Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Cane on November 25, 2010, 09:49:36 pm
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So I've heard a so-called 'rule' today from SafetyMoose. According to him, players are not allowed to "talk back" to an administrator. So what does "talking back" actually mean? I have been kicked and temp-banned for asking, in public chat, why we are restricted from talking back (in a polite way, as a matter of fact). When was this rule created? Also, were my actions actually punishable? This is far too confusing.
:ps: "Disrespect. Go learn some." - You just told me to go learn how to disrespect someone, congratulations.
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"Talking back" is a term for being a cheeky fucker.
Example - Your parents tell you to go to bed, but you're all like "No, but why should I?".
Or something like that, it's just not nice
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it's just not nice
Players aren't allowed to question administrative actions, simply because it isn't "nice"? That's an odd rule.
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It makes it impossible to explain yourself sometimes to an admin.
You have to go against what he said to give your side of the story or prove something, suddenly your talking back or disrespecting. Or if you question what he does, i.e. make a provoking statement to someone. You call him on it and you will end up being punished. PS when i say 'call him on it' like 'Don't provoke.'
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"Talking back" is a term for being a cheeky f**ker.
Example - Your parents tell you to go to bed, but you're all like "No, but why should I?".
Or something like that, it's just not nice
Yeah - because admins are now my parents...
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Admins are infallible.
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This comes as in, NO commenting to punishments... not even of your own.
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Yeah - because admins are now my parents...
Exactly.. Fuck them they ain't my parents, and you can ban me for this shit, idnt give a flying fuck.
also, if you're in main chat arguing with some "Admin" and you end up winning the arguement, you instantly get kicked, i've seen it happen many times..
for EXAMPLE!!!
ADMIN:(1337)YOU'RE NEVER RIGHT!! I AM!
PLAYER:(0) no, but i was just telling you what happened, my side of the story, and you never responded to any of my reports
ADMIN:(1337) I CAN'T ACCEPT DEFEAT!
PLAYER has been banned by ADMIN(1337) for go learn some manners.
don't try sticking your head up my ass over this shit.
it's fucking true.
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This comes as in, NO commenting to punishments... not even of your own.
So there is no way of proving them wrong? Are the administrators so perfect that we can't even correct them?
(I am, of course, talking about your own punishment)
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This comes as in, NO commenting to punishments... not even of your own.
In some cases in the past, this has extended to punishments for unknown offences that the player is not allowed to know about.
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Do not question an Admin's perogative, end of story.
If you really feel a dire need to explain yourself though, approach the admin in a polite manner. Many players just say "stupid admin, listen for fucking once". No wonder they're banned.
If you think an admin has abused his powers, send a complaint to the email and let the Owners take action. They hired the admins, they can fire them too.
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approach the admin in a polite manner.
:D
Tried that technique...
Even if you write the most politely way possible:
Dear administrator,
I do not agree with the punishment you gave me, could I get more details?
What oftenly happens? You're called a moaner.
By simply saying: "I do not agree".
Or as yourself said:
Do not question an Admin's perogative, end of story.
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You are not supposed to question admin punishments as it can lead to moanrathons and flame wars.
Some admins though will listen more than others, but taking advantage of them is the last thing you should do.
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An email would have been more appropriate holmes.
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You are not supposed to question admin punishments as it can lead to moanrathons and flame wars.
Decide yourself xD.
approach the admin in a polite manner.
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Do not moan that some admins are wrong or something,because you made that with your hand,all of you know just how to moan in them pm,after that banned,etc.
Maybe if you give an e-mail the owner will take care of it.But no,let's moan because is funny to see the whole server how smart ass i am !
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Why should you not talk back to admins ?
1. Admins are humans and can make mistakes.
And guess what? If they make one they are the first to admit it and say sorry, often even in public chat. Just check how many times a regular player tells another player sorry for an action that he wrongly did, and how many times admins apoligize for their mistakes.
2. Admins are often short in time.
As admin you are required to respond to reports. Also you are required to check death messages, specate possible rulebreakers and keep up with other present admins. This means that it is a busy job.
Now you can feel you need to take 5 or 10 minutes to discuss your case, but remember that in that time a number of reports will not be answered, and hackers might get away. Is that what you are after, just to explain that you feel you lost some seconds of game time that you did not deserve ? Please get over yourself and thing of others.
3. Admins know the rules.
It may surprise you, but admins actually know the server rules. Now you may think that you read somewhere on a forum a post that you think can be explained in a way that you might have the possibility to do somehing for which you were punished. Guess what ? Admins get daily 10 players trying to do the same, and it always ends up the same way.
4. Admins might actually have seen what happened when they punished your friend.
Contrary to the belief that admins are playing cards while occasionally staring at the screen and typing a punishment randomly, they are actually working. Sometimes admins spectate a player that was reported for a long time, in order to see his behaviour. And guess what ? This may lead to admins seeing a situation develop and then taking action. If your friend starts raging on MSN or TeamSpeak about how unfair the admin was, remember that he may just try to hide his own mistakes by blaming others.
Talking back does not help. It does not help you, as punishment was already given. It does not help others, as while you are discussing you disturb the admin from working properly. It does not help the admin, as when they get irritated chances of mistakes rise. And it does not help the server as it creates a negative attitude.
If you feel that an admin crossed the line of good behaviour, write a mail. We do read all reports, even the ones you never get an answer on. In fact, 5 people are reading them.
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1. Admins are humans and can make mistakes.
And guess what? If they make one they are the first to admit it and say sorry, often even in public chat. Just check how many times a regular player tells another player sorry for an action that he wrongly did, and how many times admins apoligize for their mistakes.
I do not blame them for their mistakes.
2. Admins are often short in time.
As admin you are required to respond to reports. Also you are required to check death messages, specate possible rulebreakers and keep up with other present admins. This means that it is a busy job.
Often times there are other administrators available; if not, I wouldn't bother them. (In today's case, however, there were plenty.)
Is that what you are after, just to explain that you feel you lost some seconds of game time that you did not deserve ? Please get over yourself and thing of others.
That is not the point I am trying to make here, Gandalf. The few 'seconds of game time' that I 'did not deserve' does not matter - it is the fact that most administrators punish you for their attempts of explaining their situation. In my opinion, a simple "Tell me your story later" would satisfy.
3. Admins know the rules.
It may surprise you, but admins actually know the server rules. Now you may think that you read somewhere on a forum a post that you think can be explained in a way that you might have the possibility to do somehing for which you were punished. Guess what ? Admins get daily 10 players trying to do the same, and it always ends up the same way.
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Please clarify whenever possible.
4. Admins might actually have seen what happened when they punished your friend.
Contrary to the belief that admins are playing cards while occasionally staring at the screen and typing a punishment randomly, they are actually working. Sometimes admins spectate a player that was reported for a long time, in order to see his behaviour. And guess what ? This may lead to admins seeing a situation develop and then taking action. If your friend starts raging on MSN or TeamSpeak about how unfair the admin was, remember that he may just try to hide his own mistakes by blaming others.
I am aware of the protocol of administrative work, Gandalf. However, the focused circumstances of the original topic post was about the punishment towards myself.
Talking back does not help. It does not help you, as punishment was already given. It does not help others, as while you are discussing you disturb the admin from working properly. It does not help the admin, as when they get irritated chances of mistakes rise. And it does not help the server as it creates a negative attitude.
Does asking questions that relate to the incident count as "talking back"? If so, must we use the e-mail for every time this happens? Because, to my understanding, you are telling the players to report the administrator(s) via e-mail if one should think that he or she has done something wrong.
If you feel that an admin crossed the line of good behaviour, write a mail. We do read all reports, even the ones you never get an answer on. In fact, 5 people are reading them.
Despite my points of argument, I thank you for your response.
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If they make one they are the first to admit it and say sorry, often even in public chat.
LOL
That's why their status as an admin gives their reputation more a priority of protecting than players when they make mistakes (E.g., Chuck's topic in SA:MP General that is DELETED), right?
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Why should you not talk back to admins ?
1. Admins are humans and can make mistakes.
And guess what? If they make one they are the first to admit it and say sorry, often even in public chat. Just check how many times a regular player tells another player sorry for an action that he wrongly did, and how many times admins apoligize for their mistakes.
Lol. Completely the opposite.
2. Admins are often short in time.
As admin you are required to respond to reports. Also you are required to check death messages, specate possible rulebreakers and keep up with other present admins. This means that it is a busy job.
Now you can feel you need to take 5 or 10 minutes to discuss your case, but remember that in that time a number of reports will not be answered, and hackers might get away. Is that what you are after, just to explain that you feel you lost some seconds of game time that you did not deserve ? Please get over yourself and thing of others.
What if admins don't listen and end up banning you for a reason that has not be investigated?
3. Admins know the rules.
It may surprise you, but admins actually know the server rules. Now you may think that you read somewhere on a forum a post that you think can be explained in a way that you might have the possibility to do somehing for which you were punished. Guess what ? Admins get daily 10 players trying to do the same, and it always ends up the same way.
I had an admin DM me before.
Talking back does not help. It does not help you, as punishment was already given. It does not help others, as while you are discussing you disturb the admin from working properly. It does not help the admin, as when they get irritated chances of mistakes rise. And it does not help the server as it creates a negative attitude.
If you feel that an admin crossed the line of good behaviour, write a mail. We do read all reports, even the ones you never get an answer on. In fact, 5 people are reading them.
Sometimes, you trying getting a clear argument, but ended up getting punished for no reason. It kinda gets aggrovating ya know.
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what? did you tempban me for this post Rock?
huh? or was it something else?
Exactly.. f**k them they ain't my parents, and you can ban me for this shit, idnt give a flying f**k.
also, if you're in main chat arguing with some "Admin" and you end up winning the arguement, you instantly get kicked, i've seen it happen many times..
for EXAMPLE!!!
ADMIN:(1337)YOU'RE NEVER RIGHT!! I AM!
PLAYER:(0) no, but i was just telling you what happened, my side of the story, and you never responded to any of my reports
ADMIN:(1337) I CAN'T ACCEPT DEFEAT!
PLAYER has been banned by ADMIN(1337) for go learn some manners.
don't try sticking your head up my ass over this shit.
it's f**king true.
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What if admins don't listen and end up banning you for a reason that has not be investigated?
That's why [email protected] exist.
I had an admin DM me before.
Most likely been a joke between you and the admin..
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Keep this topic clean, fellas, I don't want this trashed.
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Say that to Antonio and Locomotor.
As far as everyone is concerned, Gandalf has already clarified it all.
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As far as everyone is concerned, Gandalf has already clarified it all.
Yes, however I already pointed out the single inaccurate or off-course statement which should not have to be named, as it is just above.
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Why should you not talk back to admins ?
1. Admins are humans and can make mistakes.
And guess what? If they make one they are the first to admit it and say sorry, often even in public chat. Just check how many times a regular player tells another player sorry for an action that he wrongly did, and how many times admins apoligize for their mistakes.
LOLLLLL, are you serious?
3. Admins know the rules.
It may surprise you, but admins actually know the server rules. Now you may think that you read somewhere on a forum a post that you think can be explained in a way that you might have the possibility to do somehing for which you were punished. Guess what ? Admins get daily 10 players trying to do the same, and it always ends up the same way.
If you feel that an admin crossed the line of good behaviour, write a mail. We do read all reports, even the ones you never get an answer on. In fact, 5 people are reading them.
Oh, please. Read them? Probably. Do something about them? Clearly not. When was the last time u actually punished someone? U kicked hwaldar after receiving what, 150 reports of him? rofl
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Hwaldar was not kicked for the reports.
If you do not like the server and its administration, LEAVE.
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Say that to Antonio and Locomotor.
As far as everyone is concerned, Gandalf has already clarified it all.
i be loco, holmes.
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Hwaldar was not kicked for the reports.
If you do not like the server and its administration, LEAVE.
Ok, thanks for confirming that the reports are getting ignored
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Say that to Antonio and Locomotor.
As far as everyone is concerned, Gandalf has already clarified it all.
I can't post here?
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I've been kicked and or wared several times, i find that if you talk nicely to the admin or mod they will respond nicely, the admin will respond in kind. But yes, there are some admins that will overeact, just think about how much stress they are under,especially when it's 1 admin per 30+ people.
Stress causes people to over react, and admins Can't see everything,so try being nice, but if nothing else works just shut up and take the warning. It could be worse...
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I've been kicked and or wared several times, i find that if you talk nicely to the admin or mod they will respond nicely, the admin will respond in kind. But yes, there are some admins that will overeact, just think about how much stress they are under,especially when it's 1 admin per 30+ people.
Stress causes people to over react, and admins Can't see everything,so try being nice, but if nothing else works just shut up and take the warning. It could be worse...
i always just shut up and take the warning, but as far as my other topic, i just want an explanation..
i really didn't want a tempban... i just want an answer to, what did i do to deserve that tempban.... nothing else...
you have a point here.
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First off, Locomotor, if you got any complaint against an admin, email it to samp@argonath togheter with evidence, or you can put down your bullshit and be quiet since i do NOT want to see any bullshit against me or any other admin. We are working FOR FREE to protect you, answering reports and answering questions. If you so hate us, do not use /Report next time you are getting carjacked / DM'ed or whatever, since why would we help you?
For your interest, what you posted on the first page is complete BULLSHIT.
Now, back to the topic.
Approach the admin in a polite manner. From me, if someone is saying to me "why the fuck did you warn me" I'm either ignoring them if i'm busy, telling them to calm down in PM or simply kicking them saying come back when you are calm. As Gandalf stated, if we are having alot of things to do at the moment, we simply dont got time to answering and then you must respect it and not continue "ANSWER ME FUCKER" or something in that manner.
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so many ways i could just embarass you here but i won't.
one thing though, don't try to say "What a troll" after this shit.
since you don't like the BULLSHIT.
why are you in an Admin position? you work FOR FREE? lmao! what? you EXPECT TO GET PAID! for getting a special rank in a game!?! are you kidding me? seriously...
and don't tell me who to email. what i gotta say, i'll say it in here, the forums, and if i could, to YOUR FACE!
oh, and i CAN and WILL /report whenever i feel like it.. ;)
ohh,, and remember that "Rule" that you can't tell anyone to "Shut up" of "Be Quiet"
well guess what, FOLLOW IT,
did i ever say, my first post was against you? here let me quote it for you..
ADMIN:(1337)YOU'RE NEVER RIGHT!! I AM!
PLAYER:(0) no, but i was just telling you what happened, my side of the story, and you never responded to any of my reports
ADMIN:(1337) I CAN'T ACCEPT DEFEAT!
PLAYER has been banned by ADMIN(1337) for go learn some manners.
kinda' makes me wonder if you were the one that did something similar.. :roll:
I DO HAVE BALLS, AND I WILL USE THEM.
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I do not blame them for their mistakes.
Often times there are other administrators available; if not, I wouldn't bother them. (In today's case, however, there were plenty.)
That is not the point I am trying to make here, Gandalf. The few 'seconds of game time' that I 'did not deserve' does not matter - it is the fact that most administrators punish you for their attempts of explaining their situation. In my opinion, a simple "Tell me your story later" would satisfy.
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Please clarify whenever possible.
I am aware of the protocol of administrative work, Gandalf. However, the focused circumstances of the original topic post was about the punishment towards myself.
Does asking questions that relate to the incident count as "talking back"? If so, must we use the e-mail for every time this happens? Because, to my understanding, you are telling the players to report the administrator(s) via e-mail if one should think that he or she has done something wrong.
Despite my points of argument, I thank you for your response.
If you get warned and do not understand than the first thing you should do is go to two topics:
1. Server rules
2. Cralrifications from developers
If for any reason the situation why you were punished is not found there, you can either ask the question there or send a mail.
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LOL
That's why their status as an admin gives their reputation more a priority of protecting than players when they make mistakes (E.g., Chuck's topic in SA:MP General that is DELETED), right?
Chucks topic was not deleted because hos actions were a mistake. It was deleted because the group was so afraid their reputation would be hurt by the topic remaining that they requested deletion, and after all points were handled I agreed to that.
Whenever they want, the topic can be brought back.
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so many ways i could just embarass you here but i won't.
one thing though, don't try to say "What a troll" after this shit.
since you don't like the why are you in an Admin position? you work FOR FREE? lmao! what? you EXPECT TO GET PAID! for getting a special rank in a game!?! are you kidding me? seriously...
and don't tell me who to email. what i gotta say, i'll say it in here, the forums, and if i could, to YOUR FACE!
oh, and i CAN and WILL /report whenever i feel like it.. ;)
ohh,, and remember that "Rule" that you can't tell anyone to "Shut up" of "Be Quiet"
well guess what, FOLLOW IT,
did i ever say, my first post was against you? here let me quote it for you.. kinda' makes me wonder if you were the one that did something similar.. :roll:
I DO HAVE BALLS, AND I WILL USE THEM.
You do not understand that admin does not mean a special rank in game. Until you do, better stay away.
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@Loco:
Courage =/= Folly
I would love to see what Aragorn would do to you. :devroll:
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I saw that Gandalf clarified this thing,I think the topic can be locked.I am tired of topics like that.
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You do not understand that admin does not mean a special rank in game. Until you do, better stay away.
oh trust me, i know what it's like, i know what all the stress is like, but i don't go around telling players "moan,moan,moan," hell, i know that some of these Admins/Mods don't even wanna go in game, and pray to god, before they enter the game. Why? because of all The "Moaners" in game, i'm not moaning, i'm just unleashing a rebellion here. why? because if these players won't step up, I WILL!
@Loco:
Courage =/= Folly
I would love to see what Aragorn would do to you. :devroll:
oh, you come back again, after a defeat, a big one too,
what is he gonna do? Tell me off, in so many ways? or is he gonna Route ban me from forums and server? :roll:
since you couldn't do SHIT against me, you're gonna call your pals out on me?
gonna' bring all your friends out on me? face it, no one on the forums likes you, you screwed up, only friends you have are on the administration team, can't deny me that one. :D
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oh, you come back again, after a defeat, a big one too,
what is he gonna do? Tell me off, in so many ways? or is he gonna Route ban me from forums and server? :roll:
since you couldn't do SHIT against me, you're gonna call your pals out on me?
gonna' bring all your friends out on me? face it, no one on the forums likes you, you screwed up, only friends you have are on the administration team, can't deny me that one. :D
Do not provoke jdc,and you say that you know the rules ROFL.
And Locomotor,for me with this topic you become more pathetic every day till this will be locked. ;)
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oh, you come back again, after a defeat, a big one too,
what is he gonna do? Tell me off, in so many ways? or is he gonna Route ban me from forums and server? :roll:
since you couldn't do SHIT against me, you're gonna call your pals out on me?
gonna' bring all your friends out on me? face it, no one on the forums likes you, you screwed up, only friends you have are on the administration team, can't deny me that one. :D
Acting like a "gangster" on a forum wont help you for a shit, nor are you gonna get respect for it. Grow up and stop act like a juvenile who think he's something.
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Locomotor ;
I don't think you have any idea what your talking about. About this subject, and many others related to ingame, You, for one, should keep your thoughts for yourself, before you're going to end up banned, which i can tell, in this way, wont take a very long time. Judging at the way you talk, you wouldn't care, but i think that would change after such punishment. This will be my last reply to you in this topic, there is no use in replying to my message, it would most likely make things worse for you. Also, ''Forum Games'' is there for a reason. Since you think this is just a game of evading punishment, getting ''defeated'' or ''winning'' I think you'd enjoy playing games there. That way you wont get yourself in trouble.
As for ''talking back to an admin'' ;
First of; The way a large percentage of the topic disagrees with Gandalfs statement suprises me. That is actually the way it is, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. Of course, You haven't experienced it, so you are not fully to blame... But i'd deffinately recommend just ''trusting'' the fact Gandalf stated. It will make stuff easier for everyone.
Talking to an administrator about recent punishment against you or your friends, in my opinion, would cause me to think, ''argh, a a moaner'' or something. That is because, as Gandalf stated, I get atleast 10 of these PM's in 2 hours. Pick your words carefully when replying to your punishment. Being rude will be considered moaning in most cases but, Being to polite like ''GoodDay Kind Sir'' or w/e is just annoying and might be seen as provoking, depending on who's saying it, because, wheter you're a known provoker or new to the server, it matters.
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Sauron give me administator rights to lock this topic fo'ever. :pop:
Btw,Salmonella about what happes yesterday or this days...you know you can't run,you know i will find you and i will cut your balls !! muhaha :lol: :lol:
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Btw,Salmonella about what happes yesterday or this days...you know you can't run,you know i will find you and i will cut your balls !! muhaha :lol: :lol:
Hahaha Yeah i remember xD, We'll see what happens :)
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Do not question an Admin's perogative, end of story.
If you really feel a dire need to explain yourself though, approach the admin in a polite manner. Many players just say "stupid admin, listen for f**king once".
When I try to calmly, with all manners, talk to admins in PM about punishment and explain the story (OFCIOURSE IF IM SOMEHOW CONNECTED TO IT, not random punishments of others' players), they threaten me with ban and tell me that I'm not allowed to express my self. Exception was with Team_JayL.
I mean, what the fuck? When you might be right, you are still wrong? And who'd like to play with administrators like this?
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If nobody can comment their action. Why does then warn-kick-ban message sends to every player in the game? DO AS ARGONATH WAS IN THE BEGINNING THEN! WHEN ONLY ADMINISTRATION COULD SEE THE FUCKING MESSAGE! END OF STORY!
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Message is there for all to see so that people would not repeat the mistake made by one person and claim that they didn't know it was allowed.
Altair, take a look at clarification with devs topic and see if your situation was shown there. If it is not there post your situation there and wait for the reply.
The topic question has been answered, locked.
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oh trust me, i know what it's like, i know what all the stress is like, but i don't go around telling players "moan,moan,moan," hell, i know that some of these Admins/Mods don't even wanna go in game, and pray to god, before they enter the game. Why? because of all The "Moaners" in game, i'm not moaning, i'm just unleashing a rebellion here. why? because if these players won't step up, I WILL!
Remember the server owners are Russian. In Russia those starting a rebellion will either be shot or disappear.