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GTA:VC => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => Vice City - City Hall => Topic started by: Morphine on August 20, 2011, 09:27:22 am

Title: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on August 20, 2011, 09:27:22 am
The Government of Vice City
Citizenship and Migration Board

Table of Contents
  • About the CMB (#post_about)
  • Information for Passport Tests (#post_info)
    • Study Material (#post_study)
    • Application Form (#post_app)
  • Office Location (#post_loc)
  • CMB Staff (#post_staff)
  • CMB Recruitment (closed) (#post_recruit)
    • Staff Tasks (#post_tasks)
    • Application Form (#post_staffapp)
    What is the CMB?
The Citizenship and Migration Board is a government agency that grants passports to naturalized citizens.
Players can get a passport from a CMB administrator in our offices in Downtown Vice City if they have
played for 7 days and pass a citizenship test. If players fail the test, they are free to apply for a retake.

Information for Passport Tests
Are there any requirements to take a passport test?
The only requirements to take a passport test are to have played for at least one week on Argonath
VC:MP and to know enough about the server to pass your citizenship test. The test will include
questions about server rules and information such as who the heads of Argonath are.

What can I do with a passport?
With a passport, you will be able to buy properties and businesses to begin your life in Vice City
as a citizen. You will also be able to apply for a driver's license at a driving school to buy a car.

Where can I study for the test?
Check the Study Material section below.

Do tests cost anything?
Tests are completely free, though the CMB is completely volunteer. Tips are appreciated but not
required.

Study Material
  • Server Rules
  • 2.0 Commands List
  • Also remember that our glorious heads of state are President Gandalf (Ronnel)
    and Prime Minister Aragorn (RON).

Application Form
If you are looking forward to a passport examination, apply here for your test time!
You and a CMB administrator can arrange for a test time that works for both of you.
An application is not required, and a test can be administered at any time by an available CMB
admin.

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Nickname (in-game):
How long have you played on VCMP?
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time)
Have you read the study materials?

Office Location
The CMB's offices are located in Downtown Vice City, right by VCPD Downtown and FDVC
Headquarters.
(http://i.imgur.com/pLOvq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/1MVvH.png)

CMB Staff
CMB Director
  • ULK.Morphine

CMB Management

CMB Administrator

CMB Recruitment
The CMB is no longer taking recruitment applications.

Staff Tasks
Management
Management can perform all the same tasks as Administrators, as well as recruit new
staff to join, draft questions and procedures for the CMB, and assume control over
the CMB if the Director is unable to. A management position takes great responsibility
and leadership skills, as well as experience with the server and its environment.

Administrators
CMB Administrators are every-day workers who can grant players passports, as well
as examine players in a fair and unbiased way. CMB Administrators must show patience
and fairness, as well as an understanding of the server.

Application Form
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Ingame Nick
Age
How long you have played on Argonath
How long you have played on VC:MP
Timezone
Why you would like to join the CMB staff
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Bass on August 20, 2011, 10:23:38 am
Nickname (in-game): [WS]Bass
How long have you played on VCMP? 4 years
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) anytime, when you're ingame
Have you read the study materials? yeah

Ingame Nick: [WS]Bass
Age: 16
How long you have played on Argonath: 4 years
How long you have played on VC:MP: 4 years
Timezone: GMT +2:00
Why you would like to join the CMB staff: wanna help new players to get along with the rules and give them passports
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Marcell on August 20, 2011, 01:54:16 pm
Ingame Nick: [EAF]Marcell
Age: 14
How long you have played on Argonath: 7 months
How long you have played on VC:MP: 8 months
Timezone: + 02:00 GMT
Why you would like to join the CMB staff: I'm one of the most active players and would like to help newbs by giving them license/passport as long as they deserve it by passing the test and shiz :)
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ferrari32 on August 20, 2011, 02:28:58 pm
I wantz to give passportz. I IZ NO CUBANZOR!!111
Okay nuff jokes
Ingame Nick: [DC]ferrari32
Age: 14
How long you have played on Argonath: 11 months
How long you have played on VC:MP: 11 months
Timezone: (GMT)+1
Why you would like to join the CMB staff: To help out newbies, as this system might be confusing to them.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Joaoseinha on August 20, 2011, 08:50:05 pm

Nickname (in-game):  Joao_H
How long have you played on VCMP?Total on VCMP is 11 months,but had some time in SAMP too(8 months) if that matters.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) 21 August,16:00 GMT+1
Have you read the study materials? Yes,I did.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Kessu on August 20, 2011, 09:16:58 pm
Nick: [EAF]Kessu
How long have you played VCMP: 3 and half years
Requested time: When we're both on the server, don't rly care :P
Have you read the study materials: Tbh, no  :lol:
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on August 20, 2011, 10:46:50 pm
// Edit: My own application.  :pop:
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Verz on August 21, 2011, 10:20:14 am
Nickname (in-game): [WS]Verz.
How long have you played on VCMP? About 10 months.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) Anytime, when it's possible.
Have you read the study materials? Yes.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: stormeus on August 21, 2011, 07:02:02 pm
Passport applications will be on hold until 2.0 is back up in a decent working state.
Staff applications are under consideration, and we are still accepting applications.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Marcell on August 21, 2011, 07:48:46 pm
Passport applications will be on hold until 2.0 is back up in a decent working state.
Staff applications are under consideration, and we are still accepting applications.
Understood...check your PM btw
I hope axxo can make something like /c givealllicense and /c giveallpassport
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Ryuji on August 26, 2011, 11:14:43 am
Nickname (in-game): Ryuji
How long have you played on VCMP? about two years
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) anytime
Have you read the study materials? yes
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Sockom on August 29, 2011, 03:51:19 am
Nickname (in-game) : [DC]Sockom
Have you read the study materials? :  Yes.
Ingame Nick : [DC]Sockom
Age : 15
How long you have played on Argonath : 9 months.
How long you have played on VC:MP : As long as 1 year.
Timezone : GMT +1:00
Why you would like to join the CMB staff : I want to join the CMB staff to help any players to learn rules and of course, give passports to them.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Vet. on August 31, 2011, 07:13:53 pm
Nickname (in-game): [VU]Veteran
How long have you played on VCMP? I'm not sure if the counting is right, but about 4 years.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) Any time we meet.
Have you read the study materials? Of course I have! My fav. thing to read!  ;)
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: [PV_P]Lord on September 02, 2011, 10:36:27 pm
Nickname (in-game) : [PV_P]Lord
Have you read the study materials? : No...
Age : 14
How long you have played on Argonath : 2 Days :D
How long you have played on VC:MP : 2 Months
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) : Any Time , When It's Possible...
Timezone: GMT +6:00
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: stormeus on September 19, 2011, 10:12:18 pm
With the imminent release of 2.0, CMB recruitment has now been closed. Here are the application results.
Denied
Trial Management
Trial Managers will be examined to see if they are suitable for a management position. If demoted or fired, a suitable administrator will be hired instead.
Trial Administrators
Trial Administrators will be examined to see if their are suitable CMB examiners and instructors. CMB staff who are unable to fulfill their duties will be fired, but are free to re-apply when applications open again. CMB staff, in the event managers are unable to fulfill their duties, may be promoted to management positions if needed.

All passport applications will be processed after the release of 2.0 Final.
All CMB staff will receive their privileges after the release of 2.0 Final and NOT in beta.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: XDie on September 19, 2011, 10:35:53 pm
Nickname (in-game): CaNoN
How long have you played on VCMP?: about 9 months
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): any time
Have you read the study materials?: Of course!

Post Merge: September 20, 2011, 01:22:26 am
Please see my topic in VCMP ideas
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on October 08, 2011, 09:35:13 pm
Hello everyone.

First off, I am the new head of the Citizen & Migration Board.

Second, all passport applications have been viewed.

Third, staff applications have been viewed and I'm deciding whether to add anyone to the staff.

All procedures will officially start on the release of the new Argonath RPG script.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ZeRoX2 on October 08, 2011, 10:55:07 pm
Nickname (in-game): ZeRoX
How long have you played on VCMP?: 1 Year and 1 Month.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): Any time.
Have you read the study materials?: Yes.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Pallazo on October 21, 2011, 05:15:54 am
Nickname (in-game): [VU_T]Pallazo
How long have you played on VCMP? 6 months
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time) anytime available
Have you read the study materials? yes
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ferrari32 on October 21, 2011, 12:40:01 pm
Nickname (in-game): ZeRoX
How long have you played on VCMP?: 1 Year and 1 Month.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): Any time.
Have you read the study materials?: Yes.
I'll test this one.
Try to meet me next week on monday 3 pm CET.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Ave on October 21, 2011, 03:33:31 pm
The CMB crew has to be revised before 2.0 release (which won't come any soon I guess). Staff members were chosen not because of their abilities, they were simply enough quick to post an application before others did.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ZeRoX2 on October 21, 2011, 03:56:41 pm
I'll test this one.
Try to meet me next week on monday 3 pm CET.
I am sorry, but I can't at 3 CET. 4:30 will be better, sir.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on October 21, 2011, 08:05:41 pm
The CMB crew has to be revised before 2.0 release (which won't come any soon I guess). Staff members were chosen not because of their abilities, they were simply enough quick to post an application before others did.

This is not true, otherwise everyone would be a staff member right now. I have been given my rank by the previous head of CMB, for instance.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ~Legend~ on October 22, 2011, 09:46:57 am
As things aren't fully on the move yet, some of the positions are tentative.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ferrari32 on October 22, 2011, 11:05:36 am
Well, by testing our citizens, i would like to show that i'm up to the job.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Fuzzy168 on October 24, 2011, 05:46:31 am
Nickname (in-game): Fuzzy168
How long have you played on VCMP?: April 2011=7 months
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): Any time will work for me..
Have you read the study materials?: Yes i did  :cool:
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on October 24, 2011, 04:47:01 pm
The following people have been noted and are pending for Passport examination:


The following people have been noted and are denied for Passport Examination:


All staff applications have hereby been denied and will not be reviewed until we will actually require adds to the team.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: kitt85711 on March 01, 2012, 05:56:49 am
Nick: [AsS_T]Kittrell

How long have you been at Argonath: A few months, almost a year

Requested Time ( Day/Month/Time ): Wednesday 29th / February / 9:59 PM (My Time) GMT -5

Did you read all the study materials?: I feel that I have studied a lot enough to pass and become a citizen of the United States of Argonath
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Kessu on March 01, 2012, 12:42:30 pm
CMB comes in to picture in 2.0, so it's not on server yet heheh
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Skrillex on March 21, 2012, 06:16:33 am
Nickname (in-game): [DC]Skrillex
How long have you played on VCMP? hmm, about 4 months.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): Any time that is above 4 CET.
Have you read the study materials? Yes. Well learned.

Please any time that is above 4 CET.

Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ferrari32 on March 21, 2012, 08:17:11 am
Nickname (in-game): [DC]Skrillex
How long have you played on VCMP? hmm, about 4 months.
Requested Time (Day/Month, Time): Any time that is above 4 CET.
Have you read the study materials? Yes. Well learned.

Please any time that is above 4 CET.
Version 2.0 isn't out yet, so this isn't implemented up to now.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Zorex116 on May 13, 2012, 07:38:07 am
want to take a test but imalways lost in vie city  :redface:
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on May 16, 2012, 09:21:52 pm
The tests are postponed until the release of Argonath 2.0.

Also, all current staff members have been removed. This is not a disciplinary action, but rather a matter of activity. In addition, staff is not needed at current time.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ferrari32 on May 17, 2012, 09:32:07 pm
The tests are postponed until the release of Argonath 2.0.

Also, all current staff members have been removed. This is not a disciplinary action, but rather a matter of activity. In addition, staff is not needed at current time.
:wow:
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 05, 2012, 03:01:09 pm

As Founder of the Citizenship and Migration Board as a whole, I would like leaders of this organization to contact me on MSN: [email protected].
The matter to discuss - you had no permission to use "Citizenship and Migration Board" name and logotype on this server. You've been using name of inter-server organization registered on Argonath and created by Pups and me, without our knowledge and without putting our names on the Staff List.
There are two ways of resolving this issue. Please contact me to find a solution which will satisfy both sides.


- FlameMan
CMB Founder
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on July 05, 2012, 03:29:42 pm
I'll handle it.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 05, 2012, 08:42:13 pm
Thanks. :)



Just to mention -
This was originally a (new) project initiated by the VC:MP Admin Team.

Based on the original concept that was introduced here in 2009: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=43369.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=43369.0)
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 08, 2012, 10:58:36 am
A new project from 2009 named after the project founded by Pups and me in 2008 and using the same colour scheme? No, if it copies the name and all scehems then it's not a new project.
The Citizenship and Migration Board is an interserver organization registered on Argonath. And I have the lead above the division of CMB on each and every server it is working (SA:MP, IV:MP, MTA:SA).

That is why I want to discuss with the leader of this "new" organization and find a solution. If I don't get any message from the leader (and I still haven't got any contact from him), I will have to take steps against this organization.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Kessu on July 08, 2012, 11:44:16 am
A new project from 2009 named after the project founded by Pups and me in 2008 and using the same colour scheme? No, if it copies the name and all scehems then it's not a new project.
The Citizenship and Migration Board is an interserver organization registered on Argonath. And I have the lead above the division of CMB on each and every server it is working (SA:MP, IV:MP, MTA:SA).

That is why I want to discuss with the leader of this "new" organization and find a solution. If I don't get any message from the leader (and I still haven't got any contact from him), I will have to take steps against this organization.

I'll handle it.

Take it easy and give it a little time
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 08, 2012, 11:53:52 am
I'm certainly taking it easy :)
Three days passed and since "I'll handle it" nothing has been "handled". That's why I am a bit concerned.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 08, 2012, 12:32:14 pm
A new project from 2009 named after the project founded by Pups and me in 2008 and using the same colour scheme? No, if it copies the name and all scehems then it's not a new project.
The Citizenship and Migration Board is an interserver organization registered on Argonath. And I have the lead above the division of CMB on each and every server it is working (SA:MP, IV:MP, MTA:SA).

That is why I want to discuss with the leader of this "new" organization and find a solution. If I don't get any message from the leader (and I still haven't got any contact from him), I will have to take steps against this organization.

This isn't something that is privatised or freelance, but very much linked to the government in our eyes.

As for "new", I was referring to the rejuvenated form of the "CMB" (this topic), which was based on something that was planned for VC:MP a few years ago. The topic itself and early operations were done by the local Admin Team, before being opened more for the public. It's just a few foundation stones for the new and upcoming server here.

I don't think anyone intended to plagiarise, steal/copy someone else's hard work.
If you were looking for personal credit, I am sure that can be handled in a suitable manner.

As it has government links, perhaps it may just be sorted out through there... we can always go ahead with re-naming this.

Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on July 08, 2012, 04:20:14 pm
I will have to take steps against this organization.

Go ahead, you have your right. I'm not planning to sacrifice the plans I have in life in order to avoid getting sued in a game, but since I am here, let's get to it.

First off, I'd like to point out a little fact: the first topic named "Citizen & Migrationship Board" in the VC:MP board is nearly a year older than the topic I have found in the SA:MP City Hall board, which co-incidentally was named the same way. Due to this, you have no right to accuse me/us of plagiarism or anything in those lines because we simply came up with it earlier than you did. (Correct me if you have to, I'm not guaranteeing that what I've researched is 100% correct)

Secondly, I never knew anything about that organization of yours up until right now. What is happening now is most professionally known as a misunderstanding. In reality, the idea of a citizen and migration-ship board is not patented. You're saying that you used the name earlier than we did, but the facts say otherwise. Facts > words, and my words only support those same facts.

It is true that this topic might have been inspired in the most minimal of ways by yours, but we did not copy/steal/plagiarize/you name it from you or your organization. To sum up, I can legitimately say that it is us that established the organization under the name "Citizen & Migrationship Board", that we reserve the rights to both name and organization, and that we are definitely not forced to give in to you. I am not planning to change anything as of now but if you've any suggestions then keep them coming.

Until then, adios.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: stormeus on July 08, 2012, 04:52:44 pm
The Citizenship and Migration Board is an interserver organization registered on Argonath. And I have the lead above the division of CMB on each and every server it is working (SA:MP, IV:MP, MTA:SA).

That is why I want to discuss with the leader of this "new" organization and find a solution. If I don't get any message from the leader (and I still haven't got any contact from him), I will have to take steps against this organization.

I wonder why someone who doesn't play on VC:MP would want to lead the government passport organization in VC:MP.

EDIT: And how do you copyright a color scheme?
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 08, 2012, 08:27:26 pm
Go ahead, you have your right. I'm not planning to sacrifice the plans I have in life in order to avoid getting sued in a game, but since I am here, let's get to it.

First off, I'd like to point out a little fact: the first topic named "Citizen & Migrationship Board" in the VC:MP board is nearly a year older than the topic I have found in the SA:MP City Hall board, which co-incidentally was named the same way. Due to this, you have no right to accuse me/us of plagiarism or anything in those lines because we simply came up with it earlier than you did. (Correct me if you have to, I'm not guaranteeing that what I've researched is 100% correct)

Secondly, I never knew anything about that organization of yours up until right now. What is happening now is most professionally known as a misunderstanding. In reality, the idea of a citizen and migration-ship board is not patented. You're saying that you used the name earlier than we did, but the facts say otherwise. Facts > words, and my words only support those same facts.

It is true that this topic might have been inspired in the most minimal of ways by yours, but we did not copy/steal/plagiarize/you name it from you or your organization. To sum up, I can legitimately say that it is us that established the organization under the name "Citizen & Migrationship Board", that we reserve the rights to both name and organization, and that we are definitely not forced to give in to you. I am not planning to change anything as of now but if you've any suggestions then keep them coming.

Until then, adios.

The topic in SA:MP board has been recreated. The whole name and organization called Citizenship and Migration Board has been created by Pups and me in 2008. I was playing VC:MP back then so don't even start trying to convince me that there was any passport authority working.
So, if you want to keep it this way. Either you decide to change the name and whole graphic scheme, or you shall join CMB as its division, accepting the CMB Leadership, procedures and rules then.
The choice is yours.

I am not going to sue you because it's pointless.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Morphine on July 08, 2012, 10:03:22 pm
Do whatever you want, pal.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 08, 2012, 11:13:19 pm
So, what is your decision?
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Klaus on July 09, 2012, 12:16:52 am
So, what is your decision?
No one really cares. Pups plays VCMP regularly nowadays unlike yourself, so how come he didn't give a damn beforehand?
Maybe your just overreacting?
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: stormeus on July 09, 2012, 01:26:11 am
Now FlameMan, before you go about deleting passport agency threads in a fit of copyright rage (which is basically how I see this entire situation), I'd just like to ask a few questions.


Once you can answer that, maybe I'll start taking you seriously.

EDIT: And :ps: you're probably overstepping your boundaries by trying to remove this thread without ANY kind of legal trial.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: FlameMan on July 09, 2012, 08:43:23 am

1. When someone claimed "founders" right for Citizenship and Migration Board on IV:MP server, developers of IV:MP rushed and gave a statement that the only founders of the CMB are Pups and FlameMan. This statement applies on every server in the boundries of Argonath RPG.

2. Citizenship and Migration Board has its procedures and regulations to make sure that passport candidates are aware of the server rules, government structure, vision, commands etc. and are prepared well enough to have a good start on the server. Now, if someone sees that Citizenship and Migration Board is responsible for passports in particular server, or if it's one of organizations that is responsible for passports, they can be sure that procedues, which have been created, updated and improved for years, are professional.

3. Leadership above all CMB projects on all servers belongs to the CMB Founders. It is that way with every organization, group and clan on Argonath RPG that is inter-server. In case of CMB, leading is important because of applying procedures, oversight the general work and existence of this organization on the server and its problems. Taking IV:MP CMB for instance, they are using CMB main forum (http://cmb.argonathrpg.com (http://cmb.argonathrpg.com)), same like SA:MP, and it is the only way I lead it.
I am not active in-game, CMB Director there (Rami) has a free hand in doing anything, but in major changes he is obligated to contact me and wait for approval. This is the way ARPD works now, under Jaaskaa. Chiefs in divisions (SA:MP SAPD, IV:MP LVPD, FBI on each server etc) have permission for almost everything but in major cases they have to contact ARPD Commissioner Jaaskaa.
And I am such Commissioner of the CMB. So if anyone is claiming to lead CMB and I don't know about it - he is lying.

4. It does have high significance because if someone can see a name "Citizenship and Migration Board" it automatically connects his thoughts to organization that has been existing and working since 2008 and that was founded by Pups and me. But HOWEVER, even if that was not enough, and maybe somehow a person could have doubts, he enters the topic and sees a scheme of topic, exactly like we used to use on Argonath main forum. Which has been actually copied without our knowledge.


Theferfore, taking everything into account, I would like to request - either removal of all copied content and change of name, which you were using without authorisation, or decide about implementing CMB procedures, then joining official CMB forum registered by Gandalf and me.
Title: Re: [Passports] Citizenship & Migration Board
Post by: Serpico on July 09, 2012, 11:57:05 am
I've noted Citizenship and Migration Board topic of VC:MP for long time ago and i have to say that personally i haven't really care about it. Since i haven't been with the Citizenship and Migration Board for a while now, i feel that i don't have a much entitlement to take a action here. I do feel positions of the both sides and that makes me neutral in this topic, but even still i hope that an compromise could be reached.

I'm glad that someone have decided to open/run Citizenship and Migration Board for the VC:MP division and i actually support that, but i feel that it's wrong to rush with that without having any consultation with existing organization. I don't know i wasn't there/here but according to FlameMan words, i could see so. ( Though as far as i know, Citizeship and Migration Board are not patented. )

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First off, I'd like to point out a little fact: the first topic named "Citizen & Migrationship Board" in the VC:MP board is nearly a year older than the topic I have found in the SA:MP City Hall board, which co-incidentally was named the same way.
There was actually an topic made by me first but while after i had left SA:MP, my created topic got removed and it got re-made by someone else, but it doesn't make much sense here, just additional information.

-Pups
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