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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 06:03:05 pm

Title: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 06:03:05 pm
Stop moaning with these freecops I hate them myself but face it it goes agains the argonath vision just stop nothing uc an do its gonna take them off just do my PROTIP

When u see a light blue color on radar do a uturn and take a diffrent route to ur destination, i always do that and havent been arrested at all or suspected trust me it works then the freecops get bored cuz they cant find anyone to abooze so then they go out of cop duty and befreind frank hawk and gs9. u get me now?

good now stop making them SAMP IDEAS Freecop. Thank god i wrote this hope you all spam here with stuff and not bug the developers

i bought you some time gandy aragorn. :) enjoy it.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: TheRock on January 03, 2011, 06:12:18 pm
/vote for most silly topic of the month.

If you don't give them the chance to find someone to roleplay with, they'll always be bored.
Don't turn around, Just stay calm and let them ;) They will only abuse you if you avoid them and you do not act well with them :) So be friends to them, or TEACH THEM!!! instead of calling them 'abusers' everytime you get wrongly suspected.

If you are nice to them, they will be nice to you too!
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 06:19:48 pm
This is not moan topic, this is how I save around 5 to 10k everyday.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Wash on January 03, 2011, 06:20:56 pm
i bought you some time gandy aragorn. :) enjoy it.
ye gandy aragorn enjoy it good
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 03, 2011, 07:22:44 pm
In short, isolate ourselves from all freecops, making them learn less?
 
'Chea. That's cool, bro.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Bobby on January 03, 2011, 07:30:42 pm
In short, isolate ourselves from all freecops, making them learn less?
 
'Chea. That's cool, bro.

Not realy mate. There are already many senior officers online.

I support you Static. In my opinion disabling the free cop job can solve maybe things around the server .. ( More than half online players are cops . LOL )

I suggest that this free cop job should require a passport !
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 03, 2011, 07:32:43 pm
Keep dreaming.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: EminemRulez on January 03, 2011, 07:42:52 pm
In short, isolate ourselves from all freecops, making them learn less?
Any player can decide between helping newcomers or not... There's not a rule, yet, where it states: If you see a newbie, you must help him or be banned.

He decided that he does not want contact with them - isolating.
If a player doesn't like to help others, they better not even try. Better having no help than help from someone who doesn't like what he's doin'.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 03, 2011, 07:45:17 pm
I honestly do not give two shits if someone does not want to help new players.
 
However, encouraging others to do the same is just pushing your luck.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Bilbo on January 03, 2011, 07:45:49 pm
Only way to make the situation better is for YOU to help THEM.
Scripts can't change the human nature, other human beings can.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 03, 2011, 07:47:43 pm
One of the reasons freecops abuse is because regulars such as our beloved OP prefer to shit on them rather than encourage them to be good cops.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Murt on January 03, 2011, 08:13:31 pm
I'm a freecop, I don't feel ashamed for it.

Sounds like they less deserve to play on the server from your perspective.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 08:24:28 pm
Dude, Im not shitting on them. Im just giving people tips on how to save 5 to 10k a day. Simple. I dont give a flying fuck what they do when I use my theory, aslong as they dont steal $200 of me just like that. This also is not a MOAN topic, this is just my METHOD on how to save money as I said above. Thank you.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 03, 2011, 08:32:27 pm
I see your post as encouraging people to avoid and isolate themselves from freecops, which is a form of shitting on them.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Bilbo on January 03, 2011, 08:33:20 pm
If you care so much more about money than other players - human beings, you're on the wrong server.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Murt on January 03, 2011, 08:47:04 pm
Dude, Im not shitting on them. Im just giving people tips on how to save 5 to 10k a day. Simple. I dont give a flying f**k what they do when I use my theory, aslong as they dont steal $200 of me just like that. This also is not a MOAN topic, this is just my METHOD on how to save money as I said above. Thank you.

I can give you a friendly advice, visit LV and SF more often, not so populated there.

Sounds like you are visiting Idlewood more.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 09:37:29 pm
JDC, would you want to lose 5 - 10k everytime you log in? Or maybe everday?

Good, that might shut it for a while.

IcyAero, this is the INTERNET. Ofcourse I f**king care about humans, I even pay charity, I even volunteer at the local community centre at times to help them 8 year old kids with no parents.

Internet is like hollywood.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Murt on January 03, 2011, 09:49:57 pm
JDC, would you want to lose 5 - 10k everytime you log in? Or maybe everday?

Good, that might shut it for a while.

IcyAero, this is the INTERNET. Ofcourse I f**king care about humans, I even pay charity, I even volunteer at the local community centre at times to help them 8 year old kids with no parents.

Internet is like hollywood.

Sounds like a big moaning topic to me. Don't log in if you always loose "5-10k".

If you feel abused by an officer. Either report him to an admin with evidence or report him on www.arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum (http://www.arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum)
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Fabio on January 03, 2011, 09:52:27 pm
If you have injury in your body somewhere from playing sport, are you going to go back outside next day to play and make it even worse or will you take mesaures to make sure it heals before you go out and play some weeks later.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 09:53:58 pm
That was just a question, how do you happen to make it look like its a moan topic?

And I love to roleplay with Dark Blue cops. Light blue ppl just like you just have that feeling something is going to go wrong and guess what. Id rather lose 1000 running away then then them winning $600 for abusing a member of the communityl.

LOCK TOPIC, people ARE turning this into a moan topic.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Jingle on January 03, 2011, 10:01:17 pm
Hey guys, let's all judge cops by their color on the radar and their rank; I mean, if someone's a freecop, he completely sucks at role-play and should be ignored or have his name and ID spammed in public chat, predicating that said freecop's role-playing abilities are far more inferior than the typical "(( hey guys i can use brackets to separate my roleplay, fuck everyone who thinks otherwise ))" because freecop doesn't use the brackets even though his role-playing skills are god level compared to the "PIMP_NIGGUH" who complains about how he was pulled over wrongfully when it was indeed rightful.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Zaila on January 03, 2011, 10:01:34 pm
JDC, would you want to lose 5 - 10k everytime you log in? Or maybe everday?

Simple solution, stay out of crowded areas and do not try to be in the center everywhere..
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Murt on January 03, 2011, 10:06:02 pm
Simple solution, stay out of crowded areas and do not try to be in the center everywhere..

Good answer, there you have the answer :)
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 10:08:30 pm
Ok, thanks for the solution.

Now lock this topic, please.

Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on January 03, 2011, 10:12:34 pm
Any player can decide between helping newcomers or not... There's not a rule, yet, where it states: If you see a newbie, you must help him or be banned.

He decided that he does not want contact with them - isolating.
If a player doesn't like to help others, they better not even try. Better having no help than help from someone who doesn't like what he's doin'.
If you don't help anyone, fine. If you moan about z0mg abusers while not doing a single thing yourself, expect a ban for moaning.

Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Static' on January 03, 2011, 10:15:22 pm
FOR FUCK SAKE CAN YOU STOP REPLYING HERE

LOCK THE DAMN TOPIC DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR.

Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Shockk on January 03, 2011, 10:19:19 pm
i lold  :lol:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Wash on January 03, 2011, 10:19:52 pm
Locked
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Jingle on January 03, 2011, 11:08:38 pm
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5nps7p.jpg)
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 03, 2011, 11:31:51 pm
Static.
Grow up seriously.


This was not the correct way to go about business.
Next time think first, then think again.

Also, hate to mention it, no I love to mention it:
Argonath has moved on from what you where used to, and in all honesty it's MUCH MUCH better.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: R.Rivens on January 04, 2011, 12:28:06 am
I actually don't think we have so much abusive cop. Just my opinion.

Curse is evil though, asked me to pay a fee just because I landed on GS9AP. Later he killed me anyways.

Curses!
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: RafaDK on January 04, 2011, 12:40:01 am
Simple, make them get the f**king /su cmd, after take the passport, while they dont have the pass just allow them /jail cmd and the weapons to kill orange dots.

Problem solved - Only people with basic experience will be able to suspect you, if they don't have passport they won't be able to /suspect so they will just DM orange dots, once they are newbies they can't shoot for shit, so they will just lose their time. Except the veterans who pass by nabs to be good shooters, but still the abuse shit is solved once they familiarized with the server(in most of cases).

Case Dismiss. - Freecops don't have fault if no one teach them the rules. Veterans don't have fault if newbies don't give two shits to /rules like they are adviced when they log/register in the server or because admin team is to short to handle regulars /reports and with the newbies.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Jamal on January 04, 2011, 02:18:28 am
One of the reasons freecops abuse is because regulars such as our beloved OP prefer to shit on them rather than encourage them to be good cops.
yEAH TOTALLY bro its always criminals! I mean those dark blue cops ignoring all light blue at any costs all the time has no effect! And of course, rather than teaching them also [instead of moaning at everyone else to do it like a cool guy], tell them to leave because you outrank them!!! fuk yea
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: R.Rivens on January 04, 2011, 02:59:44 am
This is just another dumb topic, I think it should be locked!

Why? There is no point of it, at all! Just moaning. If you care about your cash so much then this isn't the community for you.

You really want people to follow your idea? Imagine new guys then. Everyone avoids them, none speaks with them or helps. And why? Just so some bastards could keep their game money which isn't f**king real and has no value? When you'll leave Argonath or it will close down, it won't matter how much millions you made, it will matter if you had a good time here. If you helped others, if you were friendly, if you'll have something to remember. You'll lose all your cash in just matter of seconds, but you won't lose the good feeling after all the support you provided. Think about it when you approach someone who is new, someone who has completely no experience, someone who is just trying to have a good time and make friends.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 04, 2011, 08:48:08 am
The f**king drama :rofl: :rofl:

He asked to lock the topic, yet people still try to hijack the thread. :lol: You all also sounded pretty convincing with the "You're bad for doing this, go to hell" shit :D

You made my day :lol:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Aragorn on January 04, 2011, 08:56:24 am
BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 04, 2011, 09:02:59 am
BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...
Even more lol'd.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Bobby on January 04, 2011, 09:07:58 am
BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...

We should start a petition
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Kent on January 04, 2011, 10:46:22 am
BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...
:trip: (http://www.birdplace.net/images/smilies/bananadance.gif) Aragorn approves!!! (http://www.birdplace.net/images/smilies/bananadance.gif)  :mob:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: MorlanV on January 04, 2011, 11:08:18 am
OBVIOUS MOANING AND TROLL TOPIC DETECTED!

DO NOT post here, as you are feeding the troll with a shovel. He only WANTS you to moan, and that is pretty much it.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Leroy on January 04, 2011, 11:12:39 am
Stop f**king posting these retarded douchebag topics, when you can get of your f*cking ass, and try help them, I'm sure you were clueless also when you joined, if they continue to rule break after you try help them, fucking report them, srsly stop making some useless moan topic on something you can do yourself if you weren't so narrow minded towards your ''e-money''.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 04, 2011, 11:13:19 am
yEAH TOTALLY bro its always criminals! I mean those dark blue cops ignoring all light blue at any costs all the time has no effect! And of course, rather than teaching them also [instead of moaning at everyone else to do it like a cool guy], tell them to leave because you outrank them!!! fuk yea

Ever tried serving as a high-ranked cop who actually takes the time to help freecops?

No, so shut it.



BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...

...

Many cops have been trained in the field right after they arrived in the server.



Formally requesting a topic lock.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Shockk on January 04, 2011, 12:20:57 pm
Freecops aren't too bad to be honest.
Although I shit myself everytime I get aimed at by a cop wearing the security skin, whilst getting jailed at LSPD.  :cry:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: MorlanV on January 04, 2011, 12:24:10 pm
Formally requesting a topic lock.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: newguy on January 04, 2011, 12:37:58 pm
Lock this up
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Jubin on January 04, 2011, 02:03:11 pm
Many cops have been trained in the field right after they arrived in the server.



Formally requesting a topic lock.
And how many of the freecops have only gotten the help of /jobcop? It would only be fair if a newcomer first would become a legal, law-abiding citizen, before he will start enforcing them on others. You can take it as just one more step on becoming a officer.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 04, 2011, 04:45:49 pm
Many cops have been trained in the field right after they arrived in the server.
So?
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Void on January 04, 2011, 11:22:48 pm
How not to confront police officers?

We should script or role play shelters for abused at NAP. Like it?
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on January 04, 2011, 11:35:32 pm
Move out of LS, or at least stay away from the area between LSPD and Idlewood Pay n spray.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Jamal on January 05, 2011, 12:27:45 am
JDC, I have not. And neither have barely any people actually. Still problem?
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Leon. on January 05, 2011, 01:07:32 am
Although I shit myself everytime I get aimed at by a cop wearing the security skin, whilst getting jailed at LSPD.  :cry:
I'll be honest... I do too. I just hope he knows about surrendering and shit, and if he doesn't plus ends up killing me, I try to think positive; "Hey, at least the fine will tell him: DONT FUCKING KILL SURRENDERED SUSPECTS."
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Raykaza on January 05, 2011, 01:34:51 am
BTW not a bad idea about passport... You should be a citizen to work in a police... Why not? I support such idea...
Its a good idea tho.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: HeyDude on January 05, 2011, 01:42:18 am
This is moving text, doesnt it look cool?

Freecops FTW!
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Flakattak_88 on January 16, 2011, 04:18:33 am
One of the reasons freecops abuse is because regulars such as our beloved OP prefer to shit on them rather than encourage them to be good cops.
Good point lol, i also got proof of that :D
reminds me of the video frank hawk posted
(http://sleekupload.com/uploads/5/samp088.png)
(http://sleekupload.com/uploads/5/samp089.png)
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Kent on January 16, 2011, 10:31:20 am
Good point lol, i also got proof of that :D
reminds me of the video frank hawk posted
(http://sleekupload.com/uploads/5/samp088.png)
(http://sleekupload.com/uploads/5/samp089.png)

Is he aware that he shits on himself too?

"im sick of retarded freecops"

But you know, if an ARPD Officer is doing something that is not right, explain it him clearly in PM. I've done it the last two days to ~3 ARPD Officers, yet they all listened and stopped doing it (at that moment). ARPD Officers are not as bad as you might think
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 16, 2011, 10:33:24 am
JDC, I have not. And neither have barely any people actually. Still problem?

I'm sure even people with barely-basic english skill can understand that "trained in the field" means you gained your experience from working in the field as opposed to being trained by an academy or an instructor.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: FastSh00T on January 16, 2011, 12:18:26 pm
Guys, I didn't see every post of this topic but I have one question to specific people. I always and yes I mean "Always" help new players when I meet them or when they abuse the commands. My Question is "How to get their attention?" About 50percent listens to me and others just simply don't look at the chat box or they don't know if I am talking to them. When I see a new cop or a new player, I explain to him the rules, and I tell him what exactly to do on the server but after telling him, he runs away from me. Or just keep shooting at others or at me. Well, I can remember that 2 days ago, I was helping and explaining to a new player called "Mosily" the rules and what to do on the server but he didn't listen to me but the good thing that he looked at the chat box and talked back to me ;D, But the problem is, that I told him so many times "Please stop deathmatching, Mosily.", "Please read the /rules" and "Mosily, Listen to me and follow the rules". But he totally ignored /rules command and kept deathmatching but he talked to me. Also When I met him outside of Los Santos Ammunition, I saw that he was carrying so many weapons. Such as "M4, SMG and katana". But you know what guys? I have a idea, Instead of answering new players when they ask about weapons, Just tell them What he exactly wants to do with it? Maybe he is going to deathmatch. And I have another idea, I will make a new idea that you must have a passport to buy weapons, At least when the new players get a passport, it means that he is trusted player that played on ArgonathRPG more than 7 days, knows the basic rules and knows the forum.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: vArGaS on January 16, 2011, 04:15:04 pm
Do i need to say more? (btw they killed me before already 2 times, then i took my program to cap it)
Watch in HD
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#)

The guy named Fatih is already cop-banned i think
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Chris_Knight on January 16, 2011, 04:25:01 pm
Both copbanned
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Gandalf on January 16, 2011, 04:29:01 pm
It is correct that many new players do not listen, as they have no idea. That is why we have an admin team, to give them a more clear suggestion. Those that do not answer, will be made clear they either have to follow the rules, or find a place where they can ignore everyone.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Maxy on January 16, 2011, 10:51:24 pm
In short, isolate ourselves from all freecops, making them learn less?
 
'Chea. That's cool, bro.


You know what I never understood? I mean, yeah sure. Help new players and all that, which is fine to a certain extent.

But basically what you're saying here is that freecops are the scum of Argonath. Without enough brain to think for themselves and learn things the way it should be. That seems to be the general attitude people have. "Oh, teach the freecops they don't know any better". This is exactly why the Police should be TRAINED POLICE ONLY. The cop has a responsiblity to the server, he must act correctly and prove himself worthy of the position he has. Freecops can do whatever the f**k they want with minimal punishment.

Why do we support weak minded individuals? They have no perserverance to adhere to the rules and learn the server without having every rule and regulation shoved down their throat every time they make a stupid mistake. You don't see the main admins handing out moderator to everyone just because they "Wan 2 be admin l0l". There should at least be a one week lock enforced on the player before you hand him guns, give him the right to suspect and fine people, and let him loose on the population.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on January 16, 2011, 11:15:54 pm
@Maxy
If freecops are so z0mg untrained, then how long are you a criminal that you STILL can't avoid them? Shouldn't you have already developed ways of evading at least untrained cops' attention?

@all
Back in the day (inb4 z0mg these times are different) regular players on cop duty used to help out new players, and new players that got help also helped new players in return. Everyone was equal on cop duty and most people were friendly towards each other.

Now - there is SAPD (them z0mgz pr0 cops) and ARPD officers (the new guys). SAPD keeps playing only in their own circle, because they're too good to play with new guys. While the new guys are left without any actual help. Only "help" new guys get is a "/jobcop" served with a there, now leave me alone noob attitude - which does not EVEN MENTION that cop work has regulations. Then everyone's z0mg surprised that new cops are "z0mg abusers moneyhungry" and don't follow rules. YOU know the rules, new guys - not necessarily.

When I ask a regular that's moaning about "z0mg abusers", has he even helped any new cop recently - it's always same excuse "they never listen to me". Well, if people think "leave me alone z0mg abuser" is teaching - you're wRONg.

btw, a word filter changing the F*** word to "z0mg" would be fun.  :lol:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Maxy on January 16, 2011, 11:41:20 pm
@Maxy
If freecops are so z0mg untrained, then how long are you a criminal that you STILL can't avoid them? Shouldn't you have already developed ways of evading at least untrained cops' attention?


Where in my post does it even so much as hint to me not being able to avoid them?

I like how you avoid every valid point I make and then make an accusation with no foundation.

What are you, some kind of politician?

What you may not have realized is that actually, I was holding a mirror up to your mentality of constantly guiding them. My original point, to those of you who can't seem to follow me, is that new players need time on the server and their own brain to learn anything, we can "teach" them whatever we want.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Vince on January 18, 2011, 03:31:35 am

Now - there is SAPD (them z0mgz pr0 cops) and ARPD officers (the new guys). SAPD keeps playing only in their own circle, because they're too good to play with new guys. While the new guys are left without any actual help. Only "help" new guys get is a "/jobcop" served with a there, now leave me alone noob attitude - which does not EVEN MENTION that cop work has regulations. Then everyone's z0mg surprised that new cops are "z0mg abusers moneyhungry" and don't follow rules. YOU know the rules, new guys - not necessarily.


I kindly suggest you to not generalize everyone in the SAPD... not only is it rude an untrue but it's also something I would never have expected Grz to say. :neutral: Show to me it's a problem.. I'd be more than happy to help.

If you have suggestions for me to help get an LSPD division to help more freecops or even simply encourage I'd be more than happy to.. but I never knew it was this bad of a problem. I know that all my officers in LSPD often patrol with freecops when not on SWAT duties or something of the sort.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Andy on January 18, 2011, 03:51:31 am
@Maxy
If freecops are so z0mg untrained, then how long are you a criminal that you STILL can't avoid them? Shouldn't you have already developed ways of evading at least untrained cops' attention?

@all
Back in the day (inb4 z0mg these times are different) regular players on cop duty used to help out new players, and new players that got help also helped new players in return. Everyone was equal on cop duty and most people were friendly towards each other.

Now - there is SAPD (them z0mgz pr0 cops) and ARPD officers (the new guys). SAPD keeps playing only in their own circle, because they're too good to play with new guys. While the new guys are left without any actual help. Only "help" new guys get is a "/jobcop" served with a there, now leave me alone noob attitude - which does not EVEN MENTION that cop work has regulations. Then everyone's z0mg surprised that new cops are "z0mg abusers moneyhungry" and don't follow rules. YOU know the rules, new guys - not necessarily.
You sure do know what you're talking about. Lol   :pop:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: MrFrancis on January 18, 2011, 11:58:33 am
Some 'freecops' are BETTER than Officers. It's the fact.. I also admit there are freecops better than me.

Instead of just "ZOMG LIGHT BLUE, UTURN!" or "Fuck this, copban id [] abuse !!" Just teach them how to be good. If they just shoot you till you die, then you know what to do as a REGULAR.. Act mature and move on. You taught them how to be good, they ignored and killed you. So the best thing to do is to maintain your rage level and just be mature.. Understand the freecops and move on.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Murt on January 18, 2011, 12:58:20 pm
I think this topic should have been locked when the person created this topic, just a regular moan topic regarding the persons "freecops".
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on January 18, 2011, 02:14:45 pm
I kindly suggest you to not generalize everyone in the SAPD...
Not more generalizing than saying "freecops are abusers" all the time, which also implies everyone that has the rank "ARPD officer" is an abuser.

This also includes any form of "requesting SAPD officer for investigation", implying ARPD officers cannot do it right.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Gandalf on January 18, 2011, 02:24:05 pm
If you have suggestions for me to help get an LSPD division to help more freecops or even simply encourage I'd be more than happy to.. but I never knew it was this bad of a problem. I know that all my officers in LSPD often patrol with freecops when not on SWAT duties or something of the sort.
We already have a long time suggestion for SAPD, and it is called : DESK STAFF.
If SAPD would really care about roleplay instead of hunting orange dots, they would create a desk and jail staff. Desk staff would be there to receive complaints and reports from citizens, and to help ARPD officers find their way around the station, explaining them the work.
Jail staff could prevent stealing of suspects, investigate crimes and maybe even take over jailing, sending the reward to the officer who made the arrest.

However it seems that SAPD is, like the ARPD frecops, only interested in hunting and suspecting.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: SafetyMoose on January 18, 2011, 02:35:54 pm
We already have a long time suggestion for SAPD, and it is called : DESK STAFF.
If SAPD would really care about roleplay instead of hunting orange dots, they would create a desk and jail staff. Desk staff would be there to receive complaints and reports from citizens, and to help ARPD officers find their way around the station, explaining them the work.
Jail staff could prevent stealing of suspects, investigate crimes and maybe even take over jailing, sending the reward to the officer who made the arrest.

However it seems that SAPD is, like the ARPD frecops, only interested in hunting and suspecting.

The airport police division is what im trying to set up with LSPD, its main focus is teaching new players how to do police RP and encourage other players to RP with them in a learning environment. The Airport is like a Small city so it makes a great training environment. However this desk staff division is a good idea, however the incentive to get people to do it is what we need to figure out.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Cero on January 18, 2011, 02:44:50 pm
We already have a long time suggestion for SAPD, and it is called : DESK STAFF.
If SAPD would really care about roleplay instead of hunting orange dots, they would create a desk and jail staff. Desk staff would be there to receive complaints and reports from citizens, and to help ARPD officers find their way around the station, explaining them the work.
Jail staff could prevent stealing of suspects, investigate crimes and maybe even take over jailing, sending the reward to the officer who made the arrest.

However it seems that SAPD is, like the ARPD frecops, only interested in hunting and suspecting.

Bring back the old SAPD then, where it actualy ment something to be a Officer. Nowadays people join just to get their hands on a MP5.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on January 18, 2011, 03:17:40 pm
We already have a long time suggestion for SAPD, and it is called : DESK STAFF.
If SAPD would really care about roleplay instead of hunting orange dots, they would create a desk and jail staff. Desk staff would be there to receive complaints and reports from citizens, and to help ARPD officers find their way around the station, explaining them the work.
Jail staff could prevent stealing of suspects, investigate crimes and maybe even take over jailing, sending the reward to the officer who made the arrest.

However it seems that SAPD is, like the ARPD frecops, only interested in hunting and suspecting.

This is what DPD do,

- Entering/ storming building with style - such as charging through the door, shooting/ kicking/ headbutting and failing to enter a door with all the above using /me
- Country style weapon use (inc animations such as /bar 1, gunpoint 1, and weapons used such as country rifle, alternative melee...)
- General attitude towards civilians - Encouragement of saying a friendly howdy to all civilian passers by and asking if any problems.
- RP punishments (involve cancelsuspect before or after so crim does not lose cash)
   - Community Service (cleaning up the bloodstains, towtruck work, picking litter etc, or forcing them to patrol with you)
   - Exile - Abandon in a remote area to reflect on what they done
   - Execution - For very very bad criminals. Using cancelsuspect so they do not lose weapons/ cash. Costs you money but sometimes worth it.
   - Deportation - Throwing in the sea telling them to swim to Country of your choice (drop out of heli near east beach usually).
   - Human shield for yourself, tape them to your vehicle or just make them walk around you.
   - For possible drug dealers/ addicts - Public viewing of a cavity search using engine oil and gardening gloves.

Some of these ideas might conflict with some players but they do work as long as criminal is willing to RP - by no means is this regular practice

By Jcstoods  :lol:

Especially the one RPing punishments on suspect instead of /jail - it would involve a /canclsuspect to have a better Economy
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 18, 2011, 04:33:59 pm

However it seems that SAPD is, like the ARPD frecops, only interested in hunting and suspecting.

So I don't see how it's our fault we get abusive freecops.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Gandalf on January 18, 2011, 05:37:35 pm
So I don't see how it's our fault we get abusive freecops.
Its always someone else to blame, right ?  :pop:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Torero on January 18, 2011, 06:06:04 pm
There was always through ages this...hate against cops...Even in real life. But take a closer look at your fingers...Are they all the same? No!I  want to make you understand that cops aren't all the same..I believe yes maybe SOME of them maybe like 'Lemme kill him to get some money' but no they aren't all the same! Act properly to them then you get a good solution...
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Gimli on January 18, 2011, 06:21:14 pm
So I don't see how it's our fault we get abusive freecops.

So I don't see how it's our fault we get moaners who create a negative atmosphere.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Aldo on January 18, 2011, 06:52:10 pm
So I don't see how it's our fault we get moaners who create a negative atmosphere.

Win Post
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Vince on January 18, 2011, 09:30:42 pm
Its always someone else to blame, right ?  :pop:

it seems...
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Gandalf on January 18, 2011, 09:36:13 pm
Bring back the old SAPD then, where it actualy ment something to be a Officer. Nowadays people join just to get their hands on a MP5.
You mean that there is no actual difference between SAPD and ARPD officers except weapons, or that acceptance rules of SAPD are too soft ?
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Oliver on January 18, 2011, 09:40:00 pm
Over the last two weeks I've been off duty a lot. I've been abused exactly 0 times.
In my two years in Argonath I've personally witnessed less than ten cases of people getting abused by cops for no reason whatsoever. Most of the time the 'abuse' has been provoked by messages such as 'lol gtfo freecop' or 'what the fuck do you want noob'.

A large portion of the people moaning about abusive freecops have extremely abrasive personalities and, in most cases, are abusive towards freecops themselves.

Of course there are black sheep, but that would be like me wanting Gvardia banned because of Gulucan.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Cero on January 18, 2011, 09:55:33 pm
You mean that there is no actual difference between SAPD and ARPD officers except weapons, or that acceptance rules of SAPD are too soft ?

Both.

Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Torero on January 18, 2011, 10:25:41 pm
"there is no actual difference between SAPD and ARPD officers except weapons"

Just that.

Acceptance rules aren't soft.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Nexxt on January 18, 2011, 11:15:37 pm
:alert" :alert" Congratulations, you just proved that you did NOT change!  :alert" :alert"
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Frank_Hawk on January 18, 2011, 11:29:29 pm
Back by popular demand:

Community Support vs. Real Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwYxkZ9jTvk#ws)

 :D
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Vice on January 19, 2011, 01:02:54 am
the only reply that worths to read/watch in this thread.. is Frank Hawk's.

Good job buddy  :cop:
 
:ps: as i said before.. its not the SAPD who is creating the problem between the freecops and citizens... its the citizens themselves... but only the SAPD is working on the solution, and you are just getting ugly in my eyes with making bullshit topics on the forums


those who were Lt or Sgt but left the SAPD because they failed... and didnt do shit when they had the opportunity, you better stop barking.. and go back where you came from you flop
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Fabio on January 19, 2011, 01:17:01 am
Got a little question for whoever is in the right position to answer, and keep the answer to this civialised...

When did we need all of the SAPD, FBI and SWAT to catch one criminal?

I was on duty the other day as a freecop, I arrive at a scene and all I see is a bags of cops, but there was only one criminal inside who was wanted, I mean seriously, how are non-SAPD supposed to get into the action when so many officers are called just for one guy?

I just don't personally feel like joining SAPD just to get into the action, for me SAPD is not set out correctly and is heading in the wrong direction, its way too complicated as it is already let alone all these different things that are going on.

But what about the freecops that do want the action? Do they really have to join SAPD to get into the action?

Moving on, FBI... god what is going on? Who the hell made a rule that says FBI agents can't patrol in normal cop cars with normal cops?

And why are FBI agents patrolling in the FBI Ranchers looking for small street criminals when they should be busy with the bigger crimes and investigating, or off duty.



EDIT:

Also, to balance my argument, the other day when I was on freecop duty, I was trying to roleplay with a guy, then he ends up randomly killing me, I ask him why he done it, his answer was something similar to this:

"Because I don't like freecops so thats why I killed you."
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: JDC on January 19, 2011, 09:55:48 am
And why are FBI agents patrolling in the FBI Ranchers looking for small street criminals when they should be busy with the bigger crimes and investigating, or off duty.

We actually do this. It's just that we don't inform the public about everything we do.

Bring back the old SAPD then, where it actualy ment something to be a Officer. Nowadays people join just to get their hands on a MP5.

I have to agree here.

Although I respect and admit the fact that Pancher, Hank, and Vince are trying their best to lead, the organization of the SAPD on a whole is simply inferior in general.

Freecops don't have desk staff or organized jailing. Guess what, SAPD doesn't either. On the topic of acceptation standards being too soft, I have to agree as well. SAPD is putting into practice a de facto "quantity over quality" policy.

Not that I am trying to shit on SAPD here, but discipline is not enough and corruption is / was rampant (inb4 asking me to point out names- you damn well know what happened), not to mention the organization of the SAPD has ended up turning the title "SAPD Officer" from a feared and respected individual into just yet another regular street cop. Every time I ask around about the old ARPD and SAPD, I keep hearing about how officers were actually respected by the general public without having to achieve Lt. or similar ranks.

In short, the SAPD leadership is trying. However, it is not trying hard enough.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Fabio on January 19, 2011, 11:53:09 am
We actually do this. It's just that we don't inform the public about everything we do.

I understand your point about privacy but thats why we have a FBI forum, there is also CB channel's you can use for private chat.

The part I don't get is the part I mentioned about patrolling together for small time criminals that are speeding or driving wrecklessly.

When you could just be patrolling with other officers like normal in normal squad cars and when its time for FBI duty you get together and contact the rest of the FBI agents online. That way it gives freecops a chance to get involved in some of the action.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Vice on January 19, 2011, 02:14:24 pm
In one hand.. you like to compare me with Luca Scalise and my method.
In the other hand, you say the SAPD standards are too easy.

You forgot long time ago what means to be ARPD...

Quote from: Aragorn
ARPD is not a club, is not a clan, is not a restricted group...

We are the police community, opened for all players...

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1099.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1099.0)

We are not supposed to make the profesional cop RP to be restricted.... we give chance to all players to join us.

Also.. you saying we ignore the freecops, and we only play/work with SAPD officers.
Its not true, and it would be appriciated to dont post about something.. what you dont know at all.

The LVPD is under my direct lead, and we organised more then 101 hours police events... and the several trainings is not in this number... Most of the times, there is present 80% freecops, and 20% SAPD cops.
Those freecops.. who are attending on these events becomes the new SAPD members. This is how it goes, and you should open your eyes already...
These numbers are just the registered duty hours, what is reported on the ARPD forums, but the serveral trainings.. and helping the officers are not registered on forums... its given day to day.. when the SAPD staff is on duty.

Indeed, im trying to form the whole SAPD to be similar to LVPD... but not the style of the work.. but to use the same way to be opened for freecops, and have active command staff.

The SAPD is opened, but if you want to rank up from officer you how to work hard.. and you have to show high activity.

The pride is given back to SAPD.. it means something to be officer.. or senior officer. If you are sergeant.. it shows the real dedication and activity.

Here it is what we do...... and YOU?


Its not the SAPD who lost the real meaning of the ARPD.... its sadly the FBI who chose their own path.. basicly left behind the ARPD, and playing with their restricted group... doing circles, and giving chance to the favoured to try the FBI role.


you want the old SAPD back? which one... tell me how was it better then the current active police department




Make up your mind people, and open your eyes!
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 19, 2011, 02:35:51 pm
Its always someone else to blame, right ?  :pop:
Atleast it's valid.
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: FastSh00T on January 21, 2011, 03:24:06 pm
Back by popular demand:

Community Support vs. Real Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwYxkZ9jTvk#ws)

 :D
At least in that video the ARPD Officer on the right have Armour ! : :lol:
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 24, 2011, 01:50:01 pm
At least in that video the ARPD Officer on the right have Armour ! : :lol:

A nice SAPD officer such as  Jc may have given him that money for the Armour.

That video sure does sum up SAPD's treatment to freecops (although now its a minority who openly show it rather then when it was like in 2009).
Title: Re: FREECOP SOLUTION FFS
Post by: Nexxt on January 24, 2011, 05:16:26 pm
Kinda amusing, that people even take the time to react seriously, when the question came from someone who said he was sure he changed, but still keep complaining about Argonath RPG.
Once again people are not happy with Argonath RPG.

It's not Argonath RPG which should adjust on you, you have to adjust yourself on Argonath RPG or just find another community.
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