Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [RM]DRIFT_WORLD_ on May 30, 2012, 04:37:20 pm
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I have seen many people saying that in RS.5 we will lose every belongings and something like that.And some says that we will not loose anything except our $$$.
So the purpose of starting this topic was to tell the players about my thinking...
First of all we better look at rich people.They got mansions/cars/helicopters/planes and etc.
So do you believe that in RS.5 they will loose their $$$ cars/cribs?Do you?.No,according to my thinking players will not loose their stuff`s.For instance:A player playing argonath since 2 or 3 years.Do you think that if we loose everything then they will also loose their /whenmade ???No this can`t be.
I think the scripters will save all the data of all players and then transfer it to RS.5
That`s all what i got in my mind right now. :)
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If you'd have searched, you'd see the topic with the information regarding RS5.
inb4lock
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I doubt that they will divide players to old or new and therefore save their belongings.. if they are to reset it, they'll do it for all with exception of houses I think.
Anyways I'm really looking forward to a reset, since we have a lot 'lazy-asses' nowdays :P
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I doubt that they will divide players to old or new and therefore save their belongings.. if they are to reset it, they'll do it for all with exception of houses I think.
Anyways I'm really looking forward to a reset, since we have a lot 'lazy-asses' nowdays :P
-Yeah reset everything except our /whenmade because we are proud to have the /whenmade also my /whenmade mean more to me than my cash.
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The /whenmade is something that will certainly be reset.
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Oh no.Well i think that our whole belongings should be wiped out except /whenmade.
I really agree that we have something to proud on it.
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Oh no.Well i think that our whole belongings should be wiped out except /whenmade.
I really agree that we have something to proud on it.
People are putting way too much value on this date, which is exactly why it should be removed.
Argonath has always had the policy that new and old players are equally valuabe, and the fixation on /whenmade disturbs that policy.
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Your when made is simply a date nothing of great importance.
-Yeah reset everything except our /whenmade because we are proud to have the /whenmade also my /whenmade mean more to me than my cash.
Ok your money is to be removed asap. :devroll:
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The /whenmade is something that will certainly be reset.
What about old players VeLuX_Corleone his /whenmade is 2008 and he dosent want to loose it. because They will think he is a new player and yeah i'm proud of being an old player on argonath and he is to. And i think many others is to. so it would be like starting an new server why not just move that little part of the database over there ?
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Tough luck we will all appear the same.
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Who cares about losing your /whenmade.. It's just a date.. nothing to cry over.
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Why was whenmade moved down to player level in the first place Gandalf?
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What about old players VeLuX_Corleone his /whenmade is 2008 and he dosent want to loose it. because They will think he is a new player and yeah i'm proud of being an old player on argonath and he is to. And i think many others is to. so it would be like starting an new server why not just move that little part of the database over there ?
IF you really need a date to show you are 'important', then you really are not. If you want to make an impact on the server and have something 'worth,' maybe you should start making good friends and being a nice guy to everyone. People will remember you better for how you act and your attitude than when your account was made.
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People are putting way too much value on this date, which is exactly why it should be removed.
Argonath has always had the policy that new and old players are equally valuabe, and the fixation on /whenmade disturbs that policy.
Yes we are all valuable and make our own contributions to the community but I don't think players use the /whenmade as a means show off themselves as a better player that someone with a more recent date. They simply use it as a means to milestone their progression in the SA:MP community seeing how long they have been dedicated to this entire Argonath Experience.
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On one side I disagree with the reset of every account,
Players worked hard to get to the stance they have now.
If they did this in a month before RS5's release it would feel like they did all for nothing.
On another side I agree with the reset of every account,
as this would make everyone on the same level. and it just depends on the effort players set in to work back to what they have.
I however vote NOT to reset accounts, The reason is the first one stated in this post.
Who gives a shit about his /whenmade. It's a date when you registered. Not your ID.
I once heard this though:
"If the accounts of RS4 cannot be converted to the system RS5 uses. Then a full reset will come."
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On one side I disagree with the reset of every account,
Players worked hard to get to the stance they have now.
If they did this in a month before RS5's release it would feel like they did all for nothing.
On another side I agree with the reset of every account,
as this would make everyone on the same level. and it just depends on the effort players set in to work back to what they have.
I however vote NOT to reset accounts, The reason is the first one stated in this post.
Who gives a shit about his /whenmade. It's a date when you registered. Not your ID.
I once heard this though:
"If the accounts of RS4 cannot be converted to the system RS5 uses. Then a full reset will come."
I agree that people accounts should not be reset at any cost.Look i have been working hard to earn a bike and trying to have a bizz.Resetting people account will really break their heart.Maybe half of them leave the server?.
I just want to say that,we must not reset everyone`s account.If transfer of accounts is impossible then it should be done.
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hmm i agree with the reset of every account and start again
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I agree that people accounts should not be reset at any cost.Look i have been working hard to earn a bike and trying to have a bizz.Resetting people account will really break their heart.Maybe half of them leave the server?.
I just want to say that,we must not reset everyone`s account.If transfer of accounts is impossible then it should be done.
It's just fucking virtual money. Why the fuck do you care about something that wouldn't even benefit you?
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If the only you play for is Virtual Money, first of all you need therapy second of all you need to go out and get a job. Then you'll understand the true meaning of the value of money. Virtual money ain't shit, and you should be here for the friendships you've gained and gaining not the achievements you think will help you progress in your life. No job, or college or University is going to give a care in the world if you give them a transcript of your Argonath stats..
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Ok your money is to be removed asap. :devroll:
Like removing money from one breddah is actually making any difference.
Joke or not, I had to point it out.
If they did this in a month before RS5's release it would feel like they did all for nothing.
If money is all for them while playing on Argonath; damn, then they did all for nothing.
If you people actually try to roleplay your role to gain as much money you can, using it as their main priority, then you should rethink your way of roleplaying.
we are proud to have the /whenmade also my /whenmade mean more to me than my cash.
If people recognizes you under your alias, it doesn't matter which date you registered, you will be recognized and respected for that nonetheless.
Hiding under your whenmade to get more respect and knowledge than new players is just one blurry attempt of being the cool one.
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I'm just wondering if everything is going to reset Our Ranks will be reseted to ? like FBI And SAPD ? Because if they arent i want my /whenmade to be the 14th November 2010.
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I'm just wondering if everything is going to reset Our Ranks will be reseted to ? like FBI And SAPD ? Because if they arent i want my /whenmade to be the 14th November 2010.
Nobody 100 percent know's any of this at the moment and im sure they would get you your FBI ranks back etc probs, and in my opinion yes why skyhawk said is true if you only play for virtual money then go to therapy this is an online roleplay game not and online Gambling game or online Moneyhungry Game. sure some people need a tiny bit of money but Roleplay can always be as amusing as whatever rich people do with their money is.
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I'm just wondering if everything is going to reset Our Ranks will be reseted to ? like FBI And SAPD ? Because if they arent i want my /whenmade to be the 14th November 2010.
I would like mine set to 2007... See this is why the command is going to be banished from players again too much bickering and obsessiveness over a date. The command was lowered to player level to help with certain things mainly passports and licensing. Not to make your ego bigger.
Anything like Admin permissions, Police permissions of course they will be set manually it's most likely. If the base of the accounts cannot be transferred.
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I see no need for a /whenmade as you can always remember (if you actually take note) the date you first enter a certain Argonath server, regardless of your account creation. For instance, I first came to MTA:VC on April 26 2008, then to SA:MP on July 27 of the same year.
The date on your /whenmade does not matter, but how you carry yourself as a player...
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/whenmade is almost same as your forum account creation date anyways.
I'm all in for a cash reset. The current economy is SHIT. The amount of cash in the system needs to be controlled more (and jobs need to pay less (FBI etc)).
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I'm all in for a cash reset. The current economy is SHIT. The amount of cash in the system needs to be controlled more (and jobs need to pay less (FBI etc)).
Any job which requires decent effort should be paid adequately.
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Any job which requires decent effort should be paid adequately.
Sure, but I don't really want people running around with millions, owning the best mansions and cars without hard work. This was by no way directed at any specific group, but really. BSF pays millions every month. We don't have need for all that. You are not supposed to be driving an Infernus first month playing, really. Even your first car should be an accomplishment. Paychecks and prices are not in balance.
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Sure, but I don't really want people running around with millions, owning the best mansions and cars without hard work. This was by no way directed at any specific group, but really. BSF pays millions every month. We don't have need for all that. You are not supposed to be driving an Infernus first month playing, really. Even your first car should be an accomplishment. Paychecks and prices are not in balance.
BSF may be upsetting the balance, but the FBI's salary definitely isn't enough to make you rich on it alone as well.
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Sure, but I don't really want people running around with millions, owning the best mansions and cars without hard work. This was by no way directed at any specific group, but really. BSF pays millions every month. We don't have need for all that. You are not supposed to be driving an Infernus first month playing, really. Even your first car should be an accomplishment. Paychecks and prices are not in balance.
BSF was started to put regular money in to the system. The reason for this is that the current script are destroying funds in high amounts. Money you pay for weapons, gas and food goes in to a black hole, and as there is imbalance in fines and rewards, so does part of the money lost on jailing/being killed.
This means that without putting some money back in, the whole of the server would depend on new players arriving and spending their money (multiaccounting moneycheats included).
It is clear that this would make getting any posession as good as impossible, and to live only on paydays and lotteries is also not a good idea.
In the new scripts we are planning to know exactly how much money is in game, and we will try to recycle as much of it as possible. This means that things like the BSF may be replaced by other ways of distributing money, which are more within automated scripts.
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Guys , im here from 2008 and i dont worry of loosing my Whenmade , and you registred in 2011 and 2010 u scared?
dude , whenmade is nothing i think it should be removed.
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Why not move it up to /admins only? It's vital that we know if a player is new or not (for the unknown names or for those who change their name.) But mark it as classified information (so players would not be allowed to ask for their self or for someone's certain date)..?
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Negative sides from reseting:- Some one Like FlakenG,SF_SA,Astroath They have the ability to return to argonath + The People who talk about money you aren't money hunger you can reset your money by hard working+About /whenmade Famous People are known that they are respectable
Positive idea of reseting :- 1st thing they open a new page with people who had ban so he enter argonath with new page not stucked with Punishments+ People will be on the Same line all are equal then Special people will appear again
that what i can add to this topic
Regards
Omar.
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BSF was started to put regular money in to the system. The reason for this is that the current script are destroying funds in high amounts. Money you pay for weapons, gas and food goes in to a black hole, and as there is imbalance in fines and rewards, so does part of the money lost on jailing/being killed.
This means that without putting some money back in, the whole of the server would depend on new players arriving and spending their money (multiaccounting moneycheats included).
It is clear that this would make getting any posession as good as impossible, and to live only on paydays and lotteries is also not a good idea.
In the new scripts we are planning to know exactly how much money is in game, and we will try to recycle as much of it as possible. This means that things like the BSF may be replaced by other ways of distributing money, which are more within automated scripts.
Thanks, this is exactly the answer I was looking for. Hopefully it works out.
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Negative sides from reseting:- Some one Like FlakenG,SF_SA,Astroath They have the ability to return to argonath[/font]
They won't be able to without posting an unban request and going through the regular process.
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SAMP should add smuggling like VC... abit esay to make moneh
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The point is not to make money easy to get a hold of but to make sure money is still circulating at a reasonable level not leaving it unbalanced.
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Negative sides from reseting:- Some one Like FlakenG,SF_SA,Astroath They have the ability to return to argonath + The People who talk about money you aren't money hunger you can reset your money by hard working+About /whenmade Famous People are known that they are respectable
Positive idea of reseting :- 1st thing they open a new page with people who had ban so he enter argonath with new page not stucked with Punishments+ People will be on the Same line all are equal then Special people will appear again
that what i can add to this topic
Regards
Omar.
Yeah don't put me on the SF_Sa level, i am far away from it.
I don't ban evade, i don't hack, i don't cheat.
Well, sometimes i get pissed off and flame the shit out of someone, but that's pretty much it.
If i wanted to return to Argonath again, i could easily do that. But meh, I'd like to return to Argo as who and what i am.
Regards,
Astaroth
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Why all the hate on SF_Sa ?
but on a serious note about BSF its not like if the money they pay go to one indiviual, it is shared equally and everyone has equal opportunity of getting funded by the BSF. Honestly doesn't matter if reset or not because we are still going to play if its done. Argonath SA:MP survived a Reset before and will survive it again. There will be a reset and there is no stopping it. So just accept it. Its just virtual money and stats, if you wanna be rich pray to win the First Argo Millionare Lotto in RS5.
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but on a serious note about BSF its not like if the money they pay go to one indiviual
And where will this money come from ?
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And where will this money come from ?
Where has it always come from ?
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Where has it always come from ?
It has been spawned by managers
We are trying to maintain an economy in RS5
Edit: Until a good idea is suggested which can regulate the flow of money throughout the server, then organisations such a BSF which spawns money will not run
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I was wondering.. will there also be a normal weather & time system in RS5?
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I was wondering.. will there also be a normal weather & time system in RS5?
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=85442.msg1353950#msg1353950 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=85442.msg1353950#msg1353950)
Read the last posts.
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If it needs a whole reset for everything to work properly, then go for it..
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I dont think so Ness.
Messaged removed by admin Zaila.
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Obviously those who have been banned will remain banned in RS5.0 as well.
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Obviously those who have been banned will remain banned in RS5.0 as well.
Unless the management do a mass unban, like they did at Christmas. :lol:
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I think data not be be erased ! That would be self-destruction . Some have been playing since 2008 etc. . None wants to loose everything but if they loose it the interest for the game won't be like now and there won't be 110 players online but will be 40 players or less ! I think that data must be saved and when RS.5 comes eveything should be just like that with the changes in it !
Regards ,
Skerdi_Soprano
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I'd say no to reset, actually...money is a part of roleplay. If the reset comes, then families couldn't make meetings anymore because they don't have cars anymore. I think if the reset comes then Argonath would be pretty boring in the beginning. That's what I think.
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On the date thingey.
I think /whenmade command should be removed to EVERYONE except the administration, so they can check if player is regular.
That's because for a reason that Gandalf has once stated already - regular and veteran players get stricter punishments for rulebreaking than those just started playing.
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I'm also againt the RS5 reset. It would mean I have worked so hard in the last month for nothing, I can almost buy a house and if i lose it again....
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RS4 currently runs on flat files, whereas RS5 will be fully MySQL
Although we could convert the data over, most of the data is corrupt
There is not point converting bugged data over to RS5
The only fair way to do it is to make everyone start from the beginning with uncorrupted data and hopefully no bugs
Please do not turn this topic into a reset or no reset discussion
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RS4 currently runs on flat files, whereas RS5 will be fully MySQL
Although we could convert the data over, most of the data is corrupt
There is not point converting bugged data over to RS5
The only fair way to do it is to make everyone start from the beginning with uncorrupted data and hopefully no bugs
Please do not turn this topic into a reset or no reset discussion
obviously reset
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...money is a part of roleplay.
/me opens his wallet.
/me pays the man $10 for a hotdog.
/me thanks the man and begins eating.
You're right, but not in the way you think. ;)
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:rofl:
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RS4 currently runs on flat files, whereas RS5 will be fully MySQL
Although we could convert the data over, most of the data is corrupt
There is not point converting bugged data over to RS5
The only fair way to do it is to make everyone start from the beginning with uncorrupted data and hopefully no bugs
Please do not turn this topic into a reset or no reset discussion
then self destrucut argonath and be happy that you will be alone playing it ! ;)
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then self destrucut argonath and be happy that you will be alone playing it ! ;)
How would resetting everyone self-destruct Argo?
For one, Argo is much more than just one server, so that argument in itself would be null.
For two, Argo has had resets before. If people leave because they are upset over lost money, then so be it. We are a RP community, not a greed one.
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The Church will continue to help the poor and needy in RS5 land :-).
Also the Radio (now it's 24/7 too), will be supporting the community with competitions (as now).
Post Merge: June 13, 2012, 06:45:01 pm
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How would resetting everyone self-destruct Argo?
For one, Argo is much more than just one server, so that argument in itself would be null.
we are in SA:MP sector !
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Those moneyhungry players do not belong here in Argonath. I constantly have like 800 dollars, not more and its enough to me :banana:
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Those moneyhungry players do not belong here in Argonath. I constantly have like 800 dollars, not more and its enough to me :banana:
Dude, people are different, everyone isn't like you ;)
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How would resetting everyone self-destruct Argo?
For one, Argo is much more than just one server, so that argument in itself would be null.
we are in SA:MP sector !
That changes nothing. Argo is not just SA:MP.
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It has been spawned by managers
We are trying to maintain an economy in RS5
Edit: Until a good idea is suggested which can regulate the flow of money throughout the server, then organisations such a BSF which spawns money will not run
Give us the ability to sell vehicles of all type, problem solved :).
Player1 will buy the car for normal price, Player2 will buy the car off Player1 depending on it's 'condition'.. for lower money and etc... For the old ones, always had a way to make money from car sell-buys.. Ex; IcyAero ;)..
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People are putting way too much value on this date, which is exactly why it should be removed.
Argonath has always had the policy that new and old players are equally valuabe, and the fixation on /whenmade disturbs that policy.
Agreed,
To those who oppose it, prove with one valid logic that a person with a 2012 /whenmade can't be a better roleplayer than a person with 2007 /whenmade.
Also everything should be reset no matter what, because even though I myself have around 2-3 million of assets in game, It'll be a fun journey climbing back to the top. As the topic owner said himself, some people have 100s of millions, and then don't even play as much as us anymore, what's the use of all that cash if they rarely login?
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I think /whenmade command should be removed to EVERYONE except the administration, so they can check if player is regular.
That's because for a reason that Gandalf has once stated already - regular and veteran players get stricter punishments for rulebreaking than those just started playing.
Why should the administration be prevented from doing our jobs?
Regular and veteran players get harsher punishments for a very good reason; they already know the rules, much more so than a player who just joined the server for the first time two minutes ago. Therefore, they have no excuse to be rulebreaking as if they did not have any experience.
If anything, the command should be moved back to where it was; available to the administration only. Protecting against hackers and scammers has already been our job anyway.
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Why should the administration be prevented from doing our jobs?
Regular and veteran players get harsher punishments for a very good reason; they already know the rules, much more so than a player who just joined the server for the first time two minutes ago. Therefore, they have no excuse to be rulebreaking as if they did not have any experience.
If anything, the command should be moved back to where it was; available to the administration only. Protecting against hackers and scammers has already been our job anyway.
He means it should be removed from everyone but administration.
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He means it should be removed from everyone but administration.
Then it would be better if it were phrased more appropriately with "from" instead of "to". "should be removed to EVERYONE except the administration" mean that something should be left for everyone except the administration.
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Then it would be better if it were phrased more appropriately. "should be removed to EVERYONE except the administration" mean that something should be left for everyone except the administration.
Yes, I can understand your point of view but the sentence is still pretty easy to understand even with that typo. You can't expect everyone in Argonath to speak English perfectly.
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Yes, I can understand your point of view but the sentence is still pretty easy to understand even with that typo. You can't expect everyone in Argonath to speak English perfectly.
Exactly. However, I find it hard to identify the meaning of "to" with that of "from" as the same idea, since they are opposites. I do not think that conjunctions, though, are considered high-level english.
That aside, back on topic...
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Sure, but I don't really want people running around with millions, owning the best mansions and cars without hard work. This was by no way directed at any specific group, but really. BSF pays millions every month. We don't have need for all that. You are not supposed to be driving an Infernus first month playing, really. Even your first car should be an accomplishment. Paychecks and prices are not in balance.
My first car (Elegant), and my first house (75k at Glen Park) were bought on some lucky pay checks, and later - on a prize for a good work out of game for a player.
Even now I try to spend less money that I can earn in a week.
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Guys, don't look so negative on RS5, think about it, as fast as it's released and everybody keeps flooding in with registering, then there will be A LOT of paydays and lottos. Don't think that we'll have to start completely over again ;)
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So whats date of its realese :wow:,so that i can spent all my money.
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You all need to relax about this. Back in late 2007 we had a reset, and it was one of the best things to happen to the server.
We got rid of all of the moneyhungry people, figured out who was actually here for the benefit of the community and the roleplay, and everyone started as equal.
Sure, I might like my /whenmade of November 2007, but if people wanna question how long I've been here when we reset again, I'll tell them that I've been here since March 2007. I don't need /whenmade to say that. A useless command, very much on the same lines as /engine.
And the money? It's pixels. Sure, you worked for it, sure, you spent time getting it, but just try to think of the challenge it posed for you to gain it. It was difficult, and it might look daunting ahead of you, but rest assured - it will be just as fun and challenging to get it back this time. It looks like there will be many new ways of getting cash, so I'd like to make a plea to you all:
stop being so melodramatic about this; it's not the end of the world. In two years, you'll have a "1337" whenmade, people will respect you for that, you'll have money, cars, house, business, and you'll look back and be writing the exact same as I am when there is next a reset.
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You all need to relax about this. Back in late 2007 we had a reset, and it was one of the best things to happen to the server.
We got rid of all of the moneyhungry people, figured out who was actually here for the benefit of the community and the roleplay, and everyone started as equal.
Sure, I might like my /whenmade of November 2007, but if people wanna question how long I've been here when we reset again, I'll tell them that I've been here since March 2007. I don't need /whenmade to say that. A useless command, very much on the same lines as /engine.
And the money? It's pixels. Sure, you worked for it, sure, you spent time getting it, but just try to think of the challenge it posed for you to gain it. It was difficult, and it might look daunting ahead of you, but rest assured - it will be just as fun and challenging to get it back this time. It looks like there will be many new ways of getting cash, so I'd like to make a plea to you all:
stop being so melodramatic about this; it's not the end of the world. In two years, you'll have a "1337" whenmade, people will respect you for that, you'll have money, cars, house, business, and you'll look back and be writing the exact same as I am when there is next a reset.
Right :pop: