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Title: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 04:35:42 pm
Guide to Roleplay in Argonath,
by Thrarod
It's my first guide and I find it helpful for new players to Argonath, it's not a general guide for RP, only in Argo. It contains How to roleplay, How to earn money with roleplay and How to have fun with roleplaying topics.
Index

Chapter 1 : How to Roleplay
Chapter 2 : Using /me
Chapter 3 : Terms of Roleplaying
Chapter 4 : Having fun
Chapter 5 : Earning money
Afterwords : Things I want to add

Chapter 1 : How to Roleplay

Roleplaying, in roleplaying you become an another person different or same of yours. It's a really big topic so I'm going to show you the basics only. The guide starts here and read carefully. Roleplaying in Argonath is different than others, playing D&D or WoW won't give the same experience because it is based real life. When you create a character and want to roleplay like a veteran first write your character's story before coming to Los Santos. After you write never forget the story or save the paper because you will roleplay using the story, you can't say my father is in New York now with your story saying "My father died when I was 9 in a gang war by a mistake shot bullet." . Most people doesn't write a story but you will see that most clans/gangs wants you to write your ingame story to apply. In roleplay you don't need scripts that limits you but you have to roleplay without crushing the rules.

Chapter 2 : Using /me

If you played in a roleplay server before you should know /me, if you don't let me explain. The /me command is your gate to roleplay, you won't be limited by scripts with this command. Look at this example, when you use /me command your text will show like this, command you use is lets say /me takes a can of soda out of his pocket and starts to drink it , it will show like *Chris_Redford (I used my name here) takes a can of soda out of his pocket and starts to drink it , but don't write /me drinks soda, it's not that veteran style roleplay. You don't spawn a soda can to your hand IRL, you buy it or take it out from somewhere to drink it. The /me command will help you to get money too, going to explain in the following chapters.

Chapter 3 : Terms of Roleplaying

The terms, you don't have to learn all so I'm going to show the ones you must learn. First ones are IC, OOC and RP; I think you got RP so lets find out what IC and OOC are... IC is in character which is roleplaying but OOC is out of character so it's the thing IRL. They are commonly used as chat terms.

Next ones are Metagaming and Powergaming; those are important too, metagaming is using OOC terms IC like when you see someone's name on the screen and calling him/her with the name shown, like "Chris_Redford : Hi Mike!", you can't say this if you never asked his name before, you should first ask his/her name. This is the most common mistake so I show it only, you will see more IG I think :D

The last ones are Deathmatching and Revengekilling; I don't think I should tell those because I think you can get the meaning from their names ;)

Chapter 4 : Having fun

It's very easy if you don't RP for money, RP for fun, friendship and peace! (Hippy? :D) I just joked, you won't see much peace because it's a city o' crime, huh? People try to gaing loads of money with scamming which is not allowed. Just wait for paydays which are rare so read next chapter!

Chapter 5 : Earning money

I think it's the chapter you want to read most and even you just scrolled when you saw the name in the start of the topic, if you did so please read the chapter above this.

Earning money, money is the king so you want to learn how, this chapter will reveal the secrets of earning money! Dut duruu dutututu duru tuuut! Yeah back to the topic, I can't list all jobs you can be so I'm going to give ideas because the jobs you can be are infinite, you can even be a hobo! The jobs that common and give money are mechanic, drug dealer, street shop and hitman. You can search if you want to find more info about the jobs. The mechanic is an easy job bringing money, you can check tires, patch them, check engine, fix a broken bolt etc. and all by /me, drug dealer is very common, you grow weed, find people to deal and get money, people doesn't roleplay it but you can! Street shop, those people sell shampoos, jewelery, cigs, food, drinks etc. it's a job that makes you very creative. And hitman, have you ever saw those contracts on OOC chat? Those are the aim of your job, to get them you can stay with /hit command in your chatbox :D when a contract comes fastly write the id and press enter, don't forget to put a space after /hit ;)

Afterwords

I hope this post helps new people and get stickied :D, I wasted 37 mins on this because I want Argo to be a better server. I think you enjoyed all this shit :rofl: and read my post about Argonath's problem.

Thanks,

Chris Redford (IG)










Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Julian on March 04, 2010, 04:41:22 pm
Good guide, well done.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 04:46:47 pm
[Fixed] Extra BBCodes
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Frank_Hawk on March 04, 2010, 04:48:28 pm
Interesting, thanks for contributing.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 04:50:25 pm
You teached me how to RP, I roleplayed alot with i9
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: JayL on March 04, 2010, 05:02:30 pm
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Chapter 3 : Terms of Roleplaying

The terms, you don't have to learn all so I'm going to show the ones you must learn. First ones are IC, OOC and RP; I think you got RP so lets find out what IC and OOC are... IC is in character which is roleplaying but OOC is out of character so it's the thing IRL. They are commonly used as chat terms.

Next ones are Metagaming and Powergaming; those are important too, metagaming is using OOC terms IC like when you see someone's name on the screen and calling him/her with the name shown, like "Chris_Redford : Hi Mike!", you can't say this if you never asked his name before, you should first ask his/her name. This is the most common mistake so I show it only, you will see more IG I think :D

The last ones are Deathmatching and Revengekilling; I don't think I should tell those because I think you can get the meaning from their names ;)

Enough to say that this makes the guide go totally out of the real Argonath way of roleplaying...
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 05:04:11 pm
Hehe, I want this to get stickied, please reply if you want it to :D
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on March 04, 2010, 05:04:44 pm
I don't like this guide, for a number of reasons:

- It's not concentrated on teaching how to role-play in general; it shows how to play in YOUR style.
- The title is how to role-play on Argonath, while you're teaching all the foreign rules (ic/ooc, --gaming, ...) which are not supported.
- The /me example is a bit too complicated for a guide for totally new players.
- You keep using terms "expert", "professional". Only "professional" role-player would be a hired actor (in REAL life, not a role-played actor).
- Having a character story is completely unnecessary. It doesn't enhance role-play [read: action] in any way, it only extends your character you're playing.
- More, your guide suggests playing only one role. On Argonath you can play as many roles as you like, you can switch between them whenever you want.
- This guide in overall teaches what to do (exact actions), but little purpose why to do it.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: JayL on March 04, 2010, 05:10:15 pm
Hehe, I want this to get stickied, please reply if you want it to :D

Excuse me but, is that how you are going to answer to constructive critics / the actual facts?
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 05:14:49 pm
Answer to 9r2e5i3k;

-The roleplaying is a style that differs person to person, and I think it's really general after wasting my 11 years with roleplaying games.
-You can change whenever you like but it's for a newcomer not a veteran.
-You can change your name too if you like.
-And roleplaying in Argonath includes all these terms too, I can't know if the reader played another server before.
-The roleplaying everyone talking about is game roleplaying.
-The /me command is the heart of the game, that's why it is too complicated.
-Having a character story is important for gangs/clans as it says in the guide, better to have it.

Answer to JayL;

I just want to reply if they want or not with reasons.


 
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: JayL on March 04, 2010, 05:18:32 pm
Title of the topic:

[Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...

Implying that your style is supposedly the correct way of RPing in Argonath, and no other style will be fun.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 05:22:53 pm
I think 9r2e5i3k didn't understand the way...
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on March 04, 2010, 05:35:01 pm
-The roleplaying is a style that differs person to person, and I think it's really general after wasting my 11 years with roleplaying games.
It's definitely not a general guide. It's very subjective and it contains a lot of rules not official to Argonath. And stating that you've "wasted" 11 years on role-playing games does not mean you're a good role-player by the Argonath style.

-You can change whenever you like but it's for a newcomer not a veteran.
-You can change your name too if you like.
You're implying that players cannot change characters?

You CAN change characters on Argonath (and their names), but it should be marked that the in-game nick is not equal to the played character's name.

-And roleplaying in Argonath includes all these terms too, I can't know if the reader played another server before.
wRONg. These terms were "imported" by players that haven't got used to Argonath's style that differs from other RP servers.
Those terms are not supported on Argonath, and you should definitely not teach them if your guide is meant to teach the Argonath style.

-The roleplaying everyone talking about is game roleplaying.
"Professional" playing is playing for money. Playing Argonath is non-profit. You shouldn't use the term "professional roleplayer". Try using "veteran" or "old player" instead.

-The /me command is the heart of the game, that's why it is too complicated.
It's a simple text command. And your definition of it isn't really good...
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Frank_Hawk on March 04, 2010, 05:38:44 pm
Tharod, if Inferno 9 [i9] taught you about roleplay, we would have explained that IC and OOC are not supported universally throughout Argonath. Whilst you have every right to post a RP self-help guide, it will not be approved unless you have the consent of the Argonath leaders. If you wish to get it approved, contact a SA:MP leader through the Argonath website. Good luck.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 05:40:24 pm
To 9r2e5i3k;
-Ok I can change professional
-'Ill renew the topic a bit, its 3 am there
-It is Argonath style
-I've been on Argonath for 1 year or more
To Frank_Hawk;
Thanks, and it's a self guide really and as I said to 9r2e5i3k it's late and I can edit it
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on March 04, 2010, 05:42:44 pm
Then if it's a self guide, you mind removing/changing "Roleplaying in Argonath" to maybe "Thrarod's style of Role-playing" or "Thrarod's RP guide"?

It's not Argonath style. At least not the style Argonath originated from.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Thrarod on March 04, 2010, 05:45:13 pm
Ok... Just PM your ideas and stop spamming my topic
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Malcolm on March 04, 2010, 05:45:26 pm
The fact that there is a guide is what troubles me.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Grovyle on March 04, 2010, 06:06:05 pm
To 9r2e5i3k;
-I've been on Argonath for 1 year or more

That doesn't matter. Grzesiek has been here ever since like what, a couple of months after Argonath MTA:VC opened.
Before you claim that you are better than me (and Grzesiek) due to activity, re-consider it... cuz I've been here like 2 years and half :3

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Most people doesn't write a story but you will see that most clans/gangs wants you to write your ingame story to apply. In roleplay you don't need scripts that limits you but you have to roleplay without crushing the rules.
I actually support stories. People sometimes should reveal some sort of backstories of their character, makes RP much more intersting when it comes to something about the char's past.
I made something very similiar in RS2.

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*Chris_Redford (I used my name here) takes a can of soda out of his pocket and starts to drink it , but don't write /me drinks soda, it's not that professional roleplay. You don't spawn a soda can to your hand IRL, you buy it or take it out from somewhere to drink it. The /me command will help you to get money too, going to explain in the following chapters.
How many times I've got donuts, beers, cocktails, laptops, or something out of THIN AIR (what? It's Argonath). This all "text everything you do, and must be realistic!!!" is bullocks.
Yeah RPing about pockets or bags or other stuff is quite intersting (and I do it too), I just like to spawn stuff that you roleplay with /me (remember that spawning cars and spawning weapons and other game stuff is not allowed). :lol:
BTW, this isn't Real Life RPG.

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The terms, you don't have to learn all so I'm going to show the ones you must learn. First ones are IC, OOC and RP; I think you got RP so lets find out what IC and OOC are... IC is in character which is roleplaying but OOC is out of character so it's the thing IRL. They are commonly used as chat terms.

Next ones are Metagaming and Powergaming; those are important too, metagaming is using OOC terms IC like when you see someone's name on the screen and calling him/her with the name shown, like "Chris_Redford : Hi Mike!", you can't say this if you never asked his name before, you should first ask his/her name. This is the most common mistake so I show it only, you will see more IG I think :D
No. <refuses to get a valid reason, it's too obvious, and it has been discussed and still being countless of thousands of annoying times>

And the earning money part... meh

Ok... Just PM your ideas and stop spamming my topic

Hypocrisy?
1. You are trying to forbid someone to speak their opinion.
2. You made two topics in SA:MP General about pretty much the same thing... Why not include your other topic with the guide itself?
3. Are you trying to say that Grzesiek is an inferior RPer comparing to you, and that he should PM his ideas to your PM inbox so people can't agree/disagree with him or make his opinion confidential? Is this some kind of dictatorship?
4. Considering his status, influence, respect and friendship with other players, I don't think that you can make him obey you.

*END RAGE*
Oh it feels nice.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Proxan on March 04, 2010, 06:07:03 pm
I don't like this guide, for a number of reasons:

- It's not concentrated on teaching how to role-play in general; it shows how to play in YOUR style.

Fully agree.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Pandalink on March 04, 2010, 06:15:27 pm
This is not the way to roleplay in Argonath, and in my opinion is also not the way to have fun.

Please change the title accordingly. D:
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Zaila on March 05, 2010, 01:19:31 pm
I wasted 37 mins on this because I want Argo to be a better server

Then you wasted 37 minutes of your life when you could have been ingame and showing everyone what a "expert roleplayer" you are. It's people like you that tryes to force the IC / OCC rules on the server when the developers have said it's not gonna happend. And to be honest, those rules are completly bullshit.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Pablo on March 05, 2010, 02:48:44 pm
It's all up to people, not developers. People chose what they want to RP and HOW

Good job Tharod!
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: ElMartu on March 05, 2010, 02:55:23 pm
You're so gonna get killed because of the 3rd part
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: JDC on March 05, 2010, 04:53:33 pm
It's all up to people, not developers. People chose what they want to RP and HOW

Good job Tharod!

So you are obviously condoning or even supporting what has caused such an uproar, including anger on the Owners' part. If you support the spread in Argonath, of things that have no place here, you are better off somewhere else, or at least remaining silent.



Conclusion: This is not a guide on how to RP in Argonath, this is a guide on how to RP anywhere else, except here.

Then you wasted 37 minutes of your life when you could have been ingame and showing everyone what a "expert roleplayer" you are. It's people like you that tryes to force the IC / OCC rules on the server when the developers have said it's not gonna happend. And to be honest, those rules are completly bullshit.

This is not the way to roleplay in Argonath, and in my opinion is also not the way to have fun.

Please change the title accordingly. D:

Then if it's a self guide, you mind removing/changing "Roleplaying in Argonath" to maybe "Thrarod's style of Role-playing" or "Thrarod's RP guide"?

It's not Argonath style. At least not the style Argonath originated from.

That should be more than enough to convey the idea.

Requesting a topic lock / move / deletion / title change!
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Pablo on March 05, 2010, 05:48:56 pm
I don't like other servers, they are not as welcome as Argonath, and not such with good atmosphere like here.

Also, i cba running all time on LS** server with no car. Add to that, that Argonath scripts are created from scratch, not like other servers, from shitty GodFather edit.
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Que on March 05, 2010, 06:43:08 pm
Tharod, who are you and why are you trying to make Argonath to a strict roleplay server when you already got the answer?
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: Grovyle on March 05, 2010, 06:54:22 pm
Tharod, who are you......

He posted the mystery bus topic, applied for Gvardia, and did some more posts.
He didn't seem like a strict RPer guy back then :v
Title: Re: [Guide] Roleplaying in Argonath, The way to have Fun...
Post by: JDC on March 06, 2010, 03:36:31 am
People who try to spread the Strict-RP ideology here are better off somewhere else.

Once again, please change the topic title to an appropriate one!
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