Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: JDC on December 27, 2010, 07:06:51 am
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As I have had quite some time to think recently, I have been contemplating the effects of a Role Reversal on the server.
What if Cops and Criminals switched roles for one week? How will this benefit or damage the server?
I have some things in mind, although I would be interested in hearing some input first.
Lastly, please keep this topic Moan Free.
/discuss
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It goes against the Argonath vision.
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In what manner? Assuming this it not a forced event and the server would agree to it, please enlighten me as to what Point of the Argonath Vision this would violate.
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Good idea.
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In what manner? Assuming this it not a forced event and the server would agree to it, please enlighten me as to what Point of the Argonath Vision this would violate.
Point 6
Good idea. I support it.
Only if we get hunter and hydra access though.
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If everyone would agree to participate, then it won't be an event which is forced on them, thus leaving no danger of a Point 6 violation.
As for access, it should be a reversal in every sense of the word. I'd like to see how some criminals will react to having to work under strict protocol and how some cops would react to having all their protocols suddenly removed.
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Supported
Only if we get hunter and hydra access though.
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If the criminals became cops, they would have to work under the same protocol as we do, and face the same punishments for abuse.
Secondly, I'd like too see their opinion of each other after this happens. :)
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If the criminals became cops, they would have to work under the same protocol as we do, and face the same punishments for abuse.
Sure.
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If everyone would agree to participate, then it won't be an event which is forced on them, thus leaving no danger of a Point 6 violation.
As for access, it should be a reversal in every sense of the word. I'd like to see how some criminals will react to having to work under strict protocol and how some cops would react to having all their protocols suddenly removed.
>protocol
what protocol
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I cannot speak for ARPD Officers, but I know for a fact that the FBI work under quite a set of rules.
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I cannot speak for ARPD Officers, but I know for a fact that the FBI work under quite a set of rules.
ofc fbi does thats why you're not in a total shitstorm
cough
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Actually, our new cadet wave is going quite well and progress is relatively positive.
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Actually, our new cadet wave is going quite well and progress is relatively positive.
lol ok i guess i can agree on that
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K, but I'm gonna be FBI Director.
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K, but I'm gonna be FBI Director.
this also mean swe get all info on gvardia and shit
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this also mean swe get all info on gvardia and shit
And I get to make FBI a huge fucking army for a week, and get to show some people how it would be if some of the lethal killer criminals got free weapons :L
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Violet is already FBI Director.
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I like how JDC wants to do something that would help inter-character relations and you guys are just kidding about all the advantages you reckon we get. Sure I'd participate, it'd be fun having no restrictions for once, being able to do whatever I wanted whenever.
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70% of population are cops, 30 % are criminals
Now imagine reversal.
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70% of population are cops, 30 % are criminals
Now imagine reversal.
I got the answer for your question:
30% of population will be cops, 70% will be criminals
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If cops are as horrible as some criminals claim them to be, I guess the Reversed Law Enforcement should have on trouble taking care of them.
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Civilians have always been free to choose. o.o
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K, but I'm gonna be FBI Director.
It's Reserved for Violet!!
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Oh, I'm so flattered :cop: :cop: :cop:
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This idea in my ears sounds funny and amusing, but I wouldn't do it for 1 week, 1 day or more would be fun.
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Supported only If I get to be fbi okty
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I am disappointed with the topic. I thought the reversal would be for admins and players. :devroll:
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This would be even better.
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Civilians have always been free to choose. o.o
Nothing to chose, that's against the Argonath Vision, as you are free to roleplay whatever you want.
And not "chose" cop or criminal.
/duh
I am disappointed with the topic. I thought the reversal would be for admins and players. :devroll:
Sure, when you wanna switch with me? :rofl:
No but serious, you say that but I think it's really good to put the people who moan on admin as admin for 1 week or something.
They will realise they can't handle it themselves (and if they are good you can keep them >_<)
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I thought the reversal would be for admins and players. :devroll:
Please don't :help:
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OP 10|10
Brilliant.
I want to be a SWAT operative and do traffic stops with my lads who can self /equip, kthnx.
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THIS WOULD COMPROMISE NATIONAL SECURITY
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This would compromise national security
And who gives a shit anyway?
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And who gives a shit anyway?
Which organisation do you think? lol
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This would compromise national security
>implying all criminals and cops switching sides is within RP and therefore within "national security" bounds
And who gives a shit anyway?
Good idea. To be honest I'll be most interested in what cops oppose the idea, since it'll be clear that they don't want to become disadvantaged for the week.
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Yeah suppose criminals could work under SAPD/SWAT/FBI rules and what not and see how they do.
I'm all in favour of switching roles.
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Sure if I get to be an FBI Agent. :L
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I'm only wondering why isn't switching roles a daily standard and why players sit and rot in one role that they often hate so much.
It's not like it's forbidden by any rules to be someone else every 5 minutes.
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So when do we start?
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So when do we start?
Indeed.
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So when do we start?
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So when do we start?
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i do both types of RP so no change for me really :D
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i do both types of RP so no change for me really :D
You're a cop.
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>implying all criminals and cops switching sides is within RP and therefore within "national security" bounds
LOL someone does not understand sacarsm.
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>attempt sarcasm over internet
>don't make it obvious in any way
>act surprised when nobody gets it
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>attempt sarcasm over internet
>don't make it obvious in any way
>act surprised when nobody gets it
wat
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I am disappointed with the topic. I thought the reversal would be for admins and players. :devroll:
Sure, I'll participate.
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I'm both sides :D
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I'm both sides :D
NUM NUM :D
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NUM NUM indeed :D
If this will happen...expect something interesting...
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I THOUGHT U SAID U BEEN THERE DONE THAT HURRR
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Nice idea. Although I've been role-playing a cop this week.
I'm down for it. ;)
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We'll need everyone to agree to this, like on 9/11 crime free day.
@Gandalf:
That idea sounds good too... although there would be so many admins and too little players, and the admins will barely have work to do... then they will start turning on each other! :banana:
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Alright, i'll be LSPD Chief.
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Meh, I'll participate as long as ARPD officers can use combats.
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Yeah suppose criminals could work under SAPD/SWAT/FBI rules and what not and see how they do.
I'm all in favour of switching roles.
>Implying we won't be freecops
>Implying we won't give a shit and just break them anyway just to become freecops
>Implying we can't be sneaky little fucks like the current people already are, minus the "fucks" part
You guys always say that you have zomgstrict rules. Lol, and who follows those shits intentionally? We have zomgstrict disadvantages. Enjoy us fucking with you with our damn hydras just because we enjoy seeing you cry when you get your ass blown up. Sound familiar? I hope it does. Look down. Now look back up. You're a criminal. I blow you up with hydra after you killed a crappy-combat-trained officer with your fists. You cry. Your dignity is gone. I lol. Look down, now look back up, look at me. I'm the one being blown up and you're the one loling.
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Freecops don't get hydras. ._.
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Alright, i'll be LSPD Chief.
And I'll be captain/SWAT command.
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Freecops don't get hydras. ._.
giveashit why
we can still abuse with valid crimes and they have no proof to prove themselves innocent
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We'll need everyone to agree to this, like on 9/11 crime free day.
@Gandalf:
That idea sounds good too... although there would be so many admins and too little players, and the admins will barely have work to do... then they will start turning on each other! :banana:
speaking about prejudging people, how you know when it never has been tried?
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gimme dat weaponequip :skull:
Would be cool, I doubt it will happen though. :(
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RP IT
Switching roles won't make it better either,at some point.Because sooner or later the whole action will escalate into a DM party.Thats my view.What the others think ... no idea.
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As long as I get a high enough rank to spawn a hydra and to weaponequip, I am absolutely fine :D
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I'm sure everyone's pretty much aware that of all the cops,only about 15 or less get aircraft access, and barely half use it?
Many of the people in this topic are the reasons admin rights and aircraft access have been so heavily restricted...
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Well considering most the people in this topic have never recieved admin rights or 'plane' rights, they should not be judged, don't you think JDC?
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Let's say you were all applying for jobs in a government company, and the company staff looked at your curriculum vitae or resume.
"I'm fine with working for your company, as long as I get high enough rank to manage your R&D division."
"The other suckers outside this company can enjoy being abused for valid reasons using my newly found powers, once I get into your company."
Those applications speak highly of their makers, don't they? Would the company give them a job? :roll:
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But this is a Role Reversal topic, so its opposite right?
This is also a very trollable topic. So people post random shit on here :D
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Since this is a role reversal idea, cops will have to be in the criminals' shoes and criminals will have to be in the cops' shoes.
That means criminals who participate will have to play by cop rules and vice versa. This is about seeing things from the other side, not using the other side's powers to get revenge on them.
Maybe then criminals will stop complaining that the police department is so shitty and cops will stop complaining that mafias are nothing but organized DM groups, after all of them see how hard is is to run their respective roles.
Think of how this can change the players in the server.
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Imagine this now, I can predict this...
Cops all end up using Combat Shotgun, all the Criminals get Admin Punished for Revenge Killing
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If the cops know that they have become criminals and the criminals know that they have become cops, I'm sure they should have to adjust.
If not, expect mobsters to walk up to you and arrest you for something. :lol:
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Citizens Arrest? :lol:
We would see a lot more Criminals chasing cops around. :rofl:
Nah, seriously, Cops and Criminals swapping wouldn't make too much of a difference in my opinion, however, Admins and players swapping... :help:
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Keep on topic, this is about Cops and Criminals. :)
Not make much difference! You should have noticed by now that cops and criminals are at each other's throats, even after the jail or death. It carries on to the forums.
If they saw how hard it was to live the other's life, then maybe the complaints will decrease dramatically and they would develop a mutual respect for each other.
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I have experienced both, Mainly in Stracci, Marlen and my own group Deleon as a criminal.
Seriously, whatever side you are on, you get angry at the other side.
For example, I was still in Stracci and had a go at being a cop for a day, the criminals drove me NUTS.
Just depends what character you are RPing at the time
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The targets of this event are those people who are known to stick consistently to one side for a long, long time.
For example, the mob leaders.
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Was Violet Corleone an FBI Director?
Because they would know both sides :D
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Violet was never actually an FBI Director, it's more of a self-bestowed honorary title. :)
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Ah, I was getting confused. :lol:
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Keep on topic, this is about Cops and Criminals. :)
This is against argonath Vision.
I been a criminal group, it was called Mexican Militia
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Violet was never actually an FBI Director, it's more of a self-bestowed honorary title. :)
Lies, you shall be demoted to FBI Cadet in due course. In addition I was in the VC:PD FBI from 2008 to 2009 after I decided that I should dedicate my time towards the criminals in San Andreas as FBI Director :cop:
I will sort out the FBI, this time for good - just give me a week :pop:
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So what? I change skin and stand in front of DPD for a week?
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Oh cool Luigi's post is being ignored
Pls quote it and try to make a point against it so you can get humiliated pls
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aircraft access have been so heavily restricted...
>Be Maxy_Araatus
>Forget to grab guns
>Get hydra sent after you
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Since this is a role reversal idea, cops will have to be in the criminals' shoes and criminals will have to be in the cops' shoes.
That means criminals who participate will have to play by cop rules and vice versa. This is about seeing things from the other side, not using the other side's powers to get revenge on them.
Maybe then criminals will stop complaining that the police department is so shitty and cops will stop complaining that mafias are nothing but organized DM groups, after all of them see how hard is is to run their respective roles.
Think of how this can change the players in the server.
But the police department is s
nvm kidding
What cop rules? Freecops have, what, 4 restrictions and over 20 new opportunities to abuse against suspects? I can guarantee the new-found criminals will cry and bitch about the ridiculous opportunities cops have that suspects do not have more in one day than we ever have in our entire Argonath lives.
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Ever kept in mind that Freecops have been abusing because most regulars prefer to shit on them (like you now, chea') rather than teach them how to work properly?
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Ever kept in mind that Freecops have been abusing because most regulars prefer to shit on them (like you now, chea') rather than teach them how to work properly?
How does pointing out the truth make it shitting on them? Some admins, despite the majority of them being very very cool people, are always PMS and do nothing but complain how hard their job is. This only applies to a very minute minority, and is true for that minority, but does it really make it shitting on them?
Hold up, let me just go ahead and unzip my pants.
I usually do attempt to teach new players about how to work properly. Although it is true that some plainly don't give a fuck, this is exaggerated too much...
Suspecting for valid crimes even though you've done nothing related to it, e.g., being AFK, is completely intentional in the first place, not ignorance.
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Another thing came into my mind :P
If this happens most of the Police will be in SWAT.
Ex - Everyone from Stracci, Gvardia, some Ancelottis and some other Shooters will be in SWAT :lol:
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Ever kept in mind that Freecops have been abusing because most regulars prefer to shit on them (like you now, chea') rather than teach them how to work properly?
If you want trained cops, then remove freecops all together and make them join the SAPD, the way it should be...
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It's probably true that either side will always want to complain about the other.
If the crims' ever wanted to have a go at our lives, then you can start at the bottom and work your way up and do everything that we had to do to get where we are!
And the cops can try and take the abuse and use the freedom to try something.
For some reason I see a big 207 with every ARPD Officer as the kidnappers and the crims' all in lightblue coming after us. :)
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SUPPORTED
Maybe i can abuse you and pancher and vince and others while I'm on duty :D :hah: :banana: :devroll:
:cop: :cop: :cop: :cop:
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Not every trained freecop has to be in SAPD... I have seen some freecops who are very polite and do their jobs well.
No, I don't mean the Undercover Admins. Those guys usually pose as rogue freecops.
As for some freecops deliberately abusing, get off your high horse and treat them like real humans instead of shitting on them. Maybe they will finally be nice to you.
New players know how to keep gratitude for regulars who help them... same goes for grudges.
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Shitting on them? Lol.
I was chillin with Araatus two days ago. Mr. Xyra drives by on his bike across the road- note I'm stuck in a corner behind the fence many meters away from him- and suspects me for "assault." I have no idea who the fuck who he is, and his /whenmade was that day. When I tried to come forth and explain he did wrong and how to correct himself in the future, he just sat there and lol'd. When I attempted to contact an admin regarding the abuse, he claimed I shot at him with the guns I literally forgot I had (I had thought Squeak had kamikazed me by then :lol:).
This is not a complaint, but an actual example. Again, I had no idea who the fuck he was and gave no reason at all for him to suspect me. Of course, I had to end up escaping because everybody prefers to take the cop's because they think "zomfg he saw it i didnt he must be rite."
He shat on me. Who gives a shit, I'm just a fucking regular. The moment you get labeled a regular, you're the fucking shit of the server. Admins ban you much more easily for the stupid shit, you automatically become the scum of the server if you don't set your soul to helping new players robot-like, and people like you think new players are better than everybody. But do you care? Nah. He's a new player.
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MAN JUST RP IT!
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MAN JUST RP IT!
Regulars don't get the right to RP. We must help new players!!!111 Cuz if we don't, we'll get new player worshippers like JDC on our asses in .5 seconds!
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freedom
Enjoy not being able to car kill
Enjoy not being able to have free guns
Enjoy not having Hydras and /weaponequip-ready officers available 24/7
Enjoy expensive gas
Enjoy buying cars
Enjoy not having the right to non-evidential innocence
Enjoy not having the right to being the righter
Enjoy not getting rewarded for DM
Must I go on?
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I am not a new player worshipper... but for a regular who knows more than them, you sure are fucking arrogant towards them.
Before you complain once again about that rogue freecop who abused you and the oh-so-biased admins and players who like to take cop side all the time, let's not play blind to the numerous rulebreakers who randomly shot and deathmatched cops and citizen simply because they are ZOMG-badass criminals or mafia boys like yourself.
Not so immaculate now, are you?
AND YES I AM f**kING MAD... I expected better from you, Leon. Even Violet's lengthy arguments never upset me.
You pissed off JDC for the first time in ages. Congratulations.
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Gratz Leon :lol:
On the other hand, Why should we get a role reversal? people can just be whatever they want. Nothing to be forced of and agreed of.
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I am disappointed with the topic. I thought the reversal would be for admins and players. :devroll:
I like the sound of this one :roll:
Anyway, on-topic...
There could be a topic where anyone who wants to be part of the reversal says they do, as to not violate Point 6 of the Argonath Vision.
These names could be split into 'Cop' and 'Criminal' and you randomly switch people from each side. It would have to be equal on each side, so there would need to be limited spaces. This would stop the 30%/70% issue discussed earlier in the topic, and would mean no-one has been forced RP.
It could be a proper SA:MP Event! :D
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You pissed off JDC for the first time in ages. Congratulations.
:lol: Okay, I'll admit I was being a dick and went too far there.
I'll be serious now and not be the stereotypical anti-Argonath guy, regardless of how lolish it was and how many people believed me and took my side.
Doing this role change might actually be f**king hilarious, but annoying. Imagine a parent-kid role change. The parent is more than likely going to pretend to try to be what they think of their kid (e.g., the little whiney bitch who does nothing but cry and go NO to everything) and the kid is going to be what they think of their parents (e.g., the one who yells over nothing and always grounds). Because of this, it would accomplish nothing... the previous-criminals would be HEY WE DONT DO THAT and the previous-cops would do the same. It'd be just like the OMG COPS DM and OMG CRIMINALS DM thing. One another thinks they do the same, denying that their group of people also does it.
AND YES I AM f**kING MAD...
C'mon. I never use that stupid meme UMAD unless in response to another UMAD'er.
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Enjoy not being able to car kill
Enjoy not being able to have free guns
Enjoy not having Hydras and /weaponequip-ready officers available 24/7
Enjoy expensive gas
Enjoy buying cars
Enjoy not having the right to non-evidential innocence
Enjoy not having the right to being the righter
Enjoy not getting rewarded for DM
Must I go on?
I honestly have no recollection of me running a criminal over before.
I have my own guns, I pay for some on duty aswell
No hydras aren't availiable 24/7 it's used when career crims' do the same shit as usual and use an NRG and run after killing anything that moves.
No, weaponequip is only used when something that normal cops can't handle, happens. Such as, I dunno; a bunch of people killing anything that moves.
I always forget about police gas stations, I buy most of mine from GS9, where I forget that I get shot when I go there.
I have my own cars which I use constantly, whenever I'm a civilian, I get suspected and have to escape.
Everytime I've been suspected and I surrender, I get brought in and investigated (Maybe because I'm lucky, and no, before you call foul. It's always ARPD Officers I don't even know investigating me - hell if I got you and you RPed a situation with me, I'd probably unsuspect you if you RPed well)
Not even sure what you mean by righter.
Have you seen me kill a civilian for no reason? No, everytime it's a suspect who refuses to surrender and decides to run on foot and die instead.
I respect a chase, RP and all that like any other person. I have fun being a criminal and police officer, I love the teamwork of being an officer and stress when evading police.
Why can't you see that we aren't all bad, and without one another we wouldn't even have this kind of RP?
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So like, Corleone/Ancelotti/Stracci/Gvardia leaders will b SWAT and ARPD leaders?! And the other way around?!
Seriously tough this sounds cool.
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I honestly have no recollection of me running a criminal over before.
Good. You're a dignified sushi.
Why can't you see that we aren't all bad, and without one another we wouldn't even have this kind of RP?
I only said it to lol with JDC.
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Will never happen.
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Stop treating newplayers as children...
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Stop treating newplayers as children...
Treat it like a child... it'll become a child.
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DADDY, I WANT MY CANDY! NOW!!!!
Getting back on topic... if this event is carried out, it would be a chance for criminals to try and outshine cops at what they do, and vice versa. Most of them will fail and realize how hard it is to be in the other's shoes.
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I belive this is good, if possible :P
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sry4pisuof
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DADDY, I WANT MY CANDY! NOW!!!!
Getting back on topic... if this event is carried out, it would be a chance for criminals to try and outshine cops at what they do, and vice versa. Most of them will fail and realize how hard it is to be in the other's shoes.
Just make sure I am FBI Director and I'll be sure to shut you up as you will resign from the FBI with shame.
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Just make sure I am FBI Director and I'll be sure to shut you up as you will resign from the FBI with shame.
damn you so ice-cold mayn
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I would love to see Violet outshine Fernando as an FBI Director.
Assuming it was possible. :evil:
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would be cool...
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I would love to see Violet outshine Fernando as an FBI Director.
Assuming it was possible. :evil:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2damxlj.png)
Assuming I haven't already done so in the bomb threat at DPD today.
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LMAO
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2damxlj.png)
Assuming I haven't already done so in the bomb threat at DPD today.
Excellent progress... but I've done better myself in the past. :)
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2damxlj.png)
Assuming I haven't already done so in the bomb threat at DPD today.
I paint SWAT Trucks like that.
Asforthetopic:Itmightnotworkbecausepeopleareverystran geanddontlikedoingsuchstuffunlessitgive sthemvirtualdollar
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I paint SWAT Trucks like that.
Asforthetopic:Itmightnotworkbecausepeopleareverystran geanddontlikedoingsuchstuffunlessitgive sthemvirtualdollar
A lot of people have already agreed to do so on this topic.
Although I can't become a cop anytime soon, cop-banned for another 20 days :(
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Alot of people agreed to be good at 9/11 too,but that didnt work out as well as they expected
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A lot of people have already agreed to do so on this topic.
Although I can't become a cop anytime soon, cop-banned for another 20 days :(
Aren't you the guy who said that Corleone members are highly experienced cops? :bow:
:razz:
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Aren't you the guy who said that Corleone members are highly experienced cops? :bow:
:razz:
He was cop-banned but that doesn't mean he isn't a good cop. He wasn't even on duty when he was cop-banned and the ban was not a result of any abuse or lack of knowledge of regulations.
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Aren't you the guy who said that Corleone members are highly experienced cops? :bow:
:razz:
Outline where I said that. ;)
:razz:
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I wanna switch roles with Eugene get all his :money: :money: :money:
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Will never happen.
You read my mind.
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>protocol
what protocol
ARPD officers are supposed to follow a set of rules and protocol, but dont, and no officer under the rank of Senior Officer has read these rules and protocol.
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ARPD officers are supposed to follow a set of rules and protocol, but dont, and no officer under the rank of Senior Officer has read these rules and protocol.
If knowledge of this was required for junior officers..they would surely have read it.
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If knowledge of this was required for junior officers..they would surely have read it.
Freecops cant be fucked going onto the forum obviously.
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Some things to remember... I hear alot about people abusing their powers... I assume it is all jokes... but if you were actually to do that they would be removed...
To the guy above whom said something about the SWAT Ranchers getting Painted... Not possible so .... yea
I also hear alot about Criminals with Hydras and combat and all this stuff... Yes... but you need to Remember the purpose of this topic....
You are going to be doing our job..... so you cant go around blasting people to hell with combat... arrest people.... and Roleplay (I hear from dramatic over exaggerations Cops Dont rp... so pretend you are all in SFPD...)
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Freecops cant be f**ked going onto the forum obviously.
Erm, I was a freecop on Argonath for roughly 1 and a half years and I had 2000 posts on the forums by this point.
I followed the regulations as a Freecop.
ARPD officers are supposed to follow a set of rules and protocol, but dont, and no officer under the rank of Senior Officer has read these rules and protocol.
I am an officer, passed my test, so obviously I know the regulations, as does every other Cadet upwards and a large proportion of 'freecops' do too.
How about thinking before you type?
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There are 3 main groups of freecop.
1. The "new cop": Players who just arrived on the server and are still learning the basics of cop work. All cops start in this group.
2. Experienced Freecops: These are players who already know all about cop work, yet choose to remain as freecops by not joining FBI or SAPD.
3. Retired ARPD: These are players who resigned from the SAPD and / or FBI and are serving as freecops, usually people who already got bored of the cop life.