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Title: Signed yet?
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 18, 2012, 06:36:22 am
Have you signed the petition to vote against SOPA and PIPA yet? If not, and you wish to have freedom on internet, Visit these links :

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ (https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/)

http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 05:59:20 pm
Will it only affect America?
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Reece on January 18, 2012, 06:05:07 pm
No.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 06:05:48 pm
No?
Are you saying one country's bills can shut down an international part?
You must be wrong or the world is retarded.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Reece on January 18, 2012, 06:12:02 pm
Correct. Any infringing site can be taken down. It is a US law but it's affects will be worldwide.

So Faceook, YouTube, Twitter Wikipedia etc can be closed or changed so heavily it would not be the same.

"The language used in the acts is so broad that sites such as Tumblr, Vimeo, LinkedIn, Twitter, YouTube and even the beloved Facebook could all come under threat and even face being shut down. There would be no due process with SOPA and PIPA, just a shutdown notice."

If you can stomach it:

WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM#ws)
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 06:15:19 pm
How many people need to sign it to stop?
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Reece on January 18, 2012, 06:23:35 pm
There isn't an amount of people that need to pass it. The entire world could petition and it could still be passed.

If you support it then, well you are crazy,

If you don't, sign it.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 06:24:51 pm
Signed.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Kizzu on January 18, 2012, 06:32:05 pm
If the server is located outside the US, US laws cannot affect the site...

And SOPA will not be passed.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 06:41:41 pm
Yup. They will just host it outside of the US.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Bilbo on January 18, 2012, 06:45:43 pm
Facebook, YouTube and many other sites are mainly hosted in the US. So the bills above would effect them world-wide.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 18, 2012, 06:47:39 pm
Facebook, YouTube and many other sites are mainly hosted in the US. So the bills above would effect them world-wide.
They will just host it outside of the US.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Aimzz on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 pm
Yup. They will just host it outside of the US.


Just to clear things out..

PIPA, if passed, will give U.S. corporations and the government the right to seek affirmative legal action with any website that they see as enabling copyright infringement whether of U.S. origin or not. Here is a breakdown of all that they will have the power to do.

Force U.S. internet providers to block access to websites deemed as enablers of copyright infringement
Seek legal action by suing search engines, blog sites, directories, or any site in general to have the black listed sites removed from their website
Will be able to force advertising services on infringing websites, and those supporting of them, to remove them from their advertising accounts
Companies will also have the power to sue any new websites that get started after this bill is passed, if they believe that they are not doing a good job of preventing infringement on your website


SOPA, if passed, will work in conjunction with PIPA. As described by such entities as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, SOPA is nothing more so than the U.S. government and private corporations black list.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Get Murked on January 18, 2012, 07:13:47 pm
Communism at its best.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Alsatian on January 19, 2012, 12:03:22 am
The USA's criticism of China seems all the more ironic now that this is actually being considered by Congress.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Dill on January 19, 2012, 12:29:18 am
How gay..
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Get Murked on January 19, 2012, 09:37:50 pm
Something confusing.

Since USA is a democratic country, will it even consider these petitions and others' "votes", but then again, if it is a democratic country why has this even been considered in congress?
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ben. on January 19, 2012, 10:02:29 pm
Even if it is hosted outside the US...any .com or .net also come under this legislation.

Since USA is a democratic country, will it even consider these petitions and others' "votes", but then again, if it is a democratic country why has this even been considered in congress?
Yeah, its really strange. The people are telling them to sod off, and they're continuing it anyway? Sounds like a dictatorship to me, and a shit one at that.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: stormeus on January 19, 2012, 10:20:25 pm
Since USA is a democratic country, will it even consider these petitions and others' "votes", but then again, if it is a democratic country why has this even been considered in congress?

The answer is simple. The United States Congress is full of old men who don't understand the Internet. Now, if they were geeks in their 20s-early 30s, we wouldn't be having this problem. :lol:
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on January 20, 2012, 02:28:36 pm
Megaupload has been shut down by Sopa...
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Salmonella on January 20, 2012, 02:31:58 pm
Megaupload has been shut down by Sopa...
A bill is not an organisation. The bill has not even been accepted yet, so there is not a single organisation authorized to carry out the work that would supposedly come with this bill. It was the FBI that shut down MegaUpload and this action had no official relation with the SOPA bill.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Rare on January 20, 2012, 02:38:01 pm
http://twitpic.com/88ueqz (http://twitpic.com/88ueqz)
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Salmonella on January 20, 2012, 02:41:21 pm
http://twitpic.com/88ueqz (http://twitpic.com/88ueqz)
Doesn't mean anything. If the photographer feels his content was stolen, he would've already sued the domain-owner. You don't have to credit someone if you have discussed the terms of copyright with, in this case, the photographer.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: JayL on January 20, 2012, 02:43:22 pm
The answer is simple. The United States Congress is full of old men who don't understand the Internet. Now, if they were geeks in their 20s-early 30s, we wouldn't be having this problem. :lol:

Even if they were 18 they would have to cede the pressure from recording industry.

Communism at its best.

Didn't know schools in your country ended with communism. Damn.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Wolfe on January 20, 2012, 05:32:34 pm
Something confusing.

Since USA is a democratic country, will it even consider these petitions and others' "votes", but then again, if it is a democratic country why has this even been considered in congress?

In USA, it is legal for you, who have a shit ton of money, "Donate" some to a politicians campaign, and he will propose laws that you will suggest, The people do not have the right to Deny a petition, only the congress, Sure, supposedly it was the politicians to hear the peoples call, and vote as they wanted, but they'l vote for whoever pays the most.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 21, 2012, 08:38:11 am
If the server is located outside the US, US laws cannot affect the site...

And SOPA will not be passed.
Not really, US controls the world, 90% of copy rights are registered in US or via U.S. companies, so They can steal control, It'll shutdown even Youtube.

SOPA will be like : You and I are friends, we take pic together, Obv. I have copyright on me, You upload the pic on facebook or anywhere, I can sue you and you get jailed. The shit is so damn tough.

Post Merge: January 21, 2012, 08:41:54 am
The answer is simple. The United States Congress is full of old men who don't understand the Internet. Now, if they were geeks in their 20s-early 30s, we wouldn't be having this problem. :lol:
Wats even worse is, even if they allow SOPA just to end piracy, there's no garauntee that the copyright owners won't raise the prices of their products tremendously.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Kizzu on January 21, 2012, 10:56:49 am
"You and I are friends, we take pic together, Obv. I have copyright on me, You upload the pic on facebook or anywhere, I can sue you and you get jailed. The shit is so damn tough."

That can already happen, If someone posts a photo of you in facebook without your consent, you can take it to court and sue the one that posted the photo.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 22, 2012, 01:43:44 pm
"You and I are friends, we take pic together, Obv. I have copyright on me, You upload the pic on facebook or anywhere, I can sue you and you get jailed. The shit is so damn tough."

That can already happen, If someone posts a photo of you in facebook without your consent, you can take it to court and sue the one that posted the photo.
Fuck yeah!! Brb gonna sue 10-20 people for 10 mills each xD
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: RafaDK on January 22, 2012, 03:29:27 pm
I totally agree with this new legislation.

And it's legit for record companies and movies producers. Every tard nowadays downloads illegal content, making the records(e.g) lose money because it's cheaper to download than pay for the album/movie/game. Mainly the companies will stop manufacturing/publishing w/e, because retards find it easier to download then pay for it, and it will have a limit, someday, if it continuous like this, publishers will go "bankrupt" and they will stop producing. I totally agree with this new law.
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Alsatian on January 22, 2012, 03:33:47 pm
I totally agree with this new legislation.

And it's legit for record companies and movies producers. Every tard nowadays downloads illegal content, making the records(e.g) lose money because it's cheaper to download than pay for the album/movie/game. Mainly the companies will stop manufacturing/publishing w/e, because retards find it easier to download then pay for it, and it will have a limit, someday, if it continuous like this, publishers will go "bankrupt" and they will stop producing. I totally agree with this new law.

3/10
Title: Re: Signed yet?
Post by: Get Murked on January 23, 2012, 09:05:49 pm
Didn't know schools in your country ended with communism. Damn.
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