Life out of our Solar system? Wait, what?

[Squeak]

I wouldn't say it's a coincidence that stronger animals survive and give offsprings a lot more then the weaker ones.

And they're all on a planet that orbits around its Sun in the habitable zone.

[Alsatian]

Your proof?
How can some apes / gorillas manage to evolve while others fail to do so?

Kind of ironic you should ask for proof followed by a question pertaining to a subject for which there is substantial evidence: natural selection. Species show natural variation, for which the characteristics best suited to their environment are inherited by their offspring. The ones who do not gradually die off.

And your mom and dad became from magic?
Oh come on use some mind lol.

Sexual reproduction, not 'magic'.

[Freedom]

And where there are topics of science, there're also religious arguments..

[JDC]

Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.

Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.

[Alsatian]

Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.

Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.

A lab experiment gone wrong. 

[Mikal]

Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.

Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.

Time to start a religion called Scienceism. :razz:

[Jubin]

Science and Religion pursue a similar goal in opposite manners.

No, not at all. Religion is mostly about the moral code and how you should live your life. Science just explains how the world works not if it is good or bad.

[Exterminator]

I think its time for me to step in with my almight powers of psychology.

Your mind, as a primate, CONTINUOUSLY tries to explain its surroundings to better adjust to them. That is why theories for stuff like ghosts pop up(This is also called arguement from ignorance(no its not offensive, name really needs to be changed tho. Google it up) which states that when you are unable to come up with a reasonable explaination, you are more likely to accept wilder theories from existing surroundings such as ghosts, creator e.t.c).
that is why theories such as religion pop up, and will continue to pop up, you cant change it. If you actualy study basic psychology you will learn this stuff, and also realise how much you hate your own brain after learning about it and realising your totally retarded.

[Mikal]

I think its time for me to step in with my almight powers of psychology.

Your mind, as a primate, CONTINUOUSLY tries to explain its surroundings to better adjust to them. That is why theories for stuff like ghosts pop up(This is also called arguement from ignorance(no its not offensive, name really needs to be changed tho. Google it up) which states that when you are unable to come up with a reasonable explaination, you are more likely to accept wilder theories from existing surroundings such as ghosts, creator e.t.c).
that is why theories such as religion pop up, and will continue to pop up, you cant change it. If you actualy study basic psychology you will learn this stuff, and also realise how much you hate your own brain after learning about it and realising your totally retarded.

True fact actually, thats why everytime humans see something strange such as a grey balloon in the sky and can't see it clearly they instantly think 'OMG, UFO!'

[Leon.]

I find it hilarious that religious zealots will speak against the theory of evolution due to lack of proof, and yet they willingly accept a god whose existence they justify with unfalsifiable hypotheses. May I direct some of you folks to Russell's teapot analogy?

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

[JDC]

No, not at all. Religion is mostly about the moral code and how you should live your life. Science just explains how the world works not if it is good or bad.

It was, until some priest decided to write the story of how his god created the world. Almost every religion followed suit.

[Exterminator]

guys...its no use.

Attacking religion uselessly will get you nowhere, you would act EXACTLY the same if you were raised up in kalvin and sabre's surroundings(i.e pakistan, many people believe in islam there).
You cant just throw them out, as confirmation bias steps in, preventing anything that goes against its own. So no, they are not retarded(well technically we are all retarded like hell, did you know that you actually take barely 0.00000000000000000000001 percent of all the decisions you think you make?).
Their mind and your mind think of different theories, you cant change that unless the knowledge is properly overwritten by authority. i.e Unless someone like pope or their parents or anyone else they have good respect for introduces them to the concept

Short story: Attacking them here like this makes it worse.

[Pandalink]

And they're all on a planet that orbits around its Sun in the habitable zone.

But if you consider that the only people able to measure and comprehend these variables would have to be both evolved to an advanced level and also within the sun's habitable zone, it becomes less of a coincidence. At least, not the kind of coincidence that creationists are talking about.
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Those who are involved in the "Religion vs Atheism" war thing would find themselves trolled if it turned out that there existed a Supreme Being which created the universe through what we know as science.

Not really, since atheists do not pretend to know the origin of the universe. Generally the most clearly rejected ideas of a deity are those that stem from organised religion.
Also, pretty much all atheists are agnostic. Contrary to that, most theists are gnostic.

Here is a helpful chart:


As Leon said, most atheists follow the logic of Russell's teapot analogy.


@exterminator
I do indeed find it fascinating that we as a race have come up with such a concept as religion. Personally, I believe that it stems from the failure to accept that not everything can be explained, yet. Many are weak and almost cannot live without some kind of crutch beneath them that can answer all questions and give them some kind of perceived support in life.

It used to be thought that lightning was the wrath of god. Indeed, disease was also blamed on the supernatural. We have since found both of these things to have very specific and scientifically verifiable causes. It is only a matter of time until many more questions are answered. We'll never answer them all, but we'll keep trying anyway - and that's why the human race has done so well. Because we thirst for knowledge, and will always look for answers.
Those that are religious have given up looking for correct answers and instead settle for lies. They have given up that which is important for our race, and they hold us back with promises of easy answers - all of which are nothing but puerile fabrications created by scared men who were unwilling to continue the search for answers that has lead our race to where it is now. It is quite honestly my hope that religion is bred out of the developed world within a single figure of generations, however I feel that I may be overestimating the strength of will of the common person. Let us hope not, or else we'll be held back forever on our search for answers in the future.

[Exterminator]

@panda
Actually your partially wrong, while arguement from ignorance breeds such ideas, they then stick to it. It is impossible to weed out arguement from ignorance without turning your mind into a zombie, so no even if religion goes away other ideas will form and stay. Matter of fact scientists estimate that only about 5 percent of known physics is actually true, so in the future it is likely that people may look back at us and laugh how stupid we were for believing many theories that in the future are disproven.

[Mikal]

Religion was an excuse for people to make sense of their surroundings, such as said before, if humans don't understand something they will either make up a false story or accuse it of being something completely unreasonable such as gods or UFOs, depending on the story ofc. :razz: