Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Leon. on October 12, 2010, 10:22:43 pm
-
Recently, it's come to my attention that some difference in treatment towards racism between two particular groups seems to be justified.
I'd like to start off with the average American racist shit towards both groups, starting with Mexicans. We usually joke Mexicans with "Illegal immigrant" or "taco, burrito" or call them beaners... sure it's hilarious sometimes, and we usually disregard it because it is so fucking hilarious.
Now with African Americans, when you call them n***ers, slaves ('PICK MY COTTON'), or put stereotypes on them (run, shoot, steal, jump), everyone gets all defensive about it, INCLUDING white people (IRONYYY).
I get this information from personal experience (IG and IRL). In game, we often have these "border patrols" targeting Mexicans (in roleplay) for some reason... often using things to "lure" them like "HEY I GOT A TACO!" Often, the Mexican roleplayer gets taken in the police station to check if he's legal, completely wasting his time and against his will (the threat of /su NO COMPLY), even if he actually is legal. Why? Just because he's Mexican, ese. Orale...
Now I personally have joked African Americans for some lulz myself. When I say "Nigga, pick my cotton," then I'm bound to get punished + have people get all defensive like "THAT'S RACIST" when they're not even black. Yeah, this even happens in my personal life, too, so I know it for a fact.
What's so cute about insulting Mexicans with taco and illegal immigrant jokes as opposed to doing slavery and basketball jokes? I dislike the fact that the "border patrols" can get away with discrimination (LOL TACO SO FANI LOL U MEXICAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHEAP LABOR WANNABE AMERICAN), yet I've been banned TWICE for cracking a few nigga jokes (YO N***ER PICK MY COTTON).
When I ask why I can't say "nigga" in main chat, the administrators reply that it might be offensive to some people. What the fuck? How come these guys over here can /ad [BORDER PATROL] WATCH OUT MEXICANS WE GONNA GETCHU ILLEGALS AND PUT YOU TO CHEAP LABOR right in FRONT of your fucking EYES but I can't say a general slang term for "homie"? And YES, I have been WARNED and KICKED for saying "nigga" many times.
I won't pick out any names of those people doing "border patrols", but I will include that one of them is a well trusted administrator.
And before any of you cry moan (seriously, get your own fucking word, that's Aragorn's) like the Ottoman sultan Murad cried when Milos Obilic stabbed him right into his fucking gut, there's one big fucking difference between moaning and stating a conflict that needs resolution - The conflict here is: showing favoritism towards one race than the other. MAYBE NOT INTENTIONALLY, but it still happens.
It's just like my school. They give special programs to African Americans to help further their education as minorities............
And no Grz...I'm not mad.
-
Ni*ger is an offensive term.
But I believe "nigga" is not, it's actually a friendly way which shows your effort to do not offend a certain group and that should count positively...
Still, you have a strong point regarding mexicans - it's a completely lack of respect those advertisements and what saddens me the most is that is supported by admins, maybe the same ones who enforce the rule above quoted.
There are persons who preffers to be treated by slang terms than the 'correct' and polite term(they consider it offensive).
-
its okay to joke about asians and mexicans, virtually EVERYONE, but african americans... I think you could say it ['nigga'] to an extent but if your saying the word in every 2 sentences or more, you should be warned to stop.
-
Nigger is an offensive term.
NO
-
don't see why to hate on americans so much. Other countries have certain people that are just as bad.
I have personally never seen people ingame roleplay as border patrol, and definetly havent seen all that much racist flaming in mainchat in the last year and a half. I think you should just take notice to who you are saying "n*gga" around and that you should make sure they understand its roleplaying. If you're making racist jokes in mainchat, yeah you'll prob get your ass handed to you, there are racially sensitive people and you don't wanna step on anyones toes. Jus keep it to your cb radio or local chat.
There isn't all tha tmuch racism on Argo I think. Yeah, with mexicans maybe mexican people are less racially sensitive, if you are bothered by what people say, then just report. Also, Im just curious why you prefer to say "african-american" instead of black. I know a couple black americans, I don't know anybody from africa.
-
there's no such thing as an african american, unless like, they're literally from Africa. I'm not a german-america, polish-american.
Just pointing that out ;).
Anywho, i hate people that get all offensive about racism. it's racist sure, but they're jokes. if you call me a gringo or faggot, no, i'm not offened but it's racism. honestly, if you're offened by "nigga(gyguh) pick my cotton" there's something wrong.
i don't see black or nigga offensive in anyways. i call ALL my black friends(and some white :D) nigga(er).. they don't get offended as they know i'm joking and would never mean it.
some people need to take jokes.
btw to all serious racists, THEY'RE HUMANS, JUST LIKE YOU, LIKE FUCKING SERIOUS BRO, GROW UP.
gracias.
(I have no idea what I said as i'm really tired and eating. maybe i'll delete this.
-
I hate people who can't see the humor in anything.
>Crack black joke, bunch of lols were had.
> White guy responds "OMG DAT IS OFFENSIVE, STAP IT."
> Why you mad tho crackah?
> Even more lolz
>B&
People needs to start seeing the humor in things, and not scream racism all the time. There are tons of funny black jokes, asian jokes, mexican jokes etc. I even tell black jokes to my black friends, they laugh with me. I dont laugh AT black people, I laugh at the joke.
Sure, someone pops a black joke once in a while, not a problem. I can see it becomes a problem when someone does it the entire time, though. As that might suggest that they are actualy racist and biased towards that certain race.
My opinion of the matter.
-
very nice ;)
-
Well said. I have seen this quite often but have blown it off. It should be resolved.
-
i am 100% Mexicano Cabron!
since i didn't jump the border on my way to the U.S.A i could care less if you call me beaner, or Alien, or any of your shit.. i just ignore.
at my school i call niggas'... well i call them my niggas'
nothing bad about that, although you should have some respect.
here's a Mexican B-Ball Joke..
"What do you call 2 Mexicans playing BasketBall?"
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
Juan(one) on. Juan(one)
lmao
-
I call everyone my "nigga". I don't see the problem with it as I am not referring to niggõr, I am referring to my friends or groups.
-
The people who popularized the border patrol roleplay are Rockstars clan members and former/current main admins/admins, respectively.
iaintevenmadtho
-
Never call anyone to black in game even rp or jokes or what else ,i rather use Nigguh what i found funny and not like insult.
-
This is a roleplay server. And don't tell me people in America dont get offended by racists.
Things to do if you're being offended by racists:
1) If minorly, like simply "black" or "blackf**k" within RP terms, call the cops and write a case on him.
2) If majorly, like "f**king blackf**k homo which was born in the black blood of his black mother" (oh god, that was terrific), then screenshot and send to administrators.
Section for guys: "I am offended by simply being called black/black".
Well, obviously, if you're offended by one f**king word and need to become the drama queen, how about not looking at anyone or talking to anyone or even breathing near anyone, as people may find it disturbing that you might be a 69 years old pedophile who wants to rape them, or simply they get offended by your low-persona presence, or think you're an aggresive person who needs to solve anger management problems so they keep off.
-
The people who popularized the border patrol roleplay are Rockstars clan members and former/current main admins/admins, respectively.
iaintevenmadtho
Believe it or not, he is 100% correct.
-
The people who popularized the border patrol roleplay are Rockstars clan members and former/current main admins/admins, respectively.
iaintevenmadtho
Believe it or not, he is 100% correct.
True, I have participated in it several times, myself.I don't see anything wrong in it.We are just role playing, not being racist.Neither do I see any problem in saying the word "Nigga".....Some people should just learn to take jokes.....
-
True, I have participated in it several times, myself.I don't see anything wrong in it.We are just role playing, not being racist.Neither do I see any problem in saying the word "Nigga".....Some people should just learn to take jokes.....
/me walks in and sits on the opposite side of Drillbit Taylor
/me talks
/s hey wassap Crackah'!! how are you trailer trash and shi'?
you like livin' in somone's lot? shiii'
-
Hmh ,interesting..
-
/me reads the OP
/me turns to his DPD members
/me cracks a smile and laughs
/me nods to them all, as we slowly exit the room
-
/me reads the OP
/me turns to his DPD members
/me cracks a smile and laughs
/me nods to them all, as we slowly exit the room
"Conservative" doesn't fit you anymore.
-
/me reads the OP
/me turns to his DPD members
/me cracks a smile and laughs
/me nods to them all, as we slowly exit the room
Ooops I accidentally ... the whiskey.
-
/me walks in and sits on the opposite side of Drillbit Taylor
/me talks
/s hey wassap Crackah'!! how are you trailer trash and shi'?
you like livin' in somone's lot? shiii'
*Listens to what LoCoMoToR says
*Shouts: Chea'!!
-
/me reads the OP
/me turns to his DPD members
/me cracks a smile and laughs
/me nods to them all, as we slowly exit the room
Pardon me, make that TWO trusted administrators.
Giac, you've never shown so much immaturity. People complained to the administration regarding your border patrol BS, but did they give a shit? Nah. When I started a slave trade, people reported it to the administration. Did they give a shit? Yep. Do you give a shit about your insults to the Mexicans? Nah.
Oh, and
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
Yeah, I went there.
-
I've not seen a border patrol since I got admin again so let's not begin accusations, yeah?
-
I've not seen a border patrol since I got admin again so let's not begin accusations, yeah?
Keywords: You have not seen.
You're not online 24/7, so no. Not too long ago (1 or 2 weeks ago), [Rstar]Wdoyle was doing a border patrol, SPECIALLY for Mexicans.
Your lack of respect towards the Mexican nationality truly disgusts me. And it disgusts me even further that you refuse to accept responsibility for you actions.
-
African American is a race/skin colour; Mexican is a nationality.
Border patrol? Mexico does have a border with USA, doesn't it? It's not strictly picking on THAT certain nation, it's conditioned geographically in a bigger or lesser extent.
inb4 make a immigrant patrol hunting for Canadians instead
Just because "tacos" are Mexican food, doesn't mean it's z0mg racist. It's no more mocking than laughing that Americans eat burgers, hot-dogs and french fries, Italians eat pizza or spaghetti, Poles drink vodka more than eat any food.
Though making jokes about racism/slavery+imprisonment is definitely more racist (Luweegee's cotton "joke"). Also the n-word is considered racist. You can still use it only and strictly in SLANG, but not joke and laugh at them when it's "role-played" racism.
-
African American is a race/skin colour; Mexican is a nationality.
Border patrol? Mexico does have a border with USA, doesn't it? It's not strictly picking on THAT certain nation, it's conditioned geographically in a bigger or lesser extent.
inb4 make a immigrant patrol hunting for Canadians instead
Just because "tacos" are Mexican food, doesn't mean it's z0mg racist. It's no more mocking than laughing that Americans eat burgers, hot-dogs and french fries, Italians eat pizza or spaghetti, Poles drink vodka more than eat any food.
Though making jokes about racism/slavery+imprisonment is definitely more racist (Luweegee's cotton "joke"). Also the n-word is considered racist. You can still use it only and strictly in SLANG, but not joke and laugh at them when it's "role-played" racism.
Consider this - The Mexicans consider these border patrols in Argonath RPG as discriminative against their race.
-
Consider this - The Mexicans consider these border patrols in Argonath RPG as discriminative against their race. nation
fixed a bit.
And which Mexicans? Did anyone actually from Mexico or of Mexican descent complained on this?
Also this isn't an assault on actual Mexicans and their nation, but on players playing Mexicans. Idk if that still makes sense, might edit this tomorrow.
-
And which Mexicans? Did anyone actually from Mexico or of Mexican descent complained on this?
Yes, actually. Vanceplayer, to name one.
-
Also this isn't an assault on actual Mexicans and their nation, but on players playing Mexicans. Idk if that still makes sense, might edit this tomorrow.
Your making it seem like we support IC/OOC here...and we don't. "Isn't an assault on actual Mexicans" yet...."on players playing Mexicans"... :trust: . Also Mexican is a race AND Nationality, not hard to understand that. Your theory is like saying it isn't an assault on blacks in the game if we sell them and lure them out with Food Stamps or something. Its sick no matter how you look at it, same thing as if you did it with a white person, its sick. Do you guy's find it hard to respect each other? Honestly.
- Just stating my opinion here if anyone thinks that i misunderstood everything please point it out in a Nice friendly manner. Thanks.
-
/me reads the OP
/me turns to his DPD members
/me cracks a smile and laughs
/me nods to them all, as we slowly exit the room
Seriously? and you deserve being an Admin? dam.. ain't that a female dog.
oh, and yes, USA Border Patrol is up Mexico's ass right now, if you don't believe me, watch the news, if you don't receive any news on this, than Stay Quiet and Find out before saying any bullshit, i have never offended you Australians, about your ugly bad accent, why Offend us Mexicans? :neutral:
fixed a bit.
And which Mexicans? Did anyone actually from Mexico or of Mexican descent complained on this?
Also this isn't an assault on actual Mexicans and their nation, but on players playing Mexicans. Idk if that still makes sense, might edit this tomorrow.
me fu' i'm Mexican, since i am banned, i have no proof of /ad's in game showing YOUR racis, towards my nationality, i bet on my own life you would never say that to a Mexican's face, even if you were to, you wouldn't be living longer than 1 minute,
i don't know why you offend my nationality, it's pretty sad, feels like all you Gringos, Aussies, and Europeans are hating on us, why? we don't have nothing special, but Racism, Discrimination up the ass.. i live in Arizona, all the bullshit is happening here right now..
Thanks Luigi, for Defending us Mexicans. or as i can see only me, Squeak can suck a fat one and LoCoMoToR too, those fu's ain't real Mexicans. shit.
:ps: yes, i do mean everything i have said on this Paragraph. no Regrets at all. ;)
-
Squeak can suck a fat one and LoCoMoToR too, those fu's ain't real Mexicans. shit.
Puto Tijuanero.
-
Puto Tijuanero.
I don't know what this means
but
QFT
Seriously? and you deserve being an Admin? dam.. ain't that a female dog.
oh, and yes, USA Border Patrol is up Mexico's ass right now, if you don't believe me, watch the news, if you don't receive any news on this, than Stay Quiet and Find out before saying any bullshit, i have never offended you Australians, about your ugly bad accent, why Offend us Mexicans? :neutral:
life's a biatch, deal with it.
I know damn straight about the IRL Mexican Border Patrols, and I know damn straight about everything that's happening on that border - it is NOT against the Argonath rules or vision to incorporate IRL events into RP, so stop your complaining and get on with your life.
&& ugly bad accent? :rofl: I like your wording, a lot...
If you feel offended, I seriously would encourage you to consider going to a RLRP server where you never so much as hear people talking. Perhaps then you won't get offended by every tiny little f**king RP that people decide to do.
"Conservative" doesn't fit you anymore.
Definitions of conservative on the Web:
* resistant to change
-- IRL Border Patrols have been going on for decades, you lose.
Ooops I accidentally ... the whiskey.
|:<
Pardon me, make that TWO trusted administrators.
Giac, you've never shown so much immaturity. People complained to the administration regarding your border patrol BS, but did they give a shit? Nah. When I started a slave trade, people reported it to the administration. Did they give a shit? Yep. Do you give a shit about your insults to the Mexicans? Nah.
Oh, andYeah, I went there.
I've never shown so much immaturity? You seriously don't RP much with me then. To expand on the post I made ~9 hours ago, which I wrote from my phone, I'd just like to make a few things clear...
I've only ever participated in ONE border patrol RP. Do NOT accuse the Administration of giving priority to some people over others. Did you perhaps not take into account that the way you presented your 'slave trade' was in a way that was extremely disrespectful and racist to a high degree? Admins work based on what they see in front of them. If I connect and see someone saying "f**k YOU", I'll punish them. I don't care if someone told them to go f**k a dog and shoot themself, if we don't see it or get proof that something happened, we can't do shit.
If I saw someone IG saying "Mexicans are a f**king disgusting race and should go die", do you think I'd let it go, then punish someone who said "Niggas are dirty and should get the f**k out of my country"?? Hell no! I'd punish BOTH of them the same!
You take things way out of context man, you gotta chill more. You all say blah blah accept OOC IC it is superior! It helps RP! Then how about first you accept that other people find other RPs interesting and fun?
From what I've seen on Border Patrols, they make a security checkpoint or pull people over, ask them for their documents, ask them for their country of residence, then act according to how they respond. Do you see any racism in that?
I sure as f**k don't.
Keywords: You have not seen.
You're not online 24/7, so no. Not too long ago (1 or 2 weeks ago), [Rstar]Wdoyle was doing a border patrol, SPECIALLY for Mexicans.
Your lack of respect towards the Mexican nationality truly disgusts me. And it disgusts me even further that you refuse to accept responsibility for you actions.
My lack of respect towards the Mexican Nationality? Are you shitting me? I respect every person on this Earth, regardless of their race, colour, heritage, culture or accent or any other bullshit like that. I only ever judge people based on how the INDIVIDUAL acts. If a black guy happens to stab me in the leg, I'm going to hate HIM, not every single black person I see.
Don't accuse me of such bullshit. And unless you can bring me proof that this border patrol was "SPECIALLY FOR MEXICANOOOSSSS!!!11!1shiftone!1!", stop your bullshitting.
-
it is NOT against the Argonath rules or vision to incorporate IRL events into RP
Ummm....Yea. That is against the Vision. That is like roleplaying the deportation of Jews to concentration camp's and roleplaying the Holocaust. We shouldn't have to disrespect other racial groups or nations to roleplay. We are supposed to have fun by using our imagination and creating our own scenario's that don't inquire being a jerk to other's all the time or have that being the main theme of the roleplay.
-
Ummm....Yea. That is against the Vision. That is like roleplaying the deportation of Jews to concentration camp's and roleplaying the Holocaust. We shouldn't have to disrespect other racial groups or nations to roleplay. We are supposed to have fun by using our imagination and creating our own scenario's that don't inquire being a jerk to other's all the time or have that being the main theme of the roleplay.
lol you guys certainly take the concept of "racism" and slap your own meaning on it, don't ya
--
racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
--
discrimination - unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
--
abuse - mistreat: treat badly
---
prejudice - influence (somebody's) opinion in advance
--
SO, with this definition in mind, do you see ANY discriminatory behaviour? ANY abusive behaviour? ANY prejudice?
No, so why the fuck are you going around crying "U SO RACIST!!!"??
-
spic spic spic
cracker cracker cracker
honkey honkey honkey
gook gook gook
kike kike kike
OH LOOK N*GGER GETS CENCORED WHILE OTHER RACIST SLANGS DON'T
And no, I'm not racist. I have huge respect for quite a few colored people.
-
How the hell is saying black racist?
It's a skin tone.
-
Why everyone ignored my post:
This is a roleplay server. And don't tell me people in America dont get offended by racists.
Things to do if you're being offended by racists:
1) If minorly, like simply "black" or "blackf**k" within RP terms, call the cops and write a case on him.
2) If majorly, like "f**king blackf**k homo which was born in the black blood of his black mother" (oh god, that was terrific), then screenshot and send to administrators.
Section for guys: "I am offended by simply being called black/black".
Well, obviously, if you're offended by one f**king word and need to become the drama queen, how about not looking at anyone or talking to anyone or even breathing near anyone, as people may find it disturbing that you might be a 69 years old pedophile who wants to rape them, or simply they get offended by your low-persona presence, or think you're an aggresive person who needs to solve anger management problems so they keep off.
-
lol you guys certainly take the concept of "racism" and slap your own meaning on it, don't ya
-----------
SO, with this definition in mind, do you see ANY discriminatory behaviour? ANY abusive behaviour? ANY prejudice?
No, so why the f**k are you going around crying "U SO RACIST!!!"??
You serious? You don't see any discriminatory or racial abusive behavior when cops act like 'Immigration patrol' and randomly pick up Mexicans because...they are Mexican(Great reason). Get out of denial and read man. I hate repeating myself.
-
fixed a bit.
And which Mexicans? Did anyone actually from Mexico or of Mexican descent complained on this?
Also this isn't an assault on actual Mexicans and their nation, but on players playing Mexicans. Idk if that still makes sense, might edit this tomorrow.
Oh so you say if they dont see it why should we not do it? So if no admins see us dm and hack we should do it? right?
How is this only assault on 'players playing mexicans' ? and even if so, how does it make it any less bad? what if i roleplay a african american guy, everyone should come and call me a [n] and beat me? Since i'm only roleplaying an african american?
-
You all say blah blah accept OOC IC it is superior! It helps RP!
That's where you went wrong.
life's a biatch, deal with it.
Yeah. We have rules too that you are not exempt from. Deal with it.
I know damn straight about the IRL Mexican Border Patrols, and I know damn straight about everything that's happening on that border
it is NOT against the Argonath rules or vision to incorporate IRL events into RP
[/quote]Okay, then let me incorporate my slave trade, holocaust, and Japanese-American internment camp roleplays.
-
Puto Tijuanero.
Calmate Negrito Cucurumbe, :lol:
You're a wanna be niggah, look at the way you act.
ohh and Aprende a limpiarte el culo wey, before talking to me. ;)
-
I agree Leon, it seems to me lately that some of the administration team backs up police even if they make slightly racist jokes (Personal expieriernce, not giving any names), I was recently pulled over by a white police officer who came to my window and said "Whats up n*gger" and called me "Ganton scum", yes it's racist, I'm white IRL but RP an African American gangster IG, I think all this sh*t about Mexicans with tacos and burritos shoudl be treated as racist as calling someone a n*gger or saying "pick my cotton", I hate racism and since when do police lur Mexicans in by saying "Selling Tacos" etc, I used to be a Cadet and was involved with a border patrol, I was told to go off duty, get a mexican skin and lur mexicans in with "/ad Selling: Taccos and burritos, it is slightly racist....
-
inb4giacpicksoutthehighlyirrelevantquot ebbcodefail
ITT: we learn that giac is surprisingly ignorant
-
Difference is that there are players that are actually playing immigrants so the border patrol can catch them.
I don't think you'd find any players wanting to be a death-camp inmate.
-
Okay, then let me incorporate my slave trade, holocaust, and Japanese-American internment camp roleplays.
Do you see me telling you that you can't?
-
Difference is that there are players that are actually playing immigrants so the border patrol can catch them.
I don't think you'd find any players wanting to be a death-camp inmate.
Wrong. I know quite a few people (one being myself) that have been pulled over and taken to Jail by Immigration patrol for being Mexican. One simple answer....just don't do it, just like you don't see Leon selling black people anymore.
Do you see me telling you that you can't?
A Moderator like you may say it is ok, but an Admin and manager say it's not....hmmm i think the manager has more authority out of the 3.
-
black black black
spic spic spic
cracker cracker cracker
honkey honkey honkey
gook gook gook
kike kike kike
raghead raghead raghead
OH LOOK N*GGER GETS CENCORED WHILE OTHER RACIST SLANGS DON'T
If the god damn blacks don't want to live in an advanced society they can just go back to living in clay huts and dying of starvation. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to the black community.
And no, I'm not racist. I have huge respect for quite a few colored people.
Good point
-
Do you see me telling you that you can't?
The rules tell me I can't.
:wow: NO WAY
-
-
Troll posts removed
What troll posts?
-
If my warning level was increased for the above post, I wasn't being sarcastic.