It looks rather promising.
First Glimpse previews added :)
This is cool.
Now I would really like to see the math behind this algorithm. If this is unofficial where do you take the data from to calculate the changes of business stock values. For now it seems more like a top shop advertisement to me.(http://derek-martinez.us/imgs/?di=KLOI)
How is it different?
This stock market is like no other in the state of Argonath, or any of the other previous attempted establishments because it is powered by an advanced algorithm and series of fail-safes engineered in PHP by professional developers.
Now I would really like to see the math behind this algorithm. If this is unofficial where do you take the data from to calculate the changes of business stock values. For now it seems more like a top shop advertisement to me.
The Stocks prices are determined every 15 minuets by the system, no person can manually set a stock price.Supply and demand of what? Also, who will change the volume of stocks. Who determines what business will be even on the stock market. How would the taking down business from the stock market look like? What about leverage? Are the businesses actually just fictional or when I hold more than 51% can I actually make the decisions about the way of the business is run in-game?
Starting Stocks -> These are stocks that just got added, they are determined by the business assets (property price+bank) and the number of shares they business owner decides to enter (volume of shares).
Active Stocks -> These stocks are determined once they have been active for at least 1 hour, they are determined by supply/demand and the changes in volume and lightly affected by the changes in business assets.
I hope this clarifies things up a bit for you, and anyone else in question or interested in know how the system works.
We don't have a plain English version of the algorithms behind this, as its all programmed and we're not releasing the source code behind the project, essentially the most crucial part of it.
Cool thing, when can we see this in action?The date is posted on the front page. You shall go and look after it. ;)
when I hold more than 51% can I actually make the decisions about the way of the business is run in-game?
Supply and demand of what? Also, who will change the volume of stocks. Who determines what business will be even on the stock market. How would the taking down business from the stock market look like? What about leverage? Are the businesses actually just fictional or when I hold more than 51% can I actually make the decisions about the way of the business is run in-game?
Is this just for SA:MP, or will it eventually be for all servers?
I feel, and hope at some point it can eventually expand to other servers :)Awesome! Would love to have ya in LU also! :)
Everything relating to stocks, prices, amounts, etc. is done by the system on its own based on the buying, selling of the stocks.Now this sentence right here is the one that I am most skeptical. But oh well I guess I have to wait and see.
Take your time for perfection Teddy. Rome wasn't built in a day. Best of luck to you! :)
Alright,
Stressed out and after many glasses of rum and coke, and many attempts to correct a certain issue we have decided to take another approach. During today's first simulated run of the system, we encountered many errors, it appears we are under thinking this system. We are thinking the following system, we are actually going to make this again more realistic to the real stock market.
The new concept is a matter of trading, someone owns stock that they want to sell, they then simply contact the broker with a asking price for the stock, a buyer interest in buying a stock will then place a bid on that stock. If they match, the said stock is then traded between the two. In such, this fluctuates the price of stock.
Any feedback or suggestions are gladly accepted in either my or Mikro's PM's
The sad news now, is much has to be removed, then re-coded. This will delay us about a week in our estimated released date.
Regards
Teddy
Teddy, where's my [WS] tag? :(yee...
I don't care when or how long this takes, If you take your time and make it into a success, That's what everyone is looking for. The date can be set for next year if needed for you to make this into a success.Agreed. Take your time for your perfection. Don't let the hype of users rush you. :)
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What about selling short? Also, why cant the system itself do the work of money handlers and brokers as for now it seems those dudes get money basically for doing f**k all.
You don't really know how a Stock market works do you?As this won't be a realistic stock market anyway I don't see, why some people should get just free money for doing something that script itself could do.
As this won't be a realistic stock market anyway I don't see, why some people should get just free money for doing something that script itself could do.Because this is a RP community and we don't rely on scripts to do things for us :roll:
Because this is a RP community and we don't rely on scripts to do things for us :roll:
What about selling short? Also, why cant the system itself do the work of money handlers and brokers as for now it seems those dudes get money basically for doing f**k all.
Because this is a RP community and we don't rely on scripts to do things for us :roll:Neither are we a community that likes to give money to people for doing nothing.
Your questions translate to the following...Ah, ok. Got it.
How do you imply an unofficial program transferring money in-game? In short, this is possible but I highly doubt I'd be granted access to the necessary parts of users files or database to be able to preform such an action.
How do you imply the system going in-game and RPing a meeting with someone to arrange a bid for a share or a sale? You don't.
What about selling short?
I would like to invest $100.000 in ASM? How?
http://www.argonathstockmarket.info/staff.php?brokers (http://www.argonathstockmarket.info/staff.php?brokers)Sure, but your meeting script is bugged ;)
You'll need to arrange a meeting with a broker, and speak with them about how many you wish to purchase and the bid price.
Sure, but your meeting script is bugged ;)
Supply and demand of what? Also, who will change the volume of stocks. Who determines what business will be even on the stock market. How would the taking down business from the stock market look like? What about leverage? Are the businesses actually just fictional or when I hold more than 51% can I actually make the decisions about the way of the business is run in-game?I have an idea which can solve 90% of the questions, Do it like BSF, i.e. Only BSF supported or RolePlay companies can go private, Like if someone has 51% shares of a company he becomes the owner ofc. If the company lives or dies is up to him. Because selling shares of In game businesses like Ammunations and 24X7s would be way too complicated and unreal.
I have an idea which can solve 90% of the questions, Do it like BSF, i.e. Only BSF supported or RolePlay companies can go private, Like if someone has 51% shares of a company he becomes the owner ofc. If the company lives or dies is up to him. Because selling shares of In game businesses like Ammunations and 24X7s would be way too complicated and unreal.
This idea will be discussed with the developers. However, it already is that only companies with a topic can go public, not just random companies. It is upto the owners of these RP companies to go public, and they can choose to RP or not RP shareholder meetings.Ah, Awesome and easier to understand then. :D
ASM will not offer "ownership" RP of the company, as its not a company. However, we will have shareholder meetings in-game once a month. For example, each company has the option to which they want / don't want to RP.
No support for MTA:VC and VC:MP? :O
:neutral:<3
Forgot them on my list.
Yes, all servers will be supported in the servers expansion update.
In the event of a script error or failure because we all know it happens or you simply lose interest in this fantastic idea are you prepared to refund all the companies that have signed up and invested 150,000 ARD. With the system being new and all and my investment of 150,000 ARD required I'm alittle hesitant to sign up unless I know for certain your dedicated to making this work and keeping it around for a long time to come.
I attempted to try that Business thing, but when I came to the dashboard, there were no such Button as you mentioned...
I've checked your account and you have account set to a shareholder, would you like me to upgrade it to a company account?sure lol
sure lol
Sounds fair then. I'll go ahead and complete the sign up process.
mysql> show tables
-> ;
+---------------------+
| Tables_in_derek_asm |
+---------------------+
| accounts |
| applications |
| businesses |
| calendar |
| changes |
| claims |
| connections |
| crons |
| current |
| keys |
| logs |
| messages |
| notifications |
| purchases |
| rates |
| requests |
| sales |
| stocks |
| system |
| tickets |
| tracking |
| trades |
| updates |
| user_online |
+---------------------+
24 rows in set (0.10 sec)
Can I have the source? Nope. Chuck Testa
lol.
We are joking around on msn man...
I don't really want it lol
HEY MAN THATS UNCALLED FOR.xD
You know i am gut at coding now
HEY MAN THATS UNCALLED FOR.
You know i am gut at coding now
This stuff is way over my IQ
Me = Dumb
don't be so negative to yourself mate :)Infact i read everything which was written in "Learn more" still don't get it :cry:
Have you read: Learn More (http://www.argonathstockmarket.info/more.php)? If you still don't understand I can explain a bit more for you. You aren't the only one, Stock Markets are not easy concepts.
Infact i read everything which was written in "Learn more" still don't get it :cry:
heh I suppose its not a good thing that I dont understand what on there either dude the learn more is to dam difficult you should make it simple like buy a stock low sell it when its high :DIt is exactly like Dillon_Collin explained, nothing more. Only thing what lies between is the leeches you give 15% percent of your transaction money for lets say role playing with you.
It is exactly like Dillon_Collin explained, nothing more. Only thing what lies between is the leeches you give 15% percent of your transaction money for lets say role playing with you.
The company(IRL) I use charges a 30% brokerage fee; and I don't even talk to them in person, its done by their website so its not really "leeches". Its called a brokerage fee, which is a commission to the broker. As I've stated I don't make money, and there has to be some way to pay the brokers and handlers. I think 15% is pretty reasonable.I understand you and in real life it does work. Argonath although is not real life and here 15% is a lot. If some rich guys makes 1mil deal 300k goes to brokerage fees. Now in the context of Argonaths current money system 300k is a lot.
Site is down due to hosting complications.
We will have the site up and running again, or switched shortly.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Okay the site is down, but when i went to argonathstockmarket.info it says " Account Suspended" . So i am a little confused that will my account be back when the forums will be back?It could be a misunderstanding with the host that they are trying to work out. When the site is back up, as is their database, (if hosted elsewhere), then your account will be back too.
Wow, there should be a Argonath banking and OAuth API so players can link their accounts directly to this system.
(http://)Blank post? You forgot the image URL my friend. ;)
| (http://derek-martinez.us/imgs/?di=JIFV) | Argonath Stock Market Official Statement |
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[b]In-game Name:[/b]
[b]Server(s):[/b]
[b]Username:[/b]
(( if Argo admin+ simply note under server(s) tab ))
Introducing the latest feature of Argonath Stock Market... Mobile. :) We have gone mobile, with a mobile-browser enabled version and in-development of an Argonath Stock Market for Android phones!
You can access it here (http://m.argonathstockmarket.info): http://m.argonathstockmarket.info (http://m.argonathstockmarket.info)
Note: For security reasons, you must enabled mobile access in your account settings, and unlike the full-web browser version, you must be logged into to use the mobile features!As of right now, there is no "auto" redirect to mobile feature, this will be implemented as soon as the script to do it stops screwing with me :P
Enjoy!
Liberty tree is missing in this topic :poke:
kan i haz source code?
| (http://derek-martinez.us/imgs/?di=D9KK) | Argonath Stock Market will be offline whilst we transfer to our new home. ASM Home will be located @ http://asm.argonathrpg.com/ (http://asm.argonathrpg.com/) ASM Mobile will be located @ http://asm.argonathrpg.com/mobile (http://asm.argonathrpg.com/mobile) ASM Android will be located @ http://asm.argonathrpg.com/android (http://asm.argonathrpg.com/android) The old url: www.argonathstockmarket.info (http://www.argonathstockmarket.info) will be directed to our new homepage. Thanks to Ronnel for the new hosting services and see you back shortly! Regards, Argonath Stock Market Team [WS]Teddy, [WS]Mikro [BGM]Aldo TeaM_Hess |
And I'd like to know how much of this code has been taken from my company? :roll:
All,
This is off-topic but please take some time to view this topic:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=47034.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=47034.0)
We have launched this group with the intention of bringing business orientated scope back to roleplay.
As many of you here are interested in business, I'm sure you would be interested to know of its activity moving forward.
Version 3 is almost ready for public use, we are looking for 5 people to help test the new system!I've been ready for three weeks now! Bring it on, tiger!
The system will be ready for beta testing sometime in the afternoon tomorrow, testing will take place until the system is released the the day after that.
Please let us know if you are interested via my PM.
Welcome to the redefined Argonath Stock Market. We've been working around the clock the past few weeks to rethink, redesign and entirely remaster an already perfect system to become incomparably perfect. We can officially guarantee our is like no other seen before in the United States of Argonth. It features its own blog, help desk, forums, market, news information, guides, and so much more. Are you ready to experience a whole new Argonath Stock Market?
The system is in mid beta, we are working to resolve some issues with a few things once we do this and finish up some loose end we will be ready to go.I smell a few more weeks there... :trust:
http://argonathstockmarket.info/ (http://argonathstockmarket.info/) domain is down, change the pic's link :P!http://asm.argonathrpg.com/ (http://asm.argonathrpg.com/)
http://asm.argonathrpg.com/ (http://asm.argonathrpg.com/)I know, I just wanted to say to update the images's link.
Guess that marks the end of ASM?
Nope. We're not rereleasing until RS5. We're still working :D