| (http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/03/28/new_gliese_concept.jpg) | THE Milky Way is home to tens of billions of rocky planets - including about 100 nearby - that could potentially harbour life, a new study has concluded. Astronomers spent six years observing 102 of the most common type of stars in our galaxy, known as red dwarfs, to come up with this direct estimate of planets in the habitable zones around them. They calculated that about 40 per cent of red dwarfs have super-earths - planets with masses between one and ten times that of Earth - in the not-too-close, not-too-distant zone where liquid water can exist. The research team leader, Xavier Bonfils, said about 160 billion red dwarfs - fainter, cooler and longer-lasting stars than the sun - exist in the Milky Way. ''Because red dwarfs are so common this leads us to the astonishing result that there are tens of billions of these planets in our galaxy alone,'' Dr Bonfils, of the University of Grenoble in France, said. Within 30 light years of earth, there are probably one hundred of these super-earths in habitable zones, he said. While the temperature on these planets would be suitable for liquid water, red dwarf stars commonly experience eruptions or flares. The x-rays and ultraviolet radiation released by these stellar events could reduce the chances of life existing there, the researchers said. They used a European Southern Observatory telescope in Chile to make the observations and the results are to be published in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics. In the past 16 years astronomers have detected more than 700 planets outside our solar system, many of them massive planets, similar to Jupiter or Saturn, more than 100 times bigger than Earth. The latest study, which looked at changes in the light spectrum of the stars to infer the presence of planets, suggests these giants are rarely found around red dwarfs. |
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Believing there is no other life in another solar system is just wrong.
It's obviously a fact; and I'm quite certain that's where you start over when you die.
Once one is dead, there is no life after death.I agree.
I think it's possible that we could find life. But probably some microbial living cells is the best we're going to find.
Such were already found...Not 100% sure but I'm 98.9% sure I read about it somewhere
Such were already found...Not 100% sure but I'm 98.9% sure I read about it somewhere
Such were already found...Not 100% sure but I'm 98.9% sure I read about it somewhereNo, they didn't. I don't think you realize how huge it would be if they even found a living microbial cell. It would be ALL OVER the news, a huge breakthrough.
Seems more than reasonable to assume life exists on other planets. I disagree that the most we would find is microbes though. Look at our planet...it was not necessarily the first planet to harbour life. If our planet can pruduce so many creatures, then surely other planets could have creatures not unlike the ones we have on Earth. By that, I mean split into categories, vaguely:But the conditions on Earth are 100% perfect for life. All the other earth-like planets found so far have a flaw. Some orbit red dwarfs, causing loads of X-Rays, some are tidally locked etc etc. Also a lot depends on the ammount of greenhouse gases for the temprature. I doubt there's many perfect planets like Earth out there, and what are the chances of those having life on them too? Not a lot.
- Birds
- Mammals
- Amphibians
- Fish
E.g.
If theres water, it is likely creatures will mutate to live in it. The technique may be different of course.
As for death...I guess thats a discussion for another topic ;)
But the conditions on Earth are 100% perfect for life. All the other earth-like planets found so far have a flaw. Some orbit red dwarfs, causing loads of X-Rays, some are tidally locked etc etc. Also a lot depends on the ammount of greenhouse gases for the temprature. I doubt there's many perfect planets like Earth out there, and what are the chances of those having life on them too? Not a lot.There is life found in the hottest vulcanoes, there is life found in the coldest icy places. There is life found 10Km under the sea. All places where we could not survive. So that a planet is not placed perfect for our species does not mean there can not be intelligent life. Somewhere a 15-year old green blob is typing the same thing you just typed...
There is life found in the hottest vulcanoes, there is life found in the coldest icy places. There is life found 10Km under the sea. All places where we could not survive. So that a planet is not placed perfect for our species does not mean there can not be intelligent life. Somewhere a 15-year old green blob is typing the same thing you just typed...
I disagree. Once one is dead, one is dead. There is no life after death.So, you do not believe a single spark that life do exist after death? You mean that we are brought to earth, doing our useless things, then dying.
But the conditions on Earth are 100% perfect for life. All the other earth-like planets found so far have a flaw. Some orbit red dwarfs, causing loads of X-Rays, some are tidally locked etc etc. Also a lot depends on the ammount of greenhouse gases for the temprature. I doubt there's many perfect planets like Earth out there, and what are the chances of those having life on them too? Not a lot.Perfect for the life on Earth. For example, there are living microbes living right in volvanoes...where surely they should burn to death. They could evolve into bigger creatures, but for now they are small.
In order to hve any chance of exploration, we would have to beat Einstein first.I'll distract him, you'll grab him from behind, OK?
I think IF any life is found in our life time the chances of it being such advanced organisms such as humans or even rat like creatures is out of reach, I think the only thing would be micro-organisms such as single cells life's that live in what and such; even this would be an amazing discovery. Only problem is reaching this planets would be incredibly impossible for modern day tech.There are billions of planets that are in the 'life zone' which means on a distance from a star that there can be running water and an atmosphere like on Earth. All these planets have existed for billions of years.
What if I told you I was an alien? :trust:I will believe you when you connect from an IP of your own planet. :D
Lets get the mythbusters to see if distant space travel is possible. :lol:
You mean that we are brought to earth, doing our useless things, then dying.
The main thing that would prevent contact is the speed of light. If it indeed can not be broken, it will be nearly impossible to explore other planets.
You are superior to a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to them?I will as soon as they grasp the concept of language for example like another inferior animal - dolphin.
I will believe you when you connect from an IP of your own planet. :DMy planet didn't have Virgin Fibreoptic Broadband, thats why we came to Earth! :D
Do you mean players from another server ? Yeah tried many times. :lol:
You are superior to a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to them?
And surely People have never fought over the birthplace of the same guy because of their religion or forced other civilizations the same religious views on them.
Then comes God, ever wonder why civilizations all over the world has the same idea of a system of God, with no connection to each other's systems? surely they didnt learn it from eachother...
I don't want to cause an argument with a religious person, but IMO god doesn't exsist scientists have explained how the universe and everything living was made with true evidential facts yet everyones still like 'Bull shit, god did it' and then theres aliens, religious people refuse to believe in their existance because they only want to believe in what they've been told by their holy book of bullshit. No offence intended, I'm just an open speaker.
I believe that God does exist, and this God is aliens, we are like their little generate babies.
Then who will their God be?Another alien species?
I believe that God does exist, and this God is aliens, we are like their little generate babies.No, even if aliens do exist they did not create us.
No, even if aliens do exist they did not create us.
Evolution did! A monkey found out he could scratch his ass with his hand when it itched and boom! Intelligence was born! :D
Believing there is no other life in another solar system is just wrong.your concept of it being an obvious fact is very wrong... However I do believe its possible. In some ways there are infinite chances of life.
It's obviously a fact; and I'm quite certain that's where you start over when you die.
Actually, the monkey was too busy scratching his ass, he did not notice it was too late when the aliens beamed him up into their prehistoric spaceship for neurological enhancements that would elevate his intelligence level.:lol:
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/03/28/new_gliese_concept.jpg) THE Milky Way is home to tens of billions of rocky planets - including about 100 nearby - that could potentially harbour life, a new study has concluded.
Astronomers spent six years observing 102 of the most common type of stars in our galaxy, known as red dwarfs, to come up with this direct estimate of planets in the habitable zones around them.
They calculated that about 40 per cent of red dwarfs have super-earths - planets with masses between one and ten times that of Earth - in the not-too-close, not-too-distant zone where liquid water can exist.
The research team leader, Xavier Bonfils, said about 160 billion red dwarfs - fainter, cooler and longer-lasting stars than the sun - exist in the Milky Way.
''Because red dwarfs are so common this leads us to the astonishing result that there are tens of billions of these planets in our galaxy alone,'' Dr Bonfils, of the University of Grenoble in France, said.
Within 30 light years of earth, there are probably one hundred of these super-earths in habitable zones, he said.
While the temperature on these planets would be suitable for liquid water, red dwarf stars commonly experience eruptions or flares.
The x-rays and ultraviolet radiation released by these stellar events could reduce the chances of life existing there, the researchers said.
They used a European Southern Observatory telescope in Chile to make the observations and the results are to be published in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.
In the past 16 years astronomers have detected more than 700 planets outside our solar system, many of them massive planets, similar to Jupiter or Saturn, more than 100 times bigger than Earth.
The latest study, which looked at changes in the light spectrum of the stars to infer the presence of planets, suggests these giants are rarely found around red dwarfs.
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So maybe not in our lifetime, but perhaps in a couple of hundred years the human race could begin expanding and living out of this galaxy! Incredible!
Do you think that human-like species exist out of our World? Is it possible we could life out of this world? EARTH LIKE PLANETS, could they be new homes?
What do you think?
Humans could definatly expand far out, IN OUR LIFETIMES, look at what we've achieved in the past 112 years, the invention of that shitty biplane turned into high speed prop planes in no time, and then prop planes turned into jet engines even faster, brick phones turned into credit card sized paper thin touch screen computer in only 20 years, as technology advances each day, the possibily of doing more and more with the technology becomes more real, they could discover how to harness the power of dark matter to make their ships travel far further at much higher speed at any time, nothing really stopping the human race from doing it apart from the lack of knowledge.
Everyone always considers life to exist on other planets, but what if the search goes on for so long its just assumed we are the only known habitable planet. Wouldn't that be weird? Just thinking that with all of the masses of stars and planets, we are the only one to sustain life.... would just extend the importance of one's life.If we are the ONLY alive beings in entire UNIVERSE, than how do you explain UFO's?
If we are the ONLY alive beings in entire UNIVERSE, than how do you explain UFO's?
If we are the ONLY alive beings in entire UNIVERSE, than how do you explain UFO's?
There was an UFO case from 1893. Some air vehicle the size of a blimp moving at (approxemeatly, compared to today's speed) jumbo jet speed. That UFO crashed, and hit a windmill. It happened in USA, in the city of Aurrora (idk if it is the correct name). After the crash, they found an aluminium like metal, and in middle of all of that, they found an alien body. That body was burried on a local cementeary. They made a toomstone wich had picture of that UFO. Metal from wich that UFO was made was radioactive. Also, History channel was there, and they recovered a piece of that metal. They took it to lab, and tested it. They figured out that that metal did NOT BELONG TO ANY OF THE EARTH ELEMENTS! Hey, if that AINT big enough proof, than, only proof valid to you is an actual alien coming to your house, and punching you in the face...
lolWhat is funny bout that? Humans certeanly dont not make UFO in 1947.
Everyone always considers life to exist on other planets, but what if the search goes on for so long its just assumed we are the only known habitable planet. Wouldn't that be weird? Just thinking that with all of the masses of stars and planets, we are the only one to sustain life.... would just extend the importance of one's life.It's kind of impossible that Earth could be the only planet with intelligent life or just plain life at all, theres so many stars, with so many planets on each star, scientists estimate that the Milky Way could contain upwards of 50 billion planets, and 500 million could be habitable.
If we are the ONLY alive beings in entire UNIVERSE, than how do you explain UFO's?You said your dad says 'the faster you learn, the better' but, whats happening with you? If UFOs were flying round us on a daily occurrence we'd have more than just videos of a floating white light in the sky, it'd be nearly impossible for any government to hide any contact from outside, or inside from life that developed elsewhere in the solar system, honestly man I see so many posts from you and nearly all of them have no realistic facts or just anything of interest at all.
What is funny bout that? Humans certeanly dont not make UFO in 1947.
What about those unexplained lights / objects that would fly around high-profile places such as the US District of Columbia (which itself is mostly a no-fly zone), where dispatching fighter jets have failed to intercept / contact them, while the public watched from below?
Such occurrences have happened before.
Now i wonder who would suspect experimental aircrafts flying in there...I seriously do not bealive that an experimental flying craft could reach the speed from 0KP/H to 2000 KP/H in less than 1 second. Whell atleast without falling apart like chinese sneakers after 3 weeks!
If aliens visit us, it is clear they come to get drugs. Whenever a UFO is spotted it is behaving like the pilot is high.
afaik, space is still 'infinite'.
I seriously do not bealive that an experimental flying craft could reach the speed from 0KP/H to 2000 KP/H in less than 1 second. Whell atleast without falling apart like chinese sneakers after 3 weeks!
Whaaaaa?! Aliens dont have theyre own drugs.... Now on what will i get high :cry: :cry: :cry:
You'd have to take the size of space into consideration.
afaik, space is still 'infinite'.
optimism activated!
It actually isn't, according to some people. A lot of modern theories speculate that our universe is finite, and where it ends, another one begins. Another one with completely different laws of nature.
Not that we'll ever be able to confirm it.
What about those unexplained lights / objects that would fly around high-profile places such as the US District of Columbia (which itself is mostly a no-fly zone), where dispatching fighter jets have failed to intercept / contact them, while the public watched from below?Yes, and any footage or videos of this kind of thing are usually christmas lights stuck to someones wind screen. :D
Such occurrences have happened before.
If aliens visit us, it is clear they come to get drugs. Whenever a UFO is spotted it is behaving like the pilot is high.Oh yes, because if I was an alien visiting Earth, the first thing I'de do instead of introducing myself is locate the nearest weed farm. :lol:
So, you do not believe a single spark that life do exist after death? You mean that we are brought to earth, doing our useless things, then dying.OFAH - Three Men, a Woman and a Baby part 1 of 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9ojLv_56k#)
Sounds to me like it's completely rubbish.
Dying is also one of the finest thing you can ever imagine. Once one is about to die, everything disappears, not a single nervousity, not a single frustration over some abnormal shitty thing.
It would be even more rubbish if it ends there. Maybe we all have lived repeated life's on different solar systems, we just don't know it.
no conspiracy, just saying - could be fake if it's not surely fake. It sounds like electro magnetic fields are causing these sounds but there's a lot of people who support it's aliens and a sign of the apocalypse.Why would aliens be connected to a religious story ?
no conspiracy, just saying - could be fake if it's not surely fake. It sounds like electro magnetic fields are causing these sounds but there's a lot of people who support it's aliens and a sign of the apocalypse.This video just sounds like someone playing loud instruments and badly, the only apocalypse will be people losing their minds to shit storys and un-ture/proven facts like this. :roll:
Apocalyptic Sounds from Around the Globe!!! 2011 - 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XsVZ8OgTs#ws)
Why would aliens be connected to a religious story ?Don't you know, aliens are in constant contact with Sauron? :lol:
If aliens visit us, it is clear they come to get drugs. Whenever a UFO is spotted it is behaving like the pilot is high.You'd think with thousands of years of technology, they did not invent drugs yet? :lol:
Yes, and any footage or videos of this kind of thing are usually christmas lights stuck to someones wind screen. :D
You'd think with thousands of years of technology, they did not invent drugs yet? :lol:The main ones would be projections on clouds from a massive projector (Seen this in person), flares or organised flying. :D
On a more serious note...
Tell me more about how you can manipulate thousands of spectators into seeing christmas lights in the sky.
Why would aliens be connected to a religious story ?
Because they are unknown. We have survived world wars and a lot of disasters, so the only thing that remains unknown is wether aliens exist and if they come it will be something similar to the Apocalypse.
When the Europeans colonized America, it meant the downfall of native American civilization.Europe defended Native Americans to an extent.
One of the laws of progress is that lesser civilizations will be overwhelmed by superior ones when contact is established and continued. Any civilization that can make its way across hundreds / thousands of light years to get here should be easily capable of wiping us out.Yes thats true but it depends on whether the alien race has technology that could beat ours, maybe their ships they came here in could be downed with electric weapons, maybe they have an access point where their propulsion systems work though that we could shove a nuke in and down the ship as a whole, maybe they can't detect our nuclear submarines and they can continue any long term attacks, you have to remember their ships may be designed for distant travel, but maybe not defence again weapons of another race, I know their ships should be protected with some special shield defence so that space rocks don't bust their way in whilst they are going light speed, but theres always the possibility they werent expecting us, to be the way we are and have weapons we do, even though our weapons may be minor to them, they may still have a positive impact for us.
Europe defended Native Americans to an extent.
How did they. Talking about French helping Americans against English? That's still not native Americans. Native Americans were Indians, people living in Brazil before Spanish, English, Portuguesse colonization.The British protected their rights at some stage.
The British protected their rights at some stage.
How did they. Talking about French helping Americans against English? That's still not native Americans. Native Americans were Indians, people living in Brazil before Spanish, English, Portuguesse colonization.Native Americans are Russians. ;)
Native Americans are Russians. ;)Russia didn't exist when people crossed Beringia.
Europe defended Native Americans to an extent.Europeans did nothing for Native Americans other than uproot them from their land and destroy their way of life.
So they could later manipulate and take advantage of them, right?Maybe. :redface:
Native Americans are Russians. ;)
:neutral:Yes.
You mean people that lived in what's Russia today? As Siberian people had connection to Indians (known as Native Americans)
Why would aliens be connected to a religious story ?Dunno lets ask the Egyptians how they build their Pyramides.
Dunno lets ask the Egyptians how they build their Pyramides.
Yes.The Egyptians built their pyramid by rolling their heavy blocks along rounded off logs whilst being forces to move by a bunch of people pulling down on another 2 behind it.. The whole 'the aliens built the pyramids' thing is just bullcrap, the Egyptians drew how they did on the walls inside.
Native Americans origins is in today's Russia, their ancisters crossed the Berings strait from Siberia.Dunno lets ask the Egyptians how they build their Pyramides.
If we are the ONLY alive beings in entire UNIVERSE, than how do you explain UFO's?Oh god...
Maybe we all have lived repeated life's on different solar systems, we just don't know it.I strongly disagree. I believe death is unnatural, and if it is, there must be a God, and God wouldn't make us if our existence's has no point or reason. There must be an afterlife other than going in to other planets as new people.
In the vast expanses of the universe the chances are that there is most definitely more life out there. (Statistically, we are proof of life in the universe and if the universe is inifinetely large, chances are there will be more life).As time goes by it's just getting harder, the universe is expanding which means galaxys are getting further and further apart.
The problem is that is extremely unlikely we can detect it. We cannot travel at anywhere near speed of light and it may take over a thousand years to get any probe near these planets. Our reach into space is extremely limited.
But who knows, maybe one day we will get another Einstein who can find how to apply quantum theory for time travel.
Russia didn't exist when people crossed Beringia.America certainly did not exist that time...
America certainly did not exist that time...The continents that would later be referred to as the Americas did.
The continents that would later be referred to as the Americas did.Are you related to native americans? Just your profile pic and all. :D
Are you related to native americans? Just your profile pic and all. :D
The continents that would later be referred to as the Americas did.The area that would later be referred to as Russia did too.
They were long ago slaughtered by the British and later on by the American settlers so I doubt.There are still descendants of Native Americans in America....
There are still descendants of Native Americans in America....You mean descendants of Russians :D
Contemporary Americans are a mix of Native Americans and Europeans.That is one of the viable theories. DNA research has shown we were once near extinction, down to a couple of thousand or even couple of hundred individuals living near the Middle East.
Native Americans are the descendants of Russians who crossed the Bering.
Europeans have plenty of Russian blood among them too.
So basically, you "Americans" are mostly Russians. :D
That aside, didn't all humans originate from Africa?
You mean descendants of Russians :D
Umm, if we care about who descended from who, shouldnt we also care about the fact that we descended from(and technically still are) monkeys? Our ancestors came out of the glorious ass of the monkeys and evolved into mankind man...
There's just no proof for either of theories, call that a mystery
There's no proof for the theory of evolution? :lol:
Contemporary Americans are a mix of Native Americans and Europeans.Correct to an extent.
Native Americans are the descendants of Russians who crossed the Bering.Native Americans are descendants of Asians.
So basically, you "Americans" are mostly Russians. :D
Are you related to native americans? Just your profile pic and all. :DYes.
Why man, why?Because im fucking trollbait for gandalf
The area that would later be referred to as Russia did too.It would be more appropriate to refer to the area as Asia.
That aside, didn't all humans originate from Africa?Yes, you're all blacks.
Umm, if we care about who descended from who, shouldnt we also care about the fact that we descended from(and technically still are) monkeys? Our ancestors came out of the glorious ass of the monkeys and evolved into mankind man...We did not descend from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes but evolved divergently from them.
We did not descend from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes but evolved divergently from them.
A common misconception, we still ARE primates...Never said we weren't.
The last homo evolution was WAY before the dinosaur periodThe dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago, so no.
Never said we weren't.The homo family of humans were in existence long before 65 million years(yes we did find lifesigns of homo sapiens dated long before that)
The dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago, so no.
The homo family of humans were in existence long before 65 million years(yes we did find lifesigns of homo sapiens dated long before that)Could you please give me scientific links to that.
The homo family of humans were in existence long before 65 million years(yes we did find lifesigns of homo sapiens dated long before that)Homo Sapiens? Damn.
Correct to an extent.It seems you have something against Russians that you are so much in denial about it.
Native Americans are descendants of Asians.
Yes.
Because im f**king trollbait for gandalf
It would be more appropriate to refer to the area as Asia.
Yes, you're all blacks.
We did not descend from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes but evolved divergently from them.
If you wanna think we come from monkeys go ahead. That is a theory of Darwin if not correct but I choose not to follow it. I am not saying that God created human for sure, I like to see things spherically but I strongly object Darwin's theory about where we come and how we developed in the ages. There's just no proof for either of theories, call that a mysteryYou can choose not to spot an elephant in the room.
I do not believe in any evolution theory of humans.. I to be honest do not believe I am alive, that is why I believe in God.You don't believe your alive? :trust:
I read some where that death is proven to be unnatural, so yeah.
You don't believe your alive? :trust:By that I meant I do not believe in the world. It's sort of unreal to me
Personally, I believe evolution is what brought us here not any 'god storys' popped up by a psycho in the desert heat, how can religious people be so ignorant and ignore the work scientists are doing because they want to believe in their book of turd, sorry if I offended anyone. :redface:Your proof?
You don't believe your alive? :trust:
Personally, I believe evolution is what brought us here not any 'god storys' popped up by a psycho in the desert heat, how can religious people be so ignorant and ignore the work scientists are doing because they want to believe in their book of turd, sorry if I offended anyone. :redface:
Exterminator, you don't believe in God? you think there is no one who created you?
You got created by Magic or something? are you mad?
'Also sabreman, we ARE monkeys.'
If you think you are, then you are really a monkey.
I'm not a damn money.
God gave us a mind to think and understand, not just for being a monkey.
Please don't mind what i said, I just want to say that, Stop comparing monkeys with Humans, they don't have what we have.
We have mind and the main thing "EDUCATION" that they don't have.
Similarity does not mean evolution.Closer to the truth then a bunch of made up fairy tales in a book.
you think there is no one who created you?
Stop comparing monkeys with Humans, they don't have what we have.
We have mind and the main thing "EDUCATION" that they don't have.
And your mom and dad became from magic?I guess the story of their creation is the same... :roll:
Oh come on use some mind lol.
And your mom and dad became from magic?
Oh come on use some mind lol.
My Dad put his penis into my mums vagina, went in and out a few times, he came, 9 months later I arrived.
Oh come on use some mind lol.
Closer to the truth then a bunch of made up fairy tales in a book.
Your proof?Okay, now let's talk science then.
How can some apes / gorillas manage to evolve while others fail to do so? The world, how it is, sounds extremely perfectly planned and obviously a human is unable to do that. Heck, how can a human form from evolution? How can human form anyway? Human with a hand, leg and perfect structure and stuff like that, it's unreal and cannot be formed by a chance.
At least that is what I believe.
Okay, now let's talk science then.
Exterminator, you don't believe in God? you think there is no one who created you?Magic and god - why do you consider these things so far apart? They're essentially the same concept.
You got created by Magic or something? are you mad?
Oh come on use some mind lol.Oh please, do lead the way. I will when you begin to at least attempt to think for yourself.
And your mom and dad became from magic?It's funny, because whenever someone mentions creationism, I usually picture an omnipotent being throwing some magic dust together. Once you realize how insignificant you are is when you can begin to realize that we are all alive on this rock by coincidence.
Oh come on use some mind lol.
It's funny, because whenever someone mentions creationism, I usually picture an omnipotent being throwing some magic dust together. Once you realize how insignificant you are is when you can begin to realize that we are all alive on this rock by coincidence.I wouldn't say it's a coincidence that stronger animals survive and give offsprings a lot more then the weaker ones.
It's funny, because whenever someone mentions creationism, I usually picture an omnipotent being throwing some magic dust together. Once you realize how insignificant you are is when you can begin to realize that we are all alive on this rock by coincidence.Co-incidence? Or I didn't understand it correctly?
How can some apes / gorillas manage to evolve while others fail to do so? The world, how it is, sounds extremely perfectly planned and obviously a human is unable to do that. Heck, how can a human form from evolution? How can human form anyway? Human with a hand, and stuff like that, it's unreal and cannot be formed by a chance.The Apes which humans evolved from were already evolving at a much faster rate to nearly all other creatures on the planet, we are still evolving, animals are still evolving, Earth is still very young compared to most planets in the solar system which means we and animals are still at a very young age of evolution, it's proven that the human race is still evolving, for example we are getting shorter and skinnier as time goes by due to our reliance on machinery.
At least that is what I believe.
Didn't they find life on mars? It has water but no magnetic field.Religious people think the opposite because their to busy believing a load of crap someone fed them through a book, Mars has ice but wether theres life inside it is unknown, unless Mars warms up and lets the ice melt, we wont know until humans step foot on Mars.
Life's also possible on mercury and venus, why not some of the moons of jupiter? Europa for example. It has water there.
As you can see, life is very possible in 'extreme conditions'
So why shouldn't there be life outside our solar system? It would be silly to think the opposite.
I wouldn't say it's a coincidence that stronger animals survive and give offsprings a lot more then the weaker ones.And they're all on a planet that orbits around its Sun in the habitable zone.
Your proof?
How can some apes / gorillas manage to evolve while others fail to do so?
And your mom and dad became from magic?
Oh come on use some mind lol.
Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.
Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.
Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.Time to start a religion called Scienceism. :razz:
Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.
Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.No, not at all. Religion is mostly about the moral code and how you should live your life. Science just explains how the world works not if it is good or bad.
I think its time for me to step in with my almight powers of psychology.True fact actually, thats why everytime humans see something strange such as a grey balloon in the sky and can't see it clearly they instantly think 'OMG, UFO!'
Your mind, as a primate, CONTINUOUSLY tries to explain its surroundings to better adjust to them. That is why theories for stuff like ghosts pop up(This is also called arguement from ignorance(no its not offensive, name really needs to be changed tho. Google it up) which states that when you are unable to come up with a reasonable explaination, you are more likely to accept wilder theories from existing surroundings such as ghosts, creator e.t.c).
that is why theories such as religion pop up, and will continue to pop up, you cant change it. If you actualy study basic psychology you will learn this stuff, and also realise how much you hate your own brain after learning about it and realising your totally retarded.
No, not at all. Religion is mostly about the moral code and how you should live your life. Science just explains how the world works not if it is good or bad.
And they're all on a planet that orbits around its Sun in the habitable zone.But if you consider that the only people able to measure and comprehend these variables would have to be both evolved to an advanced level and also within the sun's habitable zone, it becomes less of a coincidence. At least, not the kind of coincidence that creationists are talking about.
Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.Not really, since atheists do not pretend to know the origin of the universe. Generally the most clearly rejected ideas of a deity are those that stem from organised religion.
in the future it is likely that people may look back at us and laugh how stupid we were for believing many theories that in the future are disproven.And that will be absolutely fine, as long as those in the future do not continue to believe those theories that have been disproven. Refusal to accept new ideas (and in turn reject old ones) is part of the reason that religion still plagues our society today.
God lives in another planet? God has omnipresence. That is what I believe.Most people here know the concept of religion, regardless if its Islam, Christianity or other religions.
:ps: I'll make a post explaining Islam in a matter of time.
Ok, lets put an end to this religiouse stuff.If the Ancient Greeks saw these 'chariots of fire' like UFO's they would have painted them that way, instead they painted them in after something that existed on the ground and pulled horses, hence they used their imaginations for the 'god' flying round story..
Gods (in ancient times) = EXTRATERESTRIALS!
In greek mithology gods have chariots of fire. That must be the proof of some kind of spacecraft that makes fire while taking off.
In indian mithology one god had some sort of miniature sciptar like thing that shoots BEAMS!
In christianity we got angels who have WINGS on theyre backs. Wings are positioned on a such way, and they have such small size that those wings are incapable of lifting a human into the sky. So why they had wings? Whell, those aint wings, those are some sorts of jetpacs. Think bout it. We have jetpacks today that can take us up to 2400 meters into the sky.
In India (again) there is a story that my dad told me while we watched some story on history about ancient aliens. He told me of a story in some hoyl Hinduism book where is described A FREAKIN NUCLEAR WAR!
Also, in christianity (again) angels had the power to walk trough walls. Hmmm, that looks like hologram to me. DO NOT get me WRONG. I BEALIVE IN GOD, but all i am saying is that there is a posseability that GOD is just some supreme alien comander. Think bout that.
If the Ancient Greeks saw these 'chariots of fire' like UFO's they would have painted them that way, instead they painted them in after something that existed on the ground and pulled horses, hence they used their imaginations for the 'god' flying round story..You seem not to understand. IN theyre minds, they figured it as "chariots". Also, HOW ARE YOU going to explain to a regular low minded human what you saw? In those times ORDINEARY people were preatty low minded and stupid, so that was the ONLY way you could explain it easly to them.
You seem not to understand. IN theyre minds, they figured it as "chariots". Also, HOW ARE YOU going to explain to a regular low minded human what you saw? In those times ORDINEARY people were preatty low minded and stupid, so that was the ONLY way you could explain it easly to them.While there is a possibility, as people will describe things in a way that is known to them, at the same time you would think the story to have some accurate information.
Same is in christianity. The one who said that god made universe in 7 days actually knew that the process was going on for billions of years, but he needed to tell it to ordineary people in a simple way. (Now, you gonna ask how did he know how bout that, answer is that GOD told him that. God or extraterestrials).
I'm quite sure there is life outside our system. Our system is only a small fraction of our galaxy. There are definatly other planets that are suitable for life, adapted to their planet. Perhaps we could not live there but other lifeforms could because they adapted to their planet like we adapted to ours.
What I wonder though is wether the technology of other species (if they should excist) stands further than us and would actually reach us first or not. Sounds all very unrealistic but I do believe one day, this may be possible in some way.
I'll be happy for myself to reach the moon once in my life though. :razz:
And the Genesis story is too far away from the development of the Universe as we know it to be seen as a simplified account of reality.
Exceatly. I mean, imagine if you lived in 2k B.C. and someone came to you and said to you detailed how did the universe came to existance. You would think that that guy is crasy. Explenation of creation of universe is just a simplified theory.The funny thing is that several civilizations in 2000BC had a more accurate knowledge of our solar system and the universe as people indoctrinated by the Bible or Quoran....
I am not shure where i read this, but i bealive it was something like this: IF our galaxy was the size of an ATOM, universe would be the size of EARTH (or Sun, IDK, i forgot :) )
Exceatly. I mean, imagine if you lived in 2k B.C. and someone came to you and said to you detailed how did the universe came to existance. You would think that that guy is crasy. Explenation of creation of universe is just a simplified theory.
Thats wrong actually, the universe is MUCH bigger than that. Plus due to inflation you will never be able to map it.
Oh and theres also infinite inflation, which says there are INFINITE universes :)
Thats wrong actually, the universe is MUCH bigger than that. Plus due to inflation you will never be able to map it.
Oh and theres also infinite inflation, which says there are INFINITE universes :)
One thing out of our scientific capability is the means to prove or disprove the existence of multiple universes, as we cannot even get outside the observable range of our own.
Please explain exactly how a hypothetical particle that has not even been observed to exist yet, proves the existence of other universes.
Also how it has been proven that we know what exists beyond the universe's event horizon, the boundary of the observable universe from Earth.
Also multiverses were proven back in 1970 by higgs(the same person who discovered the higgs boson and pretty much changed our understanding of mass)What?
You were saying?
Also multiverses were proven back in 1970 by higgs(the same person who discovered the higgs boson and pretty much changed our understanding of mass)
You were saying?
That is in no way an answer to the question, so I will reiterate it again. I did not ask you who proved it or if it has been proven, I am asking you how it was done.
Please explain exactly how a hypothetical particle that has not even been observed to exist yet, proves the existence of other universes.
Also how it has been proven that we know what exists beyond the universe's event horizon, the boundary of the observable universe from Earth.
Also multiverses were proven back in 1970 by higgs(the same person who discovered the higgs boson and pretty much changed our understanding of mass)Lets cut it.
You were saying?
Lets cut it.
If there is only one infinite universe, than how did it came to existance? I say that big bang theory is wrong. The reality of how universe came to existance is that 2 other universes colided. There are also theories taht every universe is like a soap bubble. There is probeably an infinite amount of them, and when some of them colide, a new universe comes to life. Now, in what space are those universes in, and how THEY came to existance i bealive NOONE can explain. It is just a big mistery that CANNOT be solved.
Big bang-energy dischargeAnd where did that energy come from ?
The entire cosmos is raw energy, and it discharges often. Each time energy discharges it materialises into matter and makes up a universe.
And where did that energy come from ?
Hmm, either you are trolling me or are failing your english class.
I said the SAME PERSON who discovered higgs boson also discovered multiverses, HOW THE f**k DOES THAT SAY THAT THEY ARE RELATED?
Also for the multiverse, can you please google stuff before just coming here posting shit?Observable universe is simply the universal area from which we ever recieved light from. Theres HUNDREDS of things outside it we noticed, most popular being inflation(And please do tell me how everything is magically speeding up and ripping eachother to pieces if something isnt making it)
And where did that energy come from ?The big bang? Gasses kept heating more and more until B00M.. :D
energy is energy, it is what it is.Nothing can come from nothing. If there is energy, how did this energy come in to existence ?
Time is the one with a beginning(and an end), energy exists before and after it.
The big bang? Gasses kept heating more and more until B00M.. :DWhere did these gasses come from ?
Hmm, either you are trolling me or are failing your english class.Because it's a completely irrelevant point, as the higgs-boson hasn't even been discovered as you say.
I said the SAME PERSON who discovered higgs boson also discovered multiverses, HOW THE f**k DOES THAT SAY THAT THEY ARE RELATED?
Nothing can come from nothing. If there is energy, how did this energy come in to existence ?
Where did these gasses come from ?We don't know yet. That's all.
energy is energy, it is what it is.
Time is the one with a beginning(and an end), energy exists before and after it.
But HOW, HOW did it came to existace??? The question is HOW. Now THAT question CANNOT be answered.
Comon, waiting for an answer :D
Cant find it? It is because it CANT be answered. It just cant.
And you'll get your answer, in time. Science cannot explain it yet, but eventually it will be able to.
Where did these gasses come from ?MAGNETS!
Science already gave the answer, E = MC(squared).BUT, tell me, WHERE DA FUCK did that energy come from? It MUST have came from something. Nothing can appear from mid air! Screw all that physics, chemistry, nuclear fisics, astro fisics etc...
Energy is independant of time, and since it was already in existance when time began, it existed "forever". Energy doesnt come from nothing, it is everything. We live in the observable universe, outside the observable universe is vast amounts of sheer energy(estimated) and possibly other universes(estimated aswell).
And you'll get your answer, in time. Science cannot explain it yet, but eventually it will be able to.
BUT, tell me, WHERE DA f**k did that energy come from? It MUST have came from something. Nothing can appear from mid air! Screw all that physics, chemistry, nuclear fisics, astro fisics etc...
When is the beggining of time, from what did time begin, how did mater came to existance from the beggining of time, what forces were involved in it, where did those forces come from?
Where did these gasses come from ?Sauron did it. :lol:
Also @freedom, no. Matter and antimatter MUST be summoned in a equal equilibrium, its just that theres lots of antimatter in one part of the universe and loads of matter in the other. Whenever antimatter is summoned, matter is summoned aswell.Where did you take this? Why does the amount of matter need to equal the amount of anti-matter?
Matter of fact it is believed that when the big bang happened, the universe tried to summon antimatter to contain the explosion, but matter came with antimatter, and since 75 percent of the antimatter was destroyed combatting big bang...
Energy doesnt come from anything, energy is not a "thing", the laws says noTHING can come from nothing, energy is raw energy, its not a thing.
Time(for this universe) begins with the big bang, the beginning of time is when a small particle was liek, hey you know wat?lets give a call to inflation and explode in a supergiant universe.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg/350px-CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg)
Also @freedom, no. Matter and antimatter MUST be summoned in a equal equilibrium, its just that theres lots of antimatter in one part of the universe and loads of matter in the other. Whenever antimatter is summoned, matter is summoned aswell.
Matter of fact it is believed that when the big bang happened, the universe tried to summon antimatter to contain the explosion, but matter came with antimatter, and since 75 percent of the antimatter was destroyed combatting big bang...
No, but what i am asking is HOW DA f**k DID MATER GET HERE?! On a what way?big bang.
big bang.Ok, and big bang (according to you) is because of the inflation of gasses. My question now is, where did those gasses come froom?
Ok, and big bang (according to you) is because of the inflation of gasses. My question now is, where did those gasses come froom?I didn't say that.
Also, WHAT is the beginning of time?
No, but what i am asking is HOW DA f**k DID MATER GET HERE?! On a what way?
I find it flawed to decide what lies outside of the universe by using conventional physics and theories. How do you even know that the laws of physics do not work or are different altogether "outside" of our universe?
I had never heard about Multiverse so I believe in a single Universe. As you say, exterminator, the cause of inflation of the universe is because of the existence of other universes. The scientists still haven't seen or proved the existence of other Universes (or Multiverse). To actually prove it, the scientists will first need to create an object that will be able to cover the existing Universe which is impossible for now, it would take more than hundred thousand years to do that, they don't even have enough resources to start covering the universe. Plus, it hasn't been proven that universe is finite nor has it been proven that universe is infinite. To actually start searching for other universes, i think the scientists will have to discover whether the universe is finite or infinite. Until they find a way to reach parts of the universe beyond limitations of light, they won't discover if it's finite or infinite. So until they at least cover the entire existing universe, we can't say there is another universe.
Let me say it in a simpler way. You are on a stage, and your a actor. You are playing the universe.Whenever you need a prop, one is brought in.Because the prop is available in that case. The question here is, where are those matters summoned from?
The universe does just that, whenever i needs more particles, it summons matter and antimatter.
Actually, they dont.There must be at least a single source that says that the other universes might have higher of what you call dark energy resulting in the formation of altered cosmic bodies. Do you have any such source?
You see, it all depends on several factors, If multiverses really do exist then they obiviously didnt start off with the same conditions as us. Maybe the power of their bang was higher, maybe their amount of dark energy is higher(Ours is 10 to the power of -100 which is a REALLY small number). If their dark energy is different that will result in a different formation of the cosmic bodies, thus affecting gravity electromagnetivity and everything else.
What you should try to explain is why you find it more believable that things which are according to modern science impossible happened, yet you refuse to accept a theory that nobody has been able to disprove in more than 100 years.Hi.
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The universe does just that, whenever i needs more particles, it summons matter and antimatter.It just spawns matter and antimatter by itself?
i also never said that inflation is caused by other universes, it is a internal substance of cosmological explosions.
Also, how can you explain eternal inflation?our universe is being pushed, so unless theres another one how is that happening? Many of our theories confirm multiverses.
Actually if you trace my posts, i never said that they DO exist, i also never said that inflation is caused by other universes, it is a internal substance of cosmological explosions. But most of our science is theoretical, and currently all theories suggest(and many NEED) multiverses. Matter of fact 99 percent of what you studied in school is theoretical. Newton's laws of motion, motion and everything else is based on sheer observance and it mostly theoretical. So yeah, if there arent multiverses then science needs to find a new explaination for the THOUSANDS of theories that need it.And how can you prove that most of our laws and theories are theoretical? I don't even think they just make theories or calculations without doing any experiments or gaining some experience.
sperm (that is the first living creature on Earth according to Science, no?)No.
Because the prop is available in that case. The question here is, where are those matters summoned from?
There must be at least a single source that says that the other universes might have higher of what you call dark energy resulting in the formation of altered cosmic bodies. Do you have any such source?
Green living slime*
Nothing like that even exists -.-Well, what ever. It was written in the book (History), doesn't really matter anyway.
The first creatures, according to our latest research were either bacterial or algal in nature.
Oh, a science vs religion topic, how cute.If you noticed, it was to disprove Darwin's theory and your Science theories and researches ... It does contain religious contain to disprove it, though.
For your first question, im sorry but that we dont really know. Quantum science is actually one of the biggest mysteries, and to date the only thing that explains it is the string theory(but we cant rely on string theory as it has absolute zero proof).Exactly what I meant. The theories aren't reliable. Therefor we simply can't even rely on the theories you mentioned. As long as it has not been proved that where does the Universe get the aforementioned matter from, I just won't believe it.
As for your second one, look up on google multiverse theory, you will find a lot of instances of it, most probably all of them have this mentioned in it.I can't reply on these, I have a 64kb/s connection so can't check multiple websites. As soon as I get a proper internet, I'll. Thanks! :)
Also to your next post...Dude give me a break im not a almighty god of harvard, pls start googling -.- i will refer you to a video of mit's video by walter lewin mentioning that newton's laws cant be proven(i have no idea what part of the video he says that in and its a 30 min lecture i watched several weeks ago, so dont ask me that and watch it yourself. You wont regret it)
4) Us, other life, and probabilityUh, it didn't occur by chance, everything just evolved.
Another thing I often think about, ourselves. Look at yourself, look at the world we are in (Earth and humanity). It all looks, so great, so good, almost too good for such to occur by chance...
If life is possible in other planets, wouldn't it be so that we would've found it by now? According to Science, we formed by a very long process of evolution in which 'sperm' evolved in to bigger creatures. Of course climate had an impact, and we started to have features to support the climate. Why can't the same be so in other planets? Why can't other planets have life by now? We are easily visible and not really the 'hiding' type. It is probable that the aliens would be the same.Sperm can't evolve into a human itself. It needs an egg to fertilize. I just won't go deep into this matter since you haven't studied about this and are under-aged.
Exactly what I meant. The theories aren't reliable. Therefor we simply can't even rely on the theories you mentioned. As long as it has not been proved that where does the Universe get the aforementioned matter from, I just won't believe it.
I can't reply on these, I have a 64kb/s connection so can't check multiple websites. As soon as I get a proper internet, I'll. Thanks! :)
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Uh, it didn't occur by chance, everything just evolved. Sperm can't evolve into a human itself. It needs an egg to fertilize. I just won't go deep into this matter since you haven't studied about this and are under-aged.
Also, WHAT is the beginning of time?Assuming the Big Bang theory is true, there is no beginning of time. The singularity that would soon cause the big bang was so dense that it distorted time, similar to how black holes do.
Assuming the Big Bang theory is true, there is no beginning of time. The singularity that would soon cause the big bang was so dense that it distorted time, similar to how black holes do.
Of course, we could all be wrong and people a thousand years later will be loling at us.They most probably will.
. So when you say "one in a million", you are also saying once in a month :)So periods?
Umm..No...Time begins with the big bang. The nanosecond the big bang took place is the beginning of time, in our universe. Space and time were created together, in a big fabric.Actually time is something that we invented.
They most probably will.
Actually time is something that we invented.
Umm..No...Time begins with the big bang. The nanosecond the big bang took place is the beginning of time, in our universe. Space and time were created together, in a big fabric.
They most probably will.
Actually time is something that we invented.+1 With Gandalf, Life is present from a Long long time.
Actually time is something that we invented.Do you mean time as in what we call time? :D
Time was not invented, as time is merely a perception of the progression of events and life itself. All we have done is invent ways of which to measure time: yesterday, last year, 5 minutes ago.
While having respect for everyone's personal interpretations of ''time'', the word or its meaning, I would still like to say that the phenomenon refered to as ''time'' is something that occurs to anyone and anywhere within the areas known to mankind. ''Time'' is uninvented reality, whichever name is being cast upon it.The key is 'to mankind' This means that we, based on our perception, have invented something that describes events related to our perception of a recurring mechanism. This because we do not have the capacity to understand something is infinite without a circular pattern.
The key is 'to mankind' This means that we, based on our perception, have invented something that describes events related to our perception of a recurring mechanism. This because we do not have the capacity to understand something is infinite without a circular pattern.
Random comment: Theres a scientific theory that suggests if you can't see something, it's not physicly there, kind of like the GTA SA physics. :DWhile there are many things that are not physically there but still exist(like dark energy), not all are. Like infrared light and stuff, you cant see em with the naked eye.
While there are many things that are not physically there but still exist(like dark energy), not all are. Like infrared light and stuff, you cant see em with the naked eye.You don't get what I mean, say your in the UK, America is not physicly there, it would only be there if you flew there..
Random comment: Theres a scientific theory that suggests if you can't see something, it's not physicly there, kind of like the GTA SA physics. :Dwhatever is in motion much arrive at the half way point before the destination.
whatever is in motion much arrive at the half way point before the destination.That it similar to the thory you can never hit the door of your room.
whatever is in motion much arrive at the half way point before the destination.
What? Just because you're not in America doesn't mean it doesn't exist physically. :trust:If you can't see something with your own eyes, it's not physicly there.. :roll:
If you can't see something with your own eyes, it's not physicly there.. :roll:
Random comment: Theres a scientific theory that suggests if you can't see something, it's not physicly there, kind of like the GTA SA physics. :D
But my plane sometimes crashes into invisible trees / barriers then blows up. Does that mean I am being killed by things that aren't there?IRL? :wow:
IRL? :wow:
Lol, thats just IG lagg.. IRL, things are always there by the time you see them.
That it similar to the thory you can never hit the door of your room.You would have to complete an infinite amount of tasks in order to accomplish hitting the door, therefore hitting the door is incomprehensible and impossible.
In order to get there you need to cover half distance, then again half distance etc until infinite.
As a result it is impossible to reach and hit the door. Try it. :lol:
That it similar to the thory you can never hit the door of your room.
In order to get there you need to cover half distance, then again half distance etc until infinite.
As a result it is impossible to reach and hit the door. Try it. :lol:
That it similar to the thory you can never hit the door of your room.Tried this in college years ago lol, the tutor in mechanics was trying to do it. :lol:
In order to get there you need to cover half distance, then again half distance etc until infinite.
As a result it is impossible to reach and hit the door. Try it. :lol:
Tried this in college years ago lol, the tutor in mechanics was trying to do it. :lol:
He's 17 or 18.
Either i dont understand the UK education system, or hes a student with a IQ of 180 who finished college at that age 0.0UK college is ages 16-18.
16-18 is college in India as well. But we can also choose to continue in school (known as senior secondary school) and the courses differ in colleges and senior secondary schools. Usually the subjects in colleges are tougher.In the UK the reverse is true, with continuing on in school being the more academically difficult option.
You would have to complete an infinite amount of tasks in order to accomplish hitting the door, therefore hitting the door is incomprehensible and impossible.My bruised cheekbone says otherwise. :devroll:
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First of all, as a biologist, I have to say, these kinds of speculations are all BS.Exactly. For all we know, some planets could have biospheres even farther than what we currently know as the RNA-World Hypothesis, or ammonia-based life forms.
The space is TOO big to expect things to be what we expect them to be.
We cannot know if aliens live based on O2 and H2O as humans do.
The conjecture that all lifeforms need O2 and H2O applies only to the Earth..
We do not know how it is like on other planets.