Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 03, 2010, 11:51:52 pm
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I'd like to know your concerns and opinions regarding the Economy.
Some may say: "What economy?", and I do not blame them for saying this.
What do you think should be done about the Economy.
What affects it?
Let's discuss.
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traitor :P
Well, too many lottos. That unballance the economy . They should make only 1 LOTTO only 1 TIME . : P
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.
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traitor :P
Well, too many lottos. That unballance the economy . They should make only 1 LOTTO only 1 TIME . : P
Fucking real businessman, lottos balance the economy now, since the values of the houses/business' went up.
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It b ded.
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.
True fact,
We used to save cash to buy expensive cars, and have fun with unique vehicles with meant not the cash you paid but how much you worked and maybe your experience...
I'd vote for putting sports cars' value up to 700k+...
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As the people lost lots of millions with the vehicle system, it got balanced with the new property System. You can sell properties for the same price you sold a car back "old days", where in the "old days" you couldn't sell a "standard" house for no more than 50000.
Whats the point of paying 700k for a vehicle you can't sell to others lyrical? Exactly, None as it would increase the hunger on the powerhungry people, they will just say "HAHAHAHA i have an infernus and you don't, i am better than you!". If newbies would have to pay 700k for an sport car, the day they buy it one, they will no longer be a newbie, but an old veteran (Unless they just got luck with three lottos, events, etc); Most of the newbies simply don't have the patience or don't like to waste 8 Months of their life getting virtual money for a virtual car, which gives them absolutely nothing in real life; They will simply leave. The prices of the cars now is perfect, it is still hard to get 100000 but if you want, you can even get more than that in a few weeks. If they want an infernus, they don't have to waste 8 months of their life, for getting nothing basically.
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>economy
NON EXISTENT
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I would suggest to keep this system, but instead raise the prices of the vehicles. By another 20%.
Lotto should be done one occasions, and paydays once a day, 10,000.
We are talking about something abstract here, assemble a team of trustful men who can gather economic plan in San Andreas.
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As the people lost lots of millions with the vehicle system, it got balanced with the new property System. You can sell properties for the same price you sold a car back "old days", where in the "old days" you couldn't sell a "standard" house for no more than 50000.
Whats the point of paying 700k for a vehicle you can't sell to others lyrical? Exactly, None as it would increase the hunger on the powerhungry people, they will just say "HAHAHAHA i have an infernus and you don't, i am better than you!". If newbies would have to pay 700k for an sport car, the day they buy it one, they will no longer be a newbie, but an old veteran (Unless they just got luck with three lottos, events, etc); Most of the newbies simply don't have the patience or don't like to waste 8 Months of their life getting virtual money for a virtual car, which gives them absolutely nothing in real life; They will simply leave. The prices of the cars now is perfect, it is still hard to get 100000 but if you want, you can even get more than that in a few weeks. If they want an infernus, they don't have to waste 8 months of their life, for getting nothing basically.
By paying 700k, I mean, paying expensive... Therefore, hard to get. How you get? By working, you understading?
You can easily earn 100.000 in an event and buy a house, then a car, and later on a business, once you get everything why do you play?
If you get access to everything...
Property are becoming pretty useless nowadays as they're used for nothing but load/store.
What I mean is, reasons to keep playing, mission, objective? To roleplay? Surely, we do that everytime...
But in order to make the game a lil'bit more interesting, we should have "special" stuff which are hard to get... That's what makes the game funnier. IMO.
I think you got it now :p
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Suggestion:
1.Leave the house/bizz values as they were
2.Raise the sport car value by 10%
3.Give 1 payday per day
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You can easily earn 100.000 in an event and buy a house, then a car, and later on a business, once you get everything why do you play?
If you get access to everything...
I don't agree.
RP should be practiced more then getting " expensive things" that can make you happy for a day, then they'll look the same.
We need to endorse RP not stats.
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But in order to make the game a lil'bit more interesting, we should have "special" stuff which are hard to get... That's what makes the game funnier. IMO.
And that doesn't necesarilly haves to mean making things hard for newbies and other players by increasing the price of everything.
There are lots of things that can make the game a bit interesting, such awards (JUST an example), <insert lots of things there>, and even the infinite roleplay scenarios that can be made.
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I don't agree.
RP should be practiced more then getting " expensive things" that can make you happy for a day, then they'll look the same.
We need to endorse RP not stats.
I meant it for new players...
Objects/things are nothing, we play for fun and for the roleplay...But I still thinking that some new players at their first time, they try to earn cash by all means...
I believe making "expensive" stuff was cool, because they had something to go after for....
Let me try to examplify :razz:
A guy wants to buy a sport car which costs 700.000.
He looks for a job (RP) > Earns some cash > Go to events (meet people and friends) > He sells stuff such as drugs in order to make cash(RP)...
I believe all those things are "healthy"...
I might be wrong though.
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When I was a newbie I wanted to buy a nice house near the beach and a buffalo, now you can buy a buffalo for 70k it's not that unique now, but I love the new scripts.
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When I was a newbie I wanted to buy a nice house near the beach and a buffalo, now you can buy a buffalo for 70k it's not that unique now, but I love the new scripts.
Basicly he got what I said, motivating newcommers to stay...
Not living every day the same stuff and getting bored, then leaving...
IMO.
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.
Money meant nothing anyway.
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I meant it for new players...
Objects/things are nothing, we play for fun and for the roleplay...But I still thinking that some new players at their first time, they try to earn cash by all means...
I believe making "expensive" stuff was cool, because they had something to go after for....
Let me try to examplify :razz:
A guy wants to buy a sport car which costs 700.000.
He looks for a job (RP) > Earns some cash > Go to events (meet people and friends) > He sells stuff such as drugs in order to make cash(RP)...
I believe all those things are "healthy"...
I might be wrong though.
His staying here will become totally nonexistent and he'll rant a work hard until he saves enough for the car. I've seen people getting obsessed and willing to do anything for a expensive car.They will become a statistics player, which is bad.
You will motivate them to stay for 2-3 months untl they see everything is expensive and leave or simply become obsessed with material.
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His staying here will become totally nonexistent and he'll rant a work hard until he saves enough for the car. I've seen people getting obsessed and willing to do anything for a expensive car.They will become a statistics player, which is bad.
You will motivate them to stay for 2-3 months untl they see everything is expensive and leave or simply become obsessed with material.
When they're running for that "objective", they realize stats is not everything... When they get at that point, they already have learnt alot :razz:
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When they're running for that "objective", they realize stats is not everything...
After some kicks or bans :roll:
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After some kicks or bans :roll:
Well, depend on the person, but mostly...Yeah. :razz:
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:lol: I will say this before you all get this:
You care for economy, money, so much? Why play here then? This server is not for an economy.. its for RP. some say 'well money helps me create rp' or something... Yeah, RP including guns and such, and guns are so overrated.. as are houses and businesses. I played here for 2(and a half) months with no more than 5,000$... most of the time being in negatives. I was so happy, enjoying argo a lot without cash.
[WARNING: story here... i will post an 'tldr']
I played for 2 months here, on argo, no more than 5000$ total, most of the time in negative balance, denying cash from others, including 1,000,000$ from someone (if they want to say... they can), because i didn't think I needed money. upon time.. money came my way (Total of 4,500,000$ and I wanted to try it out. I was pretty happy at first... i bought a home, cars, I started being known as a rich guy, people begging me for money, which of course i gave. Later, I started losing some of it... out of the 4,500,000$ i had, I was complaining over a 10k loss... I look back at that now and laugh... what kind of stupid souled man complains over such a short amount... even if they don't have millions? Luck, bad luck, whatever you want to call it, came toward my way. Server was hacked... i lost all of my earnings, all 4.5million. I was pretty neutral feeling. Believe it or not, I didn't moan one time, and told my story to those who moaned over a 10k, 5k, even a 2k loss... they didn't believe me at first. I can't blame them... I do to this day, consider it GOOD luck I lost my money... I am not an average earning player... keeping 10k-100k on me and constantly gaining/losing... but now I have learned, I don't moan over a loss...
TL;DR: Money isn't needed for roleplay.. those who think it is, have never lived without cash.
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After some kicks or bans :roll:
no, after your momma gets hooked up on heroin
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money ruins this server. Especially the cost of so much stuff in Argonath. If you have no money like if you have only like $100 on the game you can't do anything. Lower the prices
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money ruins this server. Especially the cost of so much stuff in Argonath. If you have no money like if you have only like $100 on the game you can't do anything. Lower the prices
If you have no money like if you have only like $100 on the game you CAN do anything.
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you can't /ad, you can't enter a lot of businesses, lose anymore money you go into negatives and boom
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you can't /ad, you can't enter a lot of businesses, lose anymore money you go into negatives and boom
Sooo... you want M4 for 1$?
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Sooo... you want M4 for 1$?
oh hell yes :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4:
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no, after your momma gets hooked up on heroin
Thank you for the compliment.
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Thank you for the compliment.
I guess she already did.
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When I joined I litteraly worked my ass of, when I reached 70k I felt so happy because it actually took time to get it. Now you don't have to do nothing and can expect that money in your pocket at any time cause change of scripts= change of peoples' attitudes.
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If /ad wasn't so expensive... -.-
I love rping [NEWS] but I run out of cash a lot.
some people try to rp NEWS, but they so amateur :B
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When I joined I litteraly worked my ass of, when I reached 70k I felt so happy because it actually took time to get it. Now you don't have to do nothing and can expect that money in your pocket at any time cause change of scripts= change of peoples' attitudes.
Yes, I can't agree any more.
I FELT EPIC when I earned some money, I seriously feel upset today talking about it, not being able to feel that again.
Not just because it was money, but because money = gateway for RP.
With money you could hire a bodyguard, driver, bribe cops , etc.
right now I make money easily, and lose it quickly.
When I don't have money, I cant do /ad Argonath RPG CoastGuard. Ready when you are. use /rescue.
The ad alone makes so much rp opportunities.
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Which is why I always supported a time limit for it opposed to the monetary restriction.
As for the economy, I don't believe it's existent here as a whole economy.
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True fact,
We used to save cash to buy expensive cars, and have fun with unique vehicles with meant not the cash you paid but how much you worked and maybe your experience...
I'd vote for putting sports cars' value up to 700k+...
i support this but i doubt this will ever happen.
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I think the current sistem is fine..... All what i see in this topic is changes changes and changes, not only 1 sayed that you could acctually use you're money on making some Role play activites..... And preferable something else than a huge bank robbery.
Srsly on what money some ppl have this days you can hire some members and make an original RP.... The ideea, well you think about it and what do you want to do... its you're money....
Or try to use the public services more often.... like :
- taxi - if you're just joy riding in the city, try and take the cab... Can drivers need to eat too, no ?
- paramedic - if you're injuried and not really in a hurry to get heal, then call a paramedic and Role play the scene ... etc
On that way money will be used to pay the players who participate at certain role play's and hopefully the economy will be kept alive.
Atm the economy is low because some certain players prefear to buy and sell expensive cars, and all that money gets lost on the state, then rather give that money to some players and have some real fun.
Instead of buying a 70k car, and sell it after 1 week because you get bored of it.... then its the best you invest that money in a good role play... Atleast you will know a player will be happy to get some $$ and spend them on what he wants.
Just think about it guys..... But are the scripts really the problem ? :)
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.
BINGO.
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The "economy" might be dead because players only count on things scripted-buyable. You people should make up more imaginary things, so the money flows more from player to player - and I mean not only sell things, BUY them!
That's one of the main problems, no one wants to buy non-scripted items. If something does get scripted, anything else from that category will not be sold, "because it's not scripted". Take drugs for example - since we have weed and heroin, no one will buy cocaine, because "it's not scripted", "they have to add that to the script". And it has to do something as well.
The other I mentioned a lot of times before, game-play dependence on money.
Main problems are:
1. Scripted objects make a too big difference, resulting in game-play degradation when a player has limited funds
2. Players are addicted to scripted items and do not use imaginary items & services
Fix those two and you'll have both - more RP and a better economy.
Maybe there should be a Black Tuesday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929)/Black Monday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_%281987%29) event where all players' accounts get reset to $10000 and prices for every item get revaluated. Of course the richer player, the more moaning about "omg lost all my cash and respect ....". But if stats were reset from time to time, maybe players would stop caring about them that much and start spending money.
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Haha, its fine for you because your richer than Jesus, you own an ammunation for god sakes...
yeah, and guys like me should spend they're money with the players, not with the scripts, buying / selling cars, weapons ... etc...
Now im not saying that "do not buy a car" or "do not buy weapons " ..... Buy them.... but buy something usefull and what you really need....
Dont just buy a car to get fancy and then sell it after 3 days because you had enough.... thats just waste of money .... And that money you're wasting away it can be added to someone else pocket, who really needs them.
And for the million times..... the ammunition belongs to the White Shadows Clan.... its not mine personal ammunition !!
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Well i think the challenge is ruined by how it goes now. Players have different goals to play for, For example: Stats / RP.
I've played a long time to earn the money. Sad to see it is all been given away now by so many Lotto's.
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whats about this economy?
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I'm just playing for the RP, I'll need some money to increase the RP but i don't care what car system...
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Maybe there should be a Black Tuesday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929)/Black Monday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_%281987%29) event where all players' accounts get reset to $10000 and prices for every item get revaluated. Of course the richer player, the more moaning about "omg lost all my cash and respect ....". But if stats were reset from time to time, maybe players would stop caring about them that much and start spending money.
I see the point there, and I agree, as I have a full garage of Fender custom guitars IG( Bought them by various people).
About the monday/tuesday, I don't know where do you get there, as you said yourself(just underlined/bold the BINGO! part of your post)
Care for statistics and money never stops.
(http://img.nattawat.org/images/zwktwr3ekotgjlokfdto.png)
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Well i think the challenge is ruined by how it goes now. Players have different goals to play for, For example: Stats / RP.
I've played a long time to earn the money. Sad to see it is all been given away now by so many Lotto's.
Ahahahahaha :lol:
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Mohahahah :help:
I had a RP business when /ad price was $50, it helped so much, Jcstesotods was a regular customer, now If I try and do a few ads for Red County Farm I'd spend more money then I make, and tbh I feel Money is what I can use to make RP more interesting.
BTW, I once sold Louis_Keyl some rotten tomatoes "Vintage tomatoes" :lol:
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We don't have any economy atm. It's ruined.
But I think Argonath doesn't need it. I need money only for guns and armour and that's all.
But I can agree that it's hard to earn money now, players forgot about RP, they buy only houses, cars, guns.
Some months ago players was spending there money for "nothing", buying some things like Iphones, playstations etc.
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Well i think the challenge is ruined by how it goes now. Players have different goals to play for, For example: Stats / RP.
I've played a long time to earn the money. Sad to see it is all been given away now by so many Lotto's.
Lol betty
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Keep it the way it is, Limit payday's and Lotto's, Make people RP! for their cash, like they should on a role play server.
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.
Thats true... Bussines RP was done with cars, now only bizz and houses remain which do not get sold very often
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We don't have any economy atm. It's ruined.
But I think Argonath doesn't need it. I need money only for guns and armour and that's all.
But I can agree that it's hard to earn money now, players forgot about RP, they buy only houses, cars, guns.
Some months ago players was spending there money for "nothing", buying some things like Iphones, playstations etc.
Yeep. I used to sell illegal poisons, chemicals, explosives, and gases with the securicar, real real cheap, because I figured "they'd enjoy this more if they didn't really have to sacrifice anything for roleplaying with me." This was before /ad was raised. It's quite hard to advertise, secretly or not (considering it was illegal), because I can't do /me puts a sign in the ground and literally have everyone "see" it as an alternative, because there's no actual sign there! What, do you expect me to say in public chat, "Hey guys, I did /me puts a sign in the ground that says 'SELLING CHEMICALS AND SHIT' so if you pass by there you have to pretend it's there." NO! It just doesn't work that way.
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@ Luigi
Though I DID suggest a /g(lobal)me command some time before, for such occasions where you want everyone to see your /me action.
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@ Aksel and Daniel.
Everyone made mistakes in their lives. So did i. But i learned from them. I started with a clean new account 2 years ago and yes, I have earned everything i got now by working hard. If you are not willing to forgive people for mistakes they made in the past, I think that you are not a good human then. ;)
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I would suggest to keep this system, but instead raise the prices of the vehicles. By another 20%.
Lotto should be done one occasions, and paydays once a day, 10,000.
We are talking about something abstract here, assemble a team of trustful men who can gather economic plan in San Andreas.
or payday twice a day $5000 each instead
or people on some timezones will suffer
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I've said I before and I will say it again.
People who depend on Payday's and Lotto's should not be on RP servers, The general idea it to role play, and earn money from that.
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Basicly Melvin is right, when i first joined.. We were like a week to get a payday..
Now must of people(not all) go arround as cops shooting criminals and wait for a lotto or something..
When i joined i actualy used to see lots of RP jobs by the poor people and the rich one colaborating by buying the RP stuff..
So yes, i think Melvin is right..
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Basicly Melvin is right, when i first joined.. We were like a week to get a payday..
Now must of people(not all) go arround as cops shooting criminals and wait for a lotto or something..
When i joined i actualy used to see lots of RP jobs by the poor people and the rich one colaborating by buying the RP stuff..
So yes, i think Melvin is right..
100% CORRECT, like selling Cars, House or Other stuff ... But now the Things aren't like he hope so ... :cry:
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when the people like melvin were making money, drugs were high in price, lots of buyers, car system was different, so people would act as dealers.
So don't say to people now to stop relying on paydays because the people who are rich now generally made their money in an easier time.
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@ Aksel and Daniel.
Everyone made mistakes in their lives. So did i. But i learned from them. I started with a clean new account 2 years ago and yes, I have earned everything i got now by working hard. If you are not willing to forgive people for mistakes they made in the past, I think that you are not a good human then. ;)
http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=56739.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=56739.0) :lol:
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http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=56739.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=56739.0) :lol:
:rofl:
Didn't they lose everything because of the rollback?
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:rofl:
Didn't they lose everything because of the rollback?
LOL X)
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;) @ Mario Rinna
xcasio is right here.
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This economic fucked me up. Ain got any $$ or shit, lost it on rollback (house car) and there is no way i can turn em back. Just lotto luck and some good asslicking.
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The economy? Yes, where is it.
This is what happened a few months ago, or, close to a year ago.
Josef. Here is a list of my progress in the past 48 hours.
[SOLD]
House - Ganton for 40.000
House - Ganton for 20.000
House - Ganton for 20.000
House - Jefferson for 25.000
House - Marina for 35.000
House - Dillimore for 25.000
[SELLING]
Mansion - Marina for 120.000 [Bought, waiting for person ingame]
Mansion - Marina for 80.000
Mercutio Paolini
Things like that happened quite often if you did very well. If you worked hard, you recieved your part.
How often do you sell six houses in a day now?
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I see what you did there.
For me there's one person we should blame, that's oisacX with his 66$ paydays.
Well, the new car system maybe has "destroyed" the economy for a few, but imagine how many people invest $$ in cars these days... if people would be happy with ONE car only, or limit was never 3 but one or two.. this wouldn't have happen. I know many people who sold bizz/houses to buy and fully tune some sultan or some race cars... Just think about it ;)
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lrn2market
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The economy got destroyed with the release of the vehicle update. There is no economy now, money means nothing on Argonath anymore - it's easy to burn and easy to get back.