think they mean /equipweapon as a kind of Good mod.. i have seen at least 1 FBI abuse his rights to get over 1k smg and why that?? becourse of that command

Thats not abuse, how would you know how much smg they equip? They use the weapons wisley, if you get proof visit FBI.argonathrpg.com  and report , until then, with all respects, don't whine. 
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Oliver on January 19, 2010, 06:35:05 pm
I think some SWAT are jealous of the lack of Dark BLUE color names, feeling unappreciated after building this so called Top Kop  heroic reputation on the server, having to be regarded as "normal cops", if that's the case, then they should take it up with there boss, also, if you see on the thread intially made about the color change, you could see some of those who did not agree with it happened to be SWAT , that was before CBF ruled out Dark Blue for SWAT (whilst in there suits).

How about you shussh when you don't know about something?

Post Merge: January 19, 2010, 06:41:28 pm
i think they mean /equipweapon as a kind of Good mod.. i have seen at least 1 FBI abuse his rights to get over 1k smg and why that?? becourse of that command

1. It's /weaponequip
2. I can honestly say that SWAT only equips weapons with the intent to use them in a situation (3 clips of M4 during a code purple, 4-5 clips of SMG during training, 1 clip of sniper for recon, whatever the hell you want when the odds are 1:5 after a failed 207)
3. The FBI have strict regulations regarding /weaponequip. I think a guy even got fired from the FBI for equipping himself with a combat shotgun.

Post Merge: January 19, 2010, 06:42:33 pm
Thats not abuse, how would you know how much smg they equip? They use the weapons wisley, if you get proof visit FBI.argonathrpg.com  and report , until then, with all respects, don't whine.

It's really hard to get proof of someone abusing /weaponequip unless you can have a logcheck made.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: SargentJosh on January 19, 2010, 07:20:23 pm
LITE was fired from FBI for equipping an un-authorised weapon. Plus he spammed the command. And to those who think about abusing /weaponequip i suggest you don't because its all logged and Jaaskaa checks it all the time (as he once said)
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Xander on January 19, 2010, 10:52:39 pm
I find it brilliant that you all call panda an anti-FBI dickhead.

But the FBI arent rping an FBI, they are roleplaying something completely different, something of their own design.  I personally dont think they should use the name FBI.

The FBI are only supposed to appear for high order things - kidnapping, major robberies or a threat on the life of a high ranking government official, and usually only afterwards to investigate it.

Surely what you are rollplaying is the FBTSSOPAATWMULH

federal bureau of traffic stops, shooting orange people and anything that make us look hardcore

Cause your guys are boss.

Actually ive seen a couple FBI roleplay decent roles. I personally think they are decent at it and if i had a chance(Which ive been told i don't and i understand that :P) i would choose FBI over SWAT. I have had good and bad instances with both. This dispute is pointless though as stated previously it is rather immature and your both on the same side.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 20, 2010, 11:23:15 am
i think they mean /equipweapon as a kind of Good mod.. i have seen at least 1 FBI abuse his rights to get over 1k smg and why that?? becourse of that command

You and your anti-FBI conspiracy theories, how do you even know we are abusing the Command? You do not know our regulations, you do not know how much we are equipping, and you do not know a shitload of other things. Get the facts straight before opening your mouth.



3. The FBI have strict regulations regarding /weaponequip. I think a guy even got fired from the FBI for equipping himself with a combat shotgun.

Post Merge: January 19, 2010, 06:42:33 pm
It's really hard to get proof of someone abusing /weaponequip unless you can have a logcheck made.

True. Lite really was fired from FBI once for abusing the Command.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Brad. on January 20, 2010, 06:44:50 pm
So wait, 1 combat bullet gets you banned, but iv seen FBI run snipers like m4s constantly shooting.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Boromir on January 20, 2010, 09:35:06 pm
Continue the arguments "You abuse commands" if you want to suffer the consequences.. I already bothered to warn you by writing this post..
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pazienza on January 20, 2010, 10:37:22 pm
SWAT and FBI can cooperate until some hothead tries to shit on the other side.

We don't shirk SWAT, nay we try to approach them and help when they need it. Actually most of the times I tried to help I just received answers like "You are an Agent, not one of us, leave." when I was instead just asking some more info on the situation.
I don't have any clue how to solve this situation from both sides.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Boromir on January 21, 2010, 12:02:14 am
What is Rping for you?
Do FBI and SWAT members fight each other in RL?
No, they actually do exactly the opposite things; they cooperate to bring out the best results when they endeavor to solve problems.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Pandalink on January 21, 2010, 12:34:44 am
Professionally, perhaps, but perhaps even the real life police forces may hold disdain for "the feds". ;)
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: JDC on January 21, 2010, 09:55:46 am
Professionally, perhaps, but perhaps even the real life police forces may hold disdain for "the feds". ;)

That's actually true, but not to the point where open strife breaks out. If it does, then the Feds simply warn the local police department, and the latter keeps silent.

This is not IRL though, so we can be more cooperative than our real life counterparts.

So wait, 1 combat bullet gets you banned, but iv seen FBI run snipers like m4s constantly shooting.

You do not know our regulations so you do not have any right to complain about what you just complained.

Feds hold guns and have access to heavy weaponry, get used to it.
Title: Re: FBI and SWAT
Post by: Oliver on January 21, 2010, 05:54:24 pm
So wait, 1 combat bullet gets you banned, but iv seen FBI run snipers like m4s constantly shooting.

You probably see feds with country rifles since they're only allowed to equip sniper rifles if they've passed a special sharpshooting training.
They're allowed to equip combats/m4s when the suspects are heavily armed and their life is in direct danger.
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