Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 16, 2010, 10:55:28 pm
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What are your views on SAMP admin applications being opened?
Personally I think It'd be good to have some new admins, but I hope the wrong choices are not made in the process of picking suitable admins.
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It was needed. A lot of the current admins are inactive, and we need more administrators from different timezones to cover the late nights when admins aren't on and the other random shit that goes down.
It's a real opportunity for more trust within the administrators.
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Personally I'd like to see new blood coming in, this way when we're many online some can just chill and let the new and hungry to help people lay on the reports as long they can :).
Not meaning I'll go lazy, I'll ofcourse keep responding to every report which comes in as I've always did. Fast and Fair.
It's a good opportunity for the people who are worth it out there, and yes for admins on different time zone Who are also need.
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Opening applications will at least give a good idea on who are active at this time.
As for the wrong choices, expect that we will appoint anyone who is currently banned... :rofl:
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It would be awesome to see old admins to get back where they should've never left... (09')
Such as: =AV=Neext, Twenty, Seanolk, Violet_Corleone and (many more)
Hope they all apply and they all get accepted :)
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Opening applications will at least give a good idea on who are active at this time.
As for the wrong choices, expect that we will appoint anyone who is currently banned... :rofl:
O god dammit !!! SOMEONE BAN ME QUICK!!!
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It would be awesome to see old admins to get back where they should've never left... (09')
Such as: =AV=Neext, Twenty, Seanolk, Violet_Corleone and (many more)
Hope they all apply and they all get accepted :)
erm maybe?
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erm maybe?
I'm not hopeless :D
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As a player this is my opinion
PLEAE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK THE OLD ADMINS THEY WERE GOOD PLEASE DON't APPOINT BRAND NEW ONES
Example: =AV=Nexxt, Violet_Corleone, Twenty, Panda, Squeak, and much more
If new blood needs to come in please let it be people who are actually dedicated to the server and not just some people who r like "OMGADMINZAPPLICATIONZIWUNT2BADMEEN4POWR"
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Its funny to see "Pls pls pls bring back old admins"...
I know what will happen if we will do it...
We will get "plsplspls ban this admimn abuser"...
I am not telling that they all left admin team due to abuse... But you should be careful... If admin lost his place in admins team - there must be a really good reason...
We are not that quick in it...
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Opening applications will at least give a good idea on who are active at this time.
As for the wrong choices, expect that we will appoint anyone who is currently banned... :rofl:
Made my day :razz:
Also, I'm not sure.. Actually unlike everyone else, I'll admit I really hope I get to get into the team.
As for fellows I only hope for one spesific, Nexxt.
It would be awesome to see old admins to get back where they should've never left... (09')
Such as: =AV=Neext, Twenty, Seanolk, Violet_Corleone and (many more)
Hope they all apply and they all get accepted :)
They didn't leave. There was this re-organizing in the team.
Its funny to see "Pls pls pls bring back old admins"...
I know what will happen if we will do it...
We will get "plsplspls ban this admimn abuser"...
I am not telling that they all left admin team due to abuse... But you should be careful... If admin lost his place in admins team - there must be a really good reason...
We are not that quick in it...
Hopefully, and most thinkable, you guys absolutely will choose someone that fits the job good :)
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They didn't leave. There was this re-organizing in the team.
They were forced to leave... They are not there anymore. So yes, they left. (forced or not)
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Good luck to all applicants...the team awaits you :evil:
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They were forced to leave... They are not there anymore. So yes, they left. (forced or not)
Also known as the nice word; kicked.
Good luck to all applicants...the team awaits you :evil:
I hope I'll just drop by :D And, thanks :razz:
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Good luck to all applicants...the team awaits you :evil:
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I think that they should introduce a mix of admins, pull some of the old favourites back in and introduce some new veteran blood.
You never know, someone completely unexpected could be in future one of the most succesfull admins.
I'm just hoping they make the right decisions. I seriously look forward to seeing the new team.
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Good luck to everybody :)
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Im glad the SAMP Admin Applications are finally opend, Argonath needed a few more admins.
Good luck to evryone who applied :)
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hopefully they will pick some that will be online during the night hours in like USA. seems like there are never any admins online for night for me here, but during daytime/early night in europe there are plenty.
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Good luck to everyone ^^
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I don't support the shout in here "bring back old admins".
As in my opinion, everyone who was admin in the past, should be judged at as an individual, Mac.
The only thing they share, is that they all have experience in the past.
But some people changed, some did not.
But yet it's up to the administration leadership to pick the ones who suite it.
Good luck to all!
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It would be awesome to see old admins to get back where they should've never left... (09')
Such as: =AV=Neext, Twenty, Seanolk, Violet_Corleone and (many more)
Hope they all apply and they all get accepted :)
Totally agree with you.
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Well I agree, fresh blood is good. Let them show their skills and devotion.
Good luck to all applicants.
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I'd like to see Violet, Seanolk, Nexxt and Twenty back on the team too.
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How can people know who will be good admin and who will not?
If to look at Argonath's history, the first non-rockstar admins were =RM= clan members, who were deathmatchers and joined our server cos on the other server they were banned at once (there were only two RPG servers on MTA:VC)... And what? I am still thankful to those "dmers", who shared the Argonath's defense together with us...
Responsibility and power change all people... Some are moving to the responsibility side, others - to power side...
I can say at once: if you can handle lack of fun and lack time on chilling with friends - then you have chances to be a good admin more then those, who think they can still be active playing and chilling around...
You all just should imagine it yourselves, if you became admin and come on server, getting 20 reports at once, half of which could be handled by players easily, and while checking the first report, getting accusations that you are a dumb laze f*cking power hungry admin who ignores others...
If player can still be calm and enjoy the server, then he has chances to be a good admin...
Sad to say, but some of the reasons some players apply:
1. To bust those who offended them some time ago (revenge)
2. To start bossing around with no punishment
Pity but that are also reasons why some people suggest others to admins...
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Are you blaming me of being a Deathmatcher Aragorn?
Just because I was a =RM= Member?
Rebel Mafia, was the very first clan I ever joined regarding GTA.. Ever..
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I do not blame... Read my post careful...
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I can say at once: if you are can handle lack of fun and chilling with friends - then you have chances to be a good admin more then those, who think they can still be active playing and chilling around...
This is why I believe the more experienced players should be handed the roles. They've already established themselves and have had time to gain what they want, now
they can spend time on making the server a better place for newer members to follow in their footsteps.
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Experience of being admin does not make people being more responsible for the admins work...
Especially if they were admins and lost rights... eh?
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I wasn't referring to experienced admins, I was referring to experienced veterans. :)
I believe that most veterans have the potential to improve the server if given the chance.
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Veteran also does not mean he is more responsible then not a veteran...
We have such examples already when veterans act worser then cheaters even...
In short words we already showed this opinion...
Of cos we will not set as admins the new registered player... But he will not apply as well, yeah?
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Experience of being admin does not make people being more responsible for the admins work...
Especially if they were admins and lost rights... eh?
That is right, some Veterans applied for Admin and they've been as rude I've seen and vindictive and full of revenge (to me mainly :lol:). I won't say who but...
I left as ParUni Manager because I wasn't active enough and I know some of the lower admins could do much better job.
AS for Veteran players- What has some of them done for community? They just play for themselves.
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It's fun reading through the applications. I've read a couple and I'll keep reading.
Good luck to the applicants!
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Veteran also does not mean he is more responsible then not a veteran...
We have such examples already when veterans act worser then cheaters even...
In short words we already showed this opinion...
Of cos we will not set as admins the new registered player... But he will not apply as well, yeah?
True words were never spoken. I guess as it's your server you know what it needs, and I have faith the new admin team will meet the requirements.
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True words were never spoken. I guess as it's your server you know what it needs, and I have faith the new admin team will meet the requirements.
I wasn't referring to experienced admins, I was referring to experienced veterans. :)
I believe that most veterans have the potential to improve the server if given the chance.
That's bullshit.
If "veterans" want to do something, they do not need to be admins.
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True words were never spoken. I guess as it's your server you know what it needs, and I have faith the new admin team will meet the requirements.
I also Agree with Romeo. Of course, they were NEW admins, and were likely to make a mistake or two.
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Veteran or a regular, rich or poor. What ArgonathRPG needs is helpful players that learn new players how to role-play.
Only that will make you a good player. And that will build a better future.
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That's bullshit.
If "veterans" want to do something, they do not need to be admins.
You completely missed my point. I have no idea where you got that idea from.
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Veteran also does not mean he is more responsible then not a veteran...
We have such examples already when veterans act worser then cheaters even...
In short words we already showed this opinion...
Of cos we will not set as admins the new registered player... But he will not apply as well, yeah?
I remember when I really joined the community after a few months that I had first played on VC:MP, There were the admin applications into a sticky topic on SAMP General.. I did not apply.. Why? Beucase I knew that since I was new in community and people did not know me yet, I had no chances. Waited some months, regularly after playing and having fun, I seen apps open after the big kick wave.. Tried and got in, tadaaa.. I'm still in the team now :) *winks*
I can't deny the fact that some act very bad.. but neither that if one of the high admins was online at the time, EX: Manager or even higher, people would not do that. i don't get the thing that they need to be scared or like under the eye of someone high ranked to act well.
By the other side, I see a few people applying and saying "Currently inactive, but will get active soon". That's completely false to say in the Application, because the team will choose those who play regularly and are practically active. And not the one who go inactive for a bit, then active for a small amount, and then again inactive. Or even you must be active a small amount of time, so they can see if you are able to take up the position, Not apply and say "wish words".
--TheRock
just woke up.
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Lol, I was surprised about how many people applied.
Also, I find it funny how people who have had loads of bans or are currently banned have applied, Either way.
Good Luck to everyone.
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I find it funny how people who have had loads of bans have applied.
People can change.. You know.
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Experience of being admin does not make people being more responsible for the admins work...
Especially if they were admins and lost rights... eh?
He sertainly got a good point. But there are of those who change. And the are whom who ain't getting a chance, but that is just the way it goes, I'm happy that I already have a moderator job on IV:MP and so far, it's going very well, but a thing that RON might want to point out is that, if you were admin on a server with 2 people joining in a week, it's not even possible to compare, it's totally different.
And as he also points out is that people should try to set them in the situation of being one of those getting blamed for not helping exactly THEM @the time 32 others also ask for help, I did actually do exactly this before I applied this time, thought for a couple of minutes. And I realised how much of a stress it would be, but I still applied, I've wanted this job for a too long time to stop hoping and stop trying, but seriously, this time I decided to apply for the reason that I think I can fit, before it was often about the "fame" and "jobtitle".
I will just say, Aragorn got a point on everything he said.
-iD.
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Also, I find it funny how people who have had loads of bans ................. have applied
What is abnormal with that? I think 99% of the community started with bans... Its normal for beginners...
More important not the amount of bans, but handling it and developing own way in the community... Finding the way to improve yourself to learn on mistakes...
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What is abnormal with that? I think 99% of the community started with bans... Its normal for beginners...
More important not the amount of bans, but handling it and developing own way in the community... Finding the way to improve yourself to learn on mistakes...
What this lad here said, should be a lesson to everyone. We are all humans, Some people make a mistake on ArgonathRPG and get banned. Someone else makes a stupid move in real life and gets his nose broken. Everyone makes mistakes. Life is a lesson.
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Are you blaming me of being a Deathmatcher Aragorn?
Just because I was a =RM= Member?
Rebel Mafia, was the very first clan I ever joined regarding GTA.. Ever..
were you playing on Argonath from the start when they recruited non-ms/rs admins? no.
were you even made an admin when =RM= were playing? no.
do you need to get off your high horse? yes.
What this lad here said, should be a lesson to everyone. We are all humans, Some people make a mistake on ArgonathRPG and get banned. Someone else makes a stupid move in real life and gets his nose broken. Everyone makes mistakes. Life is a lesson.
aragorn is older than you, you can't call him a lad.. english :alert"
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Good luck to all applicants. ;)
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130 applicants.. wow
Good luck, ladies ;)
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Good luck, ladies ;)
<3 :lol:
Fun Beside,thanks :)
130 Applicants?!Nice,and if i saw right noany reply on any of the topics,right? Good luck to the others though :)
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130 applicants.. wow
That means we will have 130 admins? COOL! oh wait that doesn't work that way, does it?...
Good luck to everyone
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Can't wait to see the new "representatives" ... :razz:
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Sorry, but this isn't a good luck post thread.
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I've just seen a lot of applies saying "I want to give something back to the community" or "I feel it's now time to give something back to the community" (coincident? )
When I saw such applications with that, I was like "come-on, why do you need to be admin to do this?".
Am I the only one who finds this a tad bit of a bad excuse / funny?
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Sorry, but this isn't a good luck post thread.
Neither a place to complain about those who do wish people luck :)
I've just seen a lot of applies saying "I want to give something back to the community" or "I feel it's now time to give something back to the community" (coincident? )
When I saw such applications with that, I was like "come-on, why do you need to be admin to do this?".
Am I the only one who finds this a tad bit of a bad excuse / funny?
A nice way to give back to the community is to donate :)
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Neither a place to complain about those who do wish people luck :)
I started the thread so I'll decide.
It remains a discussion thread on the matter of : Admin applications.
My Admin application:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=59091.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=59091.0)
Pressed Post instead of preview, Age 17, Started 18 may 2009.
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I find it funny how people who have had loads of bans ... have applied
lol are you serious? Back in 2007 before I first became admin I was banned 3 times before I got admin - once for money cheating with LLoyd_Dragons, once for provoking Nikolai and another time was an accident...
Then after the latest restructure I was banned a further two times - once for script abuse and once for provoking Salmonella...
And yet here I am, stronger than ever, more reactive than ever, as an admin...
So do not pull that card man, everyone has his bad days.
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I started the thread so I'll decide.
It remains a discussion thread on the matter of : Admin applications.
My Admin application:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=59091.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=59091.0)
Pressed Post instead of preview, Age 17, Started 18 may 2009.
Curse, I like you. However, I think that the way of posting your own link for your own Admin application are not going to look good in the matter of choosing admins.
I'd suggsest that you remove the link if I were you.
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Neither a place to complain about those who do wish people luck :)
I understood this thread differently, but I will keep my opinion with me...
As about participating in this topic, I agreed just for giving tips and hints to players who decided to try a luck with admins applications... Also to brake some stereotypes players have about picking up admins...
One of the stereotypes - you will be admin if you are a rockstars member or a friend to the owners...
The picking up procedure is not based on personal likes of the owners... Though it has two ways...
The general way - admins team is voting for each player's application...
The smallest (additional) way - owners are trying this or that player as admin...
This second is right based on testing the responsibility... There was once a big confusion in admins team when we decided to give moderators try to the leaders of all big old mafias of Argonath... The experience failed... But at least this moderators checked out what is admins job... So its not based on personal likes and dislikes...
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We all know I'm gonna get the admin position :lol:
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Who still did not applied? :trust: The board is full...
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When admins application is closed?
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Who still did not applied? :trust: The board is full...
I, for example have not applied.
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I can say at once: if you can handle lack of fun and lack time on chilling with friends - then you have chances to be a good admin more then those, who think they can still be active playing and chilling around...
You should work for a Dm server : ) 20 reports a Second : P Its something you do If you care for the community. Also people can only hope that enough admins are selected that you can divide up the responsibility's so some people may be able to play at certain times.
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In the begin the new mods (well, the ones that will be chosen.) Will be like 24/7 responding to the reports, but later will see it's not good for their personal life ;).
I remember back before 8 months when I was chosen, I had some arguements with my family about sitting on pc all day long.. and even fough with my friends for a period when I was not going out. But well, I've found time both for my family and friends & Game.. it's not that hard.
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Great to see that an opportunity has been made available to people within the community to dedicate much of their server time helping others.
As stated somewhere in the pages of this topic, it requires most if not all your time. 130 odd people have applied, I somehow doubt the intentions of a lot of those that applied.
Nevertheless, good luck to those that applied.
I left as ParUni Manager
:eek:
Forgive me for going a tad bit offtopic but I was under the impression your ejection from the position you held was a little more … a little more violent … a boot up the ass springs to mind.
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I understood this thread differently, but I will keep my opinion with me...
As about participating in this topic, I agreed just for giving tips and hints to players who decided to try a luck with admins applications... Also to brake some stereotypes players have about picking up admins...
One of the stereotypes - you will be admin if you are a rockstars member or a friend to the owners...
The picking up procedure is not based on personal likes of the owners... Though it has two ways...
The general way - admins team is voting for each player's application...
The smallest (additional) way - owners are trying this or that player as admin...
This second is right based on testing the responsibility... There was once a big confusion in admins team when we decided to give moderators try to the leaders of all big old mafias of Argonath... The experience failed... But at least this moderators checked out what is admins job... So its not based on personal likes and dislikes...
I heard some of those ways already :razz:
Well, I guess both you and Curse see it this way, but of course... A public good luck to all is good for everyone that applied, if you realise a guy that didn't get one, he gets one here :)
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This second is right based on testing the responsibility... There was once a big confusion in admins team when we decided to give moderators try to the leaders of all big old mafias of Argonath... The experience failed... But at least this moderators checked out what is admins job... So its not based on personal likes and dislikes...
I wish I had been around at this point. I'd have most definately enjoyed seeing 'how the other half lives' as it were. :)
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I understood this thread differently, but I will keep my opinion with me...
As about participating in this topic, I agreed just for giving tips and hints to players who decided to try a luck with admins applications... Also to brake some stereotypes players have about picking up admins...
One of the stereotypes - you will be admin if you are a rockstars member or a friend to the owners...
The picking up procedure is not based on personal likes of the owners... Though it has two ways...
The general way - admins team is voting for each player's application...
The smallest (additional) way - owners are trying this or that player as admin...
This second is right based on testing the responsibility... There was once a big confusion in admins team when we decided to give moderators try to the leaders of all big old mafias of Argonath... The experience failed... But at least this moderators checked out what is admins job... So its not based on personal likes and dislikes...
So this mean what we learned from you around 3 years ago still apply?
:) Joking, you put the backbone into me man, and I will always remember it since it was great teaching you did back there. It's always been there.
Argonath RPG, forever strong! ;)
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I love new admins, it's always great to see moderators helping out and we could really do with the help!
Also new admins tend to have better reaction times to reports :redface:
And maybe I will be able to make a single car journey without being abducted by aliens.
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I love new admins, it's always great to see moderators helping out and we could really do with the help!
Also new admins tend to have better reaction times to reports :redface:
And maybe I will be able to make a single car journey without being abducted by aliens.
That's the hope.
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NEXXT FOR ADMIN
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And maybe I will be able to make a single car journey without being abducted by aliens.
:lol:
I agree that new moderators will most likely have better reaction time to reports, But one thing I would be concerned about is that eventually players will always say 'wtf u answer so fast before why not now' and hopefully this new moderator can prove him/her self and not break under the pressure from people provoking and or being mean to them. Whoever can manage all of the pressure is someone who is fit for the job, indeed.
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Good luck everybody, I'm looking forward to seeing some fresh meat around.
As for now Giac is holding the record of the fastest response to /report with 0,5 seconds. Beat it :D
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All of the players deserve a chance to become a moderator to prove they are worthy for the job taken.
Well..actually not all of them :redface:
Hopefully the new moderators will understand what it feels like to be a part of the team(if they get accepted ofc).And will realise that is not easy to respond to 100 reports from 150 players in 20 seconds, so basically, the current admins will get a little 'backup' now.
Get ready for the Moderator Wave peeps.
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I am now thinking " Do I want to be an admin?" - full time anyway.
I am constantly being asked to do this or that by people to do stuff for community.
Should I focus on having a chance to use /announce " DO NOT RAM, Watch driving" or break up arguments as admin?
I've so far fixed problems without adminship, does anyone need this?
*ponderS*
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I am now thinking " Do I want to be an admin?" - full time anyway.
I am constantly being asked to do this or that by people to do stuff for community.
Should I focus on having a chance to use /announce " DO NOT RAM, Watch driving" or break up arguments as admin?
I've so far fixed problems without adminship, does anyone need this?
*ponderS*
1. If you are pondering it do you really need it?
2. Its not something that is a goal to do /announce it is something you do because you are devoted and want to help the server and its players. Not for personal Benefit.
#2 is why I applied.
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1. If you are pondering it do you really need it?
2. Its not something that is a goal to do /announce it is something you do because you are devoted and want to help the server and its players. Not for personal Benefit.
#2 is why I applied.
Well as I was saying.
Is there a need for most people to apply?
We can fix issues and help new players without admin.
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I do not believe people who are mods and admins etc on IV:MP or argonath stunt etc should be given moderator status.
How can they properly moderate two servers? After all, we do not want admins who are constantly splitting their time between more than one server
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You should work for a Dm server : ) 20 reports a Second : P Its something you do If you care for the community.
Argonath is more complicated as it has more functions and reasons to request admins help... DM server do not have so many options...
Though I am sure on DM server moaning on admins is much less, cos people are more used to face the troubles and at least can just kill the offender...
I am not protecting deathmatchers but in some points I have a respect for them... At least they just shoot or beat the rammer instead of reporting the admins... Or protect each gang members from the deathmatcher who randomly appeared... On Argonath sa:mp players even moan about chat mode and fart...
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Argonath is more complicated as it has more functions and reasons to request admins help... DM server do not have so many options...
Though I am sure on DM server moaning on admins is much less, cos people are more used to face the troubles and at least can just kill the offender...
I am not protecting deathmatchers but in some points I have a respect for them... At least they just shoot or beat the rammer instead of reporting the admins... Or protect each gang members from the deathmatcher who randomly appeared... On Argonath sa:mp players even moan about chat mode and fart...
I ram the rammer back and Kill the deathmatcher.
Although I get sus'd after it :(
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I do not believe people who are mods and admins etc on IV:MP or argonath stunt etc should be given moderator status.
How can they properly moderate two servers? After all, we do not want admins who are constantly splitting their time between more than one server
I tell you there are ways ;) Won't be argueing how though.
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Argonath is more complicated as it has more functions and reasons to request admins help... DM server do not have so many options...
Though I am sure on DM server moaning on admins is much less, cos people are more used to face the troubles and at least can just kill the offender...
I do not know what Administration is like here besides what my Administration member friends tell me but I must say sir from my perspective it seems about the same. You get a report every 5 seconds for Health Hacks or Car Killing or Heli Killing or Weapons hacking or He is being a noob. People moan all the time there. I can say one thing for argonath I realize you may have more reports because You have these reports on top of the reports about Forcing RP or Cop Hunting or Deathmatching the moderators have more responsibility's.
However I must agree with curse on one of his points 7 pages of moderator applications It seems some people think it will be a fun rank even though you will possibly only get 20 Minutes to play if you are online for 4 hours. I do wish everyone luck though and even to the other people because once they find out it is serous they can either learn to work harder or learn something about themselves.
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However I must agree with curse on one of his points 7 pages of moderator applications It seems some people think it will be a fun rank even though you will possibly only get 20 Minutes to play if you are online for 4 hours. I do wish everyone luck though and even to the other people because once they find out it is serous they can either learn to work harder or learn something about themselves.
I do not like the 'they must have applied for rank' idea... Considering you are not that person, and know NOTHING, NOTHING, about that person, how would you assume they just want rank / power? Maybe all 7 pages of applications wouldend up as good moderators/admins, or maybe not. Every person has good in them, but maybe one's point of view of 'good' or in this case 'why they want to be admin' is different, but they are all applied to make good in the server, and if they can not succesfully complete their job, Proper administration can help them or remove them from mod/admin status.
TL;DR: Do not make false assumptions because when your wrong you will look like a fool.
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So why dont they have specific Admins/Mods to handle certain reports, so that they dont have to go dutch whenever a report comes in.
ex. Admin #1=Hax0rs Mod #1=DMers Mod #2=Forcing RP, Ramming. And so on and so forth
If would ease a person's mind I assume when they only have to respond to one kind of report. That way most people are handled and have no way to moan.
HOWEVER, when that Admin/Mod is the only one on the server, it may be a different story.
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James...
Imagine that one h4x0rz-mode is online, and there's a guy ramming... And he's the only admin online - not very pratical idea
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James...
Imagine that one h4x0rz-mode is online, and there's a guy ramming... And he's the only admin online - not very pratical idea
"Sorry I cannot handle rammers, I only handle hackers".
I promise you, that will result in MUCH more moaning...
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I tell you there are ways ;) Won't be argueing how though.
I am not going to argue either, I am stating that if you have for example 8 hours in one day, and you are a moderator on two servers, 8 hours divided by two = 4 hours for each
suggestions such as running one computer for each server will not be accepted by me due to the fact you cannot look at two screens at once either ;)
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So why dont they have specific Admins/Mods to handle certain reports, so that they dont have to go dutch whenever a report comes in.
ex. Admin #1=Hax0rs Mod #1=DMers Mod #2=Forcing RP, Ramming. And so on and so forth
If would ease a person's mind I assume when they only have to respond to one kind of report. That way most people are handled and have no way to moan.
HOWEVER, when that Admin/Mod is the only one on the server, it may be a different story.
This is ridiculous. This sounds like you want us to be divided like in K-9 units.
Administrator is MANAGING the server.
to manage = maintain stability/order and ensuring peace and fun/safe playing ...
Of course people will moan afterwards too. They never get satisfied, they will just "switch the moan tune" to administration incompetence.
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Argonath is more complicated as it has more functions and reasons to request admins help... DM server do not have so many options...
Though I am sure on DM server moaning on admins is much less, cos people are more used to face the troubles and at least can just kill the offender...
I am not protecting deathmatchers but in some points I have a respect for them... At least they just shoot or beat the rammer instead of reporting the admins... Or protect each gang members from the deathmatcher who randomly appeared... On Argonath sa:mp players even moan about chat mode and fart...
This is why we had less reports on mta:vc, people generally took care of it themself by teaching the player.
And if the dminger did not stop. Report and if admins did not get there in time, you generally defended yourself.
PROTIP: You can always take care of an HP-hacking player by ramming him with Heli-blades on mta:vc (they could pause, but luckily hackers are to cocky to consider that). That they cannot avoid because the heli-blades are instadeath, and thier hacks won't re-act in time to save them and refill the hp lost. Because as I understand it, the death code comes before the refill hacks they use. On SA:MP this does not work I think. I have tried it already on one HP-hacker I ran into on the server. But I heard the knife from behind should work sometimes.
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I do not believe people who are mods and admins etc on IV:MP or argonath stunt etc should be given moderator status.
How can they properly moderate two servers? After all, we do not want admins who are constantly splitting their time between more than one server
I don't think so.. Moderators, admins and managers on other servers should get an equal hance just like the other applicants if they are active enough and if they have enough experience. So basically you're saying that (for example) Tai should get removed from the SA:MP admin team because he is a IV:MP manager? Also, these servers are less populated then SA:MP..
Written on my iPod Touch, sorry for grammar mistakes.
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I don't think so.. Moderators, admins and managers on other servers should get an equal hance just like the other applicants if they are active enough and if they have enough experience. So basically you're saying that (for example) Tai should get removed from the SA:MP admin team because he is a IV:MP manager? Also, these servers are less populated then SA:MP..
Written on my iPod Touch, sorry for grammar mistakes.
Hidduh is right.
I am not going to argue either, I am stating that if you have for example 8 hours in one day, and you are a moderator on two servers, 8 hours divided by two = 4 hours for each
suggestions such as running one computer for each server will not be accepted by me due to the fact you cannot look at two screens at once either ;)
No such thing as "You need to be on for an strictly amount of hours or you'll get kicked. You just let it go smooth and everything is fine.. Compare it to both playing football and playing in a band, you'll always find space for both ;) Change weeks, change days... Split days, it's just how it goes :)
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Well, in my own opinion, admin should handle properly the server he is admin on... And I agree that the best way - to be an admin on one server...
But we have another issue... While being admin on one server (sa:mp) and player wants to play on other server (IV:mp) he comes, he is not an admin there... Mostly what people will start - minimum to troll him...
Here comes that player just gets confused with his own status on Argonath... Either he is an admin on Argonath or he is a player...
Some can handle this difference, others - not... And I can understand them as well...
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Good luck everybody, I'm looking forward to seeing some fresh meat around.
As for now Giac is holding the record of the fastest response to /report with 0,5 seconds. Beat it :D
Not gonna be beaten ;)
Well, in my own opinion, admin should handle properly the server he is admin on... And I agree that the best way - to be an admin on one server...
But we have another issue... While being admin on one server (sa:mp) and player wants to play on other server (IV:mp) he comes, he is not an admin there... Mostly what people will start - minimum to troll him...
Here comes that player just gets confused with his own status on Argonath... Either he is an admin on Argonath or he is a player...
Some can handle this difference, others - not... And I can understand them as well...
If you are admin on SAMP, most people from other servers will know who you are and will have respect for you and will not shit on you in other Argonath servers...but sometimes those who are admins in other Argo servers don't get the recognition and respect in SAMP as not as many people know him and how he works...This does lead to what you mentioned above - the feeling of whether or not he is part of admin team..
My opinion - yes..admin on one Argonath server and you should be respected and treated as an admin on all servers...That is the treatment I get anyway :lol:
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Recently I've been asked for something regarding the SA-MP Admin Team, but a member of the stunt team administration.. he told me "come on, I'm an admin also", yes i don't deny the fact. I deny the thing that you wish to know information (and classified one) for another team of SA-MP Server. (RPG Administration). We're a community I know, but sometimes guys.. some info are just not to be spreaded out.
Not gonna be beaten ;)
I've done better than that :P.
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Not gonna be beaten ;)
If you are admin on SAMP, most people from other servers will know who you are and will have respect for you and will not shit on you in other Argonath servers...but sometimes those who are admins in other Argo servers don't get the recognition and respect in SAMP as not as many people know him and how he works...This does lead to what you mentioned above - the feeling of whether or not he is part of admin team..
My opinion - yes..admin on one Argonath server and you should be respected and treated as an admin on all servers...That is the treatment I get anyway :lol:
Well, as you say SA:MP admins are as admins everywhere, such as me (whilst I'm kinda new to the A-Team in Argonath) is not that much recognized for it in other servers then IV:MP (I think :razz: )
For the thing "You shouldn't be able to be admin on two servers.." - Imo, this is just bullshit. They might have a point where it has a lack of time. But that is up to the chosen, that to mix it up is great. And when it comes to mixing like... Being a Paruni admin & then a SA:MP admin here... It's all about mixing for the right times, even though I experienced that Paruni admins that get admin here has a lack of activity back there.
It's all about what the exact player can do with the amount of time he has in the day, me for example think I can mix it up well and be a good admin on both servers, with alot of playing time.
-iD.
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A lot of the time, on developing servers, only the admins are on. If they become an admin on a more popular server, what do you think they're gonna do?
The one which needs them will be ignored while they have fun on the popular one.
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I don't think so.. Moderators, admins and managers on other servers should get an equal hance just like the other applicants if they are active enough and if they have enough experience. So basically you're saying that (for example) Tai should get removed from the SA:MP admin team because he is a IV:MP manager? Also, these servers are less populated then SA:MP..
Written on my iPod Touch, sorry for grammar mistakes.
the less popular server will inevitably end up with less attention
read Aragorns post
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A lot of the time, on developing servers, only the admins are on. If they become an admin on a more popular server, what do you think they're gonna do?
The one which needs them will be ignored while they have fun on the popular one.
That's your opinion, but infact... Being admin on a big and popular server is alot stress, so the small one might be favourited because you can chill out more :)
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I don't care who gets accepted, as long as he (she) has a decent English skill. :D
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the less popular server will inevitably end up with less attention
read Aragorns post
Depends, happens not all the time..
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Well, in my own opinion, admin should handle properly the server he is admin on... And I agree that the best way - to be an admin on one server...
But we have another issue... While being admin on one server (sa:mp) and player wants to play on other server (IV:mp) he comes, he is not an admin there... Mostly what people will start - minimum to troll him...
Here comes that player just gets confused with his own status on Argonath... Either he is an admin on Argonath or he is a player...
Some can handle this difference, others - not... And I can understand them as well...
Admins shouldn't think that just because they are adminstrators they should be treated any different. My belief is that admins are there to help the server, not to try and control it. Some admins think that because they are an admin on say... SA:MP stunt, they should be treated higher than a Regular on SA:MP RP Argo. It's a sort of stigma I guess.
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I don't care who gets accepted, as long as he (she) has a decent English skill. :D
Not everyone can type perfect english, I can't ethier.
"You don't care". So Argonath RPG should accept someone who has been playing for one day? Or maybe accept someone who's an regular hacker?
Oh wait let's accept S***er (I filtered the name myself since I wanna puke anytime I hear his name, better to let his complete name be forgotten) if he would apply.
I'm sorry to be harsh, but you need to think twice sometimes about what you say (as I learned for en certain topic not long ago).
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Admins shouldn' think that just because they are adminstrators they should be treated any different. My belief is that admins are there to help the server, not to try and control it. Some admins think that because they are an admin on say... SA:MP stunt, they should be treated higher than a Regular on SA:MP RP Argo. It's a sort of stigma I guess.
I think you missunderstood his post an little.
Also, they are somewhat there to control it. But that could be seen in different ways. If they did not "control" it (according the the official rules, sorry that does not include OOC IC and such dumb things) then people would be breaking the official rules more often. THat does not also mean admins can sit higher then players and invent his own rules and views (also on views in an limited way. One admin could punish an player while the other admin tought that the player did not need an punishment).
Oh by the way, when admins work in an team, sometimes there is what I would call the grey zone. This means what I said above, ie one admin wants to punish while the other does not feel it was neccessary.
It's not hard to be an admin if you follow the official rules. :rules:
Be fair, if you got an buddy who has reported something he should not get priority before an another players report unless it's an report on an hacker (Or any other extremly urgent matter).
This is something people will learn when they apply for admin and becomes an moderator. Hopefully, most of them will pass and stand true to the Original Argonath vision.
Playername1: Report on an deathmatcher
Buddy/friend/gangmember/Clanmember: Report on an deathmatcher
IF you are an true admin you will pick Playername1's report first since he was first on the line to report (if there's some sort line system for sa:Mp, in mat:vc reports was said in mainchat or Personal message to an admin).
I'd also expect yourself to defend. Really, if someone is hitting you with fists, just report and then keep blocking the attacks. No need to go "OMFG DMINGER ANSWER MY REPORT U NOOB ADMIN". And if the report has not been investigated in atleast 30 seconds to 1 minute or more, then you might fight back or run. (But i'd rather run first after reporting).
IF it's an gun user, give an minium of 30 seconds and run meanwhile. If the dminger follows. Only then you might fight back.
As for last word on my this reply, I'd said Admins is not robots. Remember that.
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That's your opinion, but infact... Being admin on a big and popular server is alot stress, so the small one might be favourited because you can chill out more :)
You guys may say you can split your time between the servers.
BUT
*Aragorn recruits 10 moderators
*All 10 are also moderators somewhere else
*Each moderator effectively works half the time on the server
*Effectively meaning 5 moderators have been recruited
Moderators are there to help the server, if they are helping out more than one server, then they CANNOT DO AS MUCH, this is undeniable logic.
You can't say you'll work doubly as hard either, because if you worked doubly as hard for the full time on one server then you'd get more done also.
You should choose which server you want to help.
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Not everyone can type perfect english, I can't ethier.
Wait, since when is decent = perfect?
"You don't care". So Argonath RPG should accept someone who has been playing for one day? Or maybe accept someone who's an regular hacker?
Oh wait let's accept S***er (I filtered the name myself since I wanna puke anytime I hear his name, better to let his complete name be forgotten) if he would apply.
With "I don't care" I mean: I trust in the vision of server owners or whoever picks the new admins. I won't go bothering discussing who should or who shouldn't become an admin, since it's not my call.
I'm sorry to be harsh, but you need to think twice sometimes about what you say (as I learned for en certain topic not long ago).
Same applies to you!
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Wait, since when is decent = perfect?
With "I don't care" I mean: I trust in the vision of server owners or whoever picks the new admins. I won't go bothering discussing who should or who shouldn't become an admin, since it's not my call.
Same applies to you!
Good explonations, I accept that. kinda drunk now so yhe, anyways. Good explonations.
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Well, in my own opinion, admin should handle properly the server he is admin on... And I agree that the best way - to be an admin on one server...
But we have another issue... While being admin on one server (sa:mp) and player wants to play on other server (IV:mp) he comes, he is not an admin there... Mostly what people will start - minimum to troll him...
Here comes that player just gets confused with his own status on Argonath... Either he is an admin on Argonath or he is a player...
Some can handle this difference, others - not... And I can understand them as well...
I must reflect on this. There should be no status thoughts. We are all the same. You moderate on a server you are appointed to, and on others you act like a normal player.
If a moderator from IV:MP comes to SA:MP or vice versa he doesn't boss around or troll around.
Admins are here only to help.They are the individuals that sacrifice their time in order to help the server.All can be applied to players too!Except they do not have the commands necessary to prevent rule breaking. Players do 40% of administrators work. The /report tool is a powerful player's, not admin's tool. They contribute.
I agree with Romeo. However, if you get killed or punched by a DMer, there must be a flaw in his rule knowing. You don't go berserk Biilllyy Mayyssss in main chat "OMFG he dmin me". Report him after he kills you if its hard for you to type while he is DMing you, rather then typing moan with capitals in main chat. You won't loose anything?
DO you get a stroke when you get killed IG? Do you stop re-spawning after a player kills you? No. Take time and after he kills you, EXPLAIN it to him.
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After seeing all those applications. Man i was supprised how much some of people want this.. i can already see the competition :roll:
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There is not such thing of competition.
You are being judged on your attitude and capability to be an server administrator (moderator in first period).
Nothing to see competition about, as it's not that someone is gonna lose of win.
People are being picked to show they are capable of it.
Once inside the team, if you show competition....you fail in working with your own team.
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There is not such thing of competition.
You are being judged on your attitude and capability to be an server administrator (moderator in first period).
Nothing to see competition about, as it's not that someone is gonna lose of win.
People are being picked to show they are capable of it.
Once inside the team, if you show competition....you fail in working with your own team.
I can say based on my old job on mta:vc, that Nexxt is absolutely correct in the competition part.
It is not and never was some sort of race to see who can get lvl x admin first. It's teamwork and not some "CS frag" match.
Individual skills are important, but teamwork is so much more important.
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A lot of my friends applied and there were a huge ammount of people that applied that are less than 1 -2 months old to the server. Which is not a bad thing they may end up being better admins than all of us... But the problem I see is that most of the people that applied are not that active or they do it for other reasons.
I dont know good luck to all
When do they close?
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Good luck to all those who applied, be prepared for awesome DM in adminchat :redface:
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Oshit.
It will be like major /a spam :lol:
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Picking up new admins is a good idea in my opinion. Fresh admins with good and not tired mood, will help new players and will keep argonath clear from rulebreakers.
Just a big good luck to everyone who applied and I really feel sorry for the managers, good luck at reading all these applications :rofl:
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After seeing all those applications. Man i was supprised how much some of people want this.. i can already see the competition :roll:
I wouldnt consider it a " Competition ", but a responsability, SAMP needs a mature and friendly Administration team, and that would only be possible if those admins love SAMP, care for SAMP, and wants to bring new changes, make SAMP better.
I personally believe in some players whove got what it takes, with some good qualities, they might be the right change to Argonath, just like an upgrade, something that would make their loyalty to Argonath worth it.
Good luck holmes.
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Just a little message to some of the people who haven't been here long who applied:
Do not think that because you are less experienced you have less of a chance. Keep helping people out ingame for example and you will get noticed.
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Just a little message to some of the people who haven't been here long who applied:
Do not think that because you are less experienced you have less of a chance. Keep helping people out ingame for example and you will get noticed.
Agreed. Other than that good luck to everyone : )
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I actually want to see some more people on the administrator team, ESPECIALLY during the night time when all hell breaks loose. Also, I think the new admins should actually pay attention and do their job more then the current admins, it will show that they are willing to do what they were asked for.
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Well more administrator would mean less rulebreaker.
I never see much admins in my timezone so I hope some of the ASEAN players get accepted.
Good luck to all applicants.
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I actually want to see some more people on the administrator team, ESPECIALLY during the night time when all hell breaks loose. Also, I think the new admins should actually pay attention and do their job more then the current admins, it will show that they are willing to do what they were asked for.
/me points at matrix and erick