Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Dutchy on July 11, 2011, 06:00:32 pm
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I'm looking for a new mouse, because the one I have now is small.... And mostly for web browsing, not for gaming. I'm looking for a wireless gaming mouse, simply because I've been using wireless mice and keyboards for a long, long time. I've found two mice which seem interesting. It's either the Cyborg R.A.T 9 or Logitech G700. Both wireless gaming mice. I've been looking at lots of unboxings, demos and reviews, but there's a little bit of doubt between the 2.
With the R.A.T, I have a fully customizable mouse, very high quality and performance. But a little pricy - Around 100eur.
The Logitech G700 fits great with my keyboard, a Logitech Wireless K350, which is also ergonomic. And the price is around 85-90eur.
R.A.T 9 - Comes with two rechargeable batteries, a wireless receiver/battery charger, 3 palm-rest covers, 3 pinky-rest covers, 2 thumb-rest cover (All adjustable with a special screwdriver), 7 separate weights, and 7 programmable buttons.
(http://www.techgadgets.in/img/cyborg-rat-9-mouse.jpg)
(http://cyborggaming.com/imgs/gallery/r7_8.jpg)
(http://www.pcgamersworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/r9wireless.png)
MadCatz CYBORG R.A.T. 9 Wireless Gaming Mouse Unboxing & Review! Demo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ySn-UDnrHI#ws)
Logitech G700 - Comes with 1 rechargeable AA battery, a cable which recharges the battery while you can use the mouse and 7 programmable buttons.
(http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/09/logitech-g700-review/Logitechg700-2.jpg)
(http://progamingperipherals.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/G700-Wireless-Mouse_PGP02.jpg)
(http://updatesforu.com/tech/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Logitech-G700.jpg)
Logitech Wireless Gaming Mouse G700 Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsfXyWHJxF8#)
tl;dl - Cyborg R.A.T 9 or Logitech G700?
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I heard the rat, although customizable in size, is a bit too flat, so might be a bit uncomfortable to hold. But consider this as "[citaton needed]". Also heard it feels a bit like cheap plastic.
Looks damn awesome though, so you can show off with it.
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I heard the rat, although customizable in size, is a bit too flat, so might be a bit uncomfortable to hold. But consider this as "[citaton needed]". Also heard it feels a bit like cheap plastic.
Looks damn awesome though, so you can show off with it.
Indeed. It's still around 15eur more than the G700 though.
At this moment, I'm thinking about the G700, simply because I don't need a super-duper-gaming mouse. I just need something better than a mouse made for a 2year old's hand. :roll:
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3474/photo0158copy.jpg)
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7758/photo0159copy.jpg)
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9123/photo0160copy.jpg)
This is the one I currently use, not made for gaming at all.
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R.A.T 5 felt good for me. I'd definately choose the R.A.T instead of that logitech thing. If anything looks ''cheap'' and would feel ''plasticy'' it would be that Logitech mouse. Never liked Logitech anyways.
Saitek is known for its quality in keyboards, mouses andJoysticks. I have a lot of equipment made by them
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R.A.T 5 felt good for me. I'd definately choose the R.A.T instead of that logitech thing. If anything looks ''cheap'' and would feel ''plasticy'' it would be that Logitech mouse. Never liked Logitech anyways.
Saitek is known for its quality in keyboards, mouses andJoysticks. I have a lot of equipment made by them
I don't really mind a plasticy feeling, as I've used a hard-plastic Microsoft Wireless standard mouse for over a year. It was a bit heavy and didn't have any grip, so I wanted an other one. Now it's too small :( The R.A.T will definitely have a good grip, but I don't really need that much grip, as I'm not a hardcore gamer. I guess I'll save for it, and when I have enough for at least the G700, I'll think about it again. If anyone has any more tips, feel free to post. ;)
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Ive got a rat 7, (the wired version of the Rat 9) best mouse ive ever had, i bought it cause a friend recommended it, and have not regretted it since(although my friend managed to break his), i havent had any problems, and the completely adjustable setup means you can make it fit to your hand and style of holding the mouse, its honestly the most comfortable mouse ever.
also some people have asked me if i broke my mouse and thats why it looks like it does, i just laugh and say " Thats not a mouse, Its a Rat".
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Saitek is known for its quality in [...]Joysticks.
I got the F.L.Y.5 and it indeed does feel cheap at places when taking a closer look, especially when twisting the handle it feels like holding an empty tic tac box in your hand. But still looks cool on the desk.
On the other hand (no pun intended) I did have one chance to hold a mouse shaped like that Logitech one and though it doesn't look that comfortable, it surprisingly fits the hand very well.
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Well, I'm using a bog standard wireless set.
Logitech MK250.
Works like a dream, cannot see any need for an expensive set.
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Well, I'm using a bog standard wireless set.
Logitech MK250.
Works like a dream, cannot see any need for an expensive set.
My keyboard is fine, I just need a new mouse. + Logitech is awesome :D
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I've had a Logitech G5 before my R.A.T. V9 and I must say that even though the Logitech felt nice, it felt a little less smooth than my new R.A.T. V9
With that said, I think if you buy the R.A.T. V9 you will not be disappointed! The only thing that might bother you is that you have to switch the battery 2-3 times a day if you sit behind your computer all day. Else it's like 1 time per 1-2 days. Takes less than 15 seconds though.
However it takes some days to get used to it and all the components are a bit "Stuck" at first. You have to use the batteries and such first a bit before they slide in easier etc. Or and the sensor seems to be quite sensitive... 1 little crumble can make it upset. So make sure you don't crumble all over the place ;)
So yes, buy it!
However Logitech is fine too but so far I find the R.A.T. better than my previous mouses.
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I've had a Logitech G5 before my R.A.T. V9 and I must say that even though the Logitech felt nice, it felt a little less smooth than my new R.A.T. V9
With that said, I think if you buy the R.A.T. V9 you will not be disappointed! The only thing that might bother you is that you have to switch the battery 2-3 times a day if you sit behind your computer all day. Else it's like 1 time per 1-2 days. Takes less than 15 seconds though.
However it takes some days to get used to it and all the components are a bit "Stuck" at first. You have to use the batteries and such first a bit before they slide in easier etc. Or and the sensor seems to be quite sensitive... 1 little crumble can make it upset. So make sure you don't crumble all over the place ;)
So yes, buy it!
However Logitech is fine too but so far I find the R.A.T. better than my previous mouses.
Thanks for the info :D
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I myself had a Razer Diamondback and it was the most epic mouse I've ever had..
(http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/DisplayCategoryProductListPage/categoryID.35208800 (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/DisplayCategoryProductListPage/categoryID.35208800))
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I have the R.A.T 9 and it is easily the best mouse I have ever had, you will not be disappointed!
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I have been using Logitech mouses for over seven years and for me they are very comfortable. I would love to try out a RAT though.
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I have been using Logitech mouses for over seven years and for me they are very comfortable. I would love to try out a RAT though.
I would be happy with the G700, but the R.A.T is just something that's so strange, you just must try it out :lol:
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You have to change the battery every couple of days?!
Jesus... I change mine like once every couple of weeks, maybe even less.
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You have to change the battery every couple of days?!
Jesus... I change mine like once every couple of weeks, maybe even less.
Yea, but you get 2 batteries with it, so you can play with one, while the other is charging.
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I prefer cabled mice over wireless, as long as i dont need any extra distance, cable is fine, which is why i chose Rat7 over Rat9
they are both identicle except rat9 is wireless
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Duude, wireless mouses are a fail..
If you're going to get a nice mouse with a cable.I suggest SteelSeries mouses.I am getting a SteelSeries Xai or a Kinzu.Xai has buttons on both of the sides of the mouse.It is comfortable for both right handed and left handed people.And has a lot of refresh rates, some awesome light 'steelseries' profile on the back that you can change that glows in the dark.
Never had any logitech mouse or RAT.I use a A4TECH x7 Gaming mouse, and I am really satisfied with the result and the material that is made with.
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Duude, wireless mouses are a fail..
Explain.
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ha, if your going to get a good mouse that costs a bit, its probably best its not a direct competitor with the Microsoft mouse(like the ones webster recommended), honestly if you want a good gaming mouse, get a good gaming mouse.
Basically the reason wired mice are better than wireless mice isnt because of the wireless signal, that is fine and can be quite fast, the area that slows it down is the transmitter and receiver on both ends, getting the message from the mouse to the transmitter and then sending it, takes ALOT longer than the signal itself going to the other transmitter, which then has to receive, and send the signal to the computer and back, whereas with a cable the signals transfer both ways alot faster and do not need to interact with any unnecessary hardware in between
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ha, if your going to get a good mouse that costs a bit, its probably best its not a direct competitor with the Microsoft mouse(like the ones webster recommended), honestly if you want a good gaming mouse, get a good gaming mouse.
Basically the reason wired mice are better than wireless mice isnt because of the wireless signal, that is fine and can be quite fast, the area that slows it down is the transmitter and receiver on both ends, getting the message from the mouse to the transmitter and then sending it, takes ALOT longer than the signal itself going to the other transmitter, which then has to receive, and send the signal to the computer and back, whereas with a cable the signals transfer both ways alot faster and do not need to interact with any unnecessary hardware in between
Thisss ^^^
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I personally have found NO, I mean absolutely no one fucking bit of difference between a wired gaming mouse and my wireless 20 quid Logitech mouse I have now.
If you really want to pay an extra 50 quid just so you can spout values at people than go ahead, but gaming mice are not worth it.
Plus wired mice really piss me off as I store my mouse and keyboard on a lower layer in my desk, but move them to the top to use them, I hate pissing around with the wires.
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we arent compairing crappy mice with good mice, we are comparing wired good mice to the equivalent wireless version (RAT7 to RAT9)
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And what I'm saying is that you won't notice the difference in response time unless you hook it up to sensors and physically measure the signal times.
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Basically the reason wired mice are better than wireless mice isnt because of the wireless signal, that is fine and can be quite fast, the area that slows it down is the transmitter and receiver on both ends, getting the message from the mouse to the transmitter and then sending it, takes ALOT longer than the signal itself going to the other transmitter, which then has to receive, and send the signal to the computer and back, whereas with a cable the signals transfer both ways alot faster and do not need to interact with any unnecessary hardware in between
I notice nothing of that, using a wireless mouse. And the one I have was around 15eur.
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basically if your heavily into gaming and play alot of cod, to be able to kill somone quikly like i do, the response time of the mouse is crucial, even that 100-500 milliseconds can throw off your game
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basically if your heavily into gaming and play alot of cod, to be able to kill somone quikly like i do, the response time of the mouse is crucial, even that 100-500 milliseconds can throw off your game
That's half a second. That's SLOW. In actually FAST-paced games, you would die 2 times in 500 milliseconds - and this is not an exaggeration.
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A human on Average has a 120ms response time.
the Rat 9 has a brilliant 1ms response time, impossible to see the difference between wired and wireless.
Some wired mice have 8ms response time such as the Logitech MX518
An LCD Monitor on Average has a response time of 50ms
Depending on what else is using the USB too, all mive's response will speed up and down, and those of you still using PS/2 mive have an even slower response time than Wireless Mice.
Want to be a brilliant gamer? Then don't focus on wired or wireless mice, change your monitor...
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Want to be a brilliant gamer? [...]change your monitor...
A faster-reacting monitor won't make you aim better or your actual reflex better :roll:
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A faster-reacting monitor won't make you aim better or your actual reflex better :roll:
But people with monitors with better response times have an advantage over people with worse response times, far more of an advantage than different mice. :)
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basically if your heavily into gaming and play alot of cod
Which I'm not.
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Alright, I've ordered the R.A.T 9 and it's now on its way.
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/310/rat9.png)
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Gratz. Saitek always delivers very well
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I have the RAT9 and tbh after about a week it becomes the same as any other mouse XD. Really it just looks cool.
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I use the RAT7. Good mouse. Only thing i dont like about the 9: Wireless.
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I use the RAT7. Good mouse. Only thing i dont like about the 9: Wireless.
Yes, but why?
If it's because it makes the response time slower? Well is 1millisecond response time slow? Do you know that the R.A.T 7 has a 1ms response time?
Or is it because of the battery recharging? Well you get 2 battery cells, so that you can use one and recharge the other. It takes around 15 hours of full time non-stop gaming for a battery to run out, it only takes 5 seconds to replace them.
Just saying ;)
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Why don't you buy a simple 3$ mouse...
But i'd go with the R.A.T, it's pretty awesome.
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Why don't you buy a simple 3$ mouse...
Because they suck?
But i'd go with the R.A.T, it's pretty awesome.
I'm using it right now :D
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so in conclusion, do you like the Rat 9? would you recommend it?
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so in conclusion, do you like the Rat 9? would you recommend it?
I would definitely recommend it. It is made of extremely durable material, the software and hardware is extensively customizable. Any hand can fit on it, you can adjust the thumb and palm rest, and there are 3 pinky/ring finger rests and 3 palm rests. The buttons are all programmable, and the DPI switch, you just can't go without it.
This is definitely a mouse where you get what you pay for.
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nice to see you like it, i love my RAT 7
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nice to see you like it, i love my RAT 7
It's actually the same like the RAT 9, it just has a wire. Depends on what you prefer. :D
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I got my Steelseries Kinzu like a month ago, and its freaking awesome.The thing I don't like about some mice is that they have a LOT of buttons, and its pissing me off.
The kinzu is a simple optical mouse, with 1 CPI switch, and thats all.I can handle from 2 to 4 side buttons, but not more.
I hope you enjoy your new mouse Dutchy, that's a lot of money given for that kind of a mouse(I got the kinzu for 35 Euros) but I guess it's worth it(?)
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I hope you enjoy your new mouse Dutchy, that's a lot of money given for that kind of a mouse(I got the kinzu for 35 Euros) but I guess it's worth it(?)
Definitely!
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I'm using this one, One of the greatest mouses and very affordable.
Logitech G5
(http://www.codeschein.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/g5.jpg)
Infact in combination with my logitech g18 keyboard:
(http://en.expreview.com/img/2009/01/07/logitech_2.jpg)
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(http://en.expreview.com/img/2009/01/07/logitech_2.jpg)
As much as it looks cool and all, I hate keyboards with buttons to the left of the main block.
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Heres my setup, i basically have all my equipment red and black, excluding my motherboard(which is blue).
(http://www.pccasegear.com/UserFiles/challengerpro-l2.jpg)
TTE Sports Challenger Pro Keyboard
Yes that is a fan on the top of the keyboard, it can be attached to either side in one of the two ports on the keyboard, or stored away in the back
(http://media.ldlc.com/ld/products/00/00/76/84/LD0000768461_2.jpg)
Saitek Rat 7 Mouse
I love both my mouse and keyboard and cant be happier with the decisions i made with buying them