Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jcstodds on May 14, 2010, 11:30:54 am
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Do cops do the right thing?
Working for themselves? Or working for the good of the citizens? YOU DECIDE!
By RPing a cop and civilian, I have seen many injustices take place. Mainly this involves the good guys getting punished and bad guys being treated unfairly. I have seen excellent RP'ers do a great performance whilst being investigated - all in vain since the investigator has already decided that they will go to jail for xxx time regardless of their RP and reasoning.
What I personally believe in when I am a cop:
- Reward good imaginative RP by going along with it and believing them.
- If it's believable - believe them!
- If I were in their situation, what would I have done?
- Did the criminal do the right thing? Did he do he genuinely want to help or have no other choice?
- Is the crime even worth /su or jail?
All these factors I take into account before jailing or punishing a suspect through other RP way. If everyone did this, there might actually be a point to investigating?
This poll is a complete generalisation. There are always cases either side. This is about morality and if cops really give a shit about whether they are doing their job for the good of the civilians, or do you think they are just in it for the cash? Are criminals just numbers to them? Or are the criminals treated as citizens in a bad situation, asking for help?
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I guess you should post this one on ARPD forums :D
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I believe I do the right thing :devroll: All you can do is teach those misguided, show them that the point of this server is to roleplay, and that you'd have a lot more fun doing it then getting $100 from killing an orange dot.
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Just recently I tried something.
I blew right past Lt Hank Rafferty And Officer Tommy Lings at like 180 KM/H. I was in a Buffalo and they were in a Infernus.
They try to make me pull over, I refuse and floor it. I get suspected and they IMMEDIATELY open fire on me and my car. They manage to take out one of my tires, I spin out and the car blows up.
What I wonder is WHY they did not even try to take me out by PITing me, or other means before resorting to destroying my vehicle. They had a INFERNUS, the fastest car in the game, they could easily try to PIT me or try to convince me to stop and surrender. I can't outrun a Infernus in a Buffalo. They have SO many ways to stop me, but they decide to go with the easiest one.
I mean.. COME ON.. I was wanted for speeding/evading. They had the superior vehicle and they still do shit like that..
When I get suspected I feel like I'm playing a Cops'n'Robbers server..
/Rant off.
To answer your question Jcstodds, no I do not think cops are working for the good of the citizens.
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Whenever I want to be chased by cops for a while, the chase ends very quickly because of cops firing (and not letting the trigger off even when the car is burning).
Can't you cops chase for the fun of chasing someone and not for catching someone as fast as possible?
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In my opinion, so in yours JC /gu, /su and /jail are completely retarded commands which kill the role-play/investigation... People defend the existence of these commands just because they doubt the suspect will follow the officer's orders and run away... When a player surrenders, he will turn himself in. If he decided to flee after giving up, he'll be surely punished for that.
You want to increase cop role-play in our server and put an end to the cops =/= criminals concept? Remove those commands.
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I guess you should post this one on ARPD forums :D
I did, a few minutes after posting this one :cop:
Although results might be swayed slightly as people can vote twice (although it will mean that cops opinion is greater, assuming more cops in ARPD forums vote than civilians.)
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theres allkind of cops... ones are doing it for RP some other for killing and thrid ones are using /duty to provoke and some are just moneycops
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Just recently I tried something.
I blew right past Lt Hank Rafferty And Officer Tommy Lings at like 180 KM/H. I was in a Buffalo and they were in a Infernus.
They try to make me pull over, I refuse and floor it. I get suspected and they IMMEDIATELY open fire on me and my car. They manage to take out one of my tires, I spin out and the car blows up.
What I wonder is WHY they did not even try to take me out by PITing me, or other means before resorting to destroying my vehicle. They had a INFERNUS, the fastest car in the game, they could easily try to PIT me or try to convince me to stop and surrender. I can't outrun a Infernus in a Buffalo. They have SO many ways to stop me, but they decide to go with the easiest one.
I mean.. COME ON.. I was wanted for speeding/evading. They had the superior vehicle and they still do shit like that..
When I get suspected I feel like I'm playing a Cops'n'Robbers server..
/Rant off.
To answer your question Jcstodds, no I do not think cops are working for the good of the citizens.
The infernus is one of the fastest cars, and one of the weakest... if i ramm your car with infernus the carhp goes down 50/100, or less.. if i ramm twice, my car blows up. Thats why i have passanger to drive by if a suspect tries to evade us.
Speeding is a crime, and yes.. we usually try to pull you over before suspecting, except you provoking the cops with ramming or extremly driving reckless.
:ps: if you drive on the left side of the road, dont except me to be nice with you
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Stop there....There appears to be some unrest among criminals about SAPD procedure...
We are authorised to use whatever means necessary to take down a dangerous criminal - if that criminal is causing danger by speeding and driving like a maniac, you can do 1 of two things - shoot them (passenger, DB on bike), or PIT / Ram them (Sometimes hard on some cars). There is no other option for cops here. A criminal will NOT stop in the middle of a chase. They must be neutralised before someone gets hurt.
If a criminal is on foot, throwing around a gun and scaring civilians, a police officer can use pepper spray, baton, deagle, SMG or shotgun to subdue the suspect. You are a threat to people, we take whatever means necessary to bring an end to this threat. If you want to RP being a threat, we will also RP removing the threat. Simple as that. You cause a reaction from cops, not the other way around.
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Was playing criminal role for almost an year, and I couldn't talk without ever playing as a cop..
I'm now playing as cop again, and regarding the poll, I voted for: No.
I, as a cop, try to RP as long as I can, but it's too hard to RP with a wanted suspect - If they're suspected, they barely pull over and when they exit the car is to shoot us..
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Even as I am a cop for a long time, I will vote no.
I've seen to much of the cops (I am talking about ARPD ones) going crazy when the other side does have a orange name.
In this I mean, there is a lot of improvement possible in roleplay situation for as example in:
#1: Investigatements (use your imagine, and don't decide before the RP already you are going to get $600 because you wanna jail and he is orange)
#2: Roleplay when arresting a suspect (Basically, 80% screams around: "/GU OR I KILL YOU", try to more RP an arrest and continue the RP from there)
#3: Weaponusage (Currently deagle and SMG are default weapons to shoot everything what's orange, the spraycan and nitestick seems to be useless for now. But these last 2 weapons are actually reaching more RP then just shooting on someone orange - remember the UZI law inside ARPD? If you're an old regular player you would remind them and I hope you would agree with me, that that rule should come back.
Aswell the moaning towards criminals when they get shot at, or when they are killed.
Most likely you will be called a "cophunter" (define that term for me please?) and you will be moaned at in the public chat.
Still I am wondering, why you should be moaning? You got your damn guns for free and criminals have to buy them and even a lot of them are not moaning when THEY got killed (YOU, as cop, even earn money for that)
There are several issues who can be improved from both sides (cop and criminal), mostly regarding RP visions.
Try to RP your situations more and let a criminal more decide in the end of a roleplay, because mostly every roleplay ends in a boring: /GU NOW, I NEED TO JAIL YOU AND I NEED $600 or if you're being investigated NO, YOU ARE GUILTY - /GU NOW, I JAIL YOU
Hope I said enough with this, feel free to reply.
Was playing criminal role for almost an year, and I couldn't talk without ever playing as a cop..
I'm now playing as cop again, and regarding the poll, I voted for: No.
I, as a cop, try to RP as long as I can, but it's too hard to RP with a wanted suspect - If they're suspected, they barely pull over and when they exit the car is to shoot us..
That's because they are used to the fact, we cops, open fire directly without any attempt of RP.
Example of what I like - yesterday, I shot a guy who was suspected and he did /hurt 2 or something (don't know the actual command).
We did continue the RP by recovering from his shotwounds (he was about to die and stuff) including paramedics.
Out of the blue, by just chasing a suspect.
When YOU try to RP - you can pull multiple people in it. And that will have a positive affect, and I am sure you know that aswell Kevin.
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When I get suspected I feel like I'm playing a Cops'n'Robbers server..
You're contributing to it.
Oh, and yes i do believe some contribute/ "do the right thing" to the community. However, it depends on what you think contribution is. Cleaning up the streets? Arresting criminals? Shooting criminals? Everyone is going to have a different view on this topic. And if you haven't made an effort to truly in depth roleplay with the civilians and criminals and vice verca, your response will be no.
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Here's a situation.
*Me driving around in my Admiral*
Cop says (megaphone): THIS IS THE LAWL! PULL OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD!
*I pull over*
Cop says: hello u speed pay tiket or i sus
Me: I don't think I was speeding officer.
Cop says: yes u speed dont lie or i sus
Me says: I can honestly claim you have no proof I have been speeding whatsoever.
Cop says: you liar get out
Me says: You have no right-..
*Cop suspected Me for refuser*
Cop says: /gu press /gu /gu /gu!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me says: What did I do?
Cop shoots me through the window, killing.
For the poll, no, cops don't do the right thing. If there's going to be freecops there needs to be some restrictions or a small test, because this is just "omg u orange man, omg u speed, /gu or i kill!!!!1!!11one!1!one!!"
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No. I agree with your points Jcs, that's what all cops should think.
But what grinds my gears the most is all the gunfights on the server like Alan said. Cops will shoot you for dangerous driving, speeding and refusing to stop when told! What's that! Shit, and you're not even armed with anything!
When I'm joyriding and in the mood for a carchase I want a good olde chase on the country roads without three cops leaning out the windows shooting at me with submachine guns... Even if I'm unarmed, drive a car like Regina and get suspected for speeding I'll get shot at if they have SMGs...
I think the use of SMGs should be like... restricted to criminals that poses a serious threat to the cops chasing them. Armed robbers, kidnappers, killers etc. And that rule should be enforced.
ie. Not opening fire at a 16-year old that stole an old lady's car to drive some mailboxes down...
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Imagine this: you suspect someone for ramming and evading. His car blows up, he starts running. You can either:
Shoot him
Follow him running towards another car, in which he hops in, and drives off.
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Any time I am on foot with 10 cops chasing me, all firing deagle, combat, m4 at me..lol Hank Rafferty is one guy who will draw Combat on you ALL THE TIME, I know that for a fact.
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How come criminals can't speed but cops can when they're not chasing criminals?, I've seen more than 90% of the cops speeding when they're not chasing criminals?, they are even driving on the wrong side of the road AND on the sidewalk.
I sometimes even get rammed by cops when I am a civilian, and here I thought cops was to protect the civilians
I bet the cop answering this question will give me an amusing answer.
And by the way sorry for the off topic.
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im a serious RPer,i jail for the right time,example:
this building we stormed 5 minutes ago,15 cops had to storm it,one of the suspects i arrested,his crime was killing a cop,i jailed him for 150 seconds
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Any time I am on foot with 10 cops chasing me, all firing deagle, combat, m4 at me..lol Hank Rafferty is one guy who will draw Combat on you ALL THE TIME, I know that for a fact.
well, you can be proud to yourself because if i pull an m4 or combat on a wanted suspect when he is running, that means he is on my top wanted list ;)
otherwise i only use deagle..
top-kriminalz
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Other day i went into the weedfields but then quickly got off and i got /su by a cop(lets say it was John-False Name)
I wanted a investigation but he didnt gave it to me saying i already got it....then inside the PD i didnt go with John because i wanted an investigation he warned me twice(admin), and then he jailed me i called him a moneyhunter and he Kicked me from server....what do I have to say to the Poll - No. Only a Few
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Even as I am a cop for a long time, I will vote no.
I've seen to much of the cops (I am talking about ARPD ones) going crazy when the other side does have a orange name.
In this I mean, there is a lot of improvement possible in roleplay situation for as example in:
#1: Investigatements (use your imagine, and don't decide before the RP already you are going to get $600 because you wanna jail and he is orange)
#2: Roleplay when arresting a suspect (Basically, 80% screams around: "/GU OR I KILL YOU", try to more RP an arrest and continue the RP from there)
#3: Weaponusage (Currently deagle and SMG are default weapons to shoot everything what's orange, the spraycan and nitestick seems to be useless for now. But these last 2 weapons are actually reaching more RP then just shooting on someone orange - remember the UZI law inside ARPD? If you're an old regular player you would remind them and I hope you would agree with me, that that rule should come back.
Aswell the moaning towards criminals when they get shot at, or when they are killed.
Most likely you will be called a "cophunter" (define that term for me please?) and you will be moaned at in the public chat.
Still I am wondering, why you should be moaning? You got your damn guns for free and criminals have to buy them and even a lot of them are not moaning when THEY got killed (YOU, as cop, even earn money for that)
There are several issues who can be improved from both sides (cop and criminal), mostly regarding RP visions.
Try to RP your situations more and let a criminal more decide in the end of a roleplay, because mostly every roleplay ends in a boring: /GU NOW, I NEED TO JAIL YOU AND I NEED $600 or if you're being investigated NO, YOU ARE GUILTY - /GU NOW, I JAIL YOU
Hope I said enough with this, feel free to reply.
That's because they are used to the fact, we cops, open fire directly without any attempt of RP.
Example of what I like - yesterday, I shot a guy who was suspected and he did /hurt 2 or something (don't know the actual command).
We did continue the RP by recovering from his shotwounds (he was about to die and stuff) including paramedics.
Out of the blue, by just chasing a suspect.
When YOU try to RP - you can pull multiple people in it. And that will have a positive affect, and I am sure you know that aswell Kevin.
I agree with Nexxt. I'd like to add that it works both ways. You can't blame a cop for how he plays, because he's the one who reacts. When he has experience of criminals who are not rping when they are a suspect, hehas that in the back of his heads and might tend to play like another cop and go the '/gu or I kill you' way.
In the end it is up to the high ranks in the ARPD and gang leaders what they're telling their members how they are perceiving this subject and how they think everybody should and shouldn't play it out, without really telling them what to do.
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Defeating cops who appear to have an advantage only seems to give me a bigger thrill when successfully escaping from them.
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well, you can be proud to yourself because if i pull an m4 or combat on a wanted suspect when he is running, that means he is on my top wanted list ;)
otherwise i only use deagle..
top-kriminalz
QFT. In my personal opinion Hank Rafferty is the best, policeman that Argonath ever had, and ever will have. His realistic approach toward criminals, is something unique I have never saw anywhere before.
When I see he come near me when I am a suspect, we don't need to use any commands that Daco criticized, not because we know each other personally good cause we don't, but because when I do "/me drops his weapon down and puts his hands up", he will role play with me just like i raped /gu command, put me in the car, walk me to jail, and jail me without me /guing.
Too bad he's not so much active, cause if he was, he should be the main Teach on the Police Academy.
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well cops are good for me my frend plays here and he payed a fbi agent who was about to take him to jail the guy killed 3 officers he gived 250$ to fbi agent and he got unsude NICE !!!
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well cops are good for me my frend plays here and he payed a fbi agent who was about to take him to jail the guy killed 3 officers he gived 250$ to fbi agent and he got unsude NICE !!!
I killed 8 cops then I talked the cop into unsuspecting me.
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Already knew what the results of this would be :S
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Yeah, SRU does a really nice job in shooting defenceless and armless criminals in a car.
Shooting and blowing the car is their best solution, Not once have SRU tried to pit me .. They just drive-by and I never have guns.
This is what their good at .. I guess.
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i dont know man, i kill cops all day and no1 stopp me anyway :m4: :m4:
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Voted "don't know" for this.
Yes, the "/gu or you're dead!!!" concept is becoming a cliche, but think this : why do they do it? Cop players are not closed minded fools that can only think of one outcome to a RP. There's obviously a reason that they reject what everyone considers a better RP style. And one reason that was already brought about in another thread was that most criminals abuse the cop's trust.
So are cops doing the right thing? Well, they aren't in some ways, but we cannot blame them either as the way they act are shaped by whatever they meet while they are playing their role. That's why I picked that I don't know.