Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Lorenzo. on March 29, 2010, 06:25:06 pm
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Hey guys,
I have a question,
Can somone explane me what powergaming and metagaming is?
I'm not so good at english so please don't use some really strange words;)
Regards,
Freek
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Huh, what is metagaming and powergaming?? :trust:
Nah, joke. I know what it is, but Argonath doesn't recognise metagaming and powergaming. So, you don't even need to definition of it. ;)
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I need to know it because i wanna join a Crime Family but they won't let me in if i don't know what is is:S
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Then they aren't worth joining.
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Metagaming: Using OOC information, IC. So if you say someones name without meeting them and finding it out first.
Powergaming: Using powers that your character clearly does not have. So, /me uses his cock blaster to kill Bob. It's also if you control how someone reacts, /me hits Bob in the face, knocking him out. Should be, /me attempts to knock Bob out.
IC = In Character
OOC = Out of Character
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Metagaming is the usage of outgame and/or non roleplay related information to affect your roleplay descissions. Using main chat is such an "outgame" source. Or when you decide not to deal drugs with someone because you know that person is an undercover cop. Only because you see his name above his head.
Powergaming is pretending that your roleplay character can use all available items/strengths given by the game/enviroment. Like you are still walking with only 3 hp of health. Then you are using "strengths" given by the game to go above the "reallity" of the roleplay.
But.. This:
Then they aren't worth joining.
If you want a good roleplay, then you need to use atleast a bit of these terms (in my opinion, just to extend the roleplay), but not to much. We are Argonath, not a real life roleplay server.
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IC and OOC are employed by a range of players in Argonath SA:MP. Whilst they are not officially or traditionally supported, you are permitted to practise them as long as you agree not to enforce others to do the same.
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I suppose basic concepts of powergaming are encompassed by the "no forced RP" rule, although it should be noticed that this rule doesn't seem to apply to cops.
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Another thing is that,
If you're playing by these roleplay terms, the roleplay you create involved with it will get more interesting.
Building on Marty's reply, instead of just taking control over other's actions you let them do it. Then they can give you a reason aswell why they didnt got knocked out for an example. But it's rarely used in Argonath since this is not a strict roleplay server.
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IC and OOC are employed by a range of players in Argonath SA:MP. Whilst they are not officially or traditionally supported, you are permitted to practise them as long as you agree not to enforce others to do the same.
^^ What Frank said. Do it around your friends who wish to do it as well, but don't try to enforce others to do it. And most importantly, don't moan when someone does not follow by it. My suggestion for that would be to simply forget the OOC / IC rules while roleplaying with the people who don't prefer to use it. So respect their personal preference..
I honestly don't go by it much. Because I think those rules are getting old, especially since they originated on the first Godfather server. But that's just me. Different people prefer to stick with old things. I personally prefer to stick with up-to-date things.
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As Pandalink said, powergaming is kinda like the "no forced rp" rule. There's a lot of groups who have choosen to use these terms because of rules they're used to on other servers etc, but they're not supported by Argonath itself.
In my opinion, if you roleplay and use your brain, these terms are easy to understand, as you face them several times a day.
"Hey Marc!" (metagaming) when you don't know him for example is for me.. pretty wierd, and kinda lame.
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METAGAMING: Using outside knowledge, OOC chat (such as the public chat), or even actions shown in the chat to your advantage against the other player. For example, you're behind a wall.
*Bob thinks: wow this guy is gay
*Billy says: HEY IM NOT A FAG.
Billy has just performed metagaming.
POWERGAMING: Forcing an action over another player without their consent. Example:
*Billy kills Bob instantly in the brain, ripping his skull out
*Bob dodges, as Billy is right in front of my face and is fat, so he obviously moves slow and I'll see it coming
What Billy has done was powergaming. Bob has counter-acted the powergaming by providing REASONABLE information as to why the stabbing would fail.
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Then they aren't worth joining.
58th Conecta was best group so far, and it was worth joining.
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58th Conecta was best group so far, and it was worth joining.
ECPS :<
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ECPS :<
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ECPS :<
f**k you, backstabber. :razz:
58th!
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ECPS :<
Wat's that.
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El Corona Purple Saints.
58th Ruled all the way.
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ECPS :<
58th Ruled all the way.
Belive me ECPS was really good group even better then 58th in my opinion cause they were actually RPing and not taking out guns when they see someone at their turf, they talked with the guys sometimes took them in gang and sometimes they beated them up etc. If you didint see them you didint see RP an great group wich was better then 58th, carhartt was leading it.
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Metagaming - Making use of game information that you shouldn't know to take advantage of a situation. Eg. Looking over at someone else's cards to determine what you should put down, using information that was typed accidentally onto main chat to your own advantage, saving a game, running into a scene to look at the position of all the enemies and then reloading the game knowing where to shoot etc. Please note that meta-gaming is a term that is also used in other game platforms, and not just role playing.
Powergaming - Making up unrealistic and unsubstantiated powers to take advantage of your game. Eg. Shooting people with a AH64 Apache in a middle age world, being Goku in a real life based role play environment, doing things like "/me punches the guy, pushes him to the ground, takes his wallet, runs off, HAHAHA.." etc.
While such terms can enhance the role play environment to a certain extent, they are not rules that are enforced by ArgonathRPG. However, groups and gangs are still allowed to enforce these rules and kick members who don't follow them. On the positive side, such rules are still not server rules, and the leaders are not allowed to enforce them on players who do not partake in their group.
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Huh, what is metagaming and powergaming?? :trust:
Nah, joke. I know what it is, but Argonath doesn't recognise metagaming and powergaming. So, you don't even need to definition of it. ;)
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I couldn't of said it any better my self.
It is so annoying when random people come along and use the double brackets ... those are the one's who usually complain regarding RP levels of Argonath RPG :/
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If you want to Roleplay, then visit GS9 for god sake. you'll get 1337 RP right there. :D
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If you want to Roleplay, then visit GS9 for god sake. you'll get 1337 RP right there. :D
... Or Garcia, where Diablos hang out :)
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... Or Garcia, where Diablos hang out :)
Where's that
And the best roleplay group I've ever been yet was Bloods, long ago :roll:
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Belive me ECPS was really good group even better then 58th in my opinion cause they were actually RPing and not taking out guns when they see someone at their turf, they talked with the guys sometimes took them in gang and sometimes they beated them up etc. If you didint see them you didint see RP an great group wich was better then 58th, carhartt was leading it.
OK, I'm not saying 58th was better than ECPS, but what you're saying is complete bullshit, as we didn't ''take out guns and not actually RP'' every time we saw someone at our turf. Only time you could have actually witnessed it was when you were an enemy of us, so I HIGHLY DOUBT you actually witnessed us doing that to a civilian (not a gang member) without a fair reason. So don't spread out lies.
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f**k you, backstabber. :razz:
58th!
ECPS was the best nigga gang for sure, you can't deny that ;p
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ECPS was the best nigga gang for sure, you can't deny that ;p
Straight up.
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Seskom, I bet we roleplayed far more than you ever will, sorry.
Don't disrespect something, if you don't know shit about it.
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Example off Powergaming : /Me Pisses on Flying Plane .
Example Off Metagaming : i dont Know you and you walk on street and then i shouts : Hey ! yo Mark whats going on ? .
Hope you Understand me !
- Travis Wilson , Peace . !
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Where's that
SAN FIERRO
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Another topic you guys managed to fuck up with childish arguments...
Guy got his question answered, party is over fellas.
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Ewa freek.
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Then they aren't worth joining.
Thanks a lot, it was my group he was joining...
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The comment still stands.
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so because i want people who know how to RP and don't DM my group is not worth joining
if that is what you think ollie then you SHOULDN'T BE IN A GROUP AT ALL
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Since when have I claimed to be in a group? Yes, I use brackets for IC/OOC in order to make it easier for one to establish which is which, however I do not believe that in this community it should be essential for an individual to know this terminology. If someone applies to your group you should explain to them the terms such as meta/power-gaming like I have done in the past with Stracci members.
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Ok, I'm letting you believe what you want, but my opinion is people who know what these are, turn out to be better RPers for an RP crime family don't you think?
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Ok, I'm letting you believe what you want, but my opinion is people who know what these are, turn out to be better RPers for an RP crime family don't you think?
Don't think that most players who don't adapt it, don't know the meaning.
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Being bound by all those IC/OOC metagaming/powergaming shit does not make you a better RPer.
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(( ))
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Being bound by all those IC/OOC metagaming/powergaming shit does not make you a better RPer.
But not powergaming should be common courtesy because people who act like they're superman (unless they're actually playing superman and have hp hacks) are just not fun to roleplay with.
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But not powergaming should be common courtesy because people who act like they're superman (unless they're actually playing superman and have hp hacks) are just not fun to roleplay with.
JDC's next post will contain something with "LEET1337SERVERS" or "LEET1337ROLEPLAYERS" .. Something about Argonath is a world of it's own and some negative critisism against IC/OOC.
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JDC's next post will contain something with "LEET1337SERVERS" or "LEET1337ROLEPLAYERS" .. Something about Argonath is a world of it's own and some negative critisism against IC/OOC.
I wish I could predict the future as good as you can.. ;)
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Being bound by all those IC/OOC metagaming/powergaming shit does not make you a better RPer.
i have to disagree, but it does make you a better RPer.
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Requiring brackets to differentiate matters of real life from matters of character makes you a roleplayer with a crutch, good sir. Hence, the opposite is in fact true, the truly "good" roleplayers have no need for such aids as this! D:
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To be fair, I do not go around my school using some kind of phrase that distinguises when I will be talking utter bullshit. I do not need a phrase to tell people when I will be talking bullshit as one can tell from the manner in which I am speaking. If, for example, I am in game talking about "whacking" another mafia member, if I suddenly blurt out something regarding my pet Beagle, I think one could easily tell it is IC. We therefore do not need brackets to separate IC/OOC BUT it would definately be eaiser to distinguish in other situations.
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Ty guys for replying!
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JDC's next post will contain something with "LEET1337SERVERS" or "LEET1337ROLEPLAYERS" .. Something about Argonath is a world of it's own and some negative critisism against IC/OOC.
i have to disagree, but it does make you a better RPer.
What you both consider to be "Good and better RP" are actually things that operate on principles which did not originate here on Argonath. On other Servers (most of which contain shitty RP centered on chat systems rather than player IQ), those may be great, but here they are not. Look at my signature as well.
Requiring brackets to differentiate matters of real life from matters of character makes you a roleplayer with a crutch, good sir. Hence, the opposite is in fact true, the truly "good" roleplayers have no need for such aids as this! D:
Using brackets is showing that you have no ability to RP and is for sure not a sign for good RP. In fact if you are not able to make difference between IC and OOC you have a lot to learn about RP.
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What you both consider to be "Good and better RP" are actually things that operate on principles which did not originate here on Argonath. On other Servers (most of which contain shitty RP centered on chat systems rather than player IQ), those may be great, but here they are not. Look at my signature as well.
I know that, I posted my reply because I know what you're saying everytime.
You're repeating yourself.
And I forgot your signature, that's something you always need to mention as well. :)
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I think JDC is overreacting.
...to be honest, same with everyone who uses brackets and discusses too much on must use them or not.
We ALL got that brackets is just an aid (so what?). We ALL know Argonath does not support them. We ALL know MTA:VC roleplay is different than SA:MP's (even the GAME engine is different for god sakes... you can't climb up walls in Vice City, can you?). WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR WAYS TO ROLEPLAY!!!!!!
To be even more honest I say that JDC is against brackets and wants to stop the use of them at once; that's like saying that you must be like, what, be an Albert Einstein to play Argonath!! You barely need to be damn intelligent to define IC or OOC...
And, for me, "good RP" defines as, for example, a guy who can roleplay in a balanced level, can use /me or /em to do stuff, uses /l to speak with people locally (this is the most basic thing in Argonath RPG anyway), imagine that an object is there (like aspirin pills, you can't create an object of that in SA:MP can you?), etc.... Not because they use OOC/IC brackets and/or /em for OOC, or calling people by another name for OOC/IC (I've never seen this happen but I just had to mention it lol)...
Guys, just drop this discussion before it gets too heated up, please. Discussing the use or not use of OOC/IC is like discussing religion to such a level.
<RAGE OVER>
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What are brackets?
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What are brackets?
This " ( " & this " ) " .. That's brackets.
Some people are using it in game to show what is In Character (IC), which means you're talking from your characters perspective and role, and Out Of Character (OOC), which means you're basically talking like you do on mainchat and such things.
When people want to separate Out Of Character from In Character, they usually use brackets. (( Like this ))
Argonath does not support it, but there's still a lot of people who's using it, and it's originally used on other servers, which JDC and a few people call "1337 Servers"
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Using brackets doesn't make you a better RPer, roleplay, at least from what I see it as can either be as creative as you'd like or as serious as you'd like. I for one can play both sides, I like to be creative when I roleplay and I like to be serious at times as well. Serious meaning acting as real as a real cop would act as possible and other times being creative, such as hosting large scale drug busts etc. and I think I do a fine job at both... sometimes I do "/l LOL" if something is funny or /em, the brackets, etc. to distinguish between the role I'm playing and what I'm talking about, but either way it doesn't improve how well you can roleplay or make you less of a good roleplayer.
Post Merge: April 05, 2010, 10:57:00 pm
Oh and also, respecting others is one of the most important rules on Argo, please respect other servers as well, no matter how they wish to play..
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Using brackets doesn't make you a better RPer, roleplay, at least from what I see it as can either be as creative as you'd like or as serious as you'd like. I for one can play both sides, I like to be creative when I roleplay and I like to be serious at times as well. Serious meaning acting as real as a real cop would act as possible and other times being creative, such as hosting large scale drug busts etc. and I think I do a fine job at both... sometimes I do "/l LOL" if something is funny or /em, the brackets, etc. to distinguish between the role I'm playing and what I'm talking about, but either way it doesn't improve how well you can roleplay or make you less of a good roleplayer.
Post Merge: April 05, 2010, 10:57:00 pm
Oh and also, respecting others is one of the most important rules on Argo, please respect other servers as well, no matter how they wish to play..
Very well said, Vince.
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I believe the original purpose of this thread was a new player asking some questions about some terms. But now, everyone's going well off topic discussing those brackets.
His questions were already answered, guys. Please drop all this off topic discussion. This thread http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52650.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52650.0) was already opened for discussion about those brackets. Use that instead.
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that's like saying that you must be like, what, be an Albert Einstein to play Argonath!!
You mean that anyone below Einstein IQ levels is unable to define "IC" from "OOC" without the use of Bracket-Roleplaying-Crutches as a roleplaying aid?
The facts are quite the inverse, you just need to be someone with a normal IQ Level in order to define "IC" from "OOC" without having to go through brackets and all other similar shit.
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the brackets is not to help each other...
they are to show what you're meant to ignore, or you can put a little comment in of what you think of the RP
for example
Player 1: Hey Man, Wassup, any big shit going down or anything?
Player 1 (( :D ))
Player 2: Yeah, theres a big turf war up at grove, you should come with us
Player 1:Sounds great!
Player 2: (( lol, this is gonna be awesome RP :D ))
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Let every player roleplay how they want. Remember this, anyone who agrees to the person's RP is a true roleplayer, instead of telling him in the face "You can't metagaming!!1one!"
Player1 pulls out a Combat Shotgun and kicks him down
player2: Huh? OW, why the hell did you do that?!
player1: Give me your cash!
player2 kicks him down and starts running
player1: Hey! GET BACK HERE!!
player1 runs after the player
player1 pulls out a combat shotgun and kicks him down
player2: OMFG Don't f**king powergame!! you must use /em succeed/ fail if you do that!
player1: ... Succeed/ Fail
player2: fail
player2 starts running away
See what I'm trying to get at? Anyone who agrees to a roleplay, no matter how it goes, should be hailed as a true roleplayer.
Take a look at the 2012 RP we had a month or so ago. Did we complain about if someone survived some cataclysmic earthquake at Los Santos that happened 1 hour ago? Or somehow surviving outside with a shitload of ash from the Mount Chilliad eruption twice? Or even if someone tried to roleplay a zombie during the 2012 RP :lol:
To be honest, I have NEVER seen any of those "Succeed/ Fail" happen during that big RP. Everyone just RP'd it along, having fun.
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Well said, very well said! That is how a good rp should work and it is more fun though, because you let the other be more creative!! Which can make fun situations. ;)
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You mean that anyone below Einstein IQ levels is unable to define "IC" from "OOC" without the use of Bracket-Roleplaying-Crutches as a roleplaying aid?
No. I was being completely ironic, because in one of your (old) posts, you said something similiar that only dumb people can't define IC from OOC without brackets, and then they whine about it. You probably didn't mean it due to having a fight against Que and UrsAring. (if I remember correctly)
I don't remember which post, but I am pretty sure you said something identical.
You are saying it again, FYI:
The facts are quite the inverse, you just need to be someone with a normal IQ Level in order to define "IC" from "OOC" without having to go through brackets and all other similar shit.
This means only people with normal IQ can define IC from OOC without brackets. So, everyone who uses brackets is not normal, or suffers a slight mental disorder. :)
(I'm not confirming it...)
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This means only people with normal IQ can define IC from OOC without brackets. So, everyone who uses brackets is not normal, or suffers a slight mental disorder. :)
(I'm not confirming it...)
Exactly, because to roleplay a zombie, you need so much more IQ.
:lol:
No, but as I stated in the other topic, it feels like because I use brackets, people like JDC have something against me, which is very odd because I don't judge you, JDC, because you don't use brackets, but I judge your replies, because they're always the same..
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Exactly, because to roleplay a zombie, you need so much more IQ.
:lol:
Talking about JDC's comment on needing to have normal IQ to RP without brackets, or that I disagreed with him with another ironic comment?
And Zombie RP is fun when done well :poke:
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Talking about JDC's comment on needing to have normal IQ to RP without brackets, or that I disagreed with him with another ironic comment?
And Zombie RP is fun when done well :poke:
My comment was kinda ironic, and not against you in any way.
Zombie RP might be fun for some people, and brackets slash OOC/IC might be better for some people, maybe because it fits their style more. Everyone is not the same, and I think we should respect every way of roleplaying, neither which way you'd like to play.
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My comment was kinda ironic, and not against you in any way.
Damn it, I'm fragile. >.<
Everyone is not the same, and I think we should respect every way of roleplaying, neither which way you'd like to play.
My intention exactly.
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Ever since I've come to SA:MP, I have already encountered people using "Serious RP", although I didn't come any people who try to got others on the Server to do the same at the time, so I kept silent on the matter.
What has drawn my attention are people on the Forum who have been directly or indirectly criticizing Argonath players for not supporting or denouncing "Serious RP" with IC/OOC and all other RP crutches. :wink:
If someone is fond of using "Serious RP", but does not go around saying "Brackets increase your RP, you guys should use them!" or "The majority of Server supports, we should have bracket OOC chat!", then that is someone I don't have a problem with. In my view, anyone who starts advocating serious RP in Argonath due to the community's original RP methods being "Non-RP" or outright suggests anything that may convert the server partially, has crossed the line.
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I can't see any line JDC, where is it?
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It's a figurative expresion. :roll:
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if that post was aimed at me :roll: i only made the topic, i didn't want people to start arging in it :flame: :flame:
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