Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Lionel Valdes on November 04, 2011, 08:32:54 pm
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Some nember's idelogy: Get rich or die trying.
This is one of the major problems we have in Argonath these days, I'm not sure what motivates the new players to join for the money, and necessarily being part of a family.
Here is an example from F.T.P_OutLaW:
Robert_DiMaria: hey
(19:19:33) F.T.P_OutLaW: hey
(19:19:50) Robert_DiMaria: You're a member of Argonath?
(19:19:58) F.T.P_OutLaW: ye and u?
(19:20:11) Robert_DiMaria: Yes, since 2009
(19:20:34) F.T.P_OutLaW: what family are u in?
(19:20:53) Robert_DiMaria: None
(19:20:59) F.T.P_OutLaW: why?
(19:21:02) Robert_DiMaria: I'm just a normal citizen
(19:21:16) Robert_DiMaria: Lol Argonath isn't just gang and families
(19:21:25) Robert_DiMaria: I was an SAPD Officer but I retired
(19:21:43) F.T.P_OutLaW: thats how u make the big money
(19:22:04) Robert_DiMaria: Argonath isn't money, it's having fun and friendship
(19:22:48) F.T.P_OutLaW: ye but so many gangs always want to fuck u up
You can conclude the ideology of the majority (not all) of new players by reading the conversation above. In your opinion, how can we stop this? What movitates the new player to think of this? Is it our fault? If not, who's fault is this?
Open for discussion, I want my topic arguments free please.
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I started out with a crime family also and rose in ranks and eventually dropped the illegal life for the legal one. I see nothing wrong with members joining families in order to do stuff. For example, when I joined, I wanted to make $1,000,000. I made my first $100,000 within a few weeks by the help of a few members (especially Jonny_Gvardia). I made my first million within six months. Once you hit that point, you realize that money isn't important. Everyone sets a goal, once you hit that goal, you try something else. For example, once I made $10,000,000, I gave it away and started working to become an administrator and a helpful player, 9 months later, I am an administrator! :D It's all about setting goals and what you are trying to accomplish on Argonath.
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Let's compare him with you: You said there is nothing wrong with joining families, and he said it is NECESSARY to join a family.
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The two things you take issue with are two of the biggest motivators for anyone to do anything, financial stability and a sense of belonging. Instead of trying to apportion blame it is better to accept that these two qualities are inherent to human nature and consider ways to nurture them in a positive way.
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EDIT: Aw, Kojak just wrote it.
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I know I wanted to get rich when I first joined Argonath...I haven't got there yet ;)
I'm happy how I am though...you just need to let them find their place.
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It worked for 50 Cent..
:D
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Basically bothered because players want to join a group to learn the ways of Argonath.
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I started out with a crime family also and rose in ranks and eventually dropped the illegal life for the legal one. I see nothing wrong with members joining families in order to do stuff. For example, when I joined, I wanted to make $1,000,000. I made my first $100,000 within a few weeks by the help of a few members (especially Jonny_Gvardia). I made my first million within six months. Once you hit that point, you realize that money isn't important. Everyone sets a goal, once you hit that goal, you try something else. For example, once I made $10,000,000, I gave it away and started working to become an administrator and a helpful player, 9 months later, I am an administrator! :D It's all about setting goals and what you are trying to accomplish on Argonath.
It's been almost three years and I haven't set the milestone record of having $1,000,000. Because I always spend my money by hosting events and such.
Still going for that achievement. My next goal? Conquer Las Venturas :<
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Let's compare him with you: You said there is nothing wrong with joining families, and he said it is NECESSARY to join a family.
Guy wants to make friends and earn some cash while doing it, why bother him about it?
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It is just a few people who think money can do every thing. But when they finally earn some thing, they'll realize that money isn't every thing.
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So he wants to become known,and have some coins to pay up for his stuff.What's wrong with that?
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and he said it is NECESSARY to join a family.
Where exactly did he say that?
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he is making a good move if you ask me... "the closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm." - Pippin, Lord of the Rings
its true, gangs do like to shoot people jus cause they aint in their gang... which makes no sense because most the time those people aren't in any gang/group :\
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It is not nessecary to join a Gang, Clan or Crime Family (Mafia) if your a New Player. You can still have just as much Fun roleplaying solo. The best part about not being in a Group, is the Freedom. There are no restrictions due to the fact you have no Superiors when In Character. To date, I have roleplayed as every type of Gangster, but never once joined an actual Group or Clan.
The reason alot of Players are more concerned on Money Making is because with Money comes the whole Rise to Power thing, the Cars, the Weapons, the Safehouse, the Bitches etc. Also alot of New Players lack the ability to roleplay, some not all. If we had a In Game roleplaying Guide for New Players this might help them understand the concept of an RPG Server. Example, when I first came to Argonath, a friendly Balla was more then happy to show me the ropes and how the Server worked. Players are not familiar with the Server at all upon first entering which can cause alot of confusion to as what there supposed to do.
And as for Money in General, you gotta spend it to make it!
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If you don't like players being "money hungry" - pay them to do role-play jobs/missions. That way you make people role-play, while others achieve their goal of earning financial security.
This is GTA after all - my personal advice is to take inspiration from GTA1/GTA2 missions and give similar scenarios to new players.
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I think you misunderstood what he actually meant
Robert_DiMaria: Argonath isn't money, it's having fun and friendship
F.T.P_OutLaW: ye but so many gangs always want to f**k u up
I think what he really wanted to say is that when you are having fun, some gang manage to fuck it up
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It worked for 50 Cent..
:D
Haha! +1
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If you don't like players being "money hungry" - pay them to do role-play jobs/missions. That way you make people role-play, while others achieve their goal of earning financial security.
This is GTA after all - my personal advice is to take inspiration from GTA1/GTA2 missions and give similar scenarios to new players.
I'd say take inspiration from all the GTAs, but 9r2e5i3k is right. Also understand that, the more players you give missions the harder it is to control them and the more you have to be able to think on your feet.
Beside that remember that /me is your best friend when making some extra characters who do follow your each order.
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Have you ever thought about the fact that everyone's different Einstein? Maybe someone spends a nice time earning or being in a group while others find it enjoyable to be a normal citizen or a cop? For once stop telling people how to play! There is no "right" way.
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Have you ever thought about the fact that everyone's different Einstein? Maybe someone spends a nice time earning or being in a group while others find it enjoyable to be a normal citizen or a cop? For once stop telling people how to play! There is no "right" way.
THats where your wrong see now the right way is your own way..... zjeh thats deep
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Most of the famillies, groups help you to get money faster.
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I'm a part of an awesome community within SAMP, the money I gain ingame are just a little bonus to enjoy the game even more.
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Too much 50 Cent I bet... :alert"
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Money is a means to an end (getting things for yourself), not the end goal itself. It is also supposed to serve as a means of helping other players, not a tool to control them or cause conflict.
As what the other older veterans have mentioned in this topic, a source of stability for newer players could be the older players themselves. This also goes for rich players who have nothing to spend their money on; why not hire some poorer players to do jobs for you? You may even meet some good friends in the process.
As an added bonus, if the jobs you make them do are fun and / or memorable, then there is a chance they would continue to remember you. For example, I hired some players (after screening them out from a gunfight to-the-death event) to help me transport the corpse of the First Pope from San Fierro Cathedral (RP of course, since there is no actual scripted corpse) to another location. Until today, they still remember that particular event not because it got them money, but because they had fun doing it.
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Is it true some clans / gangs limit role play / fun of individual members simply because it wouldn't fit the Gang / family / clan view?
I heard a case where someone must ask for permission to change there name, to join any group.
I think this is bad...
They should be offering a place to do a certain bit of fun, let there members go off for a bit and do something else, of course if they don't also submit to there clan/group then ask them to leave :).
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cash rules everything around me
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I am not into having money, I like the ability to buy a vehicle when it suits me.
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I do agree with Ryan in the respect that people are all different...we don't all want to do the same things, and we enjoy different aspects of the community.
For me, as Julio/Joe also said...money is there to benefit me when required. I have what I want (apart from a certain sexy mansion by Richman) assets-wise, and can sell and change whenever I want.
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Just noticed that you two always post after one another. The only time I've seen tit broken was in Gnadalfs Birthday topic by Murt.
Money in the game doesn't bother me whatsoever, if i have it that's ok if i don't that's ok too. I'm not fussed.
PS "You two" Being joedaman633 and miniman622
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Just noticed that you two always post after one another.
Clones. :poke:
Personally, I don't have problems with money, but with the players' excessive dependence on it.
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To be honest , we could use the money to organize events for fun, creating a new way of RP exactly what Jcstodds always does. He spends his money wisely by making a unique RP of SAPD, and new players frequently enjoy the events he organized. The point is , money may be useful in certain conditions, when you intend to make something more fun and angling players to approach the events. Yes, we dont really need money to RP , but sometimes it is useful to create different way of RP so that new players would find Argonath a better place to RP where you could choose between RP or not, without being forced to RP. Everyone has their own views in having fun, and we cant make them to do what you'd love to do.
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In my opinion, money isn't everything but it does makes your life simple. Also I've noticed that after certain point I just didn't know what to do with my money so gave it regulary to those Stracci members who needed it most.
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MONEY IS EVERYTHING FOO I MEAN THAT WITHOUT MONEY U CAN'T BUY SPAS 12 AND AK 47 THEN WTF U PLAY GRAND THEFT AUTO I MEAN HUNTLEY IS THE SHIT BUT IT COST 40 K AND f**k THIS WITHOUT MONEY I WONT BE ABLE TO KILL PEOPLE f**k THIS I MEAN I NEEDD THE MONEY FEEL ME BRO?
Your thinking is exactly the same as mine when I was during my peak in criminal worlds.
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Just noticed that you two always post after one another. The only time I've seen tit broken was in Gnadalfs Birthday topic by Murt.
Money in the game doesn't bother me whatsoever, if i have it that's ok if i don't that's ok too. I'm not fussed.
PS "You two" Being joedaman633 and miniman622
He's my brother.
He sees me post on something and goes 'AMG, IMMA POST TOO'
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He's my brother.
He sees me post on something and goes 'AMG, IMMA POST TOO'
Combobreaker. :cool:
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Combobreaker. :cool:
:lol:
He's not on his PC I don't think :razz:
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Sweet family you had there, you must be twins I guess.
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I remember Frank Hawk's mini missions. If only more players formed some sort of a team, and helped new players on their first steps... Since I don't have the money for those kind of missions I always try to help them trough help chat or getting them on police duty.
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Wanna find experties that could handle new player in complete control?Ask Frank,....Hawk
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This is indeed true, unfortunately. I don't understand why some players are playing for cash, but not for friends or friendships.
Having fun is the point, I don't have fun with cash, i have fun with friends. Although, i'm not saying money is not important thing overall, but you have to know how to use it.