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Title: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Exterminator on April 11, 2012, 08:04:01 pm
Note: CISPA is NOT mainly about killing piracy(but it does automatically do everything that SOPA does indirectly). Cispa is to "protect" the internet.
Meaning all your personal info(including even usernames and passwords, unencrypted!) are now shared to big corporations and all your logs are shared everywhere(what SOPA does, but on a much bigger scale). ANYTHING that harms a big corp's business is illegal, including opinions!
Your isp is gonna log the websites you go to, info you send passwords you get e.t.c, google is gonna share all its search data user based to all big corps, microsoft is gonna give away all your data too. This way, they have ALL your info, can take down ANYTHING, and the govt can just rule the internet literally.

So now, they came up with a new bill.
but this time, they asskissed the big corps.

lemme break it down for ya, if you make a blog post saying facebook is trashed your blog will be shut down(yeah).

this time, they are gonna monitor every shit, and defense property of both PRIVATE and government agencies.
meaning that big corps now have access to ALL your personal information(yeah, literally, internet at their feet).

The govt or private corps can take down anything that disrupts their business, damn it this time we may actually not win, the last time we won because we had big corps on our side, this time they are on their side...

Seriously, wtf happened to the free internet?I am starting to become a anonymous supporter now, big corps are literally taking over the internet.
First we, the people make the internet.
Then giant corporations join the internet.
Everything is free, the internet is like your escape from life
Then they make stuff on the internet, and then sell it
Then they want everyone to go through trouble so their stuff isnt stolen
Then they wanna control the internet, so they can do whatever they want and we get f**ked
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 11, 2012, 08:50:23 pm
So now, they came up with a new bill.
but this time, they asskissed the big corps.

lemme break it down for ya, if you make a blog post saying facebook is trashed your blog will be shut down(yeah).

this time, they are gonna monitor every shit, and defense property of both PRIVATE and government agencies.
meaning that big corps now have access to ALL your personal information(yeah, literally, internet at their feet).

The govt or private corps can take down anything that disrupts their business, damn it this time we may actually not win, the last time we won because we had big corps on our side, this time they are on their side...

Seriously, wtf happened to the free internet?I am starting to become a anonymous supporter now, big corps are literally taking over the internet.

You are incredibly naive if you think that the government and corporations didn't already have access to this information. the Internet was created by the US government as a form of communication in the event of a global war, we the so called "Free people" did not create the internet. Corporations create the services we use online, so they already have our personal information. If you have nothing to hide why would you be worried about the government watching you any ways?

First we, the people make the internet.

Actually no, the internet was first developed by the US government as a means of un-interruptible communication in the event of a nuclear war, it only developed in to a tool for the general public when the world realised its potential.

Then giant corporations join the internet.

most of the websites you use on a daily basis are created by corporations, you are in fact using it to play a game that is made by a large gaming developer, before business used the internet it was nothing but a means of government communications....

Everything is free, the internet is like your escape from life

No, everything is not free, if this was the case we would be living in a happy world of rainbows and faries. The internet is not some magical world where we go to escape the troubles of reality. if you feel that way then you should get some help. The internet is a tool for information, recreation and business not some alternate dimension


Then they make stuff on the internet, and then sell it

"oh no, someone is trying to make a profit and earn money from a service that you don't even need to buy if you don't want to". Really bud? people start companies to make money, people who pirate things for free are committing a crime, its no different then walking in to a store and stealing a game or music CD from there. If you created something and tried to make a living from it, only to make no money because people are pirating it, im sure you would feel differently.

Then they want everyone to go through trouble so their stuff isnt stolen

ummmm, again... how is this a problem? Are you trying to say its alright to steal?

Then they wanna control the internet, so they can do whatever they want and we get f**ked

back to my first point. the government can alredy do all this monitoring stuff, corporations can get your information if you use their services. What are you angry about? Now you cant pirate game sand music as easily? Its the same as theft and it makes you a criminal, good for the government and the corporations for having a way to get their lost revenue back. The internet should not be some lawless back country where people think they can do what they want because they hide behind a computer monitor.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Teddy on April 11, 2012, 08:51:53 pm
Now you cant pirate game sand music as easily? Its the same as theft and it makes you a criminal, good for the government and the corporations for having a way to get their lost revenue back. The internet should not be some lawless back country where people think they can do what they want because they hide behind a computer monitor.

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Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Gandalf on April 11, 2012, 09:47:07 pm
Let me say that I am fully against piracy, and I believe that if you enjoy a product or make money with it you should always pay. However....
In 1980 the IBM PC was introduced. It became hugely popular because it had one advantage over the other operating systems of the time : You could freely exchange data and programs between one machine and another running the same OS. This might surprise you, but before PC-DOS/MS-DOS every PC had its own system and you could not exchange between two different types of PC running the same OS.

So what caused MS-DOS to be the most popular and getting almost a monopoly ? Free exchanging of software.

Internet was originally (apart from the US Government owning it and Russian Government leeching) a place for nerds. It became popular by the time people could store and exchange their music, pictures and software. Instead of having to go to a fair, or exchanging cassette tapes and disks with friends, you could exchange with someone in another country.

So what made the internet big ? Free exchange of music, images and software.

It is laughble to think that people are pirating because of the internet. Before the internet grew big people were already pirating movies, music and software. The scale has changed, but at the same time the turnover and profit of the companies has. Because of the exchange of information a good product is sold many times more as it could have been without it.

As currently people have less money, and there for spend less on luxury goods, corporations see their turnover stagnating, and profit going down. This means they are looking for something to blame it on (other than their own greed) and trying to lock the market hoping this will earn them back what they lost.

Reality is they should do the opposite as they are trying. Instead of locking the market, embrace it.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on April 11, 2012, 10:00:47 pm
^True, however a lot of companies are losing money to piracy.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 11, 2012, 10:19:50 pm
Only one problem. The ISPs and Governments don't have enough man power to monitor every single person's IP usage. It's virtually impossible with the amount of data streaming..
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: JDC on April 12, 2012, 09:12:47 am
Internet Censorship is total bullshit and is merely nothing more than a pathetic attempt by politicians and executives to control the general populace.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Daniel_Bradford on April 12, 2012, 10:35:15 am
Quote
Let me say that I am fully against piracy, and I believe that if you enjoy a product or make money with it you should always pay.

So you never downloaded a music file or a movie illegally in your whole life ?
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 11:47:51 am
I will admit it, I am a pirate. I have pirated hundreds of games, music albums, software and films. These pieces of downloaded media have given me a better feel for each product than any demo or trial ever could, and has resulted in me buying 90% of the items I pirate. That's a higher rate than I would have bought if I hadn't pirated to test it out in the first place.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Y2JFaN on April 12, 2012, 10:02:24 pm
I will admit it, I am a pirate. I have pirated hundreds of games, music albums, software and films. These pieces of downloaded media have given me a better feel for each product than any demo or trial ever could, and has resulted in me buying 90% of the items I pirate. That's a higher rate than I would have bought if I hadn't pirated to test it out in the first place.
Your saying that like because you bought 90% of the stuff it was all okay... lets think about the other 10%, and even if you bought it you still illegaly got a copy of whatever you downloaded.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 10:36:45 pm
Your saying that like because you bought 90% of the stuff it was all okay... lets think about the other 10%, and even if you bought it you still illegaly got a copy of whatever you downloaded.

I may have gotten an illegal copy, but that copy lead me to make a proper purchase, which is what developers, artist and creators want. As for the other 10%, those are the usual culprits. Either material you cannot buy without an incredibly high import charge and work arounds and the incredibly over the top priced software which no normal person can afford for personal usage.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: JDC on April 13, 2012, 06:17:51 am
Companies don't realize that even in the "pirate" sector of the market, there is money to be made.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on April 13, 2012, 03:40:31 pm
Companies don't realize that even in the "pirate" sector of the market, there is money to be made.
Explain.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Armelin on April 13, 2012, 03:48:29 pm
DeepWeb.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 13, 2012, 03:49:47 pm
Explain.

I will admit it, I am a pirate. I have pirated hundreds of games, music albums, software and films. These pieces of downloaded media have given me a better feel for each product than any demo or trial ever could, and has resulted in me buying 90% of the items I pirate. That's a higher rate than I would have bought if I hadn't pirated to test it out in the first place.
I may have gotten an illegal copy, but that copy lead me to make a proper purchase, which is what developers, artist and creators want. As for the other 10%, those are the usual culprits. Either material you cannot buy without an incredibly high import charge and work arounds and the incredibly over the top priced software which no normal person can afford for personal usage.

As I said there, I've spent more money on software/games/movies/music than I would have without having acquired a copy before hand to see how it is.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Gandalf on April 13, 2012, 06:42:36 pm
So you never downloaded a music file or a movie illegally in your whole life ?
That is not what I said... see Sphex to understand. Anything I use daily or enjoy is legal, even if it is shareware that can be used without license I might have paid for it.
Things that I tried a demo of and were found to be useless have been discarded and removed.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 15, 2012, 08:32:10 pm
The fact of the matter is that demo versions of software rarely show the more advanced capabilities of the full program. Take the Adobe Photoshop or Sony Vegas trials, those are essentially full versions of the software available for consumers to use for around fourteen to thirty days to get a feel for the program. These trials versions, however, are still heavily limited - this is known as "Shareware" - you download it, install it, use it for a set amount of days and then either delete it at the end or buy the full version.

Now lets compare it to something different. If we compare an actual "trial" version of a piece of software, lets say for example one of the many generic video converters out there to the above Shareware process, you would see that the concept is similar. Usually these pieces of software have a trial time on them, but most have incredibly annoying limits; i.e. Only 3 minutes of video will be converted, which when converting an hour and a half long film doesn't really give you an idea of the overall quality or performance of said piece of software.

In terms of games - the majority of games developers now a days have become incredibly lazy and have skipped having any sort of pre-release or after release demo for any major titles. You spend 40 pounds average on a game, would you want to risk spending that and only playing the game for a few hours before it bored you to tears, or would you rather play it safe and try it before hand? And games developers are wondering why there has been a rise in piracy.
There has been a rise in piracy, but there has been a major fall in demos and trials.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: battle on April 16, 2012, 12:06:22 am
They will be able to monitor us aswell, for those who go on the US pages for info and in some situations downloads, also the same things apply's with the youtube vids i think so yeah, if this ever comes to europe, i'm ready, i got my sign ready to put together again and travel to my capital, to protest, like i did with ACTA in case they come up with the same pile again here.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: Sphex on April 17, 2012, 09:44:18 pm
They will be able to monitor us aswell, for those who go on the US pages for info and in some situations downloads,...

Yeah. For those Facebook and Google users out there - these corporations use more of your data than you think.
Title: Re: CISPA(makes me wanna wish SOPA was passed..)
Post by: ANUNNAKI on April 17, 2012, 09:54:30 pm
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