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Title: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Reece on April 06, 2012, 10:48:24 pm
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A Government ban on tobacco advertising comes into effect from Friday (April 6), in an effort to cut down smoking rates in parts of the UK, particularly amongst the young.

All large shops and supermarkets in England must now cover tobacco products from public view, with smaller outlets being given three more years to adapt to the new legislation.

The Department of Health said the move was in response to evidence that cigarette displays in shops can encourage young people to take up the habit.

Over 300,000 children under 16 smoke each year and five per cent of children aged 11 to 15 are regular smokers, according to its figures. In addition, 39 per cent of smokers say they began before the age of 16.

Health Minister Anne Milton said: "We cannot ignore the fact that young people are recruited into smoking by colourful, eye-catching, cigarette displays.

"Most adult smokers started smoking as teenagers and we need to stop this trend.

"Banning displays of cigarettes and tobacco will help young people resist the pressure to start smoking and help the thousands of adults in England who are currently trying to quit."

Any stores found to be breaking the new legislation face a fine of up to 5,000, or even a prison sentence.

Sources:
DailyMail
AFP


I don't think this will stop anything; at all, if anything it just inconviences retailers.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Gandalf on April 06, 2012, 11:15:44 pm
Calculate the amount of taxes smokers earn for the government and you will understand why they do not really want to stop it.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Hevar. on April 06, 2012, 11:19:16 pm
One Question:

When i was at Germany this Christmas holiday i never saw ''Snus'' Is Sweden the only make/sell Snus?

Snus is like Cigarettes but you put inside your mouth and suck it - lol that was little wired but true. ofc Snus is stronger.

I think in English snus called - Snuff xD
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Omar Aly on April 06, 2012, 11:25:02 pm
Didn't they increase prices of cigarettes?
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Jack White on April 06, 2012, 11:47:16 pm
One Question:

When i was at Germany this Christmas holiday i never saw ''Snus'' Is Sweden the only make/sell Snus?

Snus is like Cigarettes but you put inside your mouth and suck it - lol that was little wired but true. ofc Snus is stronger.

I think in English snus called - Snuff xD
Snus is sold in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland (Not sure on Iceland and Denmark). It is maily produced in Sweden, but I think. You dont put snus in your mouth and suck it, you put it under lip and let the nicotine and the taste of snus do its job. Snus is not stronger, thinking off the smoke and the tar which stays in your lungs from smoking.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 07, 2012, 12:31:16 am
Smokers are bad mans bruv! -.-
Not really!
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 07, 2012, 07:42:53 am
Might stop those too nervous to actually purchase for the first time, although this might be exclusive to shy as fuck people.

Good idea, really.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 07, 2012, 02:30:29 pm
Might stop those too nervous to actually purchase for the first time, although this might be exclusive to shy as f**k people.

Good idea, really.

People are actually shy/nervous to buy cigarettes now?

Haha England.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 07, 2012, 03:52:44 pm
People are actually shy/nervous to buy cigarettes now?

Haha England.
Thank god I'm Welsh!
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 07, 2012, 04:13:33 pm
Will not stop anything. Children see their friends and family members smoke and that itself can be enough encouragement. Having said that though multiple friends and members of my family smoke whereas i do not.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Que on April 07, 2012, 06:02:31 pm
Well, England is quite certainly moving towards the exceptional yet ludicrous story of V from Vendetta.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 12:17:01 am
Thank god I'm Welsh!

Ah it'll spread to the rest of the United Kingdom soon enough.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 12:24:38 am
Ah it'll spread to the rest of the United Kingdom soon enough.
I don't smoke, never have.  :lol:
I just said 'Thank god I'm Welsh' because he said 'HaHa English.' :P
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Caltson on April 08, 2012, 12:28:43 am
These days, everything should be hidden.. Like state money should be hidden from politicians.

As for young people, I think they should rather take on the parents, who are responsible for the kid instead of disallowing the person itself by taking away cigarettes out of public sight. This affects also other groups of humans that do not belong to the descibed group from this news item.

In fact, based upon their ways of dealing with things, they should also start by taking away cell phones, games, nutrition, fast-food etc, as all of these things have a certain level of health risks bound to them. It is up to the parents to make sure their child stay in proper lines, if not, take more actions against parents.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: ElMartu on April 08, 2012, 01:25:00 am
As many others said, it doesn't change much, but it certainly won't increase the purchase of the ciggarettes. And that's not bad at all
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 08, 2012, 05:54:37 am
People are actually shy/nervous to buy cigarettes now?
this might be exclusive to shy as f**k people.

My idea was more of a throwaway musing than anything else.
It's still a good idea to do that, many people do not want to have to look at the tobacco display every time they go through the till.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: JDC on April 08, 2012, 01:44:27 pm
If you really want to stop children and minors from smoking, pass a law that would fine/jail/execute parents who allow their children to do so.

One thing that eludes my understanding is why people continue to buy cigarettes with little to no intention of quitting, especially after labels such as "SMOKING KILLS" (in capital letters and all) were put on the cover, particularly in my country.

Enjoy lung cancer and slow suicide.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 08, 2012, 01:54:06 pm
If you really want to stop children and minors from smoking, pass a law that would fine/jail/execute parents who allow their children to do so.

One thing that eludes my understanding is why people continue to buy cigarettes with little to no intention of quitting, especially after labels such as "SMOKING KILLS" (in capital letters and all) were put on the cover, particularly in my country.

Enjoy lung cancer and slow suicide.

enjoy living a normal boring life

casual
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikro on April 08, 2012, 02:02:18 pm
enjoy living a normal boring life

casual

I don't see how smoking makes your live less boring.. Maybe because it forces you to socialize with other people if you forgot your lighter? Once you started smoking you will keep needing it to feel relaxed and/or release your stress. However if you never started smoking, you will never need a cigarette to feel relaxed.

About the main topic. I think it is good, but as said, it will probably not help that much. However it will also not increase the smoking rate. I believe this will show results on a long period of time.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 02:41:43 pm
I know the government makes alot of money of taxes through smokers, but they should still get rid of cigarettes altogether, they are spending just as much money enforcing all these regulations about smokers/shops selling cigarettes that they may aswell just do it, people wouldn't need to smoke to relax if they didn't start in the first place.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: ElMartu on April 08, 2012, 04:24:47 pm
I know the government makes alot of money of taxes through smokers, but they should still get rid of cigarettes altogether, they are spending just as much money enforcing all these regulations about smokers/shops selling cigarettes that they may aswell just do it, people wouldn't need to smoke to relax if they didn't start in the first place.

lolno, smokers bring profit

not healthy but it's true
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 08, 2012, 06:37:17 pm
One thing that eludes my understanding is why people continue to buy cigarettes with little to no intention of quitting, especially after labels such as "SMOKING KILLS" (in capital letters and all) were put on the cover, particularly in my country.
capital letters
ooh shit


I think my body has an immunity to nicotine of some kind (I'm a scientist, ok) as it seems impossible to actually get addicted even given that I smoke whenever I drink a lot (which is 1 or more times a week).
Which is of course, rather fucking nice.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 08, 2012, 07:31:14 pm
Calculate the amount of taxes smokers earn for the government and you will understand why they do not really want to stop it.
+1

Im from East London, near the olympics yet people in my year (year 10) are still getting served tabbaco AND alcohol.
What has the world come to?!
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 07:52:08 pm
ooh shit


I think my body has an immunity to nicotine of some kind (I'm a scientist, ok) as it seems impossible to actually get addicted even given that I smoke whenever I drink a lot (which is 1 or more times a week).
Which is of course, rather f**king nice.
Why smoke in the first place especially if your not addicted...?
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 08, 2012, 08:35:33 pm
ooh shit


I think my body has an immunity to nicotine of some kind (I'm a scientist, ok) as it seems impossible to actually get addicted even given that I smoke whenever I drink a lot (which is 1 or more times a week).
Which is of course, rather f**king nice.

It's only the beginning bro, you'll get really addicted.. :lol:

Why smoke in the first place especially if your not addicted...?

Because it's cool ok.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 08:40:28 pm
+1

Im from East London, near the olympics yet people in my year (year 10) are still getting served tabbaco AND alcohol.
What has the world come to?!

That you can do something about, shop the owners for breaking laws. Usually it's the little local stores that do it assuming they will get away with it. If someone doesn't report it, they will end up being caught when trading standards randomly send a young kid through their door to purchase those items.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 08, 2012, 08:45:56 pm
That you can do something about, shop the owners for breaking laws. Usually it's the little local stores that do it assuming they will get away with it. If someone doesn't report it, they will end up being caught when trading standards randomly send a young kid through their door to purchase those items.

Wow that's totally rididiclous.

Why do you people hate smoking so much? You already have the public smoking bans and everything.. let people smoke.. jeez.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 08:51:25 pm
It's not just England and the rest of the United Kingdom creating similar laws, most other countries are following suit as well, including France.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 08, 2012, 08:52:35 pm
It's not just England and the rest of the United Kingdom creating similar laws, most other countries are following suit as well, including France.

Yes. But why ban smoking if you are selling it? It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Reece on April 08, 2012, 08:59:57 pm
Yes. But why ban smoking if you are selling it? It doesn't make sense.

 :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money:
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 09:01:23 pm
We're all in too deep.

You can't get away with these nowadays, http://captionx.com/page/healthy (http://captionx.com/page/healthy)
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 08, 2012, 09:01:50 pm
That you can do something about, shop the owners for breaking laws. Usually it's the little local stores that do it assuming they will get away with it. If someone doesn't report it, they will end up being caught when trading standards randomly send a young kid through their door to purchase those items.
Agreed but the goverment/council dont give a shit :/
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 08, 2012, 09:02:28 pm
Hmm, I would kill myself. I'm addicted to my cigarettes.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 08, 2012, 09:04:31 pm
:money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money:

So if I make cigarettes then I put up laws to porhibit smoking them in public areas I earn more money?

Ok.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 09:09:11 pm
It's done so that it looks like the Government are actually trying to stop it but not so much that they themselves lose out on money. That's what I'm now going to believe.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 08, 2012, 09:10:42 pm
Im 14, I smoke and I don't think some covers will stop ME smoking. I agree with ted, there only doing it to look good
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 08, 2012, 09:13:26 pm
14 ? I started this year mate, and I'm 16.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 08, 2012, 09:45:22 pm
Well its life, in my area theres kids in primary school smoking. Fucked up places...
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 08, 2012, 09:54:15 pm
Augh.

Try to stop, trust me, it's better.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 09:58:24 pm
Because it's cool ok.
It's cool to people with a lack of brains and maybe people who talk like trolls for fun. :trust:

Well its life, in my area theres kids in primary school smoking. f**ked up places...
Same here, 12 years are like 'Smokin' is bad mans bruv' in their little pathetic chav talk.. -.-
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 08, 2012, 10:10:36 pm
Wan't to know why I started smoking ? (couple of days ago).

Because of the stress I'm having, why, get a fucking clue, because I'm not going to tell it.

 :bow:
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Jubin on April 08, 2012, 10:28:23 pm
Wan't to know why I started smoking ? (couple of days ago).

Because of the stress I'm having, why, get a f**king clue, because I'm not going to tell it.

 :bow:
You do know that smoking makes the matters worse in the long run?
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 10:30:38 pm
Wan't to know why I started smoking ? (couple of days ago).

Because of the stress I'm having, why, get a f**king clue, because I'm not going to tell it.

 :bow:
You do know that smoking makes the matters worse in the long run?
This.
And you clearly didn't use your brain, smoking increases your nicotine level when you smoke, but when you stop it drops and makes you want to smoke more, and if you don't smoke you just get more stressed out.
Seriously un-educated or what...
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Ted on April 08, 2012, 10:42:28 pm
Same here, 12 years are like 'Smokin' is bad mans bruv' in their little pathetic chav talk.. -.-

Well those bad little mandems will find out what's really bad as they get older.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 08, 2012, 11:37:27 pm
This.
And you clearly didn't use your brain, smoking increases your nicotine level when you smoke, but when you stop it drops and makes you want to smoke more, and if you don't smoke you just get more stressed out.
Seriously un-educated or what...

Nop, just stupid.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 02:04:00 am
Well those bad little mandems will find out what's really bad as they get older.
Yes when they are rolling round on the floor with a needle sticking out of their arm and coughing due to lung problems. :roll:

Nop, just stupid.
More likely.  :D
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 09, 2012, 02:06:08 am
Yes when they are rolling round on the floor with a needle sticking out of their arm
a needle sticking out of their arm
wait what
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Jack White on April 09, 2012, 02:39:45 am
wait what
YOU AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A DRUG ADDICT WHILE SMOKING
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 09, 2012, 02:55:05 am
YOU AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A DRUG ADDICT WHILE SMOKING
oh, ok
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: JDC on April 09, 2012, 05:36:01 am
enjoy living a normal boring life

casual

There's plenty of ways to spice up one's life without its last years spent suffering from lung cancer, which brings about a slow, agonizing death.

I'd understand becoming a soldier or mercenary and dying from stepping on some mine on the battlefield, but each breath becoming more painful each day you live, is something else.

"Here lies Daco, another victim of Lung Cancer."

Although I do agree it doesn't make any fucking sense for the government to discourage smoking while they're selling it. Fucking moneybag politicians.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 09, 2012, 09:06:25 am
But smoking is cool man fuck all that cancer shit

fyi I'm not even addicted I can stop whenever I want to

Meh not now maybe later
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 01:22:52 pm
But smoking is cool man f**k all that cancer shit

fyi I'm not even addicted I can stop whenever I want to

Meh not now maybe later
I don't really what to disrespect you but you are one of the biggest trolls I've ever seen in my entire f**king life.
How on earth is smoking 'cool'? Will it be cool when you have lung problems and continue smoking?

Although I do agree it doesn't make any f**king sense for the government to discourage smoking while they're selling it. f**king moneybag politicians.
Politicians are the reason to the worlds problems, did you know there is a cure for cancer but the government wont let pharmacist companies release it because they'd lose so much tax money on the treatments that 'slows down' or 'prolongs' cancer, if they get rid of the problem theres not a problem there to make money on. The governments just full off corrupt money hungry asses that couldn't give a shit about doing their job right because their to busy checking their bank balance.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 09, 2012, 01:26:05 pm
But smoking is cool man f**k all that cancer shit

fyi I'm not even addicted I can stop whenever I want to

Meh not now maybe later
Smoking aint cool, its a bad habit. Im like you im not addicted but I do it coz i want to...
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 09, 2012, 01:26:14 pm
Smoking isn't cool, it bad for the health etc.

Get over it.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 09, 2012, 02:15:38 pm
I don't really what to disrespect you but you are one of the biggest trolls I've ever seen in my entire f**king life.
How on earth is smoking 'cool'? Will it be cool when you have lung problems and continue smoking?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/29gl9fp.jpg)

Taken years ago, still f**king.

Smoking isn't cool, it bad for the health etc.

Get over it.
Smoking is cool because you feel cool when you are smoking it. Keep cool & stay cool.

Deal with it.

Politicians are the reason to the worlds problems, did you know there is a cure for cancer but the government wont let pharmacist companies release it because they'd lose so much tax money on the treatments that 'slows down' or 'prolongs' cancer, if they get rid of the problem theres not a problem there to make money on. The governments just full off corrupt money hungry asses that couldn't give a shit about doing their job right because their to busy checking their bank balance.
It's cool a treatment will be there when I'll be 30 years old.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 02:17:13 pm
Daco, you have problems.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 09, 2012, 02:19:45 pm
Daco, you have problems.
I have 99 problems but smoking ain't one.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 02:24:23 pm
I have 99 problems but smoking ain't one.
You don't even look cool in that pictures.  :roll:
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 09, 2012, 02:34:29 pm
You don't even look cool in that pictures.  :roll:

Yes I was very drunk and it was 4:00 AM. I looked cool the day after though. ;)
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 02:46:06 pm
Yes I was very drunk and it was 4:00 AM. I looked cool the day after though. ;)
Sorry but your just making youself look like an idiot, go try and be a 'bad man' IRL ok?
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Daco on April 09, 2012, 02:50:45 pm
Sorry but your just making youself look like an idiot, go try and be a 'bad man' IRL ok?

wow stop going offtopic buddy

ON TOPIC:

smoking is very widespread and nobody can stop it, not even one bit
oh and it's good
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 03:07:33 pm
wow stop going offtopic buddy

ON TOPIC:

smoking is very widespread and nobody can stop it, not even one bit
oh and it's good
Your setting a bad example for younger people that look at these forums..  :mad:
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Pandalink on April 09, 2012, 06:40:14 pm
Whatever Daco might say, smoking isn't "cool". That isn't to say there aren't some immediate benefits, but in general it's a disgusting thing to do.
It's just so damn good after a pint. Shit any other time though.
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: Darxez on April 09, 2012, 06:53:48 pm
Right,  I'm not proud on it that I smoke, I'm trying to stop with it though...
Title: Re: England HIDES cigarettes from public view
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 10, 2012, 03:40:01 am
We have had this law in Canada for years now. works like a charm.
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