Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Mr.Eagle on January 19, 2012, 03:50:59 am
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What on earth is this? :neutral:
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To put it bluntly, it'll be like the Great Firewall of China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China).
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lol get your point! will this affect our daily usage of internet?
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lol get your point! will this affect our daily usage of internet?
Probably not to people outside of United States.
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The bill gives them the power to shut sites down outside of the US if they infringe any US copyright.
The majority of sites would be affected if they infringe at any point, regardless of their location.
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THE BILL DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY POWER TO SHUT DOWN SITES OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, A BILL CAN NOT GIVE A COUNTRY JURISTICTION OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN, THEY CAN BLACK OUT THE SITES FOR AMERICAN USERS BUT NOT FOR EUROPEANS (and the rest of the world ofcourse)
Everyone that believes what Reece has posted is a complete retard, please refer to EliteTerms first and second post for confirmation.
HAHA!!! That is true man =)
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Actually they will be available to block the DNS (Domain) so for example if a site was to be blocked, you wouldn't be available to access the site from the domain ex: www.name.com (http://www.name.com) but from the server's ip. ex: http://1337.1337.1337.1337 (http://1337.1337.1337.1337) :lol: but I hope they rather not go with SOPA or PIPA because a lot features on many websites will be disabled, for example Vevo will be the 'monster' of Youtube, while videos on Facebook might completely be disabled or filtered for Copyright and shit.
:ps: Sopa in Greek> Shut Up and Pipa> Blowjob :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sorry I wrote that message in a rush on my phone.
But they do have the power to block DNS, which would make it difficult to access the site.
What I mean is that they can shut down and US site if they so much as link to an infringing website and they can the take out legal action against the site, of US origin or not, simply for copyright breaches.
Clearly they cannot shut the site down themselves if it is not under US law, however the legal actions would be incredible.
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They can do this, though. (http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/uk-man-faces-extradition-to-us-over-copyright-breach-1054605)
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Good point.
They could always extradite the owner or owners to the US. Most countries would comply with a request to extradite a person for criminal charges.
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Abraham I admire your efforts with the BBC generation. :lol:
:ps: Sopa in Greek> Shut Up and Pipa> Blowjob :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In Portuguese ''sopa'' is soup and ''pipa'' is kite. :P
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thepiratebay is a golden example of this, not even swedish law can touch that site (it was created and is hosted in sweden).
And even if Sweden gets a similar law, Piratebay could always just buy an oil rig in international waters and host the site from there. :lol:
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I was heading to see a couple of comedy movies but I think I'll stay here.
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THE BILL DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY POWER TO SHUT DOWN SITES OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, A BILL CAN NOT GIVE A COUNTRY JURISTICTION OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN, THEY CAN BLACK OUT THE SITES FOR AMERICAN USERS BUT NOT FOR EUROPEANS (and the rest of the world ofcourse)
Everyone that believes what Reece has posted is a complete retard, please refer to EliteTerms first and second post for confirmation.
You're quite rude, has anyone told you before?
This bit says it all:
They could always extradite the owner or owners to the US. Most countries would comply with a request to extradite a person for criminal charges.
They can do this.
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In two words: yankee drama.
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Whatever they do, This will not succeed 100%.
Everything in the internet is, let us say, burned to deep to be able to be removed/covered.
And this |
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They can do this, though. (http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/uk-man-faces-extradition-to-us-over-copyright-breach-1054605)
By our law he did nothing wrong. In fact, he has basically done no different to Google: providing links to websites that contain copyrighted material. Another example of our Justice System failing to protect its own citizens.
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You're so cute I just want to f**king cuddle up with you and strangle you to death.
If extradition was a viable option they would be doing it 24/7, all the time, not just after a retarded bill gets passed, the bill doesn't change any international laws about extradition, I don't even think it mentions it.
People need to realize that America != the world.
(http://t.qkme.me/356so6.jpg)
I'm a penguin...everyone wants to cuddle me...
Richard O'Dwyer. I'm not going to say any more about him, go find out.
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You seriously think Youtube, Wikipedia, Facebook, etc. wont move their servers to say; canada? europe? asia? australia? africa?
I lol'd at you irl.
While they all do have servers outside of the United States, the vast majority of their infrastructures are located within the United States. Not only that, but SOPA and PIPA would give the government to block not only websites, but also all sources of income, as well as forcing said websites to be removed from search engine listings.
Facebook and Google have entire teams of lawyers that they can afford, and that can fight to the death if such an issue arises. However...
- Youtube would simply not be able to function. Hours of footage are uploaded every second. It would be absolutely impossible to watch and approve each one. Moderator teams would not be able to respond quickly enough, and many copyrighted materials are distributed on it even today. Because of this, the site would have to be closed down, even if there's no court order against them, as all user content uploaded on it would be Youtube's responsibility, not the users'. Worse yet, if a court order targets it, all sources of income for Youtube (and subsequently a good deal of Google) would be gone. Youtube might as well not exist.
- Wikipedia would not be able to function. Wikipedia relies on a legal infrastructure to survive. The use of copyrighted materials for commentary would become a subject of controversy, and could also cause Wikipedia to go dark, as illustrated by their blackout. If something looks like infringement to the wrong judge, many will be punished for the actions of few.
- Small businesses would not be able to function if targeted. Unlike Google, Facebook, and Twitter, small businesses do not have entire teams of lawyers they can afford. Legal consultation would drain their resources, and even if they were found not guilty, the legal fees could be enough to shut them down.
- Startups and innovation would be stifled. Crowdsourcing, collaborative, and/or user-contributive technology would be popping up less and self-censored within the United States, as content on those websites and technologies would become solely the operators' responsibility, not the users'.
Many countries also have diplomatic ties to the United States, and use its policies as somewhat of a model. If SOPA/PIPA were to pass, there would be the potential for such policies to spread around the world, and be used as justification for the censorship that already exists in countries like China, and the oppressive regimes of Libya under Gaddafi and Egypt under Mubarak.
Tampering with DNS would also cause international issues on a large scale. While the intention is to block these websites within the United States, DNS is a complicated system, and in its current form, SOPA and PIPA would cripple international DNS. For example, to block a .com domain, Verisign, the registry for .com domains, would change their records for that domain to point to a government seizure notice. Because these registries control these domains for the entire world, that domain would therefore be blocked for the entire world.
Now, copyright holders already have methods of maintaining their rights as copyright holders, for example the DMCA and PRO-IP Acts. However, these big studios and record labels, etc. will only go as far as we let them.
tl;dr While this would initially cause a large impact within the United States, don't think you're completely safe. These bills will eventually affect everyone, and would cripple the Internet's reputation as innovative and free.
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It's not so easy to move entire farms of servers, nor is it easy for an entire corporation the size of, say, Google, to move countries. Also, the integrity of the global DNS system would be compromised.
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Not really. A
democratic nation passing such a law would probably influence other nations to pass similar laws. It would just become a game of cat and mouse, corporations moving country to country.
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Seeing the huge amount of money that can and will be generated from major companies changing countries, I highly doubt that country would add a law that draws them out.
See: SOPA.
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Basically a bunch of yanks using more yanks to safeguard their ultimate moni maka$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. This is just as logical as a monkey eating a banana. And logical it will also be for non-yanks to profit with companies running away from this SOPIPA or whatever. Otherword
s, drama.
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1. Political discussions are not allowed.
2. Racism and racial stereotypes are not allowed.
3. Controversial topics are not allowed.
If you guys can't discuss this without following the rules, then maybe this needs to be locked. It's a pretty straightforward discussion, yet somehow it has become about politics and racist generalization towards Americans...
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1. Political discussions are not allowed.
2. Racism and racial stereotypes are not allowed.
3. Controversial topics are not allowed.
If you guys can't discuss this without following the rules, then maybe this needs to be locked. It's a pretty straightforward discussion, yet somehow it has become about politics and racist generalization towards Americans...
I hope you wrote this reply in the wrong topic.
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If you guys can't discuss this without following the rules, then maybe this needs to be locked. It's a pretty straightforward discussion, yet somehow it has become about politics and racist generalization towards Americans...
There is no American politics, there is only the safeguarding of the rich.
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Anyways back on topic, any news on Anonymous or Megaupload?
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First video: Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom appears in court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZPe97vZJXM#)
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First video: Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom appears in court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZPe97vZJXM#)
Wrong thread?
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Wrong thread?
I think he was answering to previous post:
Anyways back on topic, any news on Anonymous or Megaupload?
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As much as it pains me to admit, I agree with you on this one :lol:
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First video: Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom appears in court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZPe97vZJXM#)
Not related to SOPA..
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SOPA and PIPA have been tabled for now.
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SOPA and PIPA have been tabled for now.
Postponed indefinitely. They're basically waiting for people not to care so they can pass it later.
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The only pro about this bill is that Justin Bieber would be jailed for copyright violations.
Why? He sang the copyrighted songs on Youtube that made him famous. :devroll:
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THE BILL DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY POWER TO SHUT DOWN SITES OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, A BILL CAN NOT GIVE A COUNTRY JURISTICTION OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN, THEY CAN BLACK OUT THE SITES FOR AMERICAN USERS BUT NOT FOR EUROPEANS (and the rest of the world ofcourse)
Everyone that believes what Reece has posted is a complete retard, please refer to EliteTerms first and second post for confirmation.
Check out Megaupload, can you steal access it? I doubt that.
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Check out Megaupload, can you steal access it? I doubt that.
That had nothing to do with SOPA, for example, Limewire was shutdown when SOPA didn't exist.
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The only pro about this bill is that Justin Bieber would be jailed for copyright violations.
Why? He sang the copyrighted songs on Youtube that made him famous. :devroll:
:lol:
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Guys, you have forgotten one of the acts altogether
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Contrary to what you realize, I'm an American, and thus I have plenty of rights allowing me to tell people to stop being racist towards Americans in this topic. If you don't like my posts, you have the freedom to report them, as well.
@Jubin: Lol your pic puts it perfectly. Hopefully ACTA gets shelved too...
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Jolly good show old bean, lets head inside for tea and crumpets, Fair game I say.
Tally Ho!
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Contrary to what you realize, I'm an American, and thus I have plenty of rights allowing me to tell people to stop being racist towards Americans in this topic. If you don't like my posts, you have the freedom to report them, as well.
@Jubin: Lol your pic puts it perfectly. Hopefully ACTA gets shelved too...
American is not a race.
Also the criticism isn't towards all americans. You should have a valid argument if you want to defend your nation.If not, stop bitching.
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It's not so easy to move entire farms of servers, nor is it easy for an entire corporation the size of, say, Google, to move countries. Also, the integrity of the global DNS system would be compromised.
Hey, thats a fuckin great idea, if all sites like FB and Google team up and say want to pass SOPA ? Go ahead, we're leaving U.S. and moving somewhere else, I BET YOU!! The government will be at their knees within 23 hours if that happens!
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Contrary to what you realize, I'm an American, and thus I have plenty of rights allowing me to tell people to stop being racist towards Americans in this topic. If you don't like my posts, you have the freedom to report them, as well.
@Jubin: Lol your pic puts it perfectly. Hopefully ACTA gets shelved too...
Criticism not agaisnt Americans, agaisnt your shit ass government who claims to allow and encourage freedom, yet manages to manipulate it's population with bills and companies personal interests.
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*cough* (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEN)
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*cough* (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEN)
That was an alternative someone proposed to combat SOPA and PIPA.
Criticism not agaisnt Americans, agaisnt your shit ass government who claims to allow and encourage freedom, yet manages to manipulate it's population with bills and companies personal interests.
Using racial stereotypes against Americans is against Americans. Most of the posts here attacked the people of the United States, not it's government.
Hey, thats a f**kin great idea, if all sites like FB and Google team up and say want to pass SOPA ? Go ahead, we're leaving U.S. and moving somewhere else, I BET YOU!! The government will be at their knees within 23 hours if that happens!
To an extent, they would be. The world, and especially the United States, relies very much on e-commerce to survive and run. If our world didn't have it in it's back pocket for making money online, the world economy likely would have already collapsed. That very large, secondary source of money is why a good portion of the world is still able to keep themselves running.
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Using racial stereotypes against Americans is against Americans. Most of the posts here attacked the people of the United States, not it's government.
Wolfe is American, too, though. :trust:
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Wolfe is American, too, though. :trust:
I was replying to his comment about the situation. He hadn't actually said any of the insults.
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Well, I see no reason to attack the people, Sure, there are fatty's and stupid, there is in the USA, and everywhere, Brazil has a shit load of stupid people, whom you can't even have a proper conversation. My government is corrupt, and we pay the highest taxes in the fucking world. So, I'm in no freaking position to argue agaisnt your people :P
Plus, most americans I've ever met always been cool.
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Well, I see no reason to attack the people, Sure, there are fatty's and stupid, there is in the USA, and everywhere, Brazil has a shit load of stupid people, whom you can't even have a proper conversation. My government is corrupt, and we pay the highest taxes in the f**king world. So, I'm in no freaking position to argue agaisnt your people :P
Plus, most americans I've ever met always been cool.
Thank you. That was all I asked from the other users is that they don't attack the people. You are totally correct in saying that every place in the world has people like that. Stereotypes are not nice. :)
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Although the discussion of piracy isn't allowed in Argo, that is freaking hilarious.
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Thank you. That was all I asked from the other users is that they don't attack the people. You are totally correct in saying that every place in the world has people like that. Stereotypes are not nice. :)
Stating the facts is ''racism'' and ''attacks'' now? SOPA, PIPA and whatever the Congress in USA are planning to vote are basically a result of big yankee companies pressing their yankee puppets in said Congrees to safeguard their money making sources. Adjective in question comes simply as the nationality, as SOPIPA is something exclusive to the United States. That is why these ''anti-piracy'' laws should be something expected as that is typical large capitalist companies logic anywhere.
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Stating the facts is ''racism'' and ''attacks'' now? SOPA, PIPA and whatever the Congress in USA are planning to vote are basically a result of big yankee companies pressing their yankee puppets in said Congrees to safeguard their money making sources. Adjective in question comes simply as the nationality, as SOPIPA is something exclusive to the United States. That is why these ''anti-piracy'' laws should be something expected as that is typical large capitalist companies logic anywhere.
Well, Let's just remember that is the US Government doings, not it's people. What Sugar wanted was no Racism or attacks to the American people, plus, their the ones who would be most affected, and they are fighting it back aswell.
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The US Government is although a part of the American people, unfortunately, these individuals are morons and completely out of bounds.
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The US Government is although a part of the American people, unfortunately, these individuals are morons and completely out of bounds.
No, the U.S. Government is not part of the American people. It's part of a group of people picked to "represent" the American people, who actually represent their own useless opinions instead.
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No, the U.S. Government is not part of the American people. It's part of a group of people picked to "represent" the American people, who actually represent their own useless opinions instead.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JCvui0ZlGBs/Twu9KXCt3-I/AAAAAAAAITE/pykS636uDP0/s400/tumblr_lcttnsi9AX1qb5bn1.gif)
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Learn American politics before you troll me over them. The U.S. Government is made up of those who represent the citizens of the country, by definition. They are voted in for that exact reason.
Now if you really wish to get onto this subject, then this topic will be needing a close...
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Sugar, if the government is a bunch of citizens of the USA, well..Then they are pretty much Americans aswell.
Now if your government was composed of Mexicans, then no, they would not be americans. or maybe they would, who knows :P
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Sugar, if the government is a bunch of citizens of the USA, well..Then they are pretty much Americans aswell.
Now if your government was composed of Mexicans, then no, they would not be americans. or maybe they would, who knows :P
They are composed of humans. People need to stop assuming that a person from another country is a completely different race. Yes, there are different ethnicities, but there is only one human race. Blame the people who take advantage of their power over other humans, not the people that live within an imaginary boundary. It's those people taking advantage of the situation that propose the stupid power-trip bills like SOPA and PIPA. They have no intention of stopping piracy...it's all about greed and power. That's what government has become in the last 100 years or so, maybe more. It's no longer about keeping order, but instead about keeping control. It's not a subject I want to divert to because politics aren't allowed here, but SOPA and PIPA are basically proof of that.
Anyway, now that SOPA and PIPA are pretty much done for, has anyone heard anything new about OPEN yet? I'm sure it's doomed to a similar fate after the internet blackouts, but it's getting very little news coverage in comparison, so it's something I'd rather not see pass either. Any censorship over the internet is bad. It's one thing to stop people who break the law or threaten the lives or well-being of others online, but it's another to pass a bill using that as an excuse just to control what people see or say altogether.
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Learn American politics before you troll me over them. The U.S. Government is made up of those who represent the citizens of the country, by definition. They are voted in for that exact reason.
Now if you really wish to get onto this subject, then this topic will be needing a close...
You fucking moron, the U.S. Government is a bunch of American citizens who got picked by the AMERICAN PEOPLE. You are talking like your fucking country is the only country on the planet, the whole freaking world got the same basic system when it comes to governments and elections. You are blindingly denying them from being Americans just because of their actions, they are as much American as you, the only thing that is mattering is their current "rank" within the government.
Quit accusing us of trolling you, posting a picture to show our expressions over your overall dumbness is not trolling. Now accept the fact that they are idiots, but they are still American people.
Oh and yeah, report me like you always do as you cannot face your own fucking faults.
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They are composed of humans. People need to stop assuming that a person from another country is a completely different race. Yes, there are different ethnicities, but there is only one human race. Blame the people who take advantage of their power over other humans, not the people that live within an imaginary boundary. It's those people taking advantage of the situation that propose the stupid power-trip bills like SOPA and PIPA. They have no intention of stopping piracy...it's all about greed and power. That's what government has become in the last 100 years or so, maybe more. It's no longer about keeping order, but instead about keeping control. It's not a subject I want to divert to because politics aren't allowed here, but SOPA and PIPA are basically proof of that.
Anyway, now that SOPA and PIPA are pretty much done for, has anyone heard anything new about OPEN yet? I'm sure it's doomed to a similar fate after the internet blackouts, but it's getting very little news coverage in comparison, so it's something I'd rather not see pass either. Any censorship over the internet is bad. It's one thing to stop people who break the law or threaten the lives or well-being of others online, but it's another to pass a bill using that as an excuse just to control what people see or say altogether.
Dude, you basicly said the American government aren't americans, what I was trying to say, was that they are american citizens just like you. Your going on a fucking crazy ride.No, the U.S. Government is not part of the American people. It's part of a group of people picked to "represent" the American people, who actually represent their own useless opinions instead.
They aren't ? Then what are they ?
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Anyway, now that SOPA and PIPA are pretty much done for, has anyone heard anything new about OPEN yet?
Nope, but ACTA is still very much a huge threat to freedom of expression and the internet as we know it.
In fact, the UK and 21 other countires in the EU have all signed up to ACTA, with only 5 countries opposing. This is f**king bad, guys.
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2012/01/26/uk-signs-acta-as-activists-urge-resistance-40094914/ (http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2012/01/26/uk-signs-acta-as-activists-urge-resistance-40094914/)
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2141661/uk-signs-acta-rest-europe (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2141661/uk-signs-acta-rest-europe)
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Mind explaining what that is, Alsatian? I haven't heard anything about it.
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Mind explaining what that is, Alsatian? I haven't heard anything about it.
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - in a nutshell, and the most worrying aspect of it, is that it will effectively give major corporations the ability to censor anything they deem copyrighted material. It spells absolute disaster.
Watch this video. It explains everything very well and in detail.
What Is ACTA ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0#ws)
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Really interesting, will be shared and worked against.
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SugarD's referring to the fact that nowadays Corporations with big money influence politics and votes. I lost faith in the Government after the Supreme Court upheld a rule saying that Corporations are "people".
So, in a sense.. the country isn't run by the "American" people, it's being run by those who pay millions to run the country their own ways.
You think people as this:
(http://drpinna.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/American-People-Flag.jpg)
But in reality it's this:
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No, the U.S. Government is not part of the American people. It's part of a group of people picked to "represent" the American people, who actually represent their own useless opinions instead.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48339001/putin1.png)
They are composed of humans. People need to stop assuming that a person from another country is a completely different race. Yes, there are different ethnicities, but there is only one human race.
Yet you are the one accusing of racism against yankees.
The fact that big companies are using of their influence to safeguard their money making does not change the fact that they are yankees. Is life in USA so shitty to the point of making you deny your own nationality? I wonder.