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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Gimli on May 21, 2012, 09:26:20 pm
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Norway is distancing itself from its Christian past. The Storting -- the country's Parliament -- will amend the constitution so that the state no longer has an official religion, ending the 1,000-year tradition of the Church of Norway.
A parliamentary committee report presented Tuesday contains a unanimous recommendation to have the state permanently separate from the church.
All 169 members of the seven parties in Parliament, including 10 representatives from the Christian Democratic Party and 30 from the Conservative Party, are said to be behind the move, according to a report from TV2.
The government will no longer have a minister of churches, and the state will no longer be responsible for the appointment of bishops and deans.
Instead, Norway will treat all religions and philosophies equally.
"The state will no longer engage in religious activities, but support the Norwegian church, national church and other religious and belief communities in line with it," reports NRK.
The Church of Norway is evangelical Lutheran and says on its website around 86% of the population are baptized members.
The amendments are expected to be formally passed Monday.
Source: http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2012/05/15/19761421.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2012/05/15/19761421.html)
Being an agnostic atheist, I see this as a positive thing, as it will decrease government spending and stop those that don't believe in the Christian god from being forced to indirectly (through taxation) support something they don't believe in.
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Very modern and sensible. :hurray:
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If it is not instigated by pressure from other religions, I applaud the move.
Unfortunately in many countries the reverse seems to be happening.
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Norway? Bitch Please !!! Sweden runs the world =)
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That can be said as a good start. I hope there won't be extreme responses by right wing - ethnicist / religious groups seeing Norway had one of the worst of incidents with the Norway bombing / Utoya massacre. On the other hand the church should be treated by the people instead of giving it a minister to run itself. This is how it almost works in Greece and our church could pay up the whole debt if it wanted to but they use it for business in the name of church. I don't however deny that there are good hearted priests and religious fathers.
Norway? bad girl Please !!! Sweden runs the world =)
What does that have to do with the topic anyway :trust:
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Good old religion and politics help the world so much. :roll:
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That can be said as a good start. I hope there won't be extreme responses by right wing - ethnicist / religious groups seeing Norway had one of the worst of incidents with the Norway bombing / Utoya massacre. On the other hand the church should be treated by the people instead of giving it a minister to run itself. This is how it almost works in Greece and our church could pay up the whole debt if it wanted to but they use it for business in the name of church. I don't however deny that there are good hearted priests and religious fathers.
What does that have to do with the topic anyway :trust:
If our Church was taxxed, civilians wouldn't have to pay a single cent. Church is even worse than politicians, they make so much money in a day...
Good move for Norway!
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(http://thewiddershins2.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/tumblr_lyivrsroyb1qeawdho1_500.jpg)
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I don't like it.
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People can now pick a religion.
It's all good, how can you not like it.
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People can now pick a religion.
It's all good, how can you not like it.
They were always free to pick one.
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Either the Norweigan Church lost its political relevance or there is better competition around.
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Either the Norweigan Church lost its political relevance or there is better competition around.
Norway, 2030
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/The_Holy_Mosque_in_Mecca.jpg/220px-The_Holy_Mosque_in_Mecca.jpg)
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All of the flags from Scandinavian country's are based on the cross,which used to have some meaning to them,as it show's some kind of a bastion.
Its sad to see this.
Church preserved my nation in there darkest moments ,so we got to thank her for that,and that's just one of the reasons why it should always be there.
You lose you're faith,you lose you're nationality,whats next after that you're family.
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Church preserved my nation in there darkest moments ,so we got to thank her for that,and that's just one of the reasons why it should always be there.
Then thank the church by donating to it. But don't force it on people that have different beliefs.
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God forbid :D,what forcing.
My people and church never led crusades,that's not the point,Im just saying that they want to achieve some equality trough this.
But equality is only a dead letter on paper.
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If the Scandinavian nations' flags were all based on the cross, then it indicates the presence of Christian elements in their history and heritage.
The recent move to drop having an "Official" religion is okay, as long as atheists or members of other religions will not lobby to have official renditions of culture / heritage amended by removing all Christian elements from it, such as the cross on the flag. While having a state religion is one thing, erasing traces of religion from society is something else.
For instance, the Philippines is a dominantly Roman Catholic religion, but neither the state or the church has tried to erase the fact that our ancestors in the pre-spanish era were pagans and muslims.
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They can not take away something you have in you,a sense.Anyway they can go with this and slowly start erasing,but slowly,because you can not go any faster and as they say time changes everything and winner's write the history.
They did that here with the introduction of communism,but the idea backfired after 50 years.
Who know's we will see where this will lead.
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If the Scandinavian nations' flags were all based on the cross, then it indicates the presence of Christian elements in their history and heritage.
The recent move to drop having an "Official" religion is okay, as long as atheists or members of other religions will not lobby to have official renditions of culture / heritage amended by removing all Christian elements from it, such as the cross on the flag. While having a state religion is one thing, erasing traces of religion from society is something else.
For instance, the Philippines is a dominantly Roman Catholic religion, but neither the state or the church has tried to erase the fact that our ancestors in the pre-spanish era were pagans and muslims.
Institutionalised religion is nothing but a political tool. Religion itself as a whole is a political tool.
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Norway is distancing itself from its Christian past. The Storting -- the country's Parliament -- will amend the constitution so that the state no longer has an official religion, ending the 1,000-year tradition of the Church of Norway.
A parliamentary committee report presented Tuesday contains a unanimous recommendation to have the state permanently separate from the church.
All 169 members of the seven parties in Parliament, including 10 representatives from the Christian Democratic Party and 30 from the Conservative Party, are said to be behind the move, according to a report from TV2.
The government will no longer have a minister of churches, and the state will no longer be responsible for the appointment of bishops and deans.
Instead, Norway will treat all religions and philosophies equally.
"The state will no longer engage in religious activities, but support the Norwegian church, national church and other religious and belief communities in line with it," reports NRK.
The Church of Norway is evangelical Lutheran and says on its website around 86% of the population are baptized members.
The amendments are expected to be formally passed Monday.
Source: http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2012/05/15/19761421.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2012/05/15/19761421.html)
Being an agnostic atheist, I see this as a positive thing, as it will decrease government spending and stop those that don't believe in the Christian god from being forced to indirectly (through taxation) support something they don't believe in.
Out of all things... I see posts that say grat's and encoureage them...
That is compleatly WRONG!
Religion is ONE THING that you should NEVER GET RID OFF!
For the love of GOD! They are SPITING in face of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEYRE ANTSESTERS! Theyre antsesters are now ROLLING IN GRAVES out of fury!!!
Holy shit, norway UMAD?!Very modern and sensible. :hurray:
I seriously cannot bealive that you support something JUST BECAUSE IT IS MODERN! Jcstodds, i have a feeling that if they tell you that now using heroin is "modern" and "legal", and cheap, you would start doing it like crasy...
Looks like it is going to be that "like an atheist near death" case, but this time for the whole country...
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Then thank the church by donating to it. But don't force it on people that have different beliefs.
Well said. :D
Institutionalised religion is nothing but a political tool. Religion itself as a whole is a political tool.
I don't really see how religion can help politics, of course theres a reason but I don't know. :roll:
They can not take away something you have in you,a sense.Anyway they can go with this and slowly start erasing,but slowly,because you can not go any faster and as they say time changes everything and winner's write the history.
They did that here with the introduction of communism,but the idea backfired after 50 years.
Who know's we will see where this will lead.
Religion is 'in you'? No no, religion is something you choose, myself chooses not to be involved with religion.
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I don't know about your ancestors, but afaik Norways ancestors were pillaging and burning churches long before it was cool.
You missunderstood me.
What i ment was that it is wrong to get rid of RELIGION, official religion a country. They burned churches because they had another paganistic religion.
What will make theyre antcesters angry is getting rid of OFFICIAL religion, and by that country does not have an OFFICIAL religion. That is "Modern" but "modern" aint always wright.
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If it is not instigated by pressure from other religions, I applaud the move.
This would be my worry.
Sometimes it is necessary to accept the (slightly) lesser evil of a traditional christian establishment in order to protect against a more violent (whether literally or culturally) religion.
I don't really see how religion can help politics, of course theres a reason but I don't know. :roll:
Religion is made to control the uneducated masses in a simple and cheap way. With the threat of eternal damnation at the end of life, the state theoretically need not even hire a police force to prevent crime as everyone will be too fearful of the imaginary consequences.
In practice, however, there is no population that is that so unanimously stupid as to allow themselves to be completely controlled by religion. Nonetheless, it remains a useful political tool (amongst others) that politicians can use to gain easy votes.
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Religion is made to control the uneducated masses in a simple and cheap way. With the threat of eternal damnation at the end of life, the state theoretically need not even hire a police force to prevent crime as everyone will be too fearful of the imaginary consequences.
In practice, however, there is no population that is that so unanimously stupid as to allow themselves to be completely controlled by religion. Nonetheless, it remains a useful political tool (amongst others) that politicians can use to gain easy votes.
Ah I see, I see. :D
Thanks for explaining.
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If anything, the ancestors would be more pleased with the removal of the religion rather than at unrest, because the advent of that religion erased the customs which the ancestors (vikings) practiced, therefore subjugating them to Christianity.
"It enslaved our kids and turned them from our ways, so it is nice to see they finally threw off that yoke."
Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-religious / atheist. I am agnostic, and therefore open to the possibility that any existing Supreme Being could have created the world through what we know as science,
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This is good news.
Politics and religion is two different things.
In my opinion, having one religion as an official religion is absured.
Religions should be neutral in politics and in nationalism.
Lets say in World War 2 - Catholics killed other Catholics because of nationalism.
They even supported warfare!
That is why any religion should be neutral to politics and nationalism!
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I don't know how people can spend their lives supporting religions, going to church or whatever everyday and praying for something that may not exist..
It's just crazy in my eyes.
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I don't know how people can spend their lives supporting religions, going to church or whatever everyday and praying for something that may not exist..
It's just crazy in my eyes.
It's either because you've never been to church or your family was never religious. Or because you're just open minded.
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This thing is some fucked up shit.
Most of the norwegians in Norway is already tired to death by the immigrants just walking right in, and now we will just let go of our religion??
Man, even some of the black dogs who come here to "work", do something illegal, like.. Raping one of our poor kids to be sent to jail, just because jail in Norway is like.. 57 and a half X better than the living he could make back in his banana country.
No hate/racism intended, it's just the truth, and it's bad.
Now, of course 80% of the immigrants get here and do a job well done, and some even gets to know other people, which is, positive I guess.
Just sayin'
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Well if you look at that then we all should abandon our religion and turn back to pagan,since we all come from there...
and what sacrifice goats,fuck goats and hail to the ancient goods.
Not that Im not proud on my Slavic background,its a big part in my history but first Im a man,second a Serb,third a Orthodox christian and fourth a Slav.
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Indeed. Let's all believe in Harry Potter instead.
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This thing is some f**ked up shit.
Most of the norwegians in Norway is already tired to death by the immigrants just walking right in, and now we will just let go of our religion??
Man, even some of the black dogs who come here to "work", do something illegal, like.. Raping one of our poor kids to be sent to jail, just because jail in Norway is like.. 57 and a half X better than the living he could make back in his banana country.
No hate/racism intended, it's just the truth, and it's bad.
Now, of course 80% of the immigrants get here and do a job well done, and some even gets to know other people, which is, positive I guess.
Just sayin'
It's similar in the UK too, immigrents come here, fuck the brains out of eachother, have about 10 kids and claim child benefits, then the UK can't remove them as their kids were born in the UK which makes them British citizens, the UK is busy cutting benefits off people that are native to the UK whilst immigrents are moving in and getting a shitload of kids for no other reason than to get money and sit on their fat lazy asses, if I ever gained control of the UK, I'de evict every immigrent whos came in just to have 8 kids and claim benefits, it fucks me off so bad, I'm not a racist so don't call me one, but I will say it's mainly black people doing exactly this, while others come in, sit on job seekers, steal from the hard working British citizens and have the police which are funding by the working British citizens chase after them.
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It's similar in the UK too, immigrents come here, f**k the brains out of eachother, have about 10 kids and claim child benefits, then the UK can't remove them as their kids were born in the UK which makes them British citizens, the UK is busy cutting benefits off people that are native to the UK whilst immigrents are moving in and getting a shitload of kids for no other reason than to get money and sit on their fat lazy asses, if I ever gained control of the UK, I'de evict every immigrent whos came in just to have 8 kids and claim benefits, it f**ks me off so bad, I'm not a racist so don't call me one, but I will say it's mainly black people doing exactly this, while others come in, sit on job seekers, steal from the hard working British citizens and have the police which are funding by the working British citizens chase after them.
they're part of your so great commonwealth so immigrating to your country is the same as living in their own.
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You misunderstood me, Norwegian ancestors are vikings, they are celebrating the removal of the 'official' religion.
Again you missunderstood me. They are angry because now THERE IS NO official religion. Basicly, they say that they are now atheists.
Having no religion... It is just a BAAAAAD thing. Throwing thousands of years of history for nothing. (and when i say thousands i mean because now they are throwing away EVERY SINGLE RELIGION THEY HAD.)
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Wow, I applause. I wish the same thing would happen in Poland, why should church allow/not allow people to execute abortion process if they are not christian at all?
aleksander gojkovic, with your every post you sound even more hilarious...thousands of years of history for nothing, go make shit in the woods instead of using modern toilet seat, after all that's respect for history..
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If any Norweigian can answer this I'd appreciate.
Is religion class taught in your school? Does this decision has the religion class removed completely?
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The sooner other countries follow Norway on this the better.
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Again you missunderstood me. They are angry because now THERE IS NO official religion. Basicly, they say that they are now atheists.
So if the government no longer financially supports a religion, that means everyone becomes an atheist...?
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about immigration
What else should Norway expect after years of bragging about ''highest human development'' in world? Judging how prisons work in there (z0mg veri haigh human respekt prizonz...) it seems really easy to exploit your country's system.
Go to Norway, do crime, go to jail, spend rest of your life in a three-star hotel laughing at how the legal ones pay taxes to sustain your luxury life. For bored people there is just no better choice.
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Wow, I applause. I wish the same thing would happen in Poland, why should church allow/not allow people to execute abortion process if they are not christian at all?
aleksander gojkovic, with your every post you sound even more hilarious...thousands of years of history for nothing, go make shit in the woods instead of using modern toilet seat, after all that's respect for history..
Yes, i will do that. I bealive that amma crap out a new family member for you. If you think that thousands of years of history aint important, than please, go to nearest gun store, buy an ak47, shove it up your ass AND EMPTY WHOLE FUCKIN MAGAZINE IN YOUR ASS!
Religion and history are things that people should NEVER get rid off! Also, next to that, you should have never
So if the government no longer financially supports a religion, that means everyone becomes an atheist...?
Heck no! But there are some morons wich will blindly follow goverment. Those stupid people...
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So if the government no longer financially supports a religion, that means everyone becomes an atheist...?
Yeah Agree
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Heck no! But there are some morons wich will blindly follow goverment. Those stupid people...
I could easily replace the word government with the word religion in this quote, but I choose to respect the views of others. It'd be nice if you did too.
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What else should Norway expect after years of bragging about ''highest human development'' in world? Judging how prisons work in there (z0mg veri haigh human respekt prizonz...) it seems really easy to exploit your country's system.
Go to Norway, do crime, go to jail, spend rest of your life in a three-star hotel laughing at how the legal ones pay taxes to sustain your luxury life. For bored people there is just no better choice.
You know what?
Its better to invest some money on people that have made a mistake, even murders and such.
Because we have no life sentence, all of them are coming out one day and what will happend if we dont give them a good place where they can prepare for their freedom?
They will repeat crimes and there we go again..
But on the other hand..
Flat screen TV's in every prison cell might be to good, but contries do have different standars.
Read about the Prisons here:
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/n/norways-luxury-prison.html (http://www.binscorner.com/pages/n/norways-luxury-prison.html)
If any Norweigian can answer this I'd appreciate.
Is religion class taught in your school? Does this decision has the religion class removed completely?
Yes, and as we got more immigrants and more varaity of religions (muslims and so on)
the system changed from Christian(KRL) studies to Religion and humanity(RLE) or so in school.
And no the religion class never got removed.
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Then thank the church by donating to it. But don't force it on people that have different beliefs.
You missunderstood him really.
Religion is one of the parts of every nation's tradition, its history and even its mentality. In most countries that are not radical, no one forces you to stick to beliefs that you don't accept, its your own choice, but the religion of that country is important as part of its heritage, as much as the language, culture, and everything that goes with it. Even if you're agnostic, that religion represents your nation, even if you personelly have nothing to do with it, and do not believe in it, you should at least respect it, as part of your heritege.
I don't like it, cause its another step forward to bad part of globalisation, forcly erasing the differences between nations, by cutting out the origins history and tradition of every nation, to something new in which we all should speak same language, share same opinion, same culture, same way of life.
The differences between nations should be respected and liked cause they're unique, not turning everyone into a global nation, that suit the current world order.
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Yes, i will do that. I bealive that amma crap out a new family member for you. If you think that thousands of years of history aint important, than please, go to nearest gun store, buy an ak47, shove it up your ass AND EMPTY WHOLE f**kIN MAGAZINE IN YOUR ASS!
How very Christian of you.
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So if the government no longer financially supports a religion, that means everyone becomes an atheist...?
QFT.
Heck no! But there are some morons wich will blindly follow goverment. Those stupid people...
Religion is the biggest scam in history; those who you consider "stupid" would most likely leave anyhow. Both in Sweden and Norway, the amount of christians drops rapidly.
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QFT.Religion is the biggest scam in history; those who you consider "stupid" would most likely leave anyhow. Both in Sweden and Norway, the amount of christians drops rapidly.
False.
86 precente of the citizens in Norway are christian.
and it has been stable for the last years.
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False.
86 precente of the citizens in Norway are christian.
and it has been stable for the last years.
You're not a christian just becuase your parents took you to a church, placed some water on you and told you that "you are now <insert name>". You are obviously seeing the wrong picture of you own country.
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False.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf (http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf)
2005 studies showed only 32% of norwegians believed there was a god.
http://www.nsd.uib.no/nsd/nsdnytt/06-1/2.html (http://www.nsd.uib.no/nsd/nsdnytt/06-1/2.html)
Also only 12% of the population attends church.
Just to make sure, I double checked the amount of members of the norwegian church, it's less then 80% of the population, not to mention 1/3'rd out of those are not christians, and out of the other 2/3'rds only 0.5/3'rd practices christianity (My assumption).
I'm registered to the swedish church, so is my entire family (including grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc), only two practice christianity, and out of the rest only half identifies themselves as christians.
(It's also a BIG family, italians aint got shit on us)
My statement was based on the membership of the church in Norway.
If the people being a member of the church really belive in god and so on is a different story.
Apologize if my statement wasnt fully hundreed precente, blame my five year old outdated school book :lol:
You're not a christian just becuase your parents took you to a church, placed some water on you and told you that "you are now <insert name>". You are obviously seeing the wrong picture of you own country.
I do know that, as I said I was stating the membership of the church, and I know my way of telling wasnt the best..
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It's important to maintain a clear separation of church and state. If they can be one of the ones to pull it off (and not just let it continue in the background as has happened in other countries), hats off to them. I just hope the move was as a result of thinking, not of pressure.
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YOu all look so joyful about sudden fall of Christianity,Im sure that they caused so much trouble to you and people who are close to you.
I wish you all the best in the future and I want you all to get overpopulated with the refugee scum,after that you gona kiss the cross every single day.
you can skip right to 3:45 there are some interesting facts
Europe in 2029 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrltK9cGo8#)
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YOu all look so joyful about sudden fall of Christianity,Im sure that they caused so much trouble to you and people who are close to you.
I wish you all the best in the future and I want you all to get overpopulated with the refugee scum,after that you gona kiss the cross every single day.
you can skip right to 3:45 there are some interesting facts
Europe in 2029 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrltK9cGo8#)
You know by posting this, your views of the society looks VERY fimiliar to Anders Behring Breiviks views.. If you know who that is and what he has done..
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You know by posting this, your views of the society looks VERY fimiliar to Anders Behring Breiviks views.. If you know who that is and what he has done..
His views are good.
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YOu all look so joyful about sudden fall of Christianity,Im sure that they caused so much trouble to you and people who are close to you.
I wish you all the best in the future and I want you all to get overpopulated with the refugee scum,after that you gona kiss the cross every single day.
you can skip right to 3:45 there are some interesting facts
Europe in 2029 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrltK9cGo8#)
Nothing about the UK, so all good. :D
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The guy who shot and killed a large group of predominantly norwegian teenagers has good views?
His deeds and his psychological reasons for doing it have no straight connection to his views.
The killings that he performed were terrible. But his views on Islamisation and so on are true.
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His deeds and his psychological reasons for doing it have no straight connection to his views.
His deeds are directly connected to his views, otherwise he wouldn't have attacked Norwegian young socialists for god sakes.
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His deeds are directly connected to his views, otherwise he wouldn't have attacked Norwegian young socialists for god sakes.
You can disagree with what he has done, but you can't deny facts that his theory is based on.
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You can disagree with what he has done, but you can't deny facts that his theory is based on.
Disagree? You do know we are not talking about whether G-strings or C-strings look better on women, but killing innocent young people.
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Disagree? You do know we are not talking about whether strings or thongs look better on women, but killing innocent young people.
I do not find it a good thing that he killed all of those children.
Once again, it's terrible.
But let's be honest, it made his theory stand out to the public like no other way possible.
He wanted fame on his theories and he got it.
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Western Europe is once again walking towards Nazism.
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His views are good.
Indeed.
The guy who shot and killed a large group of predominantly norwegian teenagers has good views?
His actions were misguided and wrong, but his cause was good.
Western Europe is once again walking towards Nazism.
It may be the only way.
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Really? How can nazism/racism or whatever you call that idelogy, be good?
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His deeds and his psychological reasons for doing it have no straight connection to his views.
The killings that he performed were terrible. But his views on Islamisation and so on are true.
Why are you even using the hammer and sickle symbol then? Communism supports multiculturalism.
Indeed.
It may be the only way.
The only way for?
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Western Europe is once again walking towards Nazism.
National socialism is dead and cannot possibly return from a realistic point of view. Don't see why you're implying that Western Europe would supposedly ''once again walk towards nazism''. First of all, an individual cannot represent Western Europe as a whole. Second, I don't really see why you're involving national socialism in here -at all-, but it's probably because some of the above might be considered extremistic, which you somehow link to nazism? Just because certain views have stuff in common, doesn't mean they're the same.
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Why are you even using the hammer and sickle symbol then? Communism supports multiculturalism.
Communism supports "a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production.".
It doesn't support a religion taking over an existing state.
Breivik points out that Islamisation will potentionally take down Norway, or even other European countries.
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National socialism is dead and cannot possibly return from a realistic point of view. Don't see why you're implying that Western Europe would supposedly ''once again walk towards nazism''.
Hmm, with this in mind - Dolfa, how probable it is that Golden Dawn would get greater power in Greece?
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^I wouldn't mind having a little black kid of my own one day, go africa!
Man Im a big fan of ebony as well..dont mix me with something.
I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the color/religion ,problem is in this large migrations.Id love to go on a tour trough say Asia or America(only south maybe L.A :D ) but I would never stay there to live,because that's not my home,they are not my people and I would be second-class citizen
for my whole life,regardless how much money you made you would still 2nd.
Excursions are good,meting new cultures and nation's.I ,myself,was a host to couple of Russians for the last 6-7-8 days,just ask Cofi we were guides one of a kind :D
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Man Im a big fan of ebony as well..dont mix me with something.
I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the color/religion ,problem is in this large migrations.Id love to go on a tour trough say Asia or America(only south maybe L.A :D ) but I would never stay there to live,because that's not my home,they are not my people and I would be second-class citizen
for my whole life,regardless how much money you made you would still 2nd.
Excursions are good,meting new cultures and nation's.I ,myself,was a host to couple of Russians for the last 6-7-8 days,just ask Cofi we were guides one of a kind :D
Unless of course you move to a country thats pretty much just a mixture of the rest of the world, then with your logic everyone is 2nd class? :P
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Unless of course you move to a country thats pretty much just a mixture of the rest of the world, then with your logic everyone is 2nd class? :P
Yes, but the rest of the world doesn't want to have a mixture of nation like USA and Canada.
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Hmm, with this in mind - Dolfa, how probable it is that Golden Dawn would get greater power in Greece?
The rise of Golden Dawn is idiotic and our ex governments are there to blame. Whilst they have offered a damn bad education and false media reports it's actually the youth who are pissed off at the old governments (Pasok - New Democracy) and voting for Golden Dawn. From age groups 18-34 Golden Dawn comes as second highest which can really tell a lot. At one point, in a press conference of their leader all the TV Reporters were asked to stand up and salute him to pay tribute, and those who refused were escorted out of the room by being pushed over. Their ideology says its nationalism and they are battling to survive what's left from Greece, but I doubt their justifying - stabbing immigrants or left wing members is reasonable to what countrymen should do. They have 21 parliamentary seats about now, even though some pre election gallops show they've fallen quite a bit I am sure it is eligible of arising to a greater percent in the next elections, they have a good propaganda and recruitment system.
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like USA and Canada.
Bigest nations without true nationality.
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Bigest nations without true nationality.
Yup, Canada has no true nationality... ( well you can consider 1st nations to be the original people of the country but thats a different issue) But look at us now, we allow for a mixture of the world in one place and we are known to be one of the most peaceful and accepting nations on the planet. I don't know about you, but I prefer peace and acceptance over war and discrimination any day, and the only way to achieve this is to become a global community not a world of segregation.
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Speaking matter-of-factly, USA Citizens and Canadians are basically British, French, Native American, Spanish, Russian, and people from many other countries, who have a "new nationality" after a few centuries of mixed breeding. It's basically all Immigrant Country, except for the Native Americans; the only race who we can actually call pure-blooded Americans.
But that's beside the point. Norway, on the other hand, is historically Norweigian and European.
As much as I am not racist, I don't exactly support the blurring between all races as it removes a historically vital uniqueness from Humanity. Imagine if we bred all dogs so there'd be only one breed, it won't be as good.
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I guess you all expect me to reply, so.
As the non-religious person I am, I have no problem with this, and the changes that will be the result of this will not be that big. The only difference that we will hear of is that the state will no longer finance the church, and the state will no longer elect the bishops and other fancy titles.
I was kind of waiting for this, as I am supporting religious freedom and individual freedom to a certain point. This is a huge step in the right direction to comprehend with the mass-cultural society we are becoming. This has in no way been "pushed" on by other religions, but truth be told, religion and state has nothing to do with each other.
Post Merge: May 25, 2012, 05:45:21 pm
If the Scandinavian nations' flags were all based on the cross, then it indicates the presence of Christian elements in their history and heritage.
The recent move to drop having an "Official" religion is okay, as long as atheists or members of other religions will not lobby to have official renditions of culture / heritage amended by removing all Christian elements from it, such as the cross on the flag. While having a state religion is one thing, erasing traces of religion from society is something else.
For instance, the Philippines is a dominantly Roman Catholic religion, but neither the state or the church has tried to erase the fact that our ancestors in the pre-spanish era were pagans and muslims.
The cross in our flag is representing the old scandinavian union (Kalmar (?) Union).
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I was kind of waiting for this, as I am supporting religious freedom and individual freedom to a certain point. This is a huge step in the right direction
You mean left direction.
Akse, its normal that you by living in a multi-cultural society, accept this and you even waited for this as you said, since you're a non-religious person, but the problem is if most Norwegian origin people back off from it like you, and most of the islamic immigrants don't back off from their religion (like they rearly do, which is something for respect), in 15-20 years you're gonna be living in a country that's mostly Islamistic.
I really wanna know how will you feel, if one day you realise that your own country, that's on the far north of Europe(away from the original muslim countries), become majority muslim country?
I'm not critisising or anything, Im just honestly wondering on your toughts about it.
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You mean left direction.
Akse, its normal that you by living in a multi-cultural society, accept this and you even waited for this as you said, since you're a non-religious person, but the problem is if most Norwegian origin people back off from it like you, and most of the islamic immigrants don't back off from their religion (like they rearly do, which is something for respect), in 15-20 years you're gonna be living in a country that's mostly Islamistic.
I really wanna know how will you feel, if one day you realise that your own country, that's on the far north of Europe(away from the original muslim countries), become majority muslim country?
I'm not critisising or anything, Im just honestly wondering on your toughts about it.
I mean right as in correct.
A multicultural society is a correct society. What is wrong with islam spreading to northern countries? Christians has done it since the beginning, hasn't they? I would of course prefer if Norway stayed the way it is today, with a couple of changes in the education and school politics, and some more, but I doubt Norway will become an Islamic state with Sharialaws instead of our constitution, for example. We Norwegians are proud of our history, but the thing with our people is that we are not as outgoing as the rest of Europe. We like to keep our feelings inside, as you could see very clear after 22. July. The only people that reacted back with violence was a person with background from Iran.
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Separation of church and state is fine. But shar'ia in Norway?
Please, no. :devroll:
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Separation of church and state is fine. But shar'ia in Norway?
Please, no. :devroll:
Indeed. I wouldn't like it either :(
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Separation of church and state is fine. But shar'ia in Norway?
Please, no. :devroll:
Why are everyone scared of islamination of Norway?
I mean, swedish and poland's are the majority of the immigrations.. :redface:
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Speaking matter-of-factly, USA Citizens and Canadians are basically British, French, Native American, Spanish, Russian, and people from many other countries, who have a "new nationality" after a few centuries of mixed breeding. It's basically all Immigrant Country, except for the Native Americans; the only race who we can actually call pure-blooded Americans.
But that's beside the point. Norway, on the other hand, is historically Norweigian and European.
As much as I am not racist, I don't exactly support the blurring between all races as it removes a historically vital uniqueness from Humanity. Imagine if we bred all dogs so there'd be only one breed, it won't be as good.
Well its up to the country isn't it? If a country wants to prevent this "Blurring" between races then that is their right to do as long as they dont start infringing on human rights. My example of Canada being this mixture of races is solely to show that countries can successfully operate by promoting a mixture of the world. Hell, people immigrate here because they want that type of life, well others stay in their home countries becuase they want to preserve their history.
In regards to separating the Church from State, it does not remove a part of history from the country, it just opens up the opportunity for those of other faiths to become involved with the way their country is run without a fear of bias.
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A multicultural society is a correct society.
The only people that reacted back with violence was a person with background from Iran.
but the problem is if most Norwegian origin people back off from it like you, and most of the islamic immigrants don't back off from theirs
My point exactly. Lets face it, it would be surprising if someone of Norwegian origin did it, but from all people in Norway, a guy who's origins are from Iran did it.
Its not something that's connected with religion only, but the mentality and way of thinking of different nations. Its not in your mentality to react back with violence, but that's not the case with the immigrants of different religion, tradition, mentality (Not everyone of course, but generally speaking), except if they're well integrated into the society, but no matter how much they are intergrated, they'll still wont back off from their religion, cause its more then a religion for their poeple, its a way of life, way of thinking.
You on the other hand will give it up, cause of which they'll have the advantage from the start, specially if they turn out to be a religion majority in Norway, and by the looks of it, they'll on the good path.
Even Angela Merker was saying that multicultural societies is a fail project, because the immigrants stick to their religion/tradition/close society and doesn't want bigger integration into the society then need it, while the Germans give everything open, strongly believing that they'll manage to adjust them and that price is huge.
That's what that retard Breivik discovered and those were his views, that no one can decline to be false, just like no one can in any way, support or not condemned his actions of butchering those young people, cause of his twisted retarded mind.
For you(your people), multiculturalism is above all, even your religion as we see it, for them their religion and tradition is is above everything and there's no question about it.
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My point exactly. Lets face it, it would be surprising if someone of Norwegian origin did it, but from all people in Norway, a guy who's origins are from Iran did it.
Pretty much, yeah. I, for one, tends to say what I feel. Probably why I got elected to be the leader of the Norwegian Socialistic Youth in Telemark (state).
Even Angela Merker was saying that multicultural societies is a fail project, because the immigrants stick to their religion/tradition/close society and doesn't want bigger integration into the society then need it, while the Germans give everything open, strongly believing that they'll manage to adjust them and that price is huge.
Don't forget that integration goes both ways. "Strongly believing that they'll manage to adjust them" - sounds extremely wrong. More like a nazi regime, to be honest. What the youngest generation in Norway has understood is that integration goes both ways. We have to respect the foreigners and their thoughts, as they have to respect ours. The integration system in Norway is horrible, and that's on my agenda at the moment. On a local plan, of course.
Yet, I fully understand that my opinion on this is far from yours, Cofi, as I am not religious, and you're an orthodox christian.
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My point exactly. Lets face it, it would be surprising if someone of Norwegian origin did it, but from all people in Norway, a guy who's origins are from Iran did it.
Its not something that's connected with religion only, but the mentality and way of thinking of different nations. Its not in your mentality to react back with violence, but that's not the case with the immigrants of different religion, tradition, mentality (Not everyone of course, but generally speaking), except if they're well integrated into the society, but no matter how much they are intergrated, they'll still wont back off from their religion, cause its more then a religion for their poeple, its a way of life, way of thinking.
You on the other hand will give it up, cause of which they'll have the advantage from the start, specially if they turn out to be a religion majority in Norway, and by the looks of it, they'll on the good path.
Even Angela Merker was saying that multicultural societies is a fail project, because the immigrants stick to their religion/tradition/close society and doesn't want bigger integration into the society then need it, while the Germans give everything open, strongly believing that they'll manage to adjust them and that price is huge.
That's what that retard Breivik discovered and those were his views, that no one can decline to be false, just like no one can in any way, support or not condemned his actions of butchering those young people, cause of his twisted retarded mind.
For you(your people), multiculturalism is above all, even your religion as we see it, for them their religion and tradition is is above everything and there's no question about it.
Cofi brings up a good point. Many immigrants move to a country for "a better life" or "new opportunities" but they fail to understand that they no longer live in the society they used to live in. They expect us to conform to them instead of them conforming to the society THEY are joining. And they get away with it because we let them, we give them the opportunity to know we will back off first. Without an immigration system that forces immigrants to understand that religion or cultural dominance is not accepted, all you get is what cofi explained.
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But in the end my grandfather's mill got biger,older and much more interesting history then then the whole Canadian history. :D
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But in the end my grandfather's mill got biger,older and much more interesting history then then the whole Canadian history. :D
>implying you know anything about Canadian History.
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Implying
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Implying
Implying what?
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Implying what?
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Implying
Please find something else to do
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For example Elementary school,high school North America/Canada.
News,television,internet,casual chat,everyday life..
+ south park :)
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For example Elementary school,high school North America/Canada.
News,television,internet,casual chat,everyday life..
+ south park :)
What are you..?
Are you even trying to form sentences?
short tl;dr: wat
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For example Elementary school,high school North America/Canada.
News,television,internet,casual chat,everyday life..
+ south park :)
Just stop before you make a fool out of yourself
PS: We are the foolish - General Fiasco
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nikos just quoted panda several times in a row guys
i still don't get it
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Im trying to reply from my phone,and its Nokia C2-01,and its fucked up.
I dont got time to waste on my computer,just wanted to reply to Mooseman,while panda is trying to be smart and beat my arguments by pointing out my bad grammer.
And if you all took me for seriouse on my "mill" post then aplaud you.
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I don't think Panda was trying to be 'smart' through pointing out your grammar. It was more that he couldn't understand a word you was saying because of it.
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Someone asked me how do I know Canadian history and I said elementary and high school(as in we had number of lesions about Canadian history,culture etc. etc.)
aaand we went way real of topic ,so...
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Oh, now I understand you. In that post you just put "For example" followed by a list of things - kind of hard to draw anything from that. But then again, your phone man, your goddamn phone.
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while panda is trying to be smart and beat my arguments by pointing out my bad grammer.
There's a difference between bad grammar and dropping random words together with seemingly no intended coherence of any sort.
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There's a difference between bad grammar and dropping random words together with seemingly no intended coherence of any sort.
For one you get an F in school for the other you will be called a great artist of the generation.
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For one you get an F in school for the other you will be called a great artist of the generation.
Compute, this does not.
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Compute, this does not.
Random paint splashes: art.
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Random paint splashes: art.
BIG MUNY!!!
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Random paint splashes: art.
If you use paint splashes as a medium to convey emotion, how is it not art?
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If you use paint splashes as a medium to convey emotion, how is it not art?
Anyone can splash paint though, and you have people going 'Wow, amazing, I see what it means' seriously what a load of crap.
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Anyone can splash paint though, and you have people going 'Wow, amazing, I see what it means' seriously what a load of crap.
Anyone can make art. :D
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If you use paint splashes as a medium to convey emotion, how is it not art?
Because... it's just random splashes. I could go and headbutt a wooden door, and if I made some neat looking cracks in the wood, would you consider that conveying anger whilst creating art?
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Because... it's just random splashes. I could go and headbutt a wooden door, and if I made some neat looking cracks in the wood, would you consider that conveying anger whilst creating art?
Yes, it's art on a very basic level, but art nonetheless.
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Do you consider what you do in the toilet to be art? :trust:
It's just you could say anything is art.. Oh look, smiley face art! :D
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AS a christian, a believer one, i say that this is a pretty modern and good decision
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It's just you could say anything is art..
Welcome to postmodernism!
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Welcome to postmodernism!
Western Europe is once again walking towards Nazism.
I am really curiouse on HOW DA FUCK did this topic go from relligion trough western europe and nazi's TO FREAKIN MODERN ART?!