Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Mafs on May 16, 2010, 07:12:37 pm
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I have opened this topic because of many reasons.
In my 2 years of being here I have seen Argonath (SA:MP) changing from a server to have fun with friends, to a server where stats and status matter the most.
People used to be playing for fun, to have a good time, and to go sleep with a good feeling, because he/she has had fun with other players.
Today people play for the money, the fame and a high status in the community.
Constantly I see people AFK'ing instead of /q'ing to avoid not missing any paydays or lotto's.
Are people this shallow? Yes, the people have turned this shallow in order to be better than everyone else in the server.
Even hacks are used to be better than someone else.
Argonath used to be a place where new players were embraced, and were helped by every single player online.
Today I see those new players flaming, deatmatching and what not, because they are not being helped!
People are constantly complaining on how freecops mess everything up in the server, and constantly abuse everyone within their range. New players who want to play cops are not being helped by anyone in the server, some exceptions here and there.. Instead of telling them to chase and shoot the orange dots, why not help them understand the job better?
This counts for all scripted jobs..
But it is not only this that seems to bother me, people are moaning on how they are not being helped by the admins. And on how they do not respond to their reports. Unfortunatly, I have to admit, this is true. A lot of reports are not responded to, not even a response from any admin that they are looking into it.
However, the server should not rely on reports and admins. It should rely on it's players.
My question is, how can we make Argonath back into a fun server, instead of a server used for stats and money?
Everyone may leave his or her opinion on what is wrong and what could be improved, and how we can improve it.
Discuss..
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I still play with equal fun like two years ago. No one or nothing is going to stop me from that. Guys who scream like a little pig in mainchat after they lose 100$ make me laugh :D
The only advice I would give is to play in your own way, and don't let anyone stop or hold you back.
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Moaning is silly, imo.
The best part of being a part of the SAPD is the moaners, it's always fun to see moaners getting the punishment they deserve.
Anyhow, I disagree in some of your statements. As you state all players are after stats and achievements...
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I'm still the same guy fucking around on /p ,flaming whiners..so yeah it's all good :)
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I still play with equal fun like two years ago. No one or nothing is going to stop me from that. Guys who scream like a little pig in mainchat after they lose 100$ make me laugh :D
The only advice I would give is to play in your own way, and don't let anyone stop or hold you back.
That is exactly the attitude I, myself was looking for.
Unfortunatly, most players seem to care more about their money and stats than they do for good roleplay and fun.
I constantly get asked: 'How did you get so much money?' 'How do you gain money fast?' 'Please, gimme money!!'
The answer is simple, I got lucky.
How to get money fast? Become a decent roleplayer.
And last.. no.
Oh, and I would like not to call me a 'hypocrite' because I do have a lot of money. And that I can talk easy about money.. You do not need more than a couple thousand to do various roleplays.
If you're poor, and then I mean genuinly poor, no car, no house and business and hardly no money. Then play a hobo.
Your roleplay should not be affected on how much money you have, or how much drugs, weapons, cars, houses, etc.
I'm still the same guy f**king around on /p ,flaming whiners..so yeah it's all good :)
That's exactly the attitude we don't need.
Moaning is silly, imo.
The best part of being a part of the SAPD is the moaners, it's always fun to see moaners getting the punishment they deserve.
Anyhow, I disagree in some of your statements. As you state all players are after stats and achievements...
Let me make this clear, I am not in any form moaning. I have seen other players create 'moan' topics about a varity of things, things I really want to change, or improve.
The best part of the SAPD shouldn't be laughing at moaners, if you ask me. It should be about roleplay and fun.
And I have not said: 'all' did I?
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Another topic, does it help? No.
Your affort ingame would work? Yes.
Works don't work, actions does.
You're not the first one Mafs...
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Another topic, does it help? No.
Your affort ingame would work? Yes.
Works don't work, actions does.
You're not the first one Mafs...
If you would've spent your time on reading the first post, you would've noticed that I am looking for ideas on how to improve things in-game. Idea's, opinions not other moans.
Words don't work, action does.. consider this my first action.
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Oups, looks like I wrote wrong.
I didn't ment the best thing, but a funny thing ;)
Also, my opinion is defined from my opinion, not the whole SAPD :)
If you start doing some changes, others will follow. (Not pointing this at Mafs.)
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Oups, looks like I wrote wrong.
I didn't ment the best thing, but a funny thing ;)
Also, my opinion is defined from my opinion, not the whole SAPD :)
If you start doing some changes, others will follow. (Not pointing this at Mafs.)
I know you're not pointing this towards me, but I will respond to it :)
This is an attempt to get those 'followers' to see who care, and to see who does not care.
On my own I won't make any difference, that's for sure.
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Are there whiners and money hungry people now? Yes.
Were there whiners and money hungry people 2 years ago? Yes.
Should we care about them and pay attention? No.
Enough said.
And should we flame them? YES - Why? Because they do NOT belong here . Period.
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Are there whiners and money hungry people now? Yes.
Were there whiners and money hungry people 2 years ago? Yes.
Should we care about them and pay attention? No.
Enough said.
Pretending the problem is not there and is not expanding is also a possibility, indeed. :devroll:
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Alot of things changed but alot remains the same, i still enjoy it :)
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Argonath is changing and with every update its getting worse and worse and worse.
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A bunch of kids flooding on /p is not a problem...
I was not only referring to that.. kthxbai
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Argonath is now a server where people work to buy things so that they can boast, and not for RPing.
Roleplay is rare, nowadays roleplay is considered handing someone a speeding ticket or blowing an enemy away with a combat.
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Argonath is now a server where people work to buy things so that they can boast, and not for RPing.
Roleplay is rare, nowadays roleplay is considered handing someone a speeding ticket or blowing an enemy away with a combat.
Atleast someone is getting the point, my goal is to change that, and to learn people how to roleplay again.
And to show them that money isn't all on this server.
Any ideas on how to archieve that, are welcome.
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Simple, remove /p
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Improve the system of Criminal factions, increase the strictness on Gangwars... ect.
Power is seen in how many guys you've got to kill the other team, It's TDM atm... with a little roleplay on the side for good measure.
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NitrOx how is that going to solve this issue?
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NitrOx how is that going to solve this issue?
Removing /p won't solve anything.
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For a better future, we need to forget about the past.
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Argonath is changing and with every update its getting worse and worse and worse.
No idea what to say to that
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NitrOx how is that going to solve this issue?
Whining kids won't be heard over the global chat -> People on the server don't get annoyed -> Everybody is happy.
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If you wana talk about moaners and shit, you can sit infront of your computer whole day.. and make countless topics. If you want to have change, have fun in the game for 1-2 hours.. and show to others, Yes ArgonathRPG is still fun as it was in the begining.
For David, ignore that comment from Marcello.
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Give infinite money to all. Really.
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Give infinite money to all. Really.
This.
Argonath is changing and with every update its getting worse and worse and worse.
My Good Sir, Would you please Shut up, and go to some leet RP server instead of whining like a bitch.
Yours Truly, Wolfe.
PS: :war:
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If it was up to me, I would change 3 things:
1: "you can not force RP" - cancel this rule, since this is Argonath RPG, you suppose to RP. If you dont want to RP and just want to chat with friends go on msn or forum.
2: put admin(s) in all areas. For example in criminal groups. Is there a single admin in Stracci? Araatus? Ancelotti? Gvardia? and those groups combined together make up 50-60% of all players on server. This means that 50-60% of server is not being watched by admins and moderators.
3: When there are over 80 players on server, disable /p
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If it was up to me, I would change 3 things:
1: "you can not force RP" - cancel this rule, since this is Argonath RPG, you suppose to RP. If you dont want to RP and just want to chat with friends go on msn or forum.
I agree in this. If you don't want to roleplay, you should /q and log off.
If it was up to me, I would change 3 things:
1: "you can not force RP" - cancel this rule, since this is Argonath RPG, you suppose to RP. If you dont want to RP and just want to chat with friends go on msn or forum.
2: put admin(s) in all areas. For example in criminal groups. Is there a single admin in Stracci? Araatus? Ancelotti? Gvardia? and those groups combined together make up 50-60% of all players on server. This means that 50-60% of server is not being watched by admins and moderators.
Uhm, so you want an administrator in each group?
I really don't support this, as there is many groups at the moment, and the amount of administrators wouldn't be able to control.
3: When there are over 80 players on server, disable /p
No.
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Either be strict about /p chat ( Instant punishment for insults and calling people/groupd Dmers, rulebreaker, hackers, or just simple moaning for losing his guns after relog) or add a function that players can disable /p when they want to.
Puting a command /pchat off, wouldn't make us "srsbizninsrpstrictrp", cause we would still be an open community, I myself like to have public chat, and I would have it on in 50 percent of time, but the other 50 percent when I really really really , don't need it, and want to concentrate fully on my role play, I would have turn it off.
Also after relog/joining the server, the /p would be auto-on, same system like phone, cb, pm.
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I think one of the biggest problems on the server at the moment is people crying and whining when they die, and then blaming other people for DM, when it's not always DM - this is of course directed towards ARPD and criminal groups.
Instead of when reaching the end of a shootout, for example, having a good attitude, and retrospectively accepting that you had some fun, people just bitch like hell... it really ruins everything.
Having said that though, I don't think the rules of engagement and such are perfectly clear - at least not for me - especially in areas such as cophunting; everyone has mixed opinions and understandings of the rules, and it just creates a huge mess, and in turn, arguments.
However, as Panda and others have said before:
Give infinite money to all. Really.
Also, bring back the MOLE missions, please. I mean, some revision can be done, and it could really work out well.
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Uhm, so you want an administrator in each group?
I really don't support this, as there is many groups at the moment, and the amount of administrators wouldn't be able to control.
at least 1 in each main groups (Stracci, Araatus, Gvardia, Ancelotti)
Specialy ancelotti and gvardia because they spend most of their time in SF, and there is not so much admins like for example LSPD and GS9
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at least 1 in each main groups (Stracci, Araatus, Gvardia, Ancelotti)
Specialy ancelotti and gvardia because they spend most of their time in SF, and there is not so much admins like for example LSPD and GS9
Perhaps a representative from each group - most likely the leader, unless managers view them as unfit to be an admin - could become an admin, upon the group becoming an official group?
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Well I can say 1 thing:
Be more strict.
Cop view
Criminals = no RP and DM
Criminal View
Cosp no RP and DM
Now, being on both sides, When on cop duty, like no criminals RP.
When being a criminal, I ALWAYS try to RP, like /me falls down from gunshot wounds, but EVERYTIME, I get shot and die. Happens to every criminal, they moan then admin action's taken.
Also, cops just chase orange dots.(most) They go around on patrol, see a speeder /su and chase, or they see an orange dot and chase it, or they see a large group of people and start shouting out Cpurple. Removing orange names would increase sooooooo much RP.
Like a system of when suspected, you're orange, but when the cops aren't in the 'Cops are to close blah' range, they turn white, then cops have to resuspect the person. When cops can't find a person, they just /area. That's A HUGEEEE problem, maybe implent a cops can't /area suspects.
Read the whole thing before responding, but, these are just suggestions. ;)
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who cares
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If it was up to me, I would change 3 things:
1: "you can not force RP" - cancel this rule, since this is Argonath RPG, you suppose to RP. If you dont want to RP and just want to chat with friends go on msn or forum.
2: put admin(s) in all areas. For example in criminal groups. Is there a single admin in Stracci? Araatus? Ancelotti? Gvardia? and those groups combined together make up 50-60% of all players on server. This means that 50-60% of server is not being watched by admins and moderators.
3: When there are over 80 players on server, disable /p
Good job in my opinion that you were relieved of your administrative duties in that case.. Haha seriously, where did you get those numbers from? :lol:
Try and bring a reformed MOLE :D.
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Good job in my opinion that you were relieved of your administrative duties in that case.. Haha seriously, where did you get those numbers from? :lol:
Try and bring a reformed MOLE :D.
Why is it a good job? Cause of which part of his reply? He did his administrative duties as good as you and other way around.
Numbers are more then realistic if you're active in last few months. I know you're not, and I know he is, so who got the right numbers, you or him ?
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SAMP Administration tried that by selecting criminal leaders as admin almost a year ago.
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Argonath is changing and with every update its getting worse and worse and worse.
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Argonath is changing and with every update its getting worse and worse and worse.
Have any idea on how much effort scripters put in the server and in their work? Please before posting something use your braind think for 10 seconds then maybe you realize that some people could be offended seriusly by your post.
If it was up to me, I would change 3 things:]
1: "you can not force RP" - cancel this rule, since this is Argonath RPG, you suppose to RP. If you dont want to RP and just want to chat with friends go on msn or forum.
Players understand that rule differently or tend to abuse it.
2:[/b] put admin(s) in all areas. For example in criminal groups. Is there a single admin in Stracci? Araatus? Ancelotti? Gvardia? and those groups combined together make up 50-60% of all players on server. This means that 50-60% of server is not being watched by admins and moderators.
This was already tried, and as you see it didnt work.
3: When there are over 80 players on server, disable /p
It won't resolve anything
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In my eyes this is what Argonath has become and a lot have already said this.
1. Cops vs Criminals server - all will say that is true
2. Cops have more advantages over criminals, free weapons, free armour. Today Vince weapon equipped all cops with him and this was about 10 with combat and all had armour. Now that is 3 squad cars full of armored cops, each cop DBing with SMG against 3 gvardia suspect a little unfair eh? Cops can DB on bikes now rofl...cops will go after orange dot like it is their life to KILL it, not to RP but to kill. If I wanted to RP getting shot, the l33t cops would just keep fireing combat at me. Cops now a days do EVERYTHING to kill you, they will ram you when you on foot and while you on ground will fire combat at you this happened today as well to me lol.
3. Not enough real ways to make money on argonath now for non criminals.
-Can RP selling - does that get anyone any real money to have fun? No
-All can do is wait for a payday or lotto, but now you see many players just AFK to get lol since they have no other way to really get unless wanna turn criminal and sell drugs or be hitman.
-Why not add mole missions again with random times a street race can occur or money grab, in RS1 that was fun as HELL!!!!!!!
-Criminal player must pay to have weapons and armor, while the cop players who come on server can get weaponequip and free armour? A little unfair that we must use our money yet cop players must not?
Cops now ask for spikes when already have free weps and free armour, 3 cops DBing with SMG at a single crim car all armored LOL and their PURE intent is to KILL you no matter f**kING what.
I will speak the truth about what argonathrpg has become in my eyes with being here about 3 years, cop server. With the ARPD being in close connection with the main administration they get all they need, but I ask why does the ARPD get all this? All they are is PLAYERS roleplaying police supposedly to "protect" but this not what I see at all.
We need more options, more fairness to have fun on the server. Giving us lotto and paydays is a FAST way to say "Here just take the god damn money and be happy"
But why not create more ways to make money script wise when you are already giving free money out so fluently?
ARPD need to really look at themselfs and see how they changed from the respectable ARPD from 3 years ago under Kaltsu leadership to now. Look what you have become and what you created in San Fierro.
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You're all forgetting that cops die a lot more than criminals.
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-Criminal player must pay to have weapons and armor, while the cop players who come on server can get weaponequip and free armour? A little unfair that we must use our money yet cop players must not?
Not really. I'm always paying for my SMG and armour.
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It seems people have noticed what this topic is really about. Keep the ideas coming.
As I am currently in school, I will check all ideas later when I'm at home.
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You're all forgetting that cops die a lot more than criminals.
Cause cops dont care if they die, they are zombies.
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Cause cops dont care if they die, they are zombies.
Can you please take out names instead of calling ALL cops zombies? I always work as a cop as I only got one life, I follow procedures so I don't die too fast, and I got my own techniques to survive longer than the others.
And if I eventually die, I'm not returning to the same situation.
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- Gangs should join TS (if they do, they should get their own TS channel)
- Other kinds of punishment, e.g. removing 10 percent of all a player's money when he is flaming.
- Posting more ideas that would change Argonath for her benefit.
- Forum ban asslicking whiners :cool:
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- SA:MP Official Groups
- Ammunation / weaponry should be A LOT more expensive IMO, when I say expensive I mean a Desert Eagle for around 5000.
- Argonath should be more strict. (Can explain further)
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- Gangs should join TS (if they do, they should get their own TS channel)
- Other kinds of punishment, e.g. removing 10 percent of all a player's money when he is flaming.
- Posting more ideas that would change Argonath for her benefit.
- Forum ban asslicking whiners :cool:
1 - I do not think that would be benificial to Argonath.
2 - Good idea, but for someone with millions, it could mean disaster, same for people who don't have anything, still a good idea though.
3 - That's what I am trying to archieve in this topic :)
4 - Yes, just yes.
- SA:MP Official Groups
- Ammunation / weaponry should be A LOT more expensive IMO, when I say expensive I mean a Desert Eagle for around 5000.
- Argonath should be more strict. (Can explain further)
1 - We already have official groups? =AV=, [WS]
2 - That would cause more moaning, don't you think?
3 - All should should be enforced like they were ment to, this doesn't happen alot.
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1 - We already have official groups? =AV=, [WS]
2 - That would cause more moaning, don't you think?
3 - All should should be enforced like they were ment to, this doesn't happen alot.
1: By that I meant official gangs / mafia, sorry for not explaining good enough :).
2: I really don't know, it depends how you presentate this new structure.
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Improve the system of Criminal factions, increase the strictness on Gangwars... ect.
Power is seen in how many guys you've got to kill the other team, It's TDM atm... with a little roleplay on the side for good measure.
This would indeed improve the large criminal side on the server, however. It would require all criminal group leaders to work together, something like this had already been done with the validations, as you know. However, I think other measures must be taken.
I believe Stracci once had the rule not to moan on /p after having a shoot-out with cops/other criminals, this wasen't for a long period unfortunatly.
In my eyes this is what Argonath has become and a lot have already said this.
1. Cops vs Criminals server - all will say that is true
2. Cops have more advantages over criminals, free weapons, free armour. Today Vince weapon equipped all cops with him and this was about 10 with combat and all had armour. Now that is 3 squad cars full of armored cops, each cop DBing with SMG against 3 gvardia suspect a little unfair eh? Cops can DB on bikes now rofl...cops will go after orange dot like it is their life to KILL it, not to RP but to kill. If I wanted to RP getting shot, the l33t cops would just keep fireing combat at me. Cops now a days do EVERYTHING to kill you, they will ram you when you on foot and while you on ground will fire combat at you this happened today as well to me lol.
3. Not enough real ways to make money on argonath now for non criminals.
-Can RP selling - does that get anyone any real money to have fun? No
-All can do is wait for a payday or lotto, but now you see many players just AFK to get lol since they have no other way to really get unless wanna turn criminal and sell drugs or be hitman.
-Why not add mole missions again with random times a street race can occur or money grab, in RS1 that was fun as HELL!!!!!!!
-Criminal player must pay to have weapons and armor, while the cop players who come on server can get weaponequip and free armour? A little unfair that we must use our money yet cop players must not?
Cops now ask for spikes when already have free weps and free armour, 3 cops DBing with SMG at a single crim car all armored LOL and their PURE intent is to KILL you no matter f**kING what.
I will speak the truth about what argonathrpg has become in my eyes with being here about 3 years, cop server. With the ARPD being in close connection with the main administration they get all they need, but I ask why does the ARPD get all this? All they are is PLAYERS roleplaying police supposedly to "protect" but this not what I see at all.
We need more options, more fairness to have fun on the server. Giving us lotto and paydays is a FAST way to say "Here just take the god damn money and be happy"
But why not create more ways to make money script wise when you are already giving free money out so fluently?
ARPD need to really look at themselfs and see how they changed from the respectable ARPD from 3 years ago under Kaltsu leadership to now. Look what you have become and what you created in San Fierro.
ARPD rules should indeed be more strict, in my opinion. Drive-bying as you just described should only occur on high risk suspects or a large group, such as a whole gang/mafia.
I believe Vince thought that you guys would be high risk, and come on, Gvardia is a high risk, they have some excellent shooters alongside of acces to a large array of weapons. A the real SWAT is hardly available on the server, freecops had to be used. Watch a few series which contain SWAT attacks, high risk houses/criminals are always brought down by the SWAT, that's simply how it works.
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Moaning when dying, both comes from ARPD and criminal groups, in my time in Corleone we've had several shoot-outs with Stracci, Araatus and of course, the police. On some occasions people started moaning, on other occasions, Daniel told us not to complain in the public chat, and all went all. Sometimes even a 'congratulations' have been awarded.
Why isn't it like that?
If a group of police succesfully takes out a large group of suspects, such as Stracci/Gvardia and no complains about 'dm' would be issued, it could be really fun. After all, most suspects are looking for a shoot out anyway.
And vice-versa.
And if the suspects get taken down, maybe it's time for a different tactic. You could roleplay trainings for that, for example in Area 69 or where-ever.
Discuss :)
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It was not fun, when randomly 3 squad cars each full of 4 armoured cops, and 3 DBing in each squad car...then when ur car is blown every cop is fireing combat at you. They came to SF to take out me cofi and eug lol it takes that much firepower? They killed me and cofi within 2 minutes of showing up in SF.
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Payday should be removed if you want people to stop being greedy.
People could roleplay instead of moaning for 'plz payday plzzzzz im poor'. Roleplay a job and ask money for it. Anyway that's my opinion. ;)
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I agree with Hidduh. Back 2 years ago paydays werent like evreyday of 10k there were only paydays on birthdays and etc.Now its given out like candy and evreybody thinks that if he will moan hell get more.It's stupid, we play to have fun not to:Omg I lost 100$.AAA abused me abused !
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I remember when I joined. Paydays were so damn rare and when we finally got one , it was 1k.
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Payday should be removed if you want people to stop being greedy.
People could roleplay instead of moaning for 'plz payday plzzzzz im poor'. Roleplay a job and ask money for it. Anyway that's my opinion. ;)
I agree fully, newcomers start with $10,000 which is VERY good money for starting, then they get $9999 payday ((Thanks to Frank)). After this they think they will get this every hour/minute/second, and when they don't get or lose it they moan, moan and moan! Paydays are good but it makes RP light level.
Also /p(ublic) gives Argonath community and takes RP.
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Roleplay a job and ask money for it. Anyway that's my opinion. ;)
Problem is that players are too greedy to pay for any job, since they can do everything themselves.
It was not fun, when randomly 3 squad cars each full of 4 armoured cops, and 3 DBing in each squad car...then when ur car is blown every cop is fireing combat at you. They came to SF to take out me cofi and eug lol it takes that much firepower? They killed me and cofi within 2 minutes of showing up in SF.
Don't all the gangs drive 3+ car convoys with fully armed men too? You can't get more equal combat conditions than that. And yet you moan all over the forum about how many cops have advantages over suspects (but of course you still pwn them all, you just don't like the fact that they have something that you don't).
Don't like cops - don't get wanted. It's not THAT hard.
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Problem is that players are too greedy to pay for any job, since they can do
Yes unfortunately, but that is from the very beginning of the first day Argonath became an official server.
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2 - Good idea, but for someone with millions, it could mean disaster, same for people who don't have anything, still a good idea though.
Exactly why. These are the players who know the rules by heart and if they do break the rules, they only do it because they think they can get away with it. I think this is a great way of punishment, because a mere kick or tempban is just not enough.
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Mafs, great that you've made this topic.
I've nothing to add. It's complete.