Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: rJCaiG on January 10, 2012, 02:28:03 pm
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Myself and every police officer on the server are sick and tired of dealing with every single suspect asking for an investigation, no matter what the situation is.
I'm here to clear it up and make sure you're all well aware of when you can ask for investigation and when you cannot:
You may NOT ask for an investigation if you EVADE after being SUSPECTED. Even if it's for a silly crime, evasion is an admission of guilt. You do not get investigated.
You may NOT ask for an investigation if you OPEN FIRE ON AN OFFICER. If this happens, I encourage the officer to resus for 'assault' so the suspect cannot cry about it
You may NOT ask for an investigation if the officer SEES YOU committing the crime. You shoot at someone for no reason. Cop sees it. He suspects you. You can't ask for an investigation about that, that's bullshit.
You MAY ask for an investigation if you feel that your crime is legitimately WRONG. For example, someone suspects you for shooting, when it was the guy beside you.
You MAY ask for an investigation if you have been abused. For example, you get suspected for "you suck" or "noob" or "looked at me funny". These are bullshit reasons. In fact, you should probably ask an admin for unsus in these situations.
In the follow situation this guy was wrong for asking for investigation...
[00:15:20] Kurt_Armstrong(71) was suspected by officer GiacJr(41) for reckless driving
[00:15:33] <Kurt_Armstrong> (71) OMG COPS LEARN /S1,/S2
[00:15:36] GiacJr(41) shouts megaphone): exit the vehicle now
[00:15:36] Criminal Kurt_Armstrong(71) wants to surrender. Hold your fire and wait for them to be on foot
[00:15:39] Criminal Kurt_Armstrong(71) surrendered. DO NOT KILL THEM, cuff then jail them
[00:15:54] GiacJr(41) cuffs the man
[00:15:55] Player cuffed
[00:16:09] GiacJr(41) puts him in the back
[00:16:13] Kurt_Armstrong(71) says: I want investigation btw.
[00:16:26] Kurt_Armstrong(71) says: I didnt Evaded So I want investigation.
If I see you driving over sidewalks, speeding, on the wrong side of the road and suspect you for reckless driving, do NOT expect an investigation...
I will be adding real scenarios to this topic as they happen, just so you will be more aware of the various situations where you may and may not request an investigation. I know it seems like fun to waste an officer's time, but honestly, it's more frustrating than you could imagine.
Thanks,
SAPD Officer
GiacJr
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And this is one of the reasons why I own a stuntplane.
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DM,Carkill is valid crimes,please read this topic http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0) ,aproved and stickied by CMD Staff .
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DM,Carkill is valid crimes,please read this topic http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0) ,aproved and stickied by CMD Staff .
I will edit the example, thank you for posting.
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Someone should sticky this and add it to /help, seeing people moan about it is a :mad: :mad: :mad: :flame:
If I see you driving over sidewalks, speeding, on the wrong side of the road and suspect you for reckless driving, do NOT expect an investigation...
2F4U :cool:
old school postan
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Well if a cop is going to abuse you why do you think he say he saw it??
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This ain't gonna stop me asking, maybe you cops should just stop complaining :cool:
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This gives the criminal no chance of ever winning over an officer as every time he asks for an investigation; he is obviously wrong.
Cop sees Billy drive on the sidewalk whilst it was not in Billy's opinion, Billy asks for an investigation because he believes the cop saw wrong.
Billy is denied an investigation because the cop saw right and Billy has no right to ask for an investigation so he rather give up or die.
Billy gives up and once again; asks for an investigation. Billy is once again denied and do now face some time behind bars.
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This ain't gonna stop me asking, maybe you cops should just stop complaining :cool:
And I'll just keep denying it :)
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The issue of investigating has always confused me...the investigator is there with a un-biased point of view, to find out the truth, right?
This stops the "abusive freecop" or whoever it is just jailing suspects.
Now, theres the rule saying:
"If you saw it happen, then the suspect doesn't get an investigation".
This brings up my question...isn't that what nearly always happens? It makes no sense.
An ARPD Officer probably saw the person in question in order to /su them, so in that case should they NOT receive an investigation?
Sharpen up SAPD :lol:
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oh ffs.
It's like Ted said, you follow me everywhere you douche.
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Nobody could make the cops to give you an investigation. (( doesn't count if you are crying over '' /report'' ))
All depends on them, if they see that you're a murderer, they will simply jail you. You can not do anything, they are the law. But on the other hand, the suspects for reckless driving, smoking weed in public places etc should not be killed immediately with Combat shotgun...
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And I'll just keep denying it :)
Lucky Deagle ammo is cheap :evil:
Nobody could make the cops to give you an investigation. (( doesn't count if you are crying over '' /report'' ))
All depends on them, if they see that you're a murderer, they will simply jail you. You can not do anything, they are the law. But on the other hand, the suspects for reckless driving, smoking weed in public places etc should not be killed immediately with Combat shotgun...
if they jail you without investigation EVEN for MURDER it should be reported to higher ranks, because they obviously aint doing what they are supposed to.
theres a tonne of ways "murder" could be accidental/not your fault/related.
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If the cop doesn't see me commiting the crime,and I stop immediatley than I can ask for investigation,even if it is a murder. (Kill bug still exists)
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I'll give investigation no matter what the crime.
But depending on the crime and the circumstances, you may walk away free, or you may find the definition of "investigation" has been changed to "light torture then being thrown off a building" or similar. In the countryside we still do believe in the death penalty but it is rarely given.
As a sheriff, it is the safety of the civilians that take priority. If you have killed someone in self defence, then immediately reported yourself to police and are very apologetic and sad that you killed a guy... of course I will let you go.
If you kill someone, run away a bit then give up - and I asked you why you killed them, and it is said that "oh he crash my car so I killed him"... you will get bad punishment. If you run away because you are frightened or scared - might be a little more lenient.
I will investigate all the time because I want to learn the
Motive of the criminal - WHY he did a crime
And from his answer and the evidence, eye witness reports (which I do check - if there is a witness I will check them) I can judge more accurately what punishment the criminal deserves.
You see someone commit a crime - it is not always as straightforward as you may think. Also in an investigation you might be able to cut a deal with the suspect which brings in much larger criminals. E.g. There is a 207 on, you have detained a family member of the kidnappers. I would hold him ransom against their hostage, which would not be possible if "no sir you cannot have investigation, we know you are kidnapper we saw it" attitude.
On a side note I don't actually jail any criminals as a punishment unless they request it (as in, quick jail). I support interesting, alternative and fun RP punishments for crime. Jailing is boring for everyone.
If the cop doesn't see me commiting the crime,and I stop immediatley than I can ask for investigation,even if it is a murder. (Kill bug still exists)
If you are claiming it is a killbug when it is not - that is not within RP. You will be admin punished. Should never be cancelled unless victim confirms the bug.
Post Merge: January 11, 2012, 11:21:21 am
I know it seems like fun to waste an officer's time, but honestly, it's more frustrating than you could imagine.
Giac investigations are only as frustrating and boring if you do the same thing all the time. You understand roleplay, it needs to be imaginative. If you do not enjoy this aspect, call another officer to investigate.
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+1 Jcs. Well i consider killbug also as a new RP starter,I consider it as before i shot him,somebodyh else did,or he fall down the stairs.. Depends on the situation,and theres also you mentioned the self defence..
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To Que
Que. People actually missuse sentence " I saw therefore no investigation " even in such circumstances most cases have to be dealth investigation way and any refusal by an officer can be reported to administration team wich will forcefully gona make officer investigate.
Also you apointed that Officer always gona consider you guilty as he was suspector.The thing is that suspection officer never investigates suspect wich he suspected for excatly that reason ,therefore there have to be the second officer wich gona investigate as third party to give fair chance to officer and suspected citizen. Neither Officer neither citizen have equal chances prove when ever crime was valid or not by they storys and evidences provided.
Murder investigation
Many of you still do not relise that for murder even as self defence "WE DO NOT UNSUSPECT" . Laws provide that Officers do not unsuspect for murder doesn't matter how it happened. Was it purpose murder,was it self defence as far it's homicide you will be jailed.If it's to be proven as self defence your jail time will be lowered but you will not get unsuspection.
Killbug investigation
Killbug investigations are different than murder ones due the fact that it happened cause of bug not humans fault therefore you have a chance get unsuspected . Killbug can be investigated neither by cops neither by admin but cops do not unsuspect for killbug you have to ask afther proven to be not guilty an admin to receive your unsuspection .
:ps:Any other questions tolerated investigation might be posted here . I'll be glad to answer.
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With self defence, this is a common misconception. I believe that if you killed the person with a handgun, or with melee weapons, you are allowed to get an unsuspection if proven to be self-defence...its on the ARPD forum somewhere.
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If someone killed someone and made a lot of effort in RP to prove otherwise I would cancelsuspect them. Since I do not actually care what /crime id says - that is why I investigate. First thing I usually say to a captured suspect .... "all right... what did yer do?" .
If you did get auto su for murder and came to me, some examples where I may give them cancel:
- Bombarded with lots of lawyers confusing me.
- Suspect seems genuinely sorry and apologetic for actions.
- Suspect has several men pointing guns at me (mortally threatened) and I have no easy way out.
- Suspects have some kind of information to barter with, or through blackmail (e.g. if they had a hostage to exchange for the suspect
Those examples are where criminal will get cancelled by me and get away usually without any punishment.
Really there are lots of scenarios i'm sure you can think of more.
Otherwise I will still /cancelsuspect for murder if I am not jailing - if I do a RP punishment such as throwing people off bridges, deporting them to mexico, banishing them to the countryside etc that will be their punishment and /su is no longer necassary.
The official point is - You cannot get unsu for murder even if it was accident. However SAPD does support roleplay so you CAN take my example and /cancelsuspect is VALID for any role-play punishment given regardless of the crime. Just make sure the punishment is on the same level of crime or you might be investigated for corruption.
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well I always give investigation when I got free time,if a suspect is wanted for murder and I saw him shooting in my eyes and I have no time to investigation I usually call another officer/jail him.
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As a cop and investigator, I always gave investigations, excepting cases of homicide on MY eyes, strong speed exceed in urban limits and carkills on purpose.
In all other cases, a unbias investigation was given.
Also, if an oficer pretends that Billy was shooting like a crazy guy and denies investigation - it is abuse from cops. Because:
1. Billy maybe doesn't even has guns
2. Billy was attacked, called 911, and as no cops were near him, started shooting the attacker
3. Billy was using gun on private property and without any harm to state or city property and/or other citizens
For the last point. Private property is private property. Having guns is legal. So why can't I practice shooting back my house if it won't damage anyone/anythig else?
This was my point of view as from a simple citizen and ex-cop, not as Civil Courts Judge Assistant.
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Did you even try to pull the guy over?
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Oh look, its THIS thread again...
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With self defence, this is a common misconception. I believe that if you killed the person with a handgun, or with melee weapons, you are allowed to get an unsuspection if proven to be self-defence...its on the ARPD forum somewhere.
No rule been updated when Hank was chief. Homicide doesn't matter wich way is non unsuspection able,as far homicide is done you are guilty and charged for murder read forum's once again,healthy refresh mind afther 2-3 years .
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:08:03 am
Suspection of violator whitout using /s1
I've seen lot of you also missunderstood the meaning of usage /s1 . In multiple cases I witness when citizen complain he has not been asked to pull over even tho in multiple cases citizens are driving way too fast vehicles. Example : I am an Officer at LS-LV Highway stand by for violators , I see passing citizen in black infernus on wrong line swearing dangerously around the lines therefore I have to perform a traffic stop. Due fact that in Argonath PD cruiser speed limit is 176km/h we can't catch up moving 210 km/h in wich situation I suspect violator for recklessing . What happens next either suspect remains evading and I request backup on violator or he stops and starts moan over all chat he got abused as he didn't saw /s1 . But if suspect remains stationary afther he received suspection ,I arive to him and perform regular traffic stop . Investigate situation closely,what was intentions of violator and does he understands his mistake,afther questioning is done and if I see no reason detain him,I can request unsuspection and relise him with an ticket (yes I know you can't unsuspect for ticket payed but there is thousand other reasons what for you can ) . So if you get example suspected due fact officer canno't catch up do not go all rage and caps over all chat that you got abused or did not see /s1 as Officer is just trying to neutralize you from street's or make you stationary for further investigation .
Obviously there is officers who abuse such system ,therefore if you are not satisfied by officer actions you can always ask an investigation from third party member an second officer.
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Just because an officer says you did so, does not mean the suspect cannot request an investigation. You're basically saying that as long as the /crime reads as a valid crime, that it is valid, which is not true.
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This gives the criminal no chance of ever winning over an officer as every time he asks for an investigation; he is obviously wrong.
Cop sees Billy drive on the sidewalk whilst it was not in Billy's opinion, Billy asks for an investigation because he believes the cop saw wrong.
Billy is denied an investigation because the cop saw right and Billy has no right to ask for an investigation so he rather give up or die.
Billy gives up and once again; asks for an investigation. Billy is once again denied and do now face some time behind bars.
I'm with Que on this
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As a cop and investigator, I always gave investigations, excepting cases of homicide on MY eyes, strong speed exceed in urban limits and carkills on purpose.
In all other cases, a unbias investigation was given.
Also, if an oficer pretends that Billy was shooting like a crazy guy and denies investigation - it is abuse from cops. Because:
1. Billy maybe doesn't even has guns
2. Billy was attacked, called 911, and as no cops were near him, started shooting the attacker
3. Billy was using gun on private property and without any harm to state or city property and/or other citizens
For the last point. Private property is private property. Having guns is legal. So why can't I practice shooting back my house if it won't damage anyone/anythig else?
This was my point of view as from a simple citizen and ex-cop, not as Civil Courts Judge Assistant.
Acussation case and both side evidence
Good examples here and I gona explain what to do in such situations.
1. Billy should ask investigation and investigation has to be given not by suspection officer but another officer not apart of case .
Suspection officer have to be aware of gun the Billy had as he claim he witnessed the usage of gun .
Always can be asked admin support to prove Billys innocence by checking Billys invent,lots of time do it my self as an Officer with multiple admin support as they can do it for such reason .
2.If Billy comits a homicide it still can be investigated however Billy will anyway face jail sentence . If he been proven to self defence jail sentence will be lowered but charges won't be abandoned.
If Billy got suspected for shooting while he was defending him self,he surrenders ,complys,requests investigation and receives one. In investigation will be asked wich weapon was used,what was the threat and couple more details,afther proven self defending whitout homicide he gets unsuspected or if lies been seen or oposide side evidences providet considering Billy guilty he will face jail sentence.
3. This one is tricky. You have rights defend your property not including bussines as it's apart of goverment market. Yet there is no clear constitution saying you are allowed use fire arm in your property for no apearent reason . You are allowed defend your property by asking violator leave,call 911 or deal your self by force whitout comiting an murder . You do not expose gun in your property for no apearent reason,you do not shoot ufos from your lawn as there is no constitution giving you legal reason to do that.If there is I wish see one .
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:22:20 am
I'm with Que on this
Read above response of mine about Ques post.
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:22:48 am
Just because an officer says you did so, does not mean the suspect cannot request an investigation. You're basically saying that as long as the /crime reads as a valid crime, that it is valid, which is not true.
Read my response to Que.
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If someone killed someone and made a lot of effort in RP to prove otherwise I would cancelsuspect them. Since I do not actually care what /crime id says - that is why I investigate. First thing I usually say to a captured suspect .... "all right... what did yer do?" .
If you did get auto su for murder and came to me, some examples where I may give them cancel:
- Bombarded with lots of lawyers confusing me.
- Suspect seems genuinely sorry and apologetic for actions.
- Suspect has several men pointing guns at me (mortally threatened) and I have no easy way out.
- Suspects have some kind of information to barter with, or through blackmail (e.g. if they had a hostage to exchange for the suspect
Those examples are where criminal will get cancelled by me and get away usually without any punishment.
Really there are lots of scenarios i'm sure you can think of more.
Otherwise I will still /cancelsuspect for murder if I am not jailing - if I do a RP punishment such as throwing people off bridges, deporting them to mexico, banishing them to the countryside etc that will be their punishment and /su is no longer necassary.
The official point is - You cannot get unsu for murder even if it was accident. However SAPD does support roleplay so you CAN take my example and /cancelsuspect is VALID for any role-play punishment given regardless of the crime. Just make sure the punishment is on the same level of crime or you might be investigated for corruption.
Jcstodds you will find that the suspects who stay in LS tend to be a lot more moany and whiney about everything. I've chased guys for 20 mins around LS, finally got backup, got him stopped, he got out of his car, did /gu and immediately asked for investigation..
You all need to understand this topic is for EXTREME cases, and the exmaples should reflect this. I exaggerated them all for a reason. Cases where a guy comes doing RP - of course you investigate and deserve an investigation. Neither myself nor any other police officer will have a problem with this!
It is the guys who continuously ask for investigation on every single situation that needs to stop. People also need to realise that jail is not the worst thing that can happen to you - it's between 30 and 180 seconds of your life gone. Go to the toilet, get a drink, get some biscuits, stop being so scared of the jail...
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As Giac stated only in "extreme relic situations" Investigation is getting denied and only for valid reasons . Other than that in most cases investigation should be issued and are given.
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Ordinance XII: In the case of arrest or detention, a citizen must be promptly informed of the reasons, must also be informed that he has the right to a lawyer and must be allowed to use that right as soon as possible. He shall also have the validity of the detention controlled by the present law and to be released if the detention is not lawful.
If you don't have your rights read to you, breach of constitution.
If you have your rights read to you, you may request a lawyer, furthermore an investigation.
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If you don't have your rights read to you, breach of constitution.
If you have your rights read to you, you may request a lawyer, furthermore an investigation.
The rights should only be read if the person is being questioned; investigated.
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REMINDER: The goal is to try and ARREST not KILL! (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=18282.0)
If you only tried to pull him over, and let him pay a ticket. Then if he refuses, you can /su him and no investigation/nonany moaning will have taken place. Coz you had the right reason to suspect him.
In my opinion, the player in the situation is right and you're wrong. He asked for investigation because you didnt give him a chance and you suspected him with no warnings.
You encourage players to roleplay when given a chance, like a simple pull over, or a routine check. Instead of /su and lets chase him down.
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If you only tried to pull him over, and let him pay a ticket. Then if he refuses, you can /su him and no investigation/nonany moaning will have taken place. Coz you had the right reason to suspect him.
In my opinion, the player in the situation is right and you're wrong. He asked for investigation because you didnt give him a chance and you suspected him with no warnings.
You encourage players to roleplay when given a chance, like a simple pull over, or a routine check. Instead of /su and lets chase him down.
If you get suspected your rights to be investigated doesn't vanish,neither rights to roleplay . All what blows it up is an evade aftherwards,other than that there is no difference.
You guys really missue meaning of "suspect" or had bad past with your self begin violator,in most clear situations aftherwards you surrender you receive your roleplay or as far officer considers you won't bring a threat you still receive your roleplay. If Officer decides you let go for any reason such as Jcs " Taken by UFO for experimental science" then you're still clean and you receive your RP.
In my view point all you had or think that if you get suspected whitout an warning it's end of the world .Instead of pull over, if are asked to surrender,surrender and proceed with roleplay cause aftherwards charges still might be taken away ,it's not like you will face jail sentence anyway.
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If you get suspected your rights to be investigated doesn't vanish,neither rights to roleplay . All what blows it up is an evade aftherwards,other than that there is no difference.
you realise that is exactly when the systems flaw is right??
Ab00zer : /su <id> EVADING
Innocent Player : "what the hell?"
Ab00zer : "you no investigation, you evader"
**whole /p chat agrees with ab00zer**
Innocent Player shoots Ab00zer
**admin kick/tempban player for DM**
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Dan actually:
Cop: /su <id> shott,evide
Player: /l WTF??
*Bang bang bang
*Cop shoots the player
Player: /p OMG I got abused than killed
*Nobody gives a fuck
* End of the story.
But when I get abused:
*Trying to make RP
*Fail,cop shoots
*BUNNYHOP!
*Hide into a building,when he gets in,/exit,RUN
*BUNYHOP TO A CAR,FASTz0r!!!!1!!one!
*Evade..
we can see much cop abuses nowadays,but why would we change anything exept the pricee when the cop kills an innocent player ( he loses just 10$) and as a suspect he gets 600$ we lose 1000$. When a cop kills an innocent player atlest he should lose 1k$. We should try to make RP with freecops,and cops abusers in every situation..
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Giac the constitution states that a person HAS to be told why he is suspected and HAS to be told he has the right to a lawyer, meaning the regulation which says if you witness the crime no investigation shall be given or w/e it is, is technically going against the constitution, unless the person asks for a quick jail, where you are voiding the RP situation..
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If that is true then the SAPD Regulations should be changed. Although they have shown no sign of being changed. Talking about FBI regulations perhaps?
Stefan, if that player did /gu instead of WTF?!??! then they wouldn't have died.
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This information is really good for free cops!
Thanks men!
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As FBI we need to do that anyway - As for SAPD I thought that there was something about voiding investigations, or am I wrong?
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This topic is in line with SAPD regulations, which have obviously not been updated to be in line with the constitution. Until they are updated, myself and all other SAPD Officers will be working in line with the first post of this topic, as they reflect our own regulations.
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No matter how obvious the crime is, a suspect is entitled to an investigation. This is how it was and still is. If the suspect is obviously guilty, he probably won't ask for an investigation. If he does, the investigation won't take long because he's ''obviously guilty''.
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 11:38:37 pm
No matter how obvious the crime is, a suspect is entitled to an investigation. This is how it was and still is. If the suspect is obviously guilty, he probably won't ask for an investigation. If he does, the investigation won't take long because he's ''obviously guilty''.
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If you get abused you surrender and ask for investigation. If Officer claims he saw you evade when you clearly did not and he refuses investigate you report him to admin or higher rank officers and he will issue an investigation anyway,stop act like an lazy assholes and actually put effort to make your life easier instead of moaning like little kidos over all chat of abuse you receive. Most of you are huge drama queens and put 0 effort to deal with suspection abuse but expecting that everything gona be done for you or that nothing can be changed when it clearly can. Know your rights,read constitutions and all gona be fine. If you geting shot afther geting suspected /gu asap as Officer actions are clearly displaying he is an asshole wanting easy money or unaware newcomer .
Investigations can be denied in specific circumstances like it was and are Salm. Not everything leads to investigation as far there is proper evidence wich imidetly proves suspects validation to begin guilty.
Related to 10$ for murdering civil on duty instead of 1000 is the fact that in lots of cases as an officer you receive bullets in your face by multiple targets wich you are unaware of so to not waste your time and suspect him,you shoot him down as citizen to save your life wich for we lose only 10$ instead of 1000$ . If you claim that every officer kills civil for that and you lose somthing what you had on you there is equal chances an random neewbie gona stab you in a neck and you will lose equaly same thing.
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This topic is in line with SAPD regulations, which have obviously not been updated to be in line with the constitution. Until they are updated, myself and all other SAPD Officers will be working in line with the first post of this topic, as they reflect our own regulations.
baaaaaaa
think like pirates
Pirate Code (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6kgS_AwuH0#ws)
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So Giac, you think it's a good idea to follow regulations which go against the constitution, of which you are meant to be enforcing?
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This topic is in line with SAPD regulations, which have obviously not been updated to be in line with the constitution. Until they are updated, myself and all other SAPD Officers will be working in line with the first post of this topic, as they reflect our own regulations.
noshit.
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well I always give investigation when I got free time,if a suspect is wanted for murder and I saw him shooting in my eyes and I have no time to investigation I usually call another officer/jail him.
You're a little liar. When you're on cop duty, the only thing you do is to pursue orange people with combat shotgun and screaming ''/gu''. When asked you to open my door because I was in handcuffs, you told me you do not want to RP and reported me for something like '' fail to comply after gu''. :poke:
So do not lie in the forum that you give investigations or something.
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Cops and Criminals in SA:MP has always been a war between two colors, Blue and Orange. Nothing to complain about, thats the way it is.
And i bet the reason why you created this topic was because of your anger, you could have hidden the player's name at least. But you wanna show to the world that you're an angel, and he's wrong. What did he do? Ram your car hard? Then you decided to take him down for reckless driving?
This is not the topic of the century, we've seen many more.
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Cops and Criminals in SA:MP has always been a war between two colors, Blue and Orange.
Not in all servers.
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War between colors? Sadly I'm not aware how make facepalm emotion but I would insert it here.
It's not about cops it's not about criminals either it's about lack of interaction between sides,begin lazy to enforce roleplay or begin ignorant and agressive even that all shit is not needed here.
I've had many good times as a cop roleplaying with criminals,once in a shootout I throw granade down the hall and criminals splited up from explosion. Once by Corleone I got pushed in corner and I roleplayed hiding behind a box so they can't see me,and they actually roleplayed it back and went away with they vehicle . Once by Ice Road Trucker I got kidnaped while was checking his trailer in wich was stolen buldogs and mexican imigrants. Just try hard to enforce roleplay not forcing it to human and you might receive one back. Indeed many times when I roleplayed I might eat combat shotgun bullets but it's not bad afther all cause we are trying to improve roleplay scenarios between sides so maybe in future they will know me as an Officer who doesn't blasts gun to left to right ;)
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Not in all servers.
I respect Argonath Vision, i dont care about how they do it in other servers. So i was referring to SA:MP division, as i dont know how's it like in MTA, VC:MP or IV:MP.
War between colors? Sadly I'm not aware how make facepalm emotion but I would insert it here.
It's not about cops it's not about criminals either it's about lack of interaction between sides,begin lazy to enforce roleplay or begin ignorant and agressive even that all shit is not needed here.
I've had many good times as a cop roleplaying with criminals,once in a shootout I throw granade down the hall and criminals splited up from explosion. Once by Corleone I got pushed in corner and I roleplayed hiding behind a box so they can't see me,and they actually roleplayed it back and went away with they vehicle . Once by Ice Road Trucker I got kidnaped while was checking his trailer in wich was stolen buldogs and mexican imigrants. Just try hard to enforce roleplay not forcing it to human and you might receive one back. Indeed many times when I roleplayed I might eat combat shotgun bullets but it's not bad afther all cause we are trying to improve roleplay scenarios between sides so maybe in future they will know me as an Officer who doesn't blasts gun to left to right ;)
/me claps.
People like you are few, unfortunatly.
But sorry bro, we are not talking about your personal roleplay stories or fairy tales, we're discussing a general matter.
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I prefer death but no any surrender,if you come to my face and shout "/GU!/GU!"
Expect ten nice bullets on your sorry butt and don't come and cry "hey you cophunter,Dmer." :rofl:
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It is general matter,all starts by a pieces not falls down globaly like a comet.
Post Merge: January 14, 2012, 04:01:45 am
I prefer death but no any surrender,if you come to my face and shout "/GU!/GU!"
Expect ten nice bullets on your sorry butt and don't come and cry "hey you cophunter,Dmer." :rofl:
This topic have nothing to do with your type of view point on surrender and furstrating attidute towards officers.
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So Giac, you think it's a good idea to follow regulations which go against the constitution, of which you are meant to be enforcing?
I will follow my regulations or I will be fired. Simple as that. I don't know what "RP" group you are from but if you have regulations and rules, they're there to be followed.
Cops and Criminals in SA:MP has always been a war between two colors, Blue and Orange. Nothing to complain about, thats the way it is.
And i bet the reason why you created this topic was because of your anger, you could have hidden the player's name at least. But you wanna show to the world that you're an angel, and he's wrong. What did he do? Ram your car hard? Then you decided to take him down for reckless driving?
This is not the topic of the century, we've seen many more.
He did not ram me actually, I don't act out of revenge, I act out of wanting to keep the streets of SA safe. Do not make such bullshit accusations against me again, thank you..
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I will follow my regulations or I will be fired. Simple as that. I don't know what "RP" group you are from but if you have regulations and rules, they're there to be followed.
He did not ram me actually, I don't act out of revenge, I act out of wanting to keep the streets of SA safe. Do not make such bullshit accusations against me again, thank you..
Wow, Robocop.
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Wow, Robocop.
Here we go again with bullshit accusations. If you knew me, which you very clearly don't, you'd know that I'm the furthest thing from a robocop on this server. I don't participate in organised patrols, I don't hunt orange dots 24/7, and I RP in every opportunity I get, using my imagination (some people here don't understand that part) and making it enjoyable for all involved.
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Wow, Robocop.
The fact that GiacJr takes his role seriously is not a reason to criticise him, if anything you should simply say thank you for the useful information and leave it at that.
However, if you disagree with what GiacJr has written then by all means use this thread he has created to discuss it. But do it respectfully or not at all.
GiacJr, you do not need to respond to every comment that is made, especially nonsense ones like this; keep this to the subject at hand and if other people try to derail it then do not make it easier for them by taking their bait.
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You're a little liar. When you're on cop duty, the only thing you do is to pursue orange people with combat shotgun and screaming ''/gu''. When asked you to open my door because I was in handcuffs, you told me you do not want to RP and reported me for something like '' fail to comply after gu''. :poke:
So do not lie in the forum that you give investigations or something.
as I said when I got free time.
And what is your in game name?Of course I'm not going to give you investigation when you killed a cop near my eyes to spend my time on nothing.
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I like how each side tries to dig dirt in eachothers lies.
There's nothing that says that SAPD and ARPD is the holy angelforce. I have seen enough corruption stemming from there (more so from the SAPD). And frankly I think that it's time for another reshaping of it.
And on the other hand. You have frustrated criminals who just can't give a shit to actually shut the fuck up when they have actually done something illegal. Running in the mainchat whining like an spoilt little kid. Man your balls ffs and give up if you don't want to loose your guns or fight to the death (escaping is also an good option). Don't come crying if you try to /gu when you have an sliver of health left and you get shot. That's just bullshit.
High ranking SAPD members need to revise/rethink how they act towards civilians/criminals. Especially small crimes. You don't go throw someone in the jail for 100+ seconds when all they did was piss on the road. That's just retarded. And you should loose your badge for it.
So stop bullshitting at eachother you are both sides just as corrupt and sneaking around the law at every chance you get. I can partly understand the frustration of criminals. And all I see SAPD do is add fire onto it by calling them idiots and trying to be an smartass, just shut up and stop trying to act like godsent elites. And criminals should just shut the fuck up and /gu, if you do get abused even then just report it and stay quiet. Change your own damn diapers. :mad:
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High ranking SAPD members need to revise/rethink how they act towards civilians/criminals. Especially small crimes. You don't go throw someone in the jail for 100+ seconds when all they did was piss on the road. That's just retarded. And you should loose your badge for it.
thats the thing with rank systems... it makes the higher ranks total douchebags thinking they are untouchable... i miss the old days when i first started... i got picked up by 2 RP brothers playin cop, i was a hobo they took me out for the day, even gave me money for a shotgun to go shoot parked cars and stuff...
nowadays, if a cop comes into your radar... RUN or you gonna DAI!!! D:
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It again comes to point that you people just complain but do not report. If you see CMD Staff member acting like an asshole,get evidence and report him to Deputy or Chief ,simple .
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Hehe that was probably me Dan :P
And I was a Captain but stepped down due to inactivity. Always have just RPed the same character throughout SAPD history.
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thats the thing with rank systems... it makes the higher ranks total douchebags thinking they are untouchable... i miss the old days when i first started... i got picked up by 2 RP brothers playin cop, i was a hobo they took me out for the day, even gave me money for a shotgun to go shoot parked cars and stuff...
nowadays, if a cop comes into your radar... RUN or you gonna DAI!!! D:
>Old days
*What is old?* Says the Man in the Mirror.
Naturally if you've been running around evading cops, driving dangerously, risking civilians lives, and the original crime was just pissing in the round, yea, I'm still gonna kick your ass.
If you shoot at cops, and your crime is public nudity, do not blame us when you get killed or jailed for 180 seconds.
Just thought I'd tell you bro, it's accumulative.