Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: Lazlow on December 05, 2011, 01:19:04 am
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I know its a lot to read, but take your time... You will like it. ;)
Hello... Im Lazlow <<==8 Gay Intro right there.. And im an Argonath IVMP racer.. well.. thats how i think of myself, as most of my money came from racing... So i have a little Experience and Knowlage on how to win a Race FAIRLY, to get that money from your pocket... And here is my IDEA.
Refering to the suggestion below, about cops driving supercars: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=76100.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=76100.0)
how about making a new rank just for them? Would be same as FBI=Buffalo, HPD=Conquetes. [Warning: Conquetes are hard to drive in turns, they love to overdrift due to heavy back]
So conquetes could spawn in few liberty city departements, like the ones in 2nd or 3rd citys.. and there HPD could just "chillax" untill they will be called for help throu /r
Or.. they could do their job without invitation.
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So let the Cops deal with tickets, RPs, suspecting ppl and chasing.. everything.. all the good and wide range of stuff. FBIs are welcomed in gun actions, and whatever they do.. But when a serious runner is on a run.. who you gonna call?.. Ghost Bu... i mean, HPD...
But seriously, we seen many criminals with fast cars (most commonly RS and what not).. but tell me this, do they ALL need the HPD? The truth is, most "fast car runners" DONT have a "fast GPU running".. so they dont get that far away from normal cops..
Prior to above, there are still plenty of criminals with Comets and what not, that do have a proper PC.. So they only can be cought at the stright line by someone with same kind of PC... So as you can sence, not many HPDs would exist anyways.. (More respect for them???) So the city wount be flooded with HPDs, and HPD is NOT Higher level than FBI.. yet, FBI gets more training, FBI is a different rank, and has even more responsabilities.. They should even talk to their co-workers to do tactical approach such as roadblocks, cut off at front, while the normal cops push criminals from behind.. And as for HPD.. they would simply drive a fast car stright...(not really..)
So HPD is NOT a higher rank than anything really.. its only DIFFERENT and NEW.
And keep the fact that nobody could do Both.. there would be no rank to drive fbi buffalos and hpd conquetes.. So the choice is yours.. Couse one of the reasons why ppl take up fbis possitions, is to get access to better vehicles.. AND the standart cop cars.. Hell... let them use ONLY Conquetes, will be locked out even from cop cars, so that they could concentrate on their thing, CHASING, not patroling!
Another thing... If the HPD conquetes would be located in 2nd city.. that means they would have to cross the bridge back to 1st city? Currently, right throu Crash-Zone? Or do they..? stick with me..
Have YOU noticed, that when criminals leave from 1st city, 70% of cops dont go there? 2 reasons: 1. Crash, 2. More fish in the 1st city, and they know that they wount be able to cach criminals in 2nd city stright lines.. they just dont bother, as it would take too long for them.. so cops offten face failure ever a criminal steps out of the 1st city. Or if they think they can (Criminal is not in a supercar) then that 30% follows that suspect (or if there is no more criminals in 1st city).
So i proppose, make the HPD 70% to concentrate sticking their noses only in 2nd and 3rd citys.. If criminals will know that there is a different level of "Heat" in 2nd citys waiting for them.. they will want to taste some of that "Hot Pursuit" flavour.. :cool:
SOME cops would think, once the criminal is out of first city, that their job is done, criminals are in the stright line roads district city, HPD can take over?.. That would be half wrong idea.. HPD are not really cop or fbi type of thing.. Hot Pursuit Departement concentrates on pressurising the suspect, keeping in sight, extending wanted time and resultingly, flip them and even ask them to give up. (After such a good and exausting chase, which CAN take a long time, or not, criminals will be asked to give up, and they are likely to do so, just because the chase was Thrilling enough, and the jail was well deserved, and the chaser deserves the reward. I know i would gu. would be good time to take a break..)..
FBI (or LCPD) Helicopter (Lets put them in use shall we?) could easily participate in such pursuits.. and be useful for once.. They could observe the criminal, equaly help to extend the wanted time, and at the end, more men on foot to
"keep a good guy down" (Integrity 2.0). And happily export the give-up'ed criminal to LCPD/Jail.
So as you can see.. Self Generating Event of work... sometimes.. (Not sure how to make it all worth the time besides the thrill)
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maybe script the /m1 /m2 /m3 /m4 (yes, i mentioned /m4) aswell...
Just a note:
Whoever will recruit the new HPD peuple, the requirements must meet the following:
Have FPS not less than 54 (56-58 is THE spot for minimum at good resolution) and maintain that fps at high speed. (so sadly, the newcomers will desire, but cry due to their laptop capabilities...)
Have a ping of no higher than 99 (Unless the ping is bugged, can show 400 but shows no lag in gameplay)
So... A new Rank?
Note: These things DO exist in real life, all over the world.. So there must be a valid reason for them?
And here few pictures...
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This is something for the head of LCPD, as it falls as a sub-division into LCPD like LCPD does into ARPD.
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Could you give me names? Who that would be?
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Could you give me names? Who that would be?
Hawk is Chief of the police.
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Hawk already told 2 times ( One time to me ) :]
He will not make such a thing right now due to problems with beta version of MP. But, on the other way, he has something similar on his mind in future but until that time come, nothing. ( I think it was something like that ) :)
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Hawk already told 2 times ( One time to me ) :]
He will not make such a thing right now due to problems with beta version of MP. But, on the other way, he has something similar on his mind in future but until that time come, nothing. ( I think it was something like that ) :)
I think that the reason is not valid for this idea. This idea can be implemented to the server Imediatly, only need to choose who would be the head of HPD and make that very nice post in forum.
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I think that the reason is not valid for this idea. This idea can be implemented to the server Imediatly, only need to choose who would be the head of HPD and make that very nice post in forum.
Decision should be taken by LCPD Command Staff first and then (if accepted) by Developers, so bypassing LCPD Command Staff is not possible.
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Here you go..
1st. That is for ARPD LCPD Section of the forum.
2nd. There is already similar topic: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=76100.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=76100.0)
Conclusion:
Such department could be established in future. For now we don't have such plans.
That was Hawk's answer on my prepositon that's similar to yours.. so keep up to it. :)
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I think that the reason is not valid for this idea. This idea can be implemented to the server Imediatly, only need to choose who would be the head of HPD and make that very nice post in forum.
HPD/interceptors (or any other name) can't be departmant for itsefl, it must be sub-division of LCPD like noose is.
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thats what i ment, let it be a subdivision, and put someone in charge of it.
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After I talked to you today on server, I don't have a good feeling about this. First I don't like you are trying to put someone down in order to pull yourself up. If u criticize someones work it doesn't mean you are better or would do better then him. From what I've seen you don't have a clue what is going on in LCPD or FBI but still you give yourself right to tell that someone isn't doing a good job? :/
And I think you suggested this from bad reason - proposing this for being a Chief of some department and to became some kind of legal racer is not a good motive to me.
thats what i ment, let it be a subdivision, and put someone in charge of it.
You mean you? :)
Anyway about the idea general - it is possible to catch suspect in super cars but it requires a teamwork from cops. I will always encourage that instead of solo chasing between suspect in infernus and cop in coquette. Btw as I saw today you manage only to keep up with me in your infernus. I can do the same job with police cruiser. To be honest in all this days I worked as cop I had more troubles with jeeps and pickups then with super cars.
And if just looked up you would see Hawk's opinions about this. So you are not the first one who came up with this idea
Considering the return of the car hp in the close future the chases won't last as now even if the suspect/criminal has super car.
About the high speed chase division, we are still small to think about another sub but yes the idea is good and I am almost sure that it will be implemented in future.
Conclusion:
Such department could be established in future. For now we don't have such plans.
As always Chief have final words about this so my supported/not supported vote doesn't matter here. But after our talk today I certainly hope you won't be in charge of this sub-division if this ever lives up.
Regards.
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yoske, you make no sence prior to the post..
Ant just a reminder: This is just an idea, if it would be implemented in to server, changes will be made! and once everything is running smoothly, still you can make changes...
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as I already said this would modify the LCPD . . that's why you must have the Chief's authorization first. Without it you basically can't do anything.
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Actually as far as I know, you dont need a developer approval, but Chief approval because like said in previous posts, something like this cant be implemented without consulting with LCPD because what this division wants to do is to enforce laws and enforcing laws falls under LCPD and FBI jurisdiction. And like yoske actually mentioned, LCPD can manage well enough without supercars. Better focus on teamwork.
P.S LCPD has Maverick which is faster than supercars and doesnt have to fly on roads. It can't be used for ramming but it can be used to coordinate roadblocks etc.
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It's all about teamwork.
There is no need of super cars and sub-division using them.
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It's all about teamwork.
There is no need of super cars and sub-division using them.
be realistic.. i hope you manage to read the whole post..
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I dont see why to make a new rank for this, whereas make this for a rank is better imo. Just restrict it to maybe Cadet or Officer+ because it needs responsibility to use it, rather than to just use it as a patrol vehicle. Its a cool idea.
Long story short,
Police 4 door cruisers = Patrol/Pursuit Vehicles
Sport cruisers = Hot pursuit
Or maybe another idea is that if it shouldn't be restricted to a rank, have it restricted in a way that, if there are no suspects on, then its un-accessible. Or if there are no suspects on with a RHL with 10 minutes or more, then its also un-accessible
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My view about such sub-division is totally different. There cannot be a new rank or such. I don't really like the idea about putting aside such sub, making it something different. The high speed sub-division (or HPD as you name it) will be established in LCPD which means that every one who wants to be part of it should apply first and after his approval choose whether to work in it or any other division (excluding NOOSE as it is invite-only). That way every LCPD member can choose the sphere he wants to develop/work. Such division will focus on special training of car tactics and maneuvers accompanied with teamwork (which is essential) instead of shiny super cars.
Regards
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thats what im talking about! I have no understanding what sub-division means and all that politics.. and im not really intrested where you will use this idea, as long as it is in use, and players are restricted to it by their FPS capabilities.. once a player meets the minimum requirements, then the trainings can begin.. (im trying not to re-write whats in the original post)
I heard rumors that something SIMILAR to this been poseted few times, and i heard that you HAWK are in no rush to implement such thing. I question you, why? Why delay such great idea?
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LCPD trains teamwork. We are training people who are applying to the LCPD for officer status, the teamwork. Teamwork is one of the priority's we are training about. If everybody rushes one by one on the suspect, then we have no chance. If the teamwork gets developed, we wont need any super cars to take the suspects.
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LCPD trains teamwork. We are training people who are applying to the LCPD for officer status, the teamwork. Teamwork is one of the priority's we are training about. If everybody rushes one by one on the suspect, then we have no chance. If the teamwork gets developed, we wont need any super cars to take the suspects.
Tell me about it.. just TODAY.. i was cop.. killed 2 suspects.. and 1 suspect killed me.. i spawned in hospital. there were 5 cops besides me and 1 criminal. I niceley asked on radio for someone to pick me up from hospital.. twice.. then the criminals was killed.. then i waited, and asked 3 more times for a single coper to pick me up. And there were no criminals on! What a nice team that is.
Back to you ranks. Yoske, the Chief of LCPD was on aswell, who also, ignored my request. It really felt like LCPD is just a NOOB police group to play coppers and robbers. Its just how much i got dissapointed. On other hand, i should have posted this somewhere else as a complaint. I guess ill have to write this complaint to hAWK.
Okey, back to this topic. I doubt that your PERFECT PLAN to train every copper to Chiefs will work out.. i really really doubt that teamwork will be achieved by every day players in lcpd. Its a very VERY long shot, to train all... HPD would require more specific requirements and this very demanding teamwork wount be top priority. As just following a suspect at high speed, eventualy (30-60 min? chase) will eventualy lead the criminal to make a silly mistake. and HPD wount lose a suspect from a sight at all.. or if so, just a little.
Basicly, a supercar-runner, wount be able to finish his /rhl when HPD is on his tail. ;)
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Trust me this will NOT become cops and robbers I will not tolerate cops riding with fast cars and fully equiped killing everyone in sight.
And hell, stop blaming IV-MP devs if the project is outdated since you can develop it yourself.
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Tell me about it.. just TODAY.. i was cop.. killed 2 suspects.. and 1 suspect killed me.. i spawned in hospital. there were 5 cops besides me and 1 criminal. I niceley asked on radio for someone to pick me up from hospital.. twice.. then the criminals was killed.. then i waited, and asked 3 more times for a single coper to pick me up. And there were no criminals on! What a nice team that is.
Back to you ranks. Yoske, the Chief of LCPD was on aswell, who also, ignored my request. It really felt like LCPD is just a NOOB police group to play coppers and robbers. Its just how much i got dissapointed. On other hand, i should have posted this somewhere else as a complaint. I guess ill have to write this complaint to hAWK.
You asked two times during the pursuit, when we killed/or whatever happened to suspect I was passing by gun shop, on my way to hospital when you wrote (that was your 3rd message not 5th) something like: "will some f***ing cop come to pick me up", so I just turned to PD Dukes. Guess the other cops from same reason didn't wanted to pick you up. Once again you showed your bad attitude. And I am not Chief of LCPD, I understand you feel angry and a bit powerless but no need to provoke. :)
If you are more active in-game you could see that teamwork and good understanding has been built between officers and freecops. Patrolling together and helping each other all the time. And don't blame LCPD cause some free cops don't RP and only chase the money or to kill someone.
LCPD trains teamwork. We are training people who are applying to the LCPD for officer status, the teamwork. Teamwork is one of the priority's we are training about. If everybody rushes one by one on the suspect, then we have no chance. If the teamwork gets developed, we wont need any super cars to take the suspects.
I agree from first to last word.
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Even with a team work, super-car runner can EASILY outrun you in stright lines.. taking highway roads from 2nd, to 3rd city.. he will be gone in no time.. and /rhl ticker WILL be going down.. You can have your trained team things in 1st city (where 90% of criminals are) or in other citys if runner is in an average car. But dont try saying that your teams will cach up with supercars, stright line runs on highways..
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Why do you so persist on that thing with super cars running on the long lines. For the Gods sake, police has a Police Maverick who can track any car with ease.. at least until police cruisers arrive. If that's not enough, if police and FBI can't handle situation on their own after some time, then the NOOSE will come with Patriots and Annihilator and break the sh*t out of him xD Also, as I mentioned before, you forgot about FBI and theirs Buffalo's. They are quite a match for some faster cars. Also, you didn't even read LCPD procedures, and don't know that police officer can take a state car ( Let's say supercar ) if the regular police cruiser can't keep up with suspects car.
All of that combine.. works like charm hehe
Respect what Hawk said. It's his word against yours, and he's chief of the Police soo.. you don't really have a lot of options. :)
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Why do you so persist on that thing with super cars running on the long lines. For the Gods sake, police has a Police Maverick who can track any car with ease.. at least until police cruisers arrive. If that's not enough, if police and FBI can't handle situation on their own after some time, then the NOOSE will come with Patriots and Annihilator and break the sh*t out of him xD Also, as I mentioned before, you forgot about FBI and theirs Buffalo's. They are quite a match for some faster cars. Also, you didn't even read LCPD procedures, and don't know that police officer can take a state car ( Let's say supercar ) if the regular police cruiser can't keep up with suspects car.
All of that combine.. works like charm hehe
Respect what Hawk said. It's his word against yours, and he's chief of the Police soo.. you don't really have a lot of options. :)
When was the last time you saw a Noose on the server? It makes me angry when people talk theory, not facts..
And as for free-cop taking super cars to chase super cars.. doesn't sound right, does it? That's why i post this topic.
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When was the last time you saw a Noose on the server? It makes me angry when people talk theory, not facts..
And as for free-cop taking super cars to chase super cars.. doesn't sound right, does it? That's why i post this topic.
Maybe you should get your facts right. hAWK, GunZ and KerbeRiko are all NOOSE and are all active in game. If they are not on NOOSE duty then they are probably not needed to go on duty. And dont day catching criminals with supercars while driving police cruiser urself, is impossible. It is not. The suspect may go out of range for a while, but the straight road do not last forever. I have caught such criminals with police cruisers. And police has got its own Maverick, they dont need NOOSE. The current system wont let rhl to decrease when cops are near. So its enough when LCPD maverick is tailing a suspect until cruisers get there or something else is organized (calling NOOSE, cooperating teamwork ).
Another thing u said that this HPD would need trained cops ? Well what are LCPD officers then (not freecops) ?
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Maybe you should get your facts right. hAWK, GunZ and KerbeRiko are all NOOSE and are all active in game. If they are not on NOOSE duty then they are probably not needed to go on duty. And dont day catching criminals with supercars while driving police cruiser urself, is impossible. It is not. The suspect may go out of range for a while, but the straight road do not last forever. I have caught such criminals with police cruisers. And police has got its own Maverick, they dont need NOOSE. The current system wont let rhl to decrease when cops are near. So its enough when LCPD maverick is tailing a suspect until cruisers get there or something else is organized (calling NOOSE, cooperating teamwork ).
Another thing u said that this HPD would need trained cops ? Well what are LCPD officers then (not freecops) ?
I do not recall saying that we will need trained cops. I said that different type of high speed training will be required. Not a strong team effort training as in LCPD, but HPD members will need to be aware of team tactical approaches as-well as standard HPD training.
As for helicopter tailing the criminal. I believe its not as effective as car-on-car action. As supercar runners can start using them turns between sky-scrapers and accelerating fast out of turns. And there are overhead rails, which are effective to use them as a hide-out (used myself) for few minutes, until the cops cach up.. Best of all.. runner can simply stop, and helicopter will fly by..
Okey, i would not say its impossible to cach a super-car runner (due to many factors listed in my essay above) but a runner has a much greater chance to reduce /rhl than escaping from equal level vehicle.
If we would look at statistics for the moment.. how many hot runners manage to escape simply by going to 2nd-3rd citys.. I believe, that if a runner gets away from 1st city with his high performance PC and car, hes a gonner... so LCPD gives up on him, and concentrate on other criminals that are in 1st city. And i think thats fine.. HPD protecting high speed citys such as 2nd and 3rd, while LCPD can concentrate mainly on 1st city 90 percent of criminals/action is. (Im repeating myself...)
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Then cops should improve their driving skills since that's the most important thing on a chase. Most of times I see cops smashing their cars like Police Academy and laughing at that . . :neutral:
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Tell me about it.. just TODAY.. i was cop.. killed 2 suspects.. and 1 suspect killed me.. i spawned in hospital. there were 5 cops besides me and 1 criminal. I niceley asked on radio for someone to pick me up from hospital.. twice.. then the criminals was killed.. then i waited, and asked 3 more times for a single coper to pick me up. And there were no criminals on! What a nice team that is.
Back to you ranks. Yoske, the Chief of LCPD was on aswell, who also, ignored my request. It really felt like LCPD is just a NOOB police group to play coppers and robbers. Its just how much i got dissapointed. On other hand, i should have posted this somewhere else as a complaint. I guess ill have to write this complaint to hAWK.
Yes we have a "Report" section on the ARPD forum. Please use it.
Also, I bet the most of them were new players, just went on cop duty right ?
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When was the last time you saw a Noose on the server? It makes me angry when people talk theory, not facts..
Always, first begin from yourself.. and always, first learn about the thing you want to discuss and than start the "poll".
The facts?! Hmm, Kerb, 20, Gunz, Ghost and Hawk are pretty active.. and you, what about you? I saw you yesterday I think, and that was after long break, isn't it? And, if I understand well, you don't really know who is in noose units, you're just assuming that they are not active because you don't see Annihilator flying around? For the HPD traning, as you don't know, every cop ( Officer, not free cop ) needs to know police procedures and laws ( At least to basics one ). Without that, it can't be an officer. Same thing would be for HPD..
Then cops should improve their driving skills since that's the most important thing on a chase. Most of times I see cops smashing their cars like Police Academy and laughing at that . . :neutral:
True.. and, beside that.. if I noticed well, a lot of "runners", players with supercars, don't really know how to control their car. They buy it just because they can speed around in it and show off to other players. But when it comes to driving it... hmm, yes, they can get away from us at the first highway.. but, as Martin said, when they come to the end of it, and do some cornering, we can catch up to them pretty soon. And then it's easy.. let the numbers do the talking ( 1 suspect, 4,5 police cruisers ) :)
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Always, first begin from yourself.. and always, first learn about the thing you want to discuss and than start the "poll".
The facts?! Hmm, Kerb, 20, Gunz, Ghost and Hawk are pretty active.. and you, what about you? I saw you yesterday I think, and that was after long break, isn't it? And, if I understand well, you don't really know who is in noose units, you're just assuming that they are not active because you don't see Annihilator flying around? For the HPD traning, as you don't know, every cop ( Officer, not free cop ) needs to know police procedures and laws ( At least to basics one ). Without that, it can't be an officer. Same thing would be for HPD..
True.. and, beside that.. if I noticed well, a lot of "runners", players with supercars, don't really know how to control their car. They buy it just because they can speed around in it and show off to other players. But when it comes to driving it... hmm, yes, they can get away from us at the first highway.. but, as Martin said, when they come to the end of it, and do some cornering, we can catch up to them pretty soon. And then it's easy.. let the numbers do the talking ( 1 suspect, 4,5 police cruisers ) :)
Kerb, 20, Gunz, Ghost and Hawk are pretty active..
I was not around for a week, but I would never ever EVER call them active. Not these days that is.
1 Factor is ignored in these discussions, is what time we talking about? when we have 1 runner on server? or 3+? if 1? then sure, when you dead bored, you 5 will go against 1 runner to chase him to 3rd city, back to 1st, back to 3rd.. i doubt this RHL will increase.. end of road? never.. use next parallel road..
but what if you have 3 criminals at once, and 1 is in 3rd city? Please tell me.. will LCPD chase him? or ignore him and leave him last?
I beleive my case is done here.
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The fact is you don't need NOOSE (SWAT) to catch a suspect for "evading" . . which is the most common reason.
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It is good to be ambitious on words but once you face with the reality things go upside down. That's all I can say.
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It is good to be ambitious on words but once you face with the reality things go upside down. That's all I can say.
Thats what Im talking about... Thats why i see a need for HPD. I dont know LCPD theorys behind the game. All i see is reality, whats going on in the game. Im not a politician, im a player.
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Thats what Im talking about... Thats why i see a need for HPD. I dont know LCPD theorys behind the game. All i see is reality, whats going on in the game. Im not a politician, im a player.
Shouldnt you leave the idea's for LCPD, NOOSE, or FBI then? Since your not a politican, but a player?
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Shouldnt you leave the idea's for LCPD, NOOSE, or FBI then? Since your not a politican, but a player?
I know what is missing in server. Thats why i made this post. While you politicians stay on forums, talking theorys..
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I know what is missing in server. Thats why i made this post. While you politicians stay on forums, talking theorys..
As I see you are never ingame when we are ingame. So sad. :redface:
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We had enough.
Can anybody lock this topic?
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As I see you are never ingame when we are ingame. So sad. :redface:
I can say exactly the same. ;)
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What will LC-HPD do against 4 Phantoms coming straight for them in high speed? I know the answer do you?
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What will LC-HPD do against 4 Phantoms coming straight for them in high speed? I know the answer do you?
Run away and hide? XD
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Denied