Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: boostboy on April 03, 2011, 10:14:53 am
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Why you guys CONSTANTLY base people on there english, and not there personallity, or there knowlege of the server? eatch application you fucking see, you have a major chance on acceptence if you know perfect english, but dont know shit about the server!
And otherwise, little english, much server knowlege, and you dont get shit!!
This really has to stop, start basing people on there argonath life, NOT THERE FUCKING ENGLISH LEVEL, IM SO FREAKING SICK OF THIS!!
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You got a point..this has to stop
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Calm down Doggi.. I don't know if it's as worse as you describe, but I guess you need a decent english level in order to become an Admin. You're representing the server, so I guess that is one of the things you need to understand. I do get your point though.
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Not talking about admin, im talking about EVRYTHING!
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Even though I have an understanding of English on par with a native's, I don't really care as long as someone's english is good enough for them to communicate.
Also, expect no lifers to come here and post "u mad".
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If they wanne troll, fuck them, i honestly dint give a shit, i spoke to Gandalf yesterday night, and he supported me
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Good point.
It's the character that's worth the most, not the knowledge of languages..
Of course, this is an english community, so atleast a little knowledge for good communication is advised, but sometimes people try to be perfect and break down others who talk understandable english aswell...
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Yeah , I agree. I think people should have fair chances.
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Good english is required in many applications BECAUSE the organizations will not work to the optimium if not.
"erry1 go to di artuse complx"
"lol teh bad men want 50k dollah"
I personaly enjoy working together with people who can express themselfs in english and types properly. If I have to work with someone who just goes around typing with "u" "y?" etc, not bothering typing properly, I'll go insane.
What's so wrong about improving yourself?
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People are trying there best to talk english, and with guys like you, who only support 'Perfect English' the'll neverhave a chance..
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People are trying there best to talk english, and with guys like you, who only support 'Perfect English' the'll neverhave a chance..
Doggi, could you please enlighten me, how am I supposed to roleplay with a person with whom I can not communicate? Also, "perfect English"?. To enjoy the community to the fullest and to be able to talk to it's members, your English level do not have to be higher than B1.
A1 Can understand and use familiar everyday expressions and very basic phrases aimed at the satisfaction of needs of a concrete type. Can introduce him/herself and others and can ask and answer questions about personal details such as where he/she lives, people he/she knows and things he/she has. Can interact in a simple way provided the other person talks slowly and clearly and is prepared to help.
A2 Can understand sentences and frequently used expressions related to areas of most immediate relevance (e.g. very basic personal and family information, shopping, local geography, employment). Can communicate in simple and routine tasks requiring a simple and direct exchange of information on familiar and routine matters. Can describe in simple terms aspects of his/her background, immediate environment and matters in areas of immediate need.
B1 Can understand the main points of clear standard input on familiar matters regularly encountered in work, school, leisure, etc. Can deal with most situations likely to arise whilst travelling in an area where the language is spoken. Can produce simple connected text on topics which are familiar or of personal interest. Can describe experiences and events, dreams, hopes & ambitions and briefly give reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.
B2 Can understand the main ideas of complex text on both concrete and abstract topics, including technical discussions in his/her field of specialisation. Can interact with a degree of fluency and spontaneity that makes regular interaction with native speakers quite possible without strain for either party. Can produce clear, detailed text on a wide range of subjects and explain a viewpoint on a topical issue giving the advantages and disadvantages of various options.
C1 Can understand a wide range of demanding, longer texts, and recognise implicit meaning. Can express him/herself fluently and spontaneously without much obvious searching for expressions. Can use language flexibly and effectively for social, academic and professional purposes. Can produce clear, well-structured, detailed text on complex subjects, showing controlled use of organisational patterns, connectors and cohesive devices.
C2 Can understand with ease virtually everything heard or read. Can summarise information from different spoken and written sources, reconstructing arguments and accounts in a coherent presentation. Can express him/herself spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex situations.
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I shouden't have sayd this..sorry
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There should be "are" in front of "constantly";
their*;
no "and" after comma;
each*;
acceptance*;
English should be with a capital;
don't*;
Argonath should have the first letter as a capital;
I'm*.
Thank you very much.
There is no fun or something in that message of yours, if that was supposed to be.
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f**k off you retard, im trying to prove apoint here, and i dont need a f**king exempel how my english is, or els, you try to learn yourself english in 2 year with dixlecia, f**k off if you want say anythung usefull
See, you don't need much better text than this to be understood in forums nor in-game.
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There is no fun or something in that message of yours, if that was supposed to be.
I'm only correcting his grammar mistakes to improve his English... geez.
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Guys, if you do not have anything constructive to say relating to the topic, then do not post here at all...
And I do agree with you Doggi, this is an international server, and therefore people will have different levels of English - for many English is not their main language and so it can be quite difficult to communicate with others on the server.
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It's hard to constantly hang out and engage in clever conversation with someone if you can't really understand each other.
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I'm only correcting his grammar mistakes to improve his English... geez.
You knew that would cause trouble by doing so. He speaks English which can be perfectly understood by others, although it may not be "perfect English", but hey I was brought up speaking English and even mine is nowhere near perfect. Also, this is an online forum, not a novel or English assignment, therefore spelling and grammar does not matter, as long as the English is understandable by others...
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Yeah, the minute Hess starts to talk about boats with other Aussies I just give up listening as it is hopeless to understand that conversation.
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I didnt notice this 'till now...
But as a guy who's more into "Perfect English":Yes,i agree that everyone should be given a chance to show their worth,but if i cant understand what a man is trying to tell,he won't let me know more about him either.
A certain percentage of English understandment is required.But i dont see a problem trying to fix this "Perfect English propagation" either.
I'm only correcting his grammar mistakes to improve his English... geez.
Son,learn the definitions of "Joke" and "Insult",then return here.
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Doggi - its the one of the troll tricks - to point the opponent in conversation about his bad English... By one reason - it carries inside the point a nationalistic meaning...
So next time just inform admins about provokes and they will deal with...
As about bad English - there were coming guys with a minimum lexicon and now they talk better then English guys...
As about English guys - they use more Agro (slang) which formally can be suited as a "bad English" as well...
Maybe some of them do not understand that they should respect other nations that they know more then one language, but others i am sure do respect due to their own lack of knowledges of other languages...
That are you who help English and American guys to interact with the whole world and not a way around...
So any prick who finds nothing else but troll you with this idea - just inform admins...
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I have never heard of people moaning about bad english, well, never happened to me at least.
Anyway, if there happens something like that - its good that you expressed that here, on forum.
The point is, try to keep your emotions aside. Flaming others and throwing "f*cks" around just doesn't look serious.
Its pointless, don't you think?
My english isn't perfect, it's not very good neither. What Aragorn said - if people got no argument to pick up, they say "im dropping the discussion since you cant speak proper english". Do not care about them and just keep going! :)
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Here were coming guys with a minimum lexicon and now they talk better then English guys...
This is completely true.
Doggi: Look at my profile, specifically, my posts. Scroll back in time when I joined and look at my present posts. You'll see that things can change.
As for the issue you're having, ignore them. If a person communicating with you can't understand your English, they will let you know in a good intention/polite manner. The opposite reaction would be insulting, joking with your language skill or such. They actually help you choose your acquaintances/friends better.
Hwaldar: First, do not call him "Son" until you show his birth certificate. Second, you cannot see people's facial expression behind another screen so you do not know his intentions. It basically reflects on your subjective opinion. So, the insulted/bullied persons will always classify it as provocation, while others can interpret it another way.
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A lot people had targeted me in past about this, but I don't really have any problem now.
Even if I lack somewhere in my grammar or vocabulary I just ignore these guys and keep on.
Nobody's perfect Doggi ;)
Even these who play it cool, claiming to have the best English in here, have faults them-self too.
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My english was way worser than it is now, when i started playing on argonath, evne tro i still have typo's and such in my tying
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Let others communicate with people who speak decent English. Their English skills will probably increase, Day by day!
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Okey now seriously, Doggi. This all is funny and why the hack do you care about what another saying in another PC screen or anywhere else? Although why you're complaining, does it hurts if they say so, do those people bite you IRL? No, keep real life emotions in real life and game in yourself aswell. There's 40% of server people that have bad grammar, if we all going post complaints this going be mass.
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English and the knowledge of the server are both very important. You can't drive a vehicle without gas and also you cannot travel without a vehicle. We can do nothing about it, unless the only way the person who is interested in the place who is applying for, he MUST take English courses to improve his English level and play much on the server to learn more about ArgonathRPG.
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Just fucking ignore them.
what's the point of the topic anyways?
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Just f**king ignore them.
what's the point of the topic anyways?
Whats the point of your post? im trying to clear out a thing here..
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I was weak in punctuation time ago, until I was taught by Jingle, in Argonath. No one is perfect and players should criticise themselves first before criticising others ;-)
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I suppose I have C1 level.
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Knowledge of the server and a good background should be a goal rather than a requirement. I personally feel that whenever one gets picked for a certain job (whether it will be becoming an administrator, moderator, or TS Staff), they should have at least a somewhat good knowledge of English so that language barriers do not exist with other members.
And by the way, I come from a Russian background and speak Russian as main language. I learned (and still am learning) English for the last nine years. Though when comparing to regular Americans, I would say I am more advanced than them in English which is partially a sad but true fact.
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Ninety five percent of players on Argonath do not have a good level of English so the people who are moaning are not likely to be within the other five percent if the moaning is annoying you that much.
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Grr look at all these people,
Tai,
Aragorn!
They don't have the best English skills, but grr, they owners and division leaders , grr.
People really need to think what they say about those who can't speak English very good / not native English speakers.
Just ignore the trolls Doggi :).
If you do notice somewhere some discrimination report it <
or take them to court <
Why you guys CONSTANTLY base people on there english, and not there personallity, or there knowlege of the server? eatch application you f**king see, you have a major chance on acceptence if you know perfect english, but dont know shit about the server!
And otherwise, little english, much server knowlege, and you dont get shit!!
This really has to stop, start basing people on there argonath life, NOT THERE f**kING ENGLISH LEVEL, IM SO FREAKING SICK OF THIS!!
Please say which organization, CMB? D:
Although I understand what you mean, I don't see it...
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Grr look at all these people,
Tai,
Aragorn!
They don't have the best English skill
Uuuuuuu.... now Aragorn and Tai are gonna be sad.
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No one has perfect english. I constantly mess up with my english and I'm a native speaker. I mean, I don't really care if people have bad english, as long as it's understandable. I correct close friends with english to help them, not make them feel bad. :)
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And who do you think you are to flame ANYONE, doggi? No one should flame you, you should flame no one, even if you 'BEEP' censor it. The reason some applications require an english piece (varying from restrictions/requirements) is because you want a person who can clearly explain themself and you can understand them well. Maybe they want to know their english skills so they can improve it.
If a group will not accept you because you do not have very good (or above average) english, thats pretty bad (unless they offer to help you and you refuse, then thats your part). I do not see a problem with asking someone for their english skills and denying one because he or she types a barely legible version of english.
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Right, okay guys, sorry.
I wish to appoligise for my behavings in the topic..i just have a lot on my mind, and i get mad soon on the moment..
If i insulted anyone, sorry, sorry for the flame, sorry for the disrespect towards you Freedom.
Also Sorry towards whole Argonath..im deeply sorry..i hope you can forgive me..
-Doggi
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Even though I have an understanding of English on par with a native's, I don't really care as long as someone's english is good enough for them to communicate.
Also, expect no lifers to come here and post "u mad".
Correction - I am a native and your understanding of English seems better than mine.
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Right, okay guys, sorry.
I wish to appoligise for my behavings in the topic..i just have a lot on my mind, and i get mad soon on the moment..
If i insulted anyone, sorry, sorry for the flame, sorry for the disrespect towards you Freedom.
Also Sorry towards whole Argonath..im deeply sorry..i hope you can forgive me..
-Doggi
https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/british-english-dictionary/
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https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/british-english-dictionary/
For fuck sake Daco, you think that's funny?
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For f**k sake Daco, you think that's funny?
I was helping the man to improve his English writing while posting on forums.
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Uuuuuuu.... now Aragorn and Tai are gonna be sad.
Oh I am really sad!
As for me - I specially build the Russian sentences and I do not even hide it... I just prefer to talk a simple English with the rich Russian meaning... :D
Also I am lazy to correct typo and noticed mistakes... :)
If I will start talking the perfect English - nobody will understand me... lol (we already have here examples)
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I was helping the man to improve his English writing while posting on forums.
Daco... -.-
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By the way, fact: Those of having mother language as Russian have sometimes difficulty constructing sentances from Russian into English. The problem is that Russian language apart from Roman languages build up sentances in a diffirent way than in Roman languages. I think this also fits for other Slavian languages. My English teacher explained me something about it, and most of the time when I speak English and i get mistakes in works, they're simply because Englishmen are supposed to say in a way I never would've thought of while talking in Russian. This can also apply for other languages.
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I correct people so they would learn, and people take that as trolling, and I think it's stupid... People doesn't try to improve their English but they try to force people to understand their bad English, that's what I hate. I always tried to improve my English for years and I'm now much better in English than I was three years ago.
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When I started to play on Argonath, my English was kind of lack, I basically skipped school so I never got taught the basics, really.
I had visibly big issues with a/an and all the other basics, which is necessary to know about. It was very conspicuous to look at. By playing more and more, I got more used to use these phrases and words, so it frankly got stuck automatically. The last year here on Argonath, I've been playing with people who talk splendid English, some of them are more likely from any English speaking country. By observing and spontaneously asking them questions that will help myself improve my own knowledge, I unquestionably took a huge step at the right direction. Your own knowledge of the language we're talking here, is making you a better role-player. That is inevitable. By just knowing the basics of the language, makes the role-play basic. By using details and words that you even define "difficult to spell" will improve the scenario you're role-playing.
But SOMETHING I really HATE is people who messes up the punctuation. Quick example of what I mean:
Hello , I am Que ! W'zup yo ? ? .
I mean, seriously?
I'm not writing this to disparage anyone, but I'm writing this to let you guys know that it looks completely awful and it's nor cool in any way, trust me. :razz:
People who writes like this usually does it because it looks awesome, and because they are in a particular age where you want to do what is totally yooo. Hopefully they'll grow up from it.
By the way, fact: Those of having mother language as Russian have sometimes difficulty constructing sentances from Russian into English. The problem is that Russian language apart from Roman languages build up sentances in a diffirent way than in Roman languages. I think this also fits for other Slavian languages. My English teacher explained me something about it, and most of the time when I speak English and i get mistakes in works, they're simply because Englishmen are supposed to say in a way I never would've thought of while talking in Russian. This can also apply for other languages.
Yeah, it's the same with Swedish. We put the words in a different way than English, so it's kind of frustrating to put them at the right place sometimes. You like involuntarily put them where they should not be at. That's something you have to work very hard with to get it perfectly.
I correct people so they would learn, and people take that as trolling, and I think it's stupid... People doesn't try to improve their English but they try to force people to understand their bad English, that's what I hate. I always tried to improve my English for years and I'm now much better in English than I was three years ago.
People should actually be glad that some people want to teach them the right way of spelling, or whatsoever. It doesn't necessarily have to be trolling.
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Well, I am a fluent English speaker, I've never discriminated against the way others speak/write. However sometimes I correct mistakes to help them improve, but I don't constantly shove the fact that their English isn't perfect into their face. If someone does provoke you because of your English grammar level, just report them, they cannot judge you. They may have a better vocabulary than you but you may be a better person than them.
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Many English I have met would admit that they were using the worst version of their own language.
As in general, what is important is that people understand your meaning. If it is written in perfect grammar and punctuation, or with help of a translator does not really matter to me.
Native speakers will usually have more trouble understanding foreign English, especially if they know just English as language. By adding more languages, you learn to understand the general building of sentences in a way people will understand.
In international business I have learnt not to use a very high level of English. The more complicated you write, the higher the chances are someone will need an interpreter. Direct communication is always the best.
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Hello , I am Que ! W'zup yo ? ? .
yeah, these people really piss me off
XXX is banned by YYY for stop hacking!.
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Native speakers will usually have more trouble understanding foreign English, especially if they know just English as language. By adding more languages, you learn to understand the general building of sentences in a way people will understand.
In international business I have learnt not to use a very high level of English. The more complicated you write, the higher the chances are someone will need an interpreter. Direct communication is always the best.
I can't agree more.
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I don't agree with Doggi on this one.
I think some players just put more effort on writting correctly and others doesn't. It's all the same...
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I suppose I have C1 level.
In Estonia you get official B2.2 level recognized if you get 80+ points on your A-level exam.In international business I have learnt not to use a very high level of English. The more complicated you write, the higher the chances are someone will need an interpreter. Direct communication is always the best.
"Even though your proposal of buy 100 shares of put option is seemingly splendid, it does contradict my priority hierarchy, so I must deny your request."
Gandalf: "Piss off."
At least that was, what went through my mind when I read it : )
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For f**k sake Daco, you think that's funny?
Are you serious, sir? That add-on is a great tool and has helped me many times. I have learned the correct way of spelling countless words with it... and you take that as an insult? What is wrong with you? Daco is just trying to help.
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Are you serious, sir? That add-on is a great tool and has helped me many times. I have learned the correct way of spelling countless words with it... and you take that as an insult? What is wrong with you? Daco is just trying to help.
I'd also suggest that add-on. I don't really see it as a insult.
It has helped me a lot, as I usually tend to get confused with how many letters one word has ("depend"/"deppend", for example).
Related to the discrimination against those who can't speak in proper English...at least in 2009-2010 there wasn't (at least, that was noticeable - lol, I just wrote noticeble, corrected it thanks to the add-on) any kind of discrimination like that.
I haven't witnessed anything like that, but I've witnessed people who can write understandable English being discriminated for writing "liek dis".
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I've been using that add-on also, great one. Helps me realize and fix my mistakes, and learn from them, preventing me from re-doing them in future writing !
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For me, any discrimination comes from the fact that you'd expect a smart and educated english person to speak very well, but would expect a dirty chav (for example) to speak like he learnt how to do so using a bloody cereal box or something. It's an innate prejudice that I therefore sometimes judge (often incorrectly) people's intelligence and more based off of the way they speak or write. For example, I once met a french person who didn't speak much english at all, and my mind almost wanted me to treat him like a child (even though he was actually older than me). Anyone whose main language is not English is liable to fall under this prejudice of mine so, in advance, sorry gents.
As for those who are not native english speakers, until you do actually perfect the way you speak or write in english, please take advice from those who do. They are probably trying to help you improve your english skills and also avoid prejudices like I mentioned above.
Careful observers will note that there are no Kumichos that do not have and regularly use TS in Araatus, and to top that off none that do not speak with a British or American accent. This is mainly due to actual ability to understand rather than the prejudice I mentioned above, so you should take that into account when getting angry at people judging you - i.e. they may simply not be able to comprehend your meaning whether in voice or text. In such case, be patient with them if they are with you and try to explain your meaning using a different structure or with different words.
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I think some players just put more effort on writting correctly and others doesn't. It's all the same...
Its not just based on effort, some people try their best to speak the most fluent English but may not appear to put much effort into the way they express themselves. And no, it is not all the same.
Btw, is it just me or have people's English improved in this topic alone? I've noticed some people speaking a high level English in this thread. Maybe they are just trying harder? :lol:
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I always go with the person who can express themselves properly. You can always teach a person who you can communicate proficiently with something new, but you can't teach a person who you can't communicate with.
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Oh cmon!
Is it just me or all those who were accusing others in bad English and shouted them "go fucking learn English" - now sit as a high level nice specialists and teachers for free just cos they wanna help you?
The thing is not in teaching people or not - of cos yes, you can help them in a normal way...
The topic is about insulting non-speaking players with their level of English...
I myself in such situations just tell: you know only your own language and I know mine and yours, so who is more advanced?
I suggest those who are trying to excuse their flames against bad english of other players stop playing innocent teachers...
We all know what is this topic about....
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Aragorn, let's make this forum Russian-only, shit's gonna be so cash :D
ÃÂÂÂтþ ñыûþ ñы уôøòøтõûьýыü.
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Aragorn, let's make this forum Russian-only, shit's gonna be so cash :D
I think Russians will still have problems to understand me, lol... As I use a non standard idiomatic forms...
Edit:
*ÃÂœøûøцõùÑÂÂúðѠòþûýð* üõýт Øòðýþò: ßþúрþù üõýÑÂÂ, ÿрøõü
:rofl:
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ÃÂÂÂтþ ñыûþ ñы уôøòøтõûьýыü.
ÃÂÂÂтþ ñыûþ ñы ÑÂÂтрðýýыü... :)
Thanks for attempt... :)
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Careful observers will note that there are no Kumichos that do not have and regularly use TS in Araatus, and to top that off none that do not speak with a British or American accent. This is mainly due to actual ability to understand rather than the prejudice I mentioned above, so you should take that into account when getting angry at people judging you - i.e. they may simply not be able to comprehend your meaning whether in voice or text. In such case, be patient with them if they are with you and try to explain your meaning using a different structure or with different words.
Except me, my accents thicker than 4 day old custard, I'm just awesome though.
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ÃÂÂÂõ, ÑÂÂõрьõ÷ýþ, üþöõт ÿþÿрþñуõü ÑÂÂôõûðть òÑÂÂõ ýð руÑÂÂÑÂÂúþü? ï уöõ ÿрõôÑÂÂтðòÃÂȄÂÂÑŽ úþûøчõÑÂÂтòþ ñðттхõртð.
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hey guy's .
ÃÂÂÂõ, ÑÂÂõрьõ÷ýþ, üþöõт ÿþÿрþñуõü ÑÂÂôõûðть òÑÂÂõ ýð руÑÂÂÑÂÂúþü? ï уöõ ÿрõôÑÂÂтðòÃÂȄÂÂÑŽ úþûøчõÑÂÂтòþ ñðттхõртð.
ãóу.
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There is a huge gap between the grammar nazis and innocent teachers.. :roll:
In international business I have learnt not to use a very high level of English. The more complicated you write, the higher the chances are someone will need an interpreter. Direct communication is always the best.
Agreed.
Use as much as shiny words you want, if the receiver doesn't know the meaning of them, you are talking to a wall.
Of course that "complicated" way of talking is pretty, if you are talking to the correct person/group. But you should analyse the capacity of receiver before talking like that and to be honest not everyone knows that much about english (Example: BlackEagle). I think using basic english is a better idea than talking shakespearish in a public zone of an international community.
I mean..
gO.[Go]_3[0! has been banned by Mr.Admin for Malicious Firearm Exploitation.
admin: :cool:
players: :conf:?
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gO.[Go]_3[0! has been banned by Mr.Admin for Malicious Firearm Exploitation.
admin: :cool:
players: :conf:?
Frank Hawk did that, with an attempt to look cool. And iMunna too, i think?
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iMunna did possess a high caliber of fluency in English, one that contained enough similarities to the brainchild of a thesaurus... my guess would be that he was in actuality a high-level english speaker, or one who crafted all his posts in a thesaurus website.
Ofc dat noany change his troll english after he was doed demote and start talk lyk dis, mothafckas!
Getting back to the main topic, I do disagree with those who discriminate simply because of English. However, if someone speaks shitty english and continues to deliberately speak shitty english (it doed be lyk dis yo, u dig?), then it shows that they lack the desire to self-improve. I would look with more prejudice on someone with no intentions of improving themselves than on someone who has low skills but is actually trying to gain more.
Just because your english is not perfect, that does not mean you are not respectable... however if you already know good english yet continue to speak like a retard, then you are simply degrading yourself.
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I myself in such situations just tell: you know only your own language and I know mine and yours, so who is more advanced?
Thanks for this, will use it ;)
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I was expecting to see some police brutality video after noticing the title.
It would be extremely easier if you learnt and tried to improve your English instead of coughing up some speech and expecting revolution like in Egypt. No one's going to stop because that's stupid; it is not negative to criticize one's spelling and/or punctuation, you should in fact thank those who take a minute or two finding several mistakes in order to help.
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If you mean examples such as
Guy1: I goed to there house yesterday
Guy2: OMG FAIL... you mean went* and their*
Then I no longer believe that is helpful. It can damage a person's ego and give them the idea they are inferior because of lack of english skills.
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If you mean examples such as
Guy1: I goed to there house yesterday
Guy2: OMG FAIL... you mean went* and their*
Then I no longer believe that is helpful. It can damage a person's ego and give them the idea they are inferior because of lack of english skills.
If I was Guy1, I would consider that helpful now that I know my mistakes. Only weak people get offended on the internet.
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I myself can deal with flaming... what I am worried about are the younger members who do not know how to cope yet. As you know, we have members in this community who are quite young.
Lastly, this is Argonath, not the mere internet... unlike wastelands such as /b/ we do not tolerate disrespect here.
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That isn't disrespect, it is solely pointing out one's mistakes using any technique available. He can still learn.
I don't see why you involve /b/ in here, a section from an image sharing website.
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You and I both know that /b/ is not merely an imageboard. :)
As for grammar, there are ways to help someone improve their grammar, and to show them mistakes, yes. However, there are also ways to do it without belittling or disrespecting the person.
The problem is, most of our "grammar specialists" demean and belittle people when pointing out grammar mistakes.
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Correct me if I am wrong but, Argonath Is supposed to be a community , that is, people acting as friends, family and a team. If somebody is from a non-English speaking country and then can actually can talk English, even if it is good or bad, surely that is a good thing?
Expecting people from all across the world to conform to "perfect" English is ridiculous, if the Argonath community was, say, a German speaking community, how much effort would you put into learning German so you can communicate with everybody?
We are a community of over 50 country's, you can't seriously expect everybody to be from an English country or have good English knowledge.
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No one's expecting you to be Shakespeare, but at least fix some stupid mistakes if you're even bothering to put some effort in your writing. This makes me want to open a simple guide to wake people up.
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We are the World - Michael Jackson, Ray Charles, Diana Ross, Bob Dylan, Bette Midler, Stevie Wonder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy1gp3F5NhY#)
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unlike wastelands such as /b/ we do not tolerate disrespect here.
.... Not only have I seen you disrespect (We all have disrespected one or another at one time), but you also disrespect something at the same time of saying disrespect is not tolerated.
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Frank you really know how to cheer people up :lol:
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Everyone should know that not all have the same predispositions when it comes to knowledge. Especially learning/education quality and such.
Learn to accept it and you'll get used to the word toleration.
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Typing perfect english on the forums is easy considering alot of the players use thesaurus and translations. However when it comes to teamspeak not even 10 percent can speak it in the same manner.
I dont fuss about the complexity or simplicity of the english language on the forums but teamspeak is a different scenario. Dont get me wrong, am not refering to the accent...
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Why you guys CONSTANTLY base people on there english, and not there personallity, or there knowlege of the server? eatch application you f**king see, you have a major chance on acceptence if you know perfect english, but dont know shit about the server!
And otherwise, little english, much server knowlege, and you dont get shit!!
This really has to stop, start basing people on there argonath life, NOT THERE f**kING ENGLISH LEVEL, IM SO FREAKING SICK OF THIS!!
The only thing that has to stop is your moaning.
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My opinion on this is simple - If a person is not good at English due to their region, they should not be exempt from anything, as the only way they can get better is to be around people who do speak it good, practice, and even buy books or software to teach them English. They can not control where they are born and grow up in.
However, if they are in a country in which English is the main language (such as US, UK, Australia, etc), they ought to have learned proper writing and spelling skills early in school.
So really, yes, people can't be excluded due to regional background, but those people should be obligated to work on improving their English with the help of friends. And people who are from English speaking countries should be expected to know a good bit of English. If such people lack that, they are either not paying attention in school or are being lazy and not using their brain.
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If your offered help (not by smart boys who correct your grammar or spelling to annoy you) by people and you don't accept it, dont complain when people talk about your english. Take any help you DO need, and enjoy it.
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That's just some bullshit, you can't separate people into 2 groups, the ones who can speak good and those who can't. I mean, It's just silly to do.
For me, I've got no problem with people who can't speak properly, if needed I can even attempt to help them (if they are willing.) What I need from somebody in order to communicate, is a simple understanding, no special vocabulary needed or complex conversations.
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ÃÂÂÂтþ ñыûþ ñы уôøòøтõûьýыü.
Google Translate ôûѠÿþñõôы хõ-хõ :razz:
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ÃÂÂÂтþ üõöôуýðрþôýыù фþруü, ÿþöðûуùÑÂÂтð, øÑÂÂÿþûь÷уùтõ ðýóûøùÑÂÂúøù ÑÂÂ÷ыú!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
So, will you? :poke:
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If you mean examples such as
Guy1: I goed to there house yesterday
Guy2: OMG FAIL... you mean went* and their*
Then I no longer believe that is helpful. It can damage a person's ego and give them the idea they are inferior because of lack of english skills.
If I was Guy1, I would consider that helpful now that I know my mistakes.
You do not see how that was slightly insulting? Look at the first 2 words "OMG FAIL". He may think that Guy2 is making fun of the way he speaks English.
Guy2 could have expressed it in a nicer way by saying, "Hey, I think you mean went* and their* ;)". That can make all the difference, while getting the same message across in a non-insulting manner.
Correct me if I am wrong but, Argonath Is supposed to be a community , that is, people acting as friends, family and a team. If somebody is from a non-English speaking country and then can actually can talk English, even if it is good or bad, surely that is a good thing?
Expecting people from all across the world to conform to "perfect" English is ridiculous, if the Argonath community was, say, a German speaking community, how much effort would you put into learning German so you can communicate with everybody?
We are a community of over 50 country's, you can't seriously expect everybody to be from an English country or have good English knowledge.
QFT.
Like I said, we are an international server - and therefore people will have different levels of English. Whats important is that we are a community and do our best to communicate with everyone and not pick on others that don't speak fluent English.
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yea... stop this
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I don't care if you can't speak perfect english, but at least make an attempt to write it to the best of your ability. If you're foreign, consider it a learning experience. When I type either German or English I try to speak as correctly as I can, because it just looks professional.
But obviously if there is someone who is Russian and barely knows any English, I won't be as likely to try and communicate with them, because it will be pointlessly difficult.
There is a reason English is the main language of this server.
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I don't see the point of being that formal in a such gaming community.
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If I was Guy1, I would consider that helpful now that I know my mistakes.
You do not see how that was slightly insulting? Look at the first 2 words "OMG FAIL". He may think that Guy2 is making fun of the way he speaks English.
What's your point? I know it is insulting, and AFAIK hardly anyone really does get offended by that.
Guy2 could have expressed it in a nicer way by saying, "Hey, I think you mean went* and their* ;)". That can make all the difference, while getting the same message across in a non-insulting manner.
Exactly, Guy1 is getting the same message across in another manner; it is still the same message. About expressing it in a nicer way, I wouldn't get my hopes up - this is the Internet (I find it ironic that we don't have to know English well, yet we must be gentlemen and cavaliers when it comes to expressing ourselves on the web).
If you are that worried about people mocking your grammar, how about attempting to fix it? It's not so backbreaking.
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I myself got many google translated messages on Russian...
I can honestly say that some of them took me a time to understand... And even a help from Gandalf... :D
But no way I will write an answer like: lol learn first Russian then come to me or OMG FAIL You must write this or that sentence in other way!!!!
Opposite, I do respect such attempts of players and it shows me that they respect me as well... And I have no worries to try to understand them...
I think English speaking players just do not respect others because they think that all should know English by the default...
They do not understand what is this for foreigner to know a foreign language, to talk on it and even to think on it...
So I suggest those who do not like Argonath players talking bad English - try to talk with them on their language... Then you will understand what work is that and, probably, you will start respect them, not just as dude from net who sucks in your perfect English...
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...try to talk with them on their language... Then you will understand what work is that and, probably, you will start respect them, not just as dude from net who sucks in your perfect English...
Blame the imperialism and the colonial besieging.
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Great point Void, have a read of the following:
By the time the British left India in 1947 they had given the subcontinent a number of priceless assets, including the English language, but also a structure of good government, local organisation and logistical infrastructure that still holds good today. Far from damaging India, British imperial rule gave it a head start. At the centre of this was the Indian Civil Service, the 1,000 strong "heaven-born" group of administrators that ran the country. Their role in laying the foundations for strong, efficient government in India has never been accorded the respect and admiration it deserves.
While history has recorded that the ICS were aloof and disdainful of the "natives", in reality, the men who ran India were selfless, efficient and - most importantly of all - completely incorruptible. Not only did they oversee the spread of good government, western education, modern medicine and the rule of law, they also put in place local works, famine relief, and irrigation projects, most notably in the Punjab, which benefited enormously from what was then the largest irrigation project in the world.
Perhaps the most priceless asset of all was the English language itself, which gave a unity to the subcontinent that it had never known before and which is allowing India's people to do business around the world today with great success. Indeed, it is indicative of this that in February 2011, a Dalit (formerly untouchable) community in Uttar Pradesh built a shrine to the goddess English, which they believe will help them learn the English language and climb out of their grinding poverty.
Although Britain was not able to replicate its success in India everywhere across its vast colonial empire, it is still clear the empire gave its colonies real, tangible benefits. Wherever the British ruled, they erected a light, relatively inexpensive form of government that was not corrupt, was stable, and was favourable to outside investors. Its imperial civil servants may not always have been completely sympathetic to local peoples, but they were always motivated by humanitarian impulses and did their best in often difficult circumstances. Indeed, when we look at Africa, many of the benefits of imperial rule were squandered in the generations after independence with a succession of corrupt and brutal regimes.
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Look at it this way:
Person who doesnt know Egnlish comes to the server _______________________________________ ______________________________ Now he has much server experience.
(time to become a pro without good english skills)
Person with great Egnlish skills comes to the server _____________________ Now he has much server experience.
Doesnt matter how ling a person plays the server. If he doesnt know English you have bad communication with him and Im for an example wouldn't accept someone with whom I wont be able to communicate.
If its a person with high English skills, he will learn quickly and I will be able to teach him quickly.
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The way I see it is If I can communicate with some well and have them Understand me and I understand them, then there is no problem. I'm from Canada, so English is my Primary Language. If someone is trying to communicate with me, and I don't understand them, I be honest and tell them. It's no big deal and it's not like it should offend them.
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Great point Void, have a read of the following:
By the time the British left India in 1947 they had given the subcontinent a number of priceless assets, including the English language, but also a structure of good government, local organisation and logistical infrastructure that still holds good today. Far from damaging India, British imperial rule gave it a head start. At the centre of this was the Indian Civil Service, the 1,000 strong "heaven-born" group of administrators that ran the country. Their role in laying the foundations for strong, efficient government in India has never been accorded the respect and admiration it deserves.
While history has recorded that the ICS were aloof and disdainful of the "natives", in reality, the men who ran India were selfless, efficient and - most importantly of all - completely incorruptible. Not only did they oversee the spread of good government, western education, modern medicine and the rule of law, they also put in place local works, famine relief, and irrigation projects, most notably in the Punjab, which benefited enormously from what was then the largest irrigation project in the world.
Perhaps the most priceless asset of all was the English language itself, which gave a unity to the subcontinent that it had never known before and which is allowing India's people to do business around the world today with great success. Indeed, it is indicative of this that in February 2011, a Dalit (formerly untouchable) community in Uttar Pradesh built a shrine to the goddess English, which they believe will help them learn the English language and climb out of their grinding poverty.
Although Britain was not able to replicate its success in India everywhere across its vast colonial empire, it is still clear the empire gave its colonies real, tangible benefits. Wherever the British ruled, they erected a light, relatively inexpensive form of government that was not corrupt, was stable, and was favourable to outside investors. Its imperial civil servants may not always have been completely sympathetic to local peoples, but they were always motivated by humanitarian impulses and did their best in often difficult circumstances. Indeed, when we look at Africa, many of the benefits of imperial rule were squandered in the generations after independence with a succession of corrupt and brutal regimes.
Well said Frank. I respect Britishers because of the assets they gave us. They ceased 'Sati', ceased Discrimination among high caste and low caste of Hindus. And gave us the most valuable asset, English. Nowadays in India, A person with a little or no English knowledge can't keep up with others, Can't get a basic job with at least a decent Income.
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How about you guys add a Spelling check on the forums? it coud help..
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How about you guys add a Spelling check on the forums? it coud help..
Use Google Chrome, Firefox or whatever, there's already a spelling checker added.
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Use Google Chrome, Firefox or whatever, there's already a spelling checker added.
Well, there is a spelling check..but if its sayd to Dutch, and it wo,t correct your mistakes or give you sudgestions...its worthless
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Set it to English instead of Dutch.
Also, from a friend to another: said* (should be set), won't*, suggestions*, it's* :)
If you feel offended by this, please tell me.
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They said simply was a typo..the rest i guessed :3
Also, how i change the langauge from Dutch to English? :s
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Great point Void,
This is a segment of your post which refers to the second part of my post ("imperialism and the colonial besieging")
have a read of the following:
By the time the British left India in 1947 they had given the subcontinent a number of priceless assets, including the English language, but also a structure of good government, local organisation and logistical infrastructure that still holds good today. Far from damaging India, British imperial rule gave it a head start. At the centre of this was the Indian Civil Service, the 1,000 strong "heaven-born" group of administrators that ran the country. Their role in laying the foundations for strong, efficient government in India has never been accorded the respect and admiration it deserves.
While history has recorded that the ICS were aloof and disdainful of the "natives", in reality, the men who ran India were selfless, efficient and - most importantly of all - completely incorruptible. Not only did they oversee the spread of good government, western education, modern medicine and the rule of law, they also put in place local works, famine relief, and irrigation projects, most notably in the Punjab, which benefited enormously from what was then the largest irrigation project in the world.
Perhaps the most priceless asset of all was the English language itself, which gave a unity to the subcontinent that it had never known before and which is allowing India's people to do business around the world today with great success. Indeed, it is indicative of this that in February 2011, a Dalit (formerly untouchable) community in Uttar Pradesh built a shrine to the goddess English, which they believe will help them learn the English language and climb out of their grinding poverty.
Although Britain was not able to replicate its success in India everywhere across its vast colonial empire, it is still clear the empire gave its colonies real, tangible benefits. Wherever the British ruled, they erected a light, relatively inexpensive form of government that was not corrupt, was stable, and was favourable to outside investors. Its imperial civil servants may not always have been completely sympathetic to local peoples, but they were always motivated by humanitarian impulses and did their best in often difficult circumstances. Indeed, when we look at Africa, many of the benefits of imperial rule were squandered in the generations after independence with a succession of corrupt and brutal regimes.
This is a segment of your post which refers to my "Blame" part of the post, isn't it? :D
Jokes aside, but what you've written is true. Now, this is not the topic to discuss about this subject so I apologize for starting it. There is a lot more to add about the subject of the Britain's "Biggest jewel in the Crown".
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They said simply was a typo..the rest i guessed :3
Also, how i change the langauge from Dutch to English? :s
I'm using Chrome. If you start to write on Dutch (Swedish for me), you can right click on the word that got a red line underneath itself, and choose the language you want.
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In Argonath forums, I do not believe a spelling check would be necessary. It already causes enough trouble IRL, why bring it here?
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Why can't i quote argonath forums adverts.
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Why can't i quote argonath forums adverts.
Why would you want to ? To troll topics ?
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Why would you want to ? To troll topics ?
Man, seriously. Stop going like "U TROLL", "WTF TROLL BAN!", "sir quit troll pls" for everything. :neutral:
Nowadays every single joke is taken as trolling...
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Man, seriously. Stop going like "U TROLL", "WTF TROLL BAN!", "sir quit troll pls" for everything. :neutral:
Nowadays every single joke is taken as trolling...
I liked your reaction on Gandalf's joke...
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In Argonath forums, I do not believe a spelling check would be necessary. It already causes enough trouble IRL
Which are?
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I liked your reaction on Gandalf's joke...
u trollin me :(
Spell checker for Firefox. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/spell-checker/)
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I presume then, Daco, that you are not a user of Apple products?
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I presume then, Daco, that you are not a user of Apple products?
No, why?
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Personally I am not a user of Apple products, although I've known some poor souls who had tons of trouble with Apple's auto-correction software on their devices (such as the iTouch) before they learned to disable it.
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Personally I am not a user of Apple products, I've known some poor souls who had tons of trouble with Apple's auto-correction software on their devices (such as the iTouch) before they learned to disable it.
That's the part where iPhone and iTouch turned into iFail :D
Anyway, about grammar correction, basicly I never use them even tough I got one installed on Firefox, but to me it's better to learn from my own mistakes and improve it myself instead of letting a machine tell me how to type a specific word.
Argonath has too many people that expect a formal usage of the english language. Even if it is not their usual writing style, they'll try it do make them look more mature. Understandable, but Argonath consists out of many ages, we should respect all styles and forms, aslong the member follows the rules.
I rather have more respect for someone trying to communicate english on Argonath than someone with English as mother language breaking down others.
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Personally I am not a user of Apple products, although I've known some poor souls who had tons of trouble with Apple's auto-correction software on their devices (such as the iTouch) before they learned to disable it.
Yes, its irritating. Happens to me all the times. Tho, I get spelling corrections for Dutch, Russian and Italian.
When I write an English word wrong, it corrects to a word from the above mentioned language.
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That's the part where iPhone and iTouch turned into iFail :D
If that's the thing making those wonderful products bad.. Then the user is just not capable of owning such technology. :roll:
I have both, you don't need to be a IQ 150+ to figure out how to turn the auto-correction off :neutral:
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Void, you know Dutch?
Goedemorgen :)
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eatch application you f**king see, you have a major chance on acceptence if you know perfect english, but dont know shit about the server!
Partially true. The last part (dont know shit about the server) is untrue, as far as I'm concerned in Gvardia.
The reason for lenience towards good English is for enhanced communication. If someone on the admin team had very shitty English skills, they'd find it difficult to follow even the most basic procedures and will be unable to punish players in accordance to the rules. Also, the higher-ups will find it difficult to communicate with them.
In Gvardia, if you have a hard time understanding basic English, we may be unable to discipline you appropriately. Fortunately, a lot of our members speak Serbian, giving some members who know Serbian and some basic English an advantage when they don't quite catch something.
Imagine the "when i have in lspd i kill all polices and one admins" guy in the admin team with that kind of English.
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I cannot imagine the outcome... :eek:
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I myself got many google translated messages on Russian...
I can honestly say that some of them took me a time to understand... And even a help from Gandalf... :D
But no way I will write an answer like: lol learn first Russian then come to me or OMG FAIL You must write this or that sentence in other way!!!!
Opposite, I do respect such attempts of players and it shows me that they respect me as well... And I have no worries to try to understand them...
I think English speaking players just do not respect others because they think that all should know English by the default...
They do not understand what is this for foreigner to know a foreign language, to talk on it and even to think on it...
So I suggest those who do not like Argonath players talking bad English - try to talk with them on their language... Then you will understand what work is that and, probably, you will start respect them, not just as dude from net who sucks in your perfect English...
My first language wasn't English, and I still do pretty damn well don't I?
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With due all respect, someone who can write in perfect English looks better on an application. The problem is, how are you supposed to know how good someone is if writing on a crap application form?
For example, I admit I will tend to pick someone with a better knowledge of the English language for the Air Traffic Control team, as it looks more professional over the radio. But on the other hand, their general knowledge of the English language could be poor, but because they have studied how to speak over the ATC radio, they could be perfect! Time just needs to be spent watching how people work...
Aragorn, I love the way you write...you and Gandalf write totally differently, which I think makes you work well as a team. You're a definite "no bullshit" kind of guy, and usually make me laugh with how blunt and to the point your answers are.
Some people, however, you see writing English which is barely comprehensible. I'll respect if someone uses more simple English, but does it properly, rather than someone who tries to write huge words and doesn't get it right...maybe it is wrong, but I normally like to see good grammar. Certain aspects of the server need that, and others do not.
It does make me smile when I see someone writing in a way which makes perfect sense, but has extra words in there which we would not normally say...because to me it feels like they are really making an effort to speak correctly. I won't knock someone down because of that at all! Mind you...I don't knock anyone down on their language anyway...
About spell-checkers...I automatically get one when I am using the Opera browser, and it annoys me when it underlines words like "recognise" because I have spelt it in the English way...not the American! Though I really can't be bothered changing it. While on that subject, "spelt" also gets underlined! It is the official Queen's English spelling, but in America people mostly use "spelled", so on my dictionary that's what it recognises...
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Why bring an old topic like this back to life? :poke:
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Why bring an old topic like this back to life? :poke:
The problem isn't solved.
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The problem isn't solved.
I think it got solved when the topic died :)
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I think it got solved when the topic died :)
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You have a major chance on acceptance if you know "perfect" english, but dont know shit about the server!
Having good english skills is the VERY BEST basis to gain knowledge of the server. To get to know advanced and professional RP.
Having a good imagination is quite useless if you cant express yourself. And thats the whole point.
And since your RP skill is mostly determined by the way you can express yourself, meaning how good you speak english, theres no need to discuss any further.
And otherwise, little english, much server knowlege, and you dont get shit!!
Like stated before, you cant do shit with "little english", so thats what you get with it.
"Knowing about the server" means nothing to me personally. And I bet many people are with me, because most "server knowledge" comes naturally (and even faster if you understand english well).
Bad english might have these effects on people you talk with:
They assume youre:
Low age (Immatureness, Hard / sometimes impossible to explain stuff)
Low Education (Hard / sometimes impossible to explain stuff)
Intentional Trolling (Making fun of people, harassing them)
Me personally, I dont refuse to roleplay with new, young or "dumb" players at all. (I am referring to my three points, not to Argo players actually)
But I refuse to roleplay with those who are unable to communicate and express themselves (in english).
Got my point?
My kind advice?
Work on your ENGLISH!
And dont blame others if they dont want to RP with you because you lack it.
See, your "server knowledge" counts nothing here. Correct me if Im wrong.
No insult/offence intended
annotations desired
Regards,
Paolo
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Having good english skills is the VERY BEST basis to gain knowledge of the server. To get to know advanced and professional RP.
Having a good imagination is quite useless if you cant express yourself. And thats the whole point.
And since your RP skill is mostly determined by the way you can express yourself, meaning how good you speak english, theres no need to discuss any further.
Like stated before, you cant do shit with "little english", so thats what you get with it.
"Knowing about the server" means nothing to me personally. And I bet many people are with me, because most "server knowledge" comes naturally (and even faster if you understand english well).
Bad english might have these effects on people you talk with:
They assume youre:
Low age (Immatureness, Hard / sometimes impossible to explain stuff)
Low Education (Hard / sometimes impossible to explain stuff)
Intentional Trolling (Making fun of people, harassing them)
Me personally, I dont refuse to roleplay with new, young or "dumb" players at all. (I am referring to my three points, not to Argo players actually)
But I refuse to roleplay with those who are unable to communicate and express themselves (in english).
Got my point?
My kind advice?
Work on your ENGLISH!
And dont blame others if they dont want to RP with you because you lack it.
See, your "server knowledge" counts nothing here. Correct me if Im wrong.
No insult/offence intended
annotations desired
Regards,
Paolo
Read the entire topic before posting...
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My English is not the best, but it does not stop me doing good RP.
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
:lol:
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
Haha!
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Hrrrr Drrrr another moan topic ...
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
Wha' chu' gon do 'bout it dawg :neutral:
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Hrrrr Drrrr another moan topic ...
If it was just a moan topic, with no truth in it...do you think the owners would have commented in the way they did? :trust:
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If it was just a moan topic, with no truth in it...do you think the owners would have commented in the way they did? :trust:
yes to troll :razz:
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
niggas don't write like a pro' eh.
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
Problem? :neutral:
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yes to troll :razz:
:rofl:
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
Sad and ironic truth. :)
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I'm not part of the some...I speak like us county folk should...unless I'm on the ATC radio :redface:
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>Be on Argonath
>Discuss issues or things you think should be improved
>"omg another moan topic"
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chea i get yo, but dude listen up: id rather work with bad rper than a guy with no english knowledge. Wanna know da reason? U can teach a bad rper to be a good rper, but u cant teach a guy who speaks english bad to speak english good. I agree with those guys who denied yo applications 100%. I hope i cleared some stuff to yo.
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but u cant teach a guy who speaks english bad to speak english good.
Uhm, yes you can. Let the one with difficulties hang out with a bunch of fluently speaking/writing English chit-chatters, and I'm pretty sure he will learn a little bit from just that.
Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
True.
I rather see someone write in proper English, than doing some battered abbreviations that has no sense whatsoever.
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Don't see the point in the topic actually...
I want professionalism and people who can be professional in groups I make. Without good english I don't get the professionalsim I searching for. I guess it's different to every player, but in groups I make I want to have people who can atleast write a meaning without grammar faults. I respecting every player, but some player I don't want in my groups just because they don't meet the requirements.
What I've seen, if you've poor knowledge of english you often, not every time, but often disrespecting people. It doesn't applies for everyone but most of the group called ''People with little less knowledge of english than the rest''. If you can't discuss in a proper way, then how the hell are you gonna be fine? Lets take an example, as an administrator you'll have to have good knowledge of english since you're the face of the server. With the face you speaking, and you'll need to speak to other players. You'll need to have synonoms so the player with poor knowledge of english can understand you.
This also applies within the FBI, if you don't have good knowledge of english, both written and spoken you isn't getting accepted since you'll not fit in. Maybe applies for the offical groups aswell? I mean, it's all connected as I said above, poor english = more disrespecting. And yes, I've seen it by my own...
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Don't see the point in the topic actually...
I want professionalism and people who can be professional in groups I make. Without good english I don't get the professionalsim I searching for. I guess it's different to every player, but in groups I make I want to have people who can atleast write a meaning without grammar faults. I respecting every player, but some player I don't want in my groups just because they don't meet the requirements.
What I've seen, if you've poor knowledge of english you often, not every time, but often disrespecting people. It doesn't applies for everyone but most of the group called ''People with little less knowledge of english than the rest''. If you can't discuss in a proper way, then how the hell are you gonna be fine? Lets take an example, as an administrator you'll have to have good knowledge of english since you're the face of the server. With the face you speaking, and you'll need to speak to other players. You'll need to have synonoms so the player with poor knowledge of english can understand you.
This also applies within the FBI, if you don't have good knowledge of english, both written and spoken you isn't getting accepted since you'll not fit in. Maybe applies for the offical groups aswell? I mean, it's all connected as I said above, poor english = more disrespecting. And yes, I've seen it by my own...
Your english is not professional at all, it is not even good.
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Uhm, yes you can. Let the one with difficulties hang out with a bunch of fluently speaking/writing English chit-chatters, and I'm pretty sure he will learn a little bit from just that.
True.
ok yo lemme get this straight NO ONE HERE IS GIVING ENGLISH LESSIONS. IT IS OK IF SOME1ONE DOSENT KNOW FEW ENGLISH WORDS, BUT IF A GUY/GIRL DOSENT KNOW MOST OF DA LANGUAGE THAN THERE IS NO POINT WORKING WITH HIM! IF YO DONT KNOW ENGLISH MUCH THAN DONT PLAY ON SERVER ON WICH ENGLISH IS MAIN LANGUAGE!
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Strongly agree with you Doggi. I used to play on another server and i didn't have really good English, i used to type like "yo, how 2 get mashine gunz?" You are correct, Doggi. Although, some people are more keen on someones English. Well, some need to know Basic English, obviously. Then they can learn, there is no need to discriminate one another because of their native tongue.
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ok yo lemme get this straight NO ONE HERE IS GIVING ENGLISH LESSIONS. IT IS OK IF SOME1ONE DOSENT KNOW FEW ENGLISH WORDS, BUT IF A GUY/GIRL DOSENT KNOW MOST OF DA LANGUAGE THAN THERE IS NO POINT WORKING WITH HIM! IF YO DONT KNOW ENGLISH MUCH THAN DONT PLAY ON SERVER ON WICH ENGLISH IS MAIN LANGUAGE!
I am more than happy to help someone with words or sentences. When I first started to play on Argonath I barely knew how to set up a meaning. To tell people who has less than decent level of English to not play the game is for me irrelevant. We have a guy named Thiago. in our group, he doesn't know more than "YOOOO" "hola enrique" and other small sentences, yet he is the one we love most. Why? Because he can express himself through animations, through small sentences and by being loyal.
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ok yo lemme get this straight NO ONE HERE IS GIVING ENGLISH LESSIONS. IT IS OK IF SOME1ONE DOSENT KNOW FEW ENGLISH WORDS, BUT IF A GUY/GIRL DOSENT KNOW MOST OF DA LANGUAGE THAN THERE IS NO POINT WORKING WITH HIM! IF YO DONT KNOW ENGLISH MUCH THAN DONT PLAY ON SERVER ON WICH ENGLISH IS MAIN LANGUAGE!
So many things explain that nobody would even want to work with you, no matter the English intellect that you hold.
Post Merge: October 29, 2011, 10:57:26 pm
Sad and ironic truth. :)
A roleplay character is a roleplay character. Everything that you know is not needed to be used for what you are roleplaying. So if you are a gangsta' in game, you aren't going to be speaking like a mad genius to your gang members.
Just another... let's say "intentionally favouring post".
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
Another intentionally favouring post.
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chea i get yo, but dude listen up: id rather work with bad rper than a guy with no english knowledge. Wanna know da reason? U can teach a bad rper to be a good rper, but u cant teach a guy who speaks english bad to speak english good. I agree with those guys who denied yo applications 100%. I hope i cleared some stuff to yo.
Actually, it's the other way around.
A "bad" role-player will never become a "good" role-player, because role-playing requires creativity. And, by considering a good role-player someone who is always innovating, it's hard for a person who is only used to walk around the hood or to rob banks to be more creative than that.
Now, I think most of us here, with a decent level of English, still remember the times when we had trouble with the language. Though, we improved with the help of friends and can now express ourselves easily.
Bottom line: It's easier for a person to learn a decent level of English rather than getting creative right out of the blue.
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Reason for banned : multi accounts
i would like to appologise for using multi accounts :cry:
i have to admit that i am sometimes stupid :drunk:
if i get unban , i promise , i will only use 1 id for the rest of my life
i will not make any more accounts
if you caught me making another account . you can ban me forever ,
i hope you forgive me and unban me :cry: :cry: :cry:
Argonath is the best RP server ever , i felt sorry for making multi accounts ,
you can delete all my other accounts
this time i wont ignore the rules :bow: :rules:
sorry ! to all admin :(
This is me 2.5 years ago. If only people stop judging people by their English knowledge. It was nice of Corleone to accept my application despite my grammar, spelling, etc. But then I met some funny grammar-nazis.
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We have a guy named Thiago. in our group, he doesn't know more than "YOOOO" "hola enrique" and other small sentences, yet he is the one we love most. Why? Because he can express himself through animations, through small sentences and by being loyal.
This is so beautiful...
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Me when I was almighty back in 2008, we really can't judge someone by their English level as I'm sure not all of us speaks English daily in real life, even I don't.
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That's what I called a change, Sean!
Pretty fun to see :razz:
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First of all i can see that all of you are litterealy showering me with posts in wich you say that it is easier to teach someone english than t teach him to role-play. I canot and i do not want to argue with so much players, i dont wanna argue at all. Since i dont wanna turn atmosphere here to bad atmosphere, i wanna just say that you have your own oppinion and i have mine oppinion. At least we can agree on that :?:
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Is the English school open? need to apply and learn :>
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Is the English school open? need to apply and learn :>
Yes, your english is horrendous.
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Is the English school open? need to apply and learn :>
Don't you have English lesson at school? :trust:
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Don't you have English lesson at school? :trust:
Mwuhahah, now I'm doing my A Levels, I can officially get rid of English Language and Literature! :D
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Pretty funny to see some people talking about how good command of English is needed and then watch them talking Nigga slang in RP.
LOL DUDE. How the hell is roleplay slang related with this topic? What should one do while roleplaying a person who can't talk proper english? By your logic, some gang nigga should be roleplayed like that;
Jamal Johnson: Hello brother. Would you mind giving me that blunt, please?
Clayton: There you go, kind sir.
Jamal takes the blunt and says: I appreciate it man, thank you.
Pretty funny to see some people supporting that ridiculous statement.
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To be picky..."Nigga slang"? I've seen white people talk like that, and black people talk perfectly.
Basic knowledge of English is needed in RP, for things like the /me command...you can speak how you like with /l, but /me should be in English.
Example:
/me hands a 9mm pistol to Eagle, with a mischievous smile on his face
/l Yo man, check out wha' I pulled from the mo'fo' at Grove Street!
OR
/me hands da man a 9mil
/l Yo man, check out wha' I pulled from the mo'fo' at Grove Street!
:roll:
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>argonath
>some random dude teaching me how to rp
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l625/mumutti/1312757066799-1.jpg)
Please don't go off topic. This topic is about grammar nazism in Argonath, not roleplaying. Thanks.
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Swearing, the international language :P
LOL DUDE. How the hell is roleplay slang related with this topic? What should one do while roleplaying a person who can't talk proper english? By your logic, some gang nigga should be roleplayed like that;
Jamal Johnson: Hello brother. Would you mind giving me that blunt, please?
Clayton: There you go, kind sir.
Jamal takes the blunt and says: I appreciate it man, thank you.
Pretty funny to see some people supporting that ridiculous statement.
Jolly good, ol' chap.
OfficerPosh : Drop the blunt lads, this firearm is ready to unleash the fury of **blam blam**
Balla's don't like proper english
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Swearing, the international language :P
Jolly good, ol' chap.
OfficerPosh : Drop the blunt lads, this firearm is ready to unleash the fury of **blam blam**
Balla's don't like proper english
Ok but please try to make sense next time.
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LOL DUDE. How the hell is roleplay slang related with this topic? What should one do while roleplaying a person who can't talk proper english? By your logic, some gang nigga should be roleplayed like that;
Jamal Johnson: Hello brother. Would you mind giving me that blunt, please?
Clayton: There you go, kind sir.
Jamal takes the blunt and says: I appreciate it man, thank you.
Pretty funny to see some people supporting that ridiculous statement.
He's pointing out the irony. It's not just gang RP's he's talking about. Go in SA:MP and watch and see how many Medics and Police Officers use it too.
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He's pointing out the irony. It's not just gang RP's he's talking about. Go in SA:MP and watch and see how many Medics and Police Officers use it too.
That's true...he said nigga slang, not gang slang :roll: