Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Murdock on October 27, 2010, 11:05:26 pm
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Just wanted to say a few things.
Many times when i got DM'ed, carjacked, false-acused, I reported. I didn't moan on main chat, I report. As admins and rules tell me to do.
Now, I dont remember recently, that I reported and something was done about the rule-brake I witnessed.
In fact, in my opinion the /report command is totaly useless unless there is a nice admin who will ACTUALY HELP to the simple players.
And its not like they are busy. Many times I reported, admins didn't do a thing, and I see them talking bullshit and laughing it up while just standing in 1 place jumping around.
Now i'll say this in simple language:
Admins, EITHER YOU START TAKING CARE OF THE PLAYERS YOUR "ADMINISTRATING" AND "MODERATING" EITHER QUIT YOUR DUTY AND GO HOME.\
this aint a discussion so,
thank you and good night.
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FOR THE SMART ASSES:
Yes, i know i can report to the higher administartion, refrain from posting related posts.
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Quite simple actually. We did not see the event happen, we did not witness it and we may get to the report late and just see a player driving around.
We cannot act on something we did not see with our own eyes....
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1. Why the hell do people keep making these (moan) threads in SA:MP general?
2. Give the admins some time to respond, they are getting flooded with reports and alerts in chat.
3. Patience, my dear, patience.
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Quite simple actually. We did not see the event happen, we did not witness it and we may get to the report late and just see a player driving around.
We cannot act on something we did not see with our own eyes....
http://www.iqtest.com/ (http://www.iqtest.com/)
after people begun gaining rights (end of 18th century) a simple thing came up, called investigation.
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1. Why the hell do people keep making these (moan) threads in SA:MP general?
2. Give the admins some time to respond, they are getting flooded with reports and alerts in chat.
3. Patience, my dear, patience.
Many times I reported, admins didn't do a thing, and I see them talking bullshit and laughing it up while just standing in 1 place jumping around.
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after people begun gaining rights (end of 18th century) a simple thing came up, called investigation.
Please explain to me, how should we investigate?
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Dave is correct. Consider it an "innocent until proven guilty" kind of thing.
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And its not like they are busy. Many times I reported, admins didn't do a thing, and I see them talking bullshit and laughing it up while just standing in 1 place jumping around.
Ahem.. :)
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FOR THE SMART ASSES:
Yes, i know i can report to the higher administartion, refrain from posting related posts.
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Please explain to me, how should we investigate?
great admin, called bluefox, once invesigated me, and the guy who dMed me. also, 2 witnesses were there and eventualy the guy who DMed got banned.
Leon, admins job is to see if they are guilty or not.
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That might have happend Murdock, but from my side, something i've learnd is to never trust anyone in a situation. Simply because most likely, someone of them will twist the history of what happend to their favour.
Consider it an "innocent until proven guilty" kind of thing.
That is correct. If we didn't see it, we can't give out punishments, for the reason what i posted above.
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great admin, called bluefox, once invesigated me, and the guy who dMed me. also, 2 witnesses were there and eventualy the guy who DMed got banned.
Leon, admins job is to see if they are guilty or not.
Our job is to uphold the rules of the server and visions of the community, not to spend half an hour deciding whether player A punched player B because player B said "i hate cops".
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Leon, admins job is to see if they are guilty or not.
That's really their choice. Their job is to see if any rulebreaks are occurring at the time. It's totally up to the admin to actually go deeper into the situation to see what the fuck happened, however, most do not have that kind of time. They have to divide their attention before ADMINS PLZ READ REPORT comes along. Even if they do go deeper into the situation, they can't use admin commands unless they literally saw what happened. The most they can do is tell them not to do it again...
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That's really their choice. Their job is to see if any rulebreaks are occurring at the time. It's totally up to the admin to actually go deeper into the situation to see what the f**k happened, however, most do not have that kind of time. They have to divide their attention before ADMINS PLZ READ REPORT comes along. Even if they do go deeper into the situation, they can't use admin commands unless they literally saw what happened. The most they can do is tell them not to do it again...
Exactly. Believe it or not, most admin punishment and action goes unseen by the entirety of the server.
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great admin, called bluefox, once invesigated me, and the guy who dMed me. also, 2 witnesses were there and eventualy the guy who DMed got banned.
thought bluefox takes actions first then investigates...
@Murdock: its not that admins dont want to investigate, its that sometimes when they see certain reports they choose to ignore as they dont know the rules what is wrong and right in that situation. i've seen admins making up rules and when we refer to them what was said in forum they simply say "Do not argue with me, enough"...
Some are just less informed, no offense
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Useless topic or useless complainer?
To be honest, anyone who opens up another "useless" topic, is quite "useless" for our community.
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what a disgrace this is to the Gvardia name
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what a disgrace this is to the Gvardia name
We all went through it once upon a time. Murdock hasn't, though. He's gotten it out of his system now, and he's got the reasoning behind the non-responding admins (or what it seems to be :cool:).
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We all went through it once upon a time. Murdock hasn't, though. He's gotten it out of his system now, and he's got the reasoning behind the non-responding admins (or what it seems to be :cool:).
If he can tell others right from wrong he should know it himself. Didnt post that to be meanm but its just the way i feel
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Useless topic or useless complainer?
To be honest, anyone who opens up another "useless" topic, is quite "useless" for our community.
THIS.
Yes, sometimes the administrators react slowly. Reasons:
1) Depending on the ammount of staff online, they have to handle more than one report.
2) maybe you can't even see if they react on your report - Maybe, when they spectate, they don't see anything happenin
[email protected] for complaint regarding admins
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That might have happend Murdock, but from my side, something i've learnd is to never trust anyone in a situation. Simply because most likely, someone of them will twist the history of what happend to their favour.
That is correct. If we didn't see it, we can't give out punishments, for the reason what i posted above.
So you are basacly saying,i don't know who is guilty so i dont give a fuck. And wont do anything?
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Murdock what the fuck are you talking about? Useless admin? Who the hell do you think you are? We're working voluntary to help players and you call us useless? Stop being ingrate and think about it.
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So you are basacly saying,i don't know who is guilty so i dont give a f**k. And wont do anything?
Yep. Why waste our time? There is alot more going on that one silly little report on a carjacking that happened 15 minutes ago relevent to when the person keeps spamming /report every minute.
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So you are basacly saying,i don't know who is guilty so i dont give a f**k. And wont do anything?
No, but i dont trust them either to 100%, simply because they are humans. We mods and admins dont got access to the logs, we dont know what happend before and what started it, so we can't know to 100%. If i see someone reporting another player for DM, and that player isn't doing it from what i can see, what should i do? Start a investigation which can take up to a hour, talk with everyone that was there, requesting logcheck to see what happend before? and that's for every report we get about someone DM'ing? That's impossible, we simply dont got that time if we are only 1 or 2 mods / admins online on 120+ players, and you can imagine how it is being alone on the server as a mod / admin and everyone is asking you for help.
Why even report if a new player is DM'ing? Simply tell him to stop, tell him it's a RP server and tell him the basics of roleplay and how to utilize /me. I've done it, and it has worked in 90% of the cases. and by doing it, you are actually helping us with taking off some work of our shoulders so we can help those who really need help and protect the server from hackers.
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People must realize SOMETHING.
You may NOT demand from an admin to punish a player just cause you saw him doing something OR he did something to you, so you will chill off seeing him getting punished.
I do NEVER respond to PMs such as: Warn that guy, he flamed me or such as Kick him, he hit me.
When you use /report - KEEP IN MIND
- Keep in mind we are HUMAN ! Mistakes may and can happen! (Also we have our own life, so if there are many admins on, and only a few are responding don't go around : OMG ADMINS USELESS)
- Secondly, We need to WITNESS the reported guy ACTING the reported thing. We can NOT in anyway punish any player for just "was reported for car jacking" message. We get PMs for that, and yet still.. We will just ignore them.
- Never flame a person while on /report, You cause the admins to loose interest in your report simply cause you brake the rules your self while reporting another person
- Never but never use the /report against an admin to piss him off or either for fun, /report is an command which exists for REAL Reports and not fun.
- Never Spam the /report... Using Chat and (^) + Reporting the same thing for more than 3 times in raw, Will earn you a kick, instead of having your report looked. (At least for me.)
I could sit here, listing even more, but I believe these are the most important...
As for useless admins, admins are TOLD that in anyway if they do WANT to roleplay, they must go to their non admin account (I am not mentioning moderators here.)
The account with the admin rights, is clearly there for doing admin duties.. that's the priority.
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pffts,
Locked.
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Admins work, and work even TOO much... Sometimes, watching the admins team on server I catch myself on a thought that I am guilty the guys cannot get a fun from the game they like (GTA), but had to sit and answer on everything, investigating, helping, the same time listening to some dumbs who black paint their work...
Was that supposed when they were buying the game? No...
Here are some people who do not like that they were called moaners...
How else to call people, if about everything they just start crying...
Was Argonath thinking there will be times when the half of server will moan even about some stupid car ram? No... Was Argonath thinking there will be crying about meeting some noob dmer? No...
And i am fucking tired to read such a shit, when people cannot handle themselves the MULTI-PLAYER functions like relations with others or contacts... And just come and shit admins team and owners of servers...
Either some people get the idea what is the fucking MULTI-PLAYER, or they can go to play single mode if they cannot accept there are different people from different countries with their cockroaches in the head...