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Title: This means war.
Post by: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm: War.
Not many people here will be able to say they know what it is. We have some members from the Former Yugoslavian states, and some from other countries in the Middle East who have been close to it.
But most here have not the slightest idea what it is to live in a war. And while they should be happy to enjoy that situation, instead it shows that they have forgotten it can be very different.
The situation of being in a war is not just about putting bombs or like playing Counter-Strike. Most people who land unprepared in a real war, will die in 5 minutes unless someone saves them.
It looks ok in a game, but when you are in reality facing other human beings and have to choose to kill or be killed, it changes your mind forever. Nothing will be the same once you made the choice.
Many soldiers use alcohol or drugs to help their mind process their acts. Others close their mind, and human life will never again have value for them.
But there is not a single human who stays the same after being in a war.
And not just soldiers. When you live in a warzone, life has to go on. You still have to go to work, get your hands on food and live as much of your life as you can.
But while you do this, you have to listen for airplanes who might release bombs. Avoid snipers or rogue soldiers whose mind has gone so far they shot aat anything.
When you get up in the morning, you do not know if you will be alive in the evening, and wonder which person you know will die today.
When you go to sleep, you do not know if you will wake up, and what terrible news will await you.

In a war there is no winner. A country may declare victory, another may admit defeat. But everyone who has been touched by the war has lost.
Lost lives, lost part of their soul and humanity.

Those of you who see this as just a story, count yourself lucky, and hope you will never understand the full meaning.
Those who understand it, my thoughts are with you.

Whenever you feel the need to swear and flame. Whenever you wish someone disease or death. Whenever you get yourself mad about a virtual game.
Whenever you feel bullied by some words on your computer. Whenever you feel that people should do what you hope for and it did not happen.
Consider for one moment how it would be if every day you saw people disappear never to return. How it would be if you were forced to go and kill people, knowing some of them could be.
How it would be if every disconnection of a number of people could mean their houses, and maybe lives, were lost.

The coming days you may meet elderly men dressed in uniforms. They know that today's young people care more for their iPhone as for what happened a long time ago. And they do not mind, as they understand you have no idea.
If you meet them, for once do something strange. Go up to them, and thank them for what they did.
It will not restore the part of the soul they lost in war. But is will make them believe it was worth it.
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Post by: Salmonella on May 04, 2012, 08:36:51 pm: The topic title was a surprise, didn't expect this. It's true that deeds of soldiers in the past are often forgotten. The older the deed, the less attention it gets.
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Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on May 04, 2012, 08:42:24 pm: Very true, and I completely agree with this:
Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
In a war there is no winner. A country may declare victory, another may admit defeat. But everyone who has been touched by the war has lost.
Lost lives, lost part of their soul and humanity.
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Post by: EliteTerm on May 04, 2012, 08:44:10 pm: I've had every respect for veterans, and I would love to extend my thanks to their service.. but I feel uneasy walking up to them and give them my thanks, because I do not know what they saw, I do not know what they have suffered through or do things or see something that will scar them for the rest of their life.

Would I be thanking them for their service, or thanking them for having to suffer the consequences?
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Post by: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 09:04:44 pm: Im a teengage boy in India, still forced in my "shell".
I guess im lucky i havent met things as dire as that, the most i see is tiny fights and cursings in schools, and to think that life could extend to such an extent is hard for me to comprehend, This post certainly changed some of my mind, just thinking of the conditions of those people...
My parents still tell me tales of under the british rule and under the pakistani invasions, the tortures under the british, the donations in the war, they told me that people around them even sent over 75 percent of their food reserves to the border as donations, and together pitched in to just about survive. I can only imagine the horror that would of went down on the battlefield, especially during the '47 wars...Back then the Indians and paks were literally best bros, seperated by governments, i can only imagine what soldiers such as them had to bear, knowing that they are definately going to hit innocents and friends...
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Post by: Witchking on May 04, 2012, 09:09:10 pm: a small touch of the feelings some of them felt, and some of them did not...

Soldier homecoming surprise mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMlIM9zLio#)

My thoughts are with the persons that never felt the feelings this kids and Soldiers, does in this video!
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Post by: McGarrett on May 04, 2012, 09:12:55 pm: Is this relevant to the Community of Argonath ? Anyway, my father was a U.S Navy SEAL :)
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Post by: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 09:25:52 pm: Quote from: MrBorsh on May 04, 2012, 09:12:55 pm
Is this relevant to the Community of Argonath ?
There are more important things in life as complaining about the best way to play an online game. ;)
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Post by: McGarrett on May 04, 2012, 09:36:45 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 09:25:52 pm
There are more important things in life as complaining about the best way to play an online game. ;)

Yeah, I know. But, I am usually not the person that moans about a game.
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Post by: Ben. on May 04, 2012, 09:44:05 pm: Well, I'm happy to see this on a day other than remembrance sunday, when people normally seem to remember...
good topic.
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Post by: JayL on May 04, 2012, 10:16:06 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
They know that today's young people care more for their iPhone as for what happened a long time ago.

And that alien majority will not get their eyes off their iPhones until a harsh time makes them do something else if they don't want a handicap or death. Not necessarily guns war as we usually think of when using the word.
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Post by: Cofiliano on May 04, 2012, 10:58:59 pm: No one knows what war is until it hits your doorstep and your whole life changes cause of it.

I'm actually happy that new generations in Serbia are more into iphones(altough I usually hate when I see them more on PC/iphones/etc instead of playing outside with their friends like we used to do) then runing to shellters as part of their childhood, cause that means war is far away from them, and Us.

Of course, knowing your history, respecting your heroes their sacrifises, and veterans is something that you get teached at your home.
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Post by: Jack Rosso on May 04, 2012, 11:34:35 pm: There two victims in a war,

The soldiers, the civilians..

Look at the person on the high seat, often out of the spotlight but the real creator of death.
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Post by: Teddy on May 04, 2012, 11:53:34 pm: Wow. All I can say :)

This was interesting, even tho I don't know what its like and as Gandalf said; to me its just a story as I don't live in an area where this is a problem. This message does state some really powerful and truthful facts about the world we do live in.
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Post by: Dillon on May 05, 2012, 01:26:06 am: I will never be able to grip this concept but living in the US I see what happens to a society that is takes things for granted and even I myself will admit to taking things to for granted. I have plans on joining the Armed Forces of the Unites States but time will make that decision for me. The toll that war has on a land is only seen during the war, after the war the media and the world stops thinking about that region and it is left to deal with what has just happened on it's own. There is no such thing as a war for good or for that matter a good war.
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Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 05, 2012, 01:48:09 am: Quote from: miniman622 on May 04, 2012, 09:44:05 pm
Well, I'm happy to see this on a day other than remembrance sunday, when people normally seem to remember...
good topic.
When you see such discussion it is usually followed by an admin feeling it's innapropriate to discuss the matters and making their opinion well known.
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Post by: SugarD on May 05, 2012, 06:11:32 am: I am absolutely speechless Gandalf. This has to be one of the greatest statements regarding war I've ever seen, and it truly...truly...does touch on what happens to people in it, and makes a very good point about our attitudes towards others not just in the community, but anywhere in life.

All I can say at this point is kudos for that incredible speech. You sound like you've been touched by the life-altering disease of war itself, although I surely hope you have never suffered from such a plague of humanity.

You had my respect before, but it just went through the roof with this topic.
/me claps loudly.
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Post by: Dexter on May 05, 2012, 08:37:10 am: Quote from: Tandtrollet on May 04, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
a small touch of the feelings some of them felt, and some of them did not...

Soldier homecoming surprise mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMlIM9zLio#)

My thoughts are with the persons that never felt the feelings this kids and Soldiers, does in this video!

I cried while watching this video. That's all I can say right now.
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Post by: Antonio. on May 05, 2012, 12:19:52 pm: Reminds me of one of my cousins that was in the war. After losing his friend who was just next to him, he's terrified of gun shots now a days.
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Post by: Matt Murdock on May 05, 2012, 12:30:37 pm: Shit just got serious. Tho my grandfather and most of my uncles from my mom's side have been in the army, I don't know anything about war, however I do know a lot about iPhone and the latest technology. I guess they fought so we can enjoy all this today, and us enjoying gives them the most happiness. But We do owe a thanks to them.
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Post by: Batta on May 05, 2012, 01:23:19 pm: Quote from: Dexter on May 05, 2012, 08:37:10 am
I cried while watching this video.

You're not alone :)
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Post by: SafetyMoose on May 05, 2012, 02:39:37 pm: Would love to know what the motivation for this was.
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Post by: JayL on May 05, 2012, 03:55:54 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
care more for their iPhone as for what happened a long time ago.
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Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on May 05, 2012, 04:06:53 pm: Victory Day parade on Red Square 2012 promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKSc94uESlE#)

Moose I believe this is the motivation, Victory Day
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Post by: S7ab_Tns on May 05, 2012, 04:18:43 pm: My country lost more than 2 million souls in the period between 1830-1962 , so im with you 100%
I hope that others will understand it too.
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Post by: Crusader on May 05, 2012, 04:46:26 pm: Quote from: S7ab_Tns on May 05, 2012, 04:18:43 pm
My country lost more than 2 million souls in the period between 1830-1962 , so im with you 100%
I hope that others will understand it too.
My country lost 6million souls in 5 years.
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Post by: Salmonella on May 05, 2012, 06:09:33 pm: Before it carries on; let's not make a contest out of which one of you lost more people..
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Post by: eymas on May 05, 2012, 10:53:46 pm: Amen.
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Post by: Julio. on May 06, 2012, 02:31:46 am: Quote from: Salmonella on May 05, 2012, 06:09:33 pm
Before it carries on; let's not make a contest out of which one of you lost more people..

I think diseases such as salmonella and others have killed the most :evil:

In all seriousness, most people are tense when there is a small argument, let alone a full scale war :neutral:
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Post by: Squeak on May 06, 2012, 04:10:08 am: I would just like to thank Gandalf, our very own veteran, for opening my eyes to what war truly is.

/me claps.
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Post by: Vans on May 06, 2012, 04:39:10 am: I live in Bosnia, one state which was in Yugoslavia. Most of my family was in war and lot of people died from village where my dad born and my dad almost got killed by hand bomb.
Even today there are scarfs of that war.
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Post by: Matt Murdock on May 06, 2012, 08:50:46 am: Got to read this today

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303412_420967227921866_210063749012216_1600979_1830823368_n.jpg?dl=1)
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Post by: Que on May 06, 2012, 08:43:25 pm: Great topic as always, Gandalf.
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Post by: Stefanrsb on May 06, 2012, 09:11:52 pm: My dad was at war zones in Croatia, Bosnia, and at border with Albania.

I don't think I was born when he was in Bosnia or Croatia, but I can slightly remember when he was at Kosovo.
I was just a little kid. I was like 4 when he was there. Risking his life every singe second, getting phobias from the shadows, thinking that they are enemy soldiers.
When somebody shoots, you do it, too. Even if nobody is there, you shoot in the dark.
I really will never forget the day when I saw him coming home. Even if I can't remember it all, but I can remember than moment when I saw him coming home with a gun at his shoulder...
Had to write this, it's a good feeling if you share something like this with others...
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Post by: Krueger on May 07, 2012, 08:04:37 pm: One of my great grandfathers died in war... :neutral:
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Post by: Darxez on May 08, 2012, 09:46:20 pm: Well...

I've never had lot's of friends of my age, idk why.. Most of them where adults, they still are.

One of them went to Afghanistan, to help in the mission over there (Dutch militair). He got now a syndrom (golfsyndrom I believe) and is mentally broken, and will never be restored.

If you got some time, take a look in the book --> Soldaat in Uruzgan (Soldier in Uruzgan, thought it is translated). It will explain alot, it will explain the REAL sight of a soldier.
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Post by: JDC on May 10, 2012, 11:58:42 pm: I live in a country that was historically defined by war. War against our Spanish masters for three centuries, war against the Americans in the early 1900's, war against the Japanese that ravaged our country in World War II, and war against the insurgent rebels that have been kidnapping foreigners and innocents (including children) ever since.

The worst thing? Our politicians keep the insurgent wars ongoing (even though our poorly capable military is capable of ending it as it has been geared for domestic insurgents rather than foreign disputes) because they are making profit from it. For all we know, the rebels could have the same suppliers of M16 rifles as the army.

I myself have never seen war first-hand (although my grandfather was a WWII veteran agianst the Japanese), but I grew up hearing about it so often in the news, that it is almost like watching the weather forecast.

I might hate the government and our politicians, but there is always a different respect for those uniformed men who put their lives at risk every day so that your country can be safe.
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Post by: Darxez on May 11, 2012, 12:40:50 am: Soldiers are there to protect, help and to developpe. Not just to :m4:. The games like MW, BF3.. All that kind of stuff if pure bullshit. Games aren't real, being a soldier isn't always get out the gun and shoot like a freaking idiot. No, they help.

And that's why we need to respect them. They offer their lives for us.

Semper Fi, goodnight.
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Post by: Dolfagr on May 11, 2012, 12:47:41 am: Quote from: markab99 on May 11, 2012, 12:40:50 am
Soldiers are there to protect, help and to developpe. Not just to :m4:. The games like MW, BF3.. All that kind of stuff if pure bullshit. Games aren't real, being a soldier isn't always get out the gun and shoot like a freaking idiot. No, they help.

And that's why we need to respect them. They offer their lives for us.

Semper Fi, goodnight.

Yes but what happens when solider get orders to do something they morally shouldn't but is necessary? I'd rather pay my respects for those who help humans actually and not commit attrocities.
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Post by: Darxez on May 11, 2012, 12:53:16 am: Well, a officer can make a mistake. A soldier with a clear mind, will denied that order then. That soldier won't get in trouble because he refused to make a mistake.
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Post by: JDC on May 11, 2012, 12:57:03 am: Quote from: markab99 on May 11, 2012, 12:53:16 am
Well, a officer can make a mistake. A soldier with a clear mind, will denied that order then. That soldier won't get in trouble because he refused to make a mistake.

In some regimes, the penalty for going against your dictator's order to kill ____ could be execution after you are dishonorably discharged.
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Post by: Darxez on May 11, 2012, 12:58:46 am: Quote from: JDCdesigns on May 11, 2012, 12:57:03 am
In some regimes, the penalty for going against your dictator's order to kill ____ could be execution after you are dishonorably discharged.

True, but in the general U.N. army you won't get that.

They'll just blast straight away a bullet through your head.
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Post by: Reece on May 11, 2012, 09:07:09 am: Quote from: markab99 on May 11, 2012, 12:58:46 am
They'll just blast straight away a bullet through your head.

That would be execution then..
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Post by: Jack Rosso on May 11, 2012, 12:49:50 pm: German Nazi Sniper Tamed with a Trumpet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLdXzq_wPmI#ws)
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Post by: Stefanrsb on May 11, 2012, 03:01:31 pm: Offtopic: Reece, I hate your signature.
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Post by: Krueger on May 12, 2012, 12:41:25 pm: Quote from: Stefan_9_Vrdnik on May 11, 2012, 03:01:31 pm
Offtopic: Reece, I hate your signature.
You get annoyed because you think that was your mouse? :lol:
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Post by: FlameMan on May 12, 2012, 12:55:09 pm: Quote from: Tandtrollet on May 04, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
a small touch of the feelings some of them felt, and some of them did not...

Soldier homecoming surprise mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMlIM9zLio#)

My thoughts are with the persons that never felt the feelings this kids and Soldiers, does in this video!

You have fucking no idea how huge influence has this video on me right now.
I'm sitting at my computer and tears are just going down my cheeks and I can do nothing about it.
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Post by: yoske on May 12, 2012, 04:41:50 pm: Quote from: Tandtrollet on May 04, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
a small touch of the feelings some of them felt, and some of them did not...

Soldier homecoming surprise mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMlIM9zLio#)

My thoughts are with the persons that never felt the feelings this kids and Soldiers, does in this video!

Oh man, I haven't cried for a while... Nice job for video, very touching, reminds on important things in life... ;)
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Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on May 12, 2012, 05:51:33 pm: "Soldiers are there to protect, help and to developpe. Not just to :m4:. The games like MW, BF3.. All that kind of stuff if pure bullshit. Games aren't real, being a soldier isn't always get out the gun and shoot like a freaking idiot. No, they help."

I have a quote from a friend of mine in afghanistan which reinforces what you said.
"In my last tour of duty I only fired my gun twice, once was to kill a spider."
If anyone thinks that war is as simple as MW or Battlefield should be shot in my opinion.
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Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on May 13, 2012, 04:44:51 pm: Well said Gandalf, well said.
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Post by: Conroy on May 14, 2012, 10:41:33 pm: They Will Never Take Our Freedom - Braveheart (3/9) Movie CLIP (1995) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A#ws)
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Post by: Murt on May 14, 2012, 11:46:25 pm: Gladiator (5/8) Movie CLIP - My Name is Maximus (2000) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UmHfWCw-4#ws)
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Post by: Ramo_Hawk on May 30, 2012, 10:08:58 pm: Best topic I've seen so far and probably will be the only best topic.

Very well said Gandalf.
Like Dillon, I would like to join the NSA/CIA of United States, unfortunately I'm not an American and to join those secret services, you need a diploma (6-7 years), American passport (5 years), Police experience (7 years), a lot of requirements are needed so I do not know if my dream comes true.

I know what it feels like to be in a war, not because I was in one, but because my family lives there.
And that first video, I was very touched with it.
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Post by: Thijs272 on May 30, 2012, 10:56:29 pm: On May 4th I was on the Dam in Amsterdam, there were 2 minutes silence, to remember all the people who died at WOII and after in all our peacekeeping operations. There were veterans who survived the Second World War and fighted for the freedom. They lost their mates and family in the war. I talked to one of them, he was happy that the next generation freedom has. He also said some story's about how it was in the war, it's terrible. I hope it will be never again war in Holland.
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Post by: Leon. on May 31, 2012, 12:30:27 am: When I finished reading this, I sat there staring at my screen for a few seconds... just like... "Holy shit."
"When you get up in the morning, you do not know if you will be alive in the evening, and wonder which person you know will die today.
When you go to sleep, you do not know if you will wake up, and what terrible news will await you."
That was a big kick in the nuts.
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Post by: Nexxt on May 31, 2012, 07:06:51 pm: Quote from: Witchking on May 04, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
a small touch of the feelings some of them felt, and some of them did not...

Soldier homecoming surprise mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMlIM9zLio#)

My thoughts are with the persons that never felt the feelings this kids and Soldiers, does in this video!

I am not an emotional weak person, but I did tear up on this video... it kinda shocked me that I did. That's just so...amazing D:
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Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on May 31, 2012, 07:52:55 pm: System Of A Down - Boom! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2r7r7VVic#)
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Post by: Aragorn on June 04, 2012, 09:18:48 pm: They passed Call of Duty without saves
(http://fototelegraf.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/den-pobedi-15.jpg)
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Post by: Adam. on June 05, 2012, 01:15:54 am: Quote from: Aragorn on June 04, 2012, 09:18:48 pm
They passed Call of Duty without saves
(http://fototelegraf.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/den-pobedi-15.jpg)

:rofl:
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Post by: SugarD on June 13, 2012, 12:49:42 am: Some may think war is a joke, but think about it from the eyes of those who lost someone special because of it. Even if you aren't on the same side of the battlefield, both you and the "enemy" you are fighting are suffering greatly, and even more so are those who aren't even involved in it.

10 Yrs. I Miss You Daddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLxuy4tPLs#)

This is just an example of the pain of one person, from one attack. Imagine how all the families of those lost over the years must feel, from every attack, war, and act of violence ever brought upon their loved ones.

For the future, think twice before trying to hurt your fellow friends in this community, or even in the real world. You never know what it may lead to, and the pain it may cause. No one deserves to feel that way...
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Post by: Alsatian on June 13, 2012, 05:24:43 am: This whole topic has left me completely speechless. The harsh realities of war... something I'm glad I've never had to experience and hopefully never will have to.

This part in particular left me sitting in my chair, thinking for like five minutes straight.
Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
Whenever you feel the need to swear and flame. Whenever you wish someone disease or death. Whenever you get yourself mad about a virtual game.
Whenever you feel bullied by some words on your computer. Whenever you feel that people should do what you hope for and it did not happen.
Consider for one moment how it would be if every day you saw people disappear never to return. How it would be if you were forced to go and kill people, knowing some of them could be.
How it would be if every disconnection of a number of people could mean their houses, and maybe lives, were lost.

Quote from: Squeak on June 13, 2012, 05:36:38 am
Yeah it left me sitting in my chair too, because that's all we're doing. Sitting in chairs speaking of the harsh realities of war on the internet. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120522023856/mlp/images/1/16/OH_YOU.jpg)
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Post by: Squeak on June 13, 2012, 05:36:38 am: Yeah it left me sitting in my chair too, because that's all we're doing. Sitting in chairs speaking of the harsh realities of war on the internet. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Post by: SugarD on June 13, 2012, 05:41:07 am: Quote from: Squeak on June 13, 2012, 05:36:38 am
Yeah it left me sitting in my chair too, because that's all we're doing. Sitting in chairs speaking of the harsh realities of war on the internet. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
The "happy go lucky" attitude you have about it now wouldn't be the same if you were experiencing it first-hand. Please try to remember that.
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Post by: Squeak on June 13, 2012, 05:57:08 am: Quote from: [LA]SugarD on June 13, 2012, 05:41:07 am
The "happy go lucky" attitude you have about it now wouldn't be the same if you were experiencing it first-hand. Please try to remember that.
I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for war, kiddo. ;)
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Post by: Huntsman on June 13, 2012, 07:57:40 pm: I would also like to add

Politicians never win wars, they can declare victory, but it's the soldiers who won.

Besides, i can see that politics tend to think war solves problems. So far, there were so many wars and it never solved problems, in fact, it brang even more of them.
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Post by: Darxez on June 13, 2012, 11:34:31 pm: If they're humans, there will be war

-Albert Einstein.
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Post by: McGarrett on June 14, 2012, 01:22:03 am: And we are those who are afraid of a monster jumping out of the closet, alien invasions and stuff. We're the monsters here guys.
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Post by: Huntsman on June 14, 2012, 12:40:54 pm: Quote from: MrBorsh on June 14, 2012, 01:22:03 am
And we are those who are afraid of a monster jumping out of the closet, alien invasions and stuff. We're the monsters here guys.
Good point
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Post by: Darxez on June 14, 2012, 08:09:20 pm: From Black Hawk Down:

Only the dead have seen the end of the war.

-Plato.
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Post by: nikos on June 14, 2012, 11:08:48 pm: (http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3d/Ho/4LDljmrf/551781215225508595347100.jpg)
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Post by: SugarD on June 14, 2012, 11:10:38 pm: Quote from: nikos on June 14, 2012, 11:08:48 pm
(http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3d/Ho/4LDljmrf/551781215225508595347100.jpg)
This is the one time I wish the "Like" buttons mod was installed again on the forums...
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Squeak on June 15, 2012, 03:26:43 am: Quote from: nikos on June 14, 2012, 11:08:48 pm
(http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3d/Ho/4LDljmrf/551781215225508595347100.jpg)
lol shopped
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: SugarD on June 15, 2012, 03:39:08 am: Quote from: Squeak on June 15, 2012, 03:26:43 am
lol shopped
That one might actually not be PS'ed. It looks fairly real, and given his expression, it looks like it might be valid.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on June 16, 2012, 05:14:48 pm: Quote from: nikos on June 14, 2012, 11:08:48 pm
(http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3d/Ho/4LDljmrf/551781215225508595347100.jpg)
so this guy hates usa, yet he wears us uniform, and more than likely lives in usa.

(http://www.memecreator.com/static/images/memes/100829.jpg)

???
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Gandalf on June 16, 2012, 05:24:14 pm: And he is not even smart enough to hold it the right way up ?
No American would put his own flag upside down.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on June 16, 2012, 05:39:10 pm: He most likely put the flag upside down to format the text right.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: nikos on June 16, 2012, 09:38:34 pm: I'm sure he's smart enough.
Man and country on the picture are irrelevant,it counts for everyone around the globe.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: ElMartu on June 16, 2012, 11:21:17 pm: I think the flag's upside down as a sign of protest
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on June 16, 2012, 11:27:48 pm: Quote from: ElMartu on June 16, 2012, 11:21:17 pm
I think the flag's upside down as a sign of protest
Yeah that's what I initially thought.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Gandalf on June 17, 2012, 12:00:53 am: It just shows he is not a real soldier, and probably fake.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on June 17, 2012, 12:02:36 am: Quote from: Gandalf on June 17, 2012, 12:00:53 am
It just shows he is not a real soldier, and probably fake.
Who doesn't know what the American flag looks like? :poke:
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: SugarD on June 17, 2012, 01:14:45 am: He's not hating on the U.S.A., he's hating on it for the war he was involved in.

Believe it or not, many U.S. soldiers that come back from war hate the military for the things they see and are forced to do when overseas.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: JDC on June 17, 2012, 09:52:37 am: Quote from: Gandalf on June 17, 2012, 12:00:53 am
It just shows he is not a real soldier, and probably fake.

Not all soldiers love their ~~countries~~ governments. If fat asses in suits forced you to go abroad and hurt innocent people as opposed to honestly protecting the peace, you will hate your government too, unless something is wrong with your brain mechanisms.

Flags upside-down have been signs of protest, disrespect, and such. It's an alternative to stepping on the flag or burning it, which is on another level.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: nikos on June 17, 2012, 08:31:11 pm: Specifically for this guy on the picture I don't know the story, but what I know is that this man broke into what it is!
What I heard is that the average number in the U.S Army is one suicide per day and psychiatrists simply do not know how to deal with it ... the desert is a f**king thing ...
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Borus on June 17, 2012, 09:46:53 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on June 16, 2012, 05:24:14 pm
And he is not even smart enough to hold it the right way up ?
No American would put his own flag upside down.
An American dissident would.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Stefanrsb on June 17, 2012, 09:50:43 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on June 16, 2012, 05:24:14 pm
And he is not even smart enough to hold it the right way up ?
No American would put his own flag upside down.
Flags that are put upside down, are stolen or, showed for disrespect.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: SugarD on June 18, 2012, 02:13:01 am: Quote from: Edo on June 17, 2012, 09:46:53 pm
An American dissident would.
Correct. Not all U.S. Americans support their country...or at least it's modern form. Things have changed quite a bit here since good, ol' 1776.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on June 19, 2012, 05:04:36 pm: If I recall correctly, an upside-down flag represents chaos, which in this case could represent his state of mind or whatever he's been involved in during whatever war he may (or may not (yet)) have fought.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: stormeus on June 19, 2012, 06:32:50 pm: I believe the soldier is not presenting the flag as a form of protest. I remember reading somewhere that it was being held as evidence of someone else vandalizing the flag, and being photographed for records. There is no context; we can only make assumptions.

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I think I was just amped up because it's not dissent at all, but a recruiter showing a defaced flag (legitimate dissent for civilians) for a photo recording the incident. The photo may have been leaked from the police agency that took the report, who knows. It's a flag that was hung from a recruiting offices front windows by (presumably) a civilian overnight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/60bkh/a_soldiers_shame_pic/c05x0ip (http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/60bkh/a_soldiers_shame_pic/c05x0ip)

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I'm going to tell you right now what this picture is exactly of. It shows a recruiter holding up a flag defaced by protesters left outside a recruitment office. He's holding it up so that another recruiter can take snap a picture of this to file a police report. As a military recruiter who had to deal with people vandalizing my office, I think I have a closer connection to him than you do. But even then I don't purport to understand what he's thinking right at that moment, like you said, the medium doesn't allow for that. It's likely that he feels disgusted about the desecration of the flag regardless of what message was scrawled on there, I know I was.

But that doesn't matter. Whether it's activists scrawling f**k BUSH or George Bush writing f**k OSAMA, it doesn't matter. There is NO MESSAGE in this. It is but someone holding up a vandalized flag and another person taking a picture to fit into a police report. That's it. There's no intention. There's no meaning. No one is making a statement.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/60bkh/a_soldiers_shame_pic/c02gjxq (http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/60bkh/a_soldiers_shame_pic/c02gjxq)
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Marcell on June 20, 2012, 01:36:23 am: i'd say that government just uses inviduals feeding them with false visions of values then using them for personal gain but i know i'll just get bashed by every hater so i'll leave it as it is
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on June 22, 2012, 12:05:16 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 04, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
War.
Not many people here will be able to say they know what it is. We have some members from the Former Yugoslavian states, and some from other countries in the Middle East who have been close to it.
But most here have not the slightest idea what it is to live in a war. And while they should be happy to enjoy that situation, instead it shows that they have forgotten it can be very different.
The situation of being in a war is not just about putting bombs or like playing Counter-Strike. Most people who land unprepared in a real war, will die in 5 minutes unless someone saves them.
It looks ok in a game, but when you are in reality facing other human beings and have to choose to kill or be killed, it changes your mind forever. Nothing will be the same once you made the choice.
Many soldiers use alcohol or drugs to help their mind process their acts. Others close their mind, and human life will never again have value for them.
But there is not a single human who stays the same after being in a war.
And not just soldiers. When you live in a warzone, life has to go on. You still have to go to work, get your hands on food and live as much of your life as you can.
But while you do this, you have to listen for airplanes who might release bombs. Avoid snipers or rogue soldiers whose mind has gone so far they shot aat anything.
When you get up in the morning, you do not know if you will be alive in the evening, and wonder which person you know will die today.
When you go to sleep, you do not know if you will wake up, and what terrible news will await you.

In a war there is no winner. A country may declare victory, another may admit defeat. But everyone who has been touched by the war has lost.
Lost lives, lost part of their soul and humanity.

Those of you who see this as just a story, count yourself lucky, and hope you will never understand the full meaning.
Those who understand it, my thoughts are with you.

Whenever you feel the need to swear and flame. Whenever you wish someone disease or death. Whenever you get yourself mad about a virtual game.
Whenever you feel bullied by some words on your computer. Whenever you feel that people should do what you hope for and it did not happen.
Consider for one moment how it would be if every day you saw people disappear never to return. How it would be if you were forced to go and kill people, knowing some of them could be.
How it would be if every disconnection of a number of people could mean their houses, and maybe lives, were lost.

The coming days you may meet elderly men dressed in uniforms. They know that today's young people care more for their iPhone as for what happened a long time ago. And they do not mind, as they understand you have no idea.
If you meet them, for once do something strange. Go up to them, and thank them for what they did.
It will not restore the part of the soul they lost in war. But is will make them believe it was worth it.
+1
Been there, lived trough that. (just so someone does not get confused, i was not in army, i was preatty young back then).

Role of modern wars are extreamly diffrent from wars in the past. In the past there was honour, people respected theyre enemies.
Now, it has all changed, and only reason for war is CASH.

We must deal with it: World has become just a huuuuuge peace of CRAP!
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Grizz on June 28, 2012, 07:40:54 am: Well Spoken Gandalf, This should indeed be a lesson to the next generation.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Astaroth on June 29, 2012, 02:05:59 am: I remember 2001 when there was a civil war in 'ere. Bombs flying and what not. Was too damn fucked up to live in fear for your life and your family's life.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: XerticII on October 02, 2012, 12:09:37 pm: Very touching.
That was some really nice writing you did there.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Legolas on October 11, 2012, 11:39:14 pm: I hope noone of you will expect what war or any millitary confict is.
Title: Re: This means war.
Post by: Lionel Valdes on October 11, 2012, 11:46:20 pm: Agent, here we meet again.