Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Romeo on November 14, 2010, 06:32:31 pm
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Okay. I'd like to know why the Peaceful Protest at LSAP consisted of a lot of cops and civilians DMing each other/everyone around them for no good reason?
I was kicked for 'moaning' for asking what the point of the massive TDM was so I thought i'd come on here and ask instead. I came to LSAP to see what the mass
population was gathered there for and I was instantly suspected for 'sniping' as I was viewing the situation with my video camera, then I was DMed by both freecops and veteran police officers without as much as a handgun in my inventory. IF anyone knows what the point of this pathetic event was please, I'd really like to know.
This is in no way intended to be a 'moaning' topic, I'd only like to know what the reason for it was.
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I'd say that the reason was the small brain capacity or the training they (cops) recieved. Seriously, things like these happen all the time, I'm used to it.. As they say: /gu and ask for investigation.
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Frank had the best intention. He coordinated members through CB all the time.
Newcomers cannot be controlled, and you know it. I was watching the event and I have seen how the free officers and protesters act.
Rivens, yo dawg, how about you don't insult free officers? Its bad for your health, you'll get a peptic ulcer.
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Cause protests all (or most) end in a shoot-out why protest at the same locations everytime, infact why protest at all do it when the President is online maybe he'll even attend lol.
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Apparently the police came with the intentions of killing the protestors(according to an anonymous police informant.)
I myself witnessed police officers under the supervision of several dutied administrators opening fire on Civilians. I'm only wondering
if this even was an intended TDM or did it only end up like this due to an error from the protestors/cops?
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Apparently the police came with the intentions of killing the protestors(according to an anonymous police informant.)
I myself witnessed police officers under the supervision of several dutied administrators opening fire on Civilians. I'm only wondering
if this even was an intended TDM or did it only end up like this due to an error from the protestors/cops?
I saw messages from Jcs and a few other officers warning them not to shoot or suspect and pull back.
Tragic really. It happens.
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Don't want any problems with cops? Don't protest!
Simple as that
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Don't want any problems with cops? Don't protest!
Simple as that
As he said above:
I came to LSAP to see what the mass
population was gathered there for and I was instantly suspected for 'sniping' as I was viewing the situation with my video camera
But you are absolutely right. People should be more careful as misunderstandings happen.
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I hope some excuse 'But its SRU' or some crap... read my sig.
Should talk to Chiefs about it, obviously some cops did not know the procedure, or just did it to ruin the whole thing.
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What is this SRU Anyway? Something like wannabe SWAT?
There is ARPD,there is FBI,there is SWAT,there is SAFD,isnt this Enough? :poke:
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Don't want any problems with cops? Don't protest!
Simple as that
I believe the point of the excersize was to point out that we had problems with certain cops. I just don't understand why it had to turn out the way it did. I came along(like many others) to protest peacefully.
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Why? It was against SRU! Thats why...
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I've been to about two of these SRU closure protest things, and too be honest some of the members trying to protest, yes indeed they do just fire at cops trying to have fun killing them and dying. But most of them who are doing nothing but just sitting, laying around, or standing, get suspected for *firing* or *sniping and all that. Too be honest I do find these so called *protests* that some of the people fire and ruin it, but not all fire back and yet cops do still murder every orange little thing to they /gu. So really, what's the point of these protests, they end in killing, disaster, and pointless since come on, we all know SRU won't close after we have had about 5 of these protests before.
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Why? It was against SRU! Thats why...
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Note: To get to the point, scroll down.
If I was able to command the cops, I would have encouraged leaving the protesting group alone so they would get bored and disperse, with minimum amount of casualties on all sides. Also, I am a believer that cops create a lot more crime than they prevent usually because of poor decisions or just that they don't know better. Oh, and most cops are sadistic and get fun out of jailing and killing citizens as opposed to helping them (ofc there are a lot of jails and kills that are deserved, but not all).
So lets assess these peaceful protests. A group of civilians form an illegal protest somewhere. Now, most of our cops do have mental issues, in that they want to check and probe civilians randomly to assert their power, even if the said civilian has displayed no suspicious activities at all - we are in the age of the random harassment stops where even the law abiding are pulled over. So just imagine when a whole group of civilians gather! OOoooooh, the cops get really excited.
Chances are there will be some really minor crimes going on cause of the numbers, probability of a bad guy hiding in there is very high. And they are illegal protests remember so cops have their excuse to shoot at least. This is a very delicate situation. One cop or one criminal could start a small war by taking a single potshot. So, the sensible thing you would think would be to try have a small group of cops that are not threatening the civilian groups come and survey the situation. Talk to the protesters, see what they want, try negotiate and convince them to disband and go home, and form a legal protest sometime. If successful, they go home and situation is over.
The next step would be to approach the rioters with melee weapons and organised ranged backup. You don't wanna threaten them too much or they may attack, but you want to have a show of force, at this point, the protesters may be more convinced to give up, or they may attack. If they attack, then you are close enough to start beating them to death, which encourages them to start shooting each other, and this is when your ranged backup is available to start backing you up with guns.
Unfortunately, it is a delicate situation, like I said, and so the sensible thing that SAPD thinks to do, is arm every single cop with heavy weapons, readying to exterminate the civilians. Also, from what I witnessed, it is always more likely the cops will shoot first to provoke the civilians into fighting back. This is bound to happen when you have so many un organised and disloyal players on your side (this is the cop side). So the cops roll up en masse with all these weapons to announce that they just gonna kill the protesters if they don't stop doing their minor crime of protesting (although most protesters probably just bored students). WW3 breaks out.
The point.
Obviously everyone knows from the start the protesters are armed in a non RP way. We know there would be lots of shooting, so SAPD does really have to get prepared. Everyone has a big shootout in a closed area with some very basic RP basis, but lots of teamwork on both sides. Obviously there could be a lot more RP involved, but everyone has a lot of fun and it is not everyday you get to play "in synch" with a team based shootout on such a large scale.
Although I stated above what I would do if I had enough command over cops, what I did in the end was completely different. Nothing else was happening, so I got my tactical vehicle - a packer. After having fun racing millions of SAPD cars through the streets of LS to get to chase all the protesters who were going to LSAP, I decided I would help out and destroy the protesters car barricade, and then pounce with my sword. Although I lagged out for a while and missed all the shooting :P.
So why does it happen? Players have fun, and it is not disrupting others. Has a very basic roleplay element, but most of all involves lots of teamwork which means everyone feels involved.
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Corleone once decided to aid Frank Hawk in one of his protests. He called us all to Whillowfield Ammunation where we bought $25 baseball bats, and met at Idlewood. From Idlewood, we walked towards Los Santos City Hall. Along the way, even though no one was violent, many were suspected and killed.. Even at City Hall where everyone was stood in a line, the cops blocked off the area and suspected everyone.
No matter how peaceful your protest is, some cops are too narcissistic to allow it.
Example in point:Don't want any problems with cops? Don't protest!
Simple as that
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and I was instantly suspected for 'sniping' as I was viewing the situation with my video camera, then I was DMed by both freecops and veteran police officers without as much as a handgun in my inventory.
Though it's not that hard to differ a sniper from a camera, you had the image of a possible sniper, that's because you were expected to back up the protestors in a possible copkilling fest.
No, I am not saying that was your intention. It's because the ''get a combat and start shooting'' (not just criminals, both sides actually just got into that) became too common these days. I can say that myself as a cop, I never give the chance of doubt or w/e it's called. I always rely on the possibility that the guy I'm dealing with is likely to get a Combat and start shooting. It's unevitable to generalize, it's called self protection.
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Hi, tomorrow at around 9 o' clock in the morning you will see a video i made out of the massacre that took place at LSAP today. I was hiding under a ramp and turned on my camhack and fraps, as i thought this would be some perfect stuff for my new movie project. The video will contain the beginning at Unity Station, and end up at LSAP, where i could see from the very beginning that the police officers started off shooting randomly against the protestors. I'll probably post it here, if not, check out my Youtube channel, under the same name as here on the forums. I'll name it, "Argonath RPG - Chaos".
Have a nice evening.
~ AlexStruck.
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A next organized DM protest will be met with banning the organizer.
With a DM protest I mean one where the protesters are requested to build a barricade in order to shoot at cops, and are given loads of weapons.
SAPD is authorized to break up such protests with Hunter and Hydra.
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I have one question.
Can I fly the hunter and hydra?
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As Gandalf kinda said, protesting is not arming up with firearms to "reach" a goal. Protesting does mostly not involve any hard action. However, these days protesting is combined with arming up, blocking, shooting and more stuff..
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A next organized DM protest will be met with banning the organizer.
With a DM protest I mean one where the protesters are requested to build a barricade in order to shoot at cops, and are given loads of weapons.
SAPD is authorized to break up such protests with Hunter and Hydra.
They said we DMed but they shot first :lol:
BTW here is a video
Law Enforcement vs. Jungle Call (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cejfnIkzt-U#)
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I have one question.
Can I fly the hunter and hydra?
I believe not.. because of the SAPD Regulations on using it.. Unless a High administrator gave it to you.. I dont believe so. Could be wrong.
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They said we DMed but they shot first :lol:
lol if u were still ancelotti u would be going apeshit against cops. checkmate
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I have one question.
Can I fly the hunter and hydra?
no
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no
why omg.
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lol if u were still ancelotti u would be going apeshit against cops. checkmate
:ps: And here comes moaner Jamal with his standard posting procedure "Hooray! Lets shit again!"
Check Mate :lol:
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why omg.
Read my post ^^^^^
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They said we DMed but they shot first :lol:
BTW here is a video
Law Enforcement vs. Jungle Call (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cejfnIkzt-U#)
You encouraged all of the cops to come and kill,because they'd get free guns and armour.
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You encouraged all of the cops to come and kill,because they'd get free guns and armour.
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You encouraged all of the cops to come and kill,because they'd get free guns and armour.
Most of the cops(80%) came on their own accord with their own guns and armour, so get all of your facts correct correct before posting something
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You encouraged all of the cops to come and kill,because they'd get free guns and armour.
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If It had became a shootout I assume it was cops fault...
Why? Offering free armour and snipers to each cop who comes instead of organizing an experienced team to deal with the situation.
Now imagine if R9 offered $5000 to each criminal who appears :lol:
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Please realise that protest doesn't always give you a win, it results in other situations aswell.
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What i'm wondering is, Since the command to get free armour and weapon are restricted, isn't it supposed that those who can use it should have it, and not those who can't use it?
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I was there and no-one from the protest that was protesting shot. Romeo and a few Ancelotti members were in a Maverick and were suspected for something ridiculous like shooting. I then got in a Maverick with Milos and our Maverick was shot down even though none of us were suspect and weren't close to any other suspects. None of us had got out of the Maverick either. As for the claim that the cops came out of free-will, that would be bullshit of the first grade as Ben_Samiir was kicked by Jeffrey for you know what just before the protest officially started. Ninety percent of the server's cops had M4 and armour and I think anyone who thinks that people will believe that they weren't /weaponequiped is quite frankly an idiot. Frank Hawk informed all protesters that any suspects would not be allowed to protest and that the protesters must not display any weapons. Mistakes were made by both parties and I look forward to both sides attempting to eradicate them.
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Good that you've posted the video Aldo.It shows that both parts are same guilty for the same F**king trouble.
SRU could've shown cleverness,in avoiding this and following average duty.And the others should use /report ...
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Boys boys.
Argonath RPG - Chaos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hRuLFv5Qu4#)
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Hmm, im wondering why, each I was in the CB, you went to ammunation, and at least the last time Frank Hawk said; Buy a lot of weapons, especially sniper. Didnt you think it would end in a big shootout? Why did everyone of you get armor, if you didnt want to get killed?
Good that you've posted the video Aldo.It shows that both parts are same guilty for the same F**king trouble.
SRU could've shown cleverness,in avoiding this and following average duty.And the others should use /report ...
The criminals could also show their cleverness by not going to ammunation, or not even using weapons at all.
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The criminals could also show their cleverness by not going to ammunation, or not even using weapons at all.
Yeah,might be true.But i wasnt aware of how THAT action went on so ... :roll:
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Gosh, we are not here to kill, we are here to save lifes, and about that Romeo and Michael was in a helicopter behind us, I have no idea why Romeo got shot, but Michael was aiming with a m4/ak47 and that was taken as treat, so he got shot.
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A next organized DM protest will be met with banning the organizer.
With a DM protest I mean one where the protesters are requested to build a barricade in order to shoot at cops, and are given loads of weapons.
SAPD is authorized to break up such protests with Hunter and Hydra.
You do realize the organizer was our former Community Manager Frank Hawk, backed up by iMunna?
They said we DMed but they shot first :lol:
We shot first?
*sneezes*
Sorry, I am allergic to bullshit.
You guys were shooting at a civilian, I repeat, CIVILIAN crowd of people.
I myself got suspected for "Aim" when I didn't even have weapons equipped and was crouching behind a car.
And you know why? Because 4-5 different cops had me in the sniper scope and they needed someone to suspect me so that they would not get fined for killing a civilian.
Get real.
Kkthxbai.
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Hmm, im wondering why, each I was in the CB, you went to ammunation, and at least the last time Frank Hawk said; Buy a lot of weapons, especially sniper. Didnt you think it would end in a big shootout? Why did everyone of you get armor, if you didnt want to get killed?
The criminals could also show their cleverness by not going to ammunation, or not even using weapons at all.
You were in the channel for ten seconds before getting banned.
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You do realize the organizer was our former Community Manager Frank Hawk, backed up by iMunna?
Yes, and that does not change the clear thing I said that the next time it is organized in a similar way the organizer will be banned.