Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Plam_Knight on June 18, 2012, 09:36:52 pm
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This topic is created for one purpose and one purpose only, today a lot of you crossed any boundaries the server had, many of you were warned plenty of times to cut the DM and start getting your gang/mafia in proper RP manner, which you obviously ignore. These tempbans that took place today are heads up for what is incoming, some of you obviously don't understand anymore from kicks and warnings.
First for all the mafias that were tempbanned today, today each mafia showed complete disrespect towards Argonath's rules and values and showed not how capable of RP your mafias/gangs are, but how great they are in DM, well bad news Argonath's is not a deathmatch server. I seriously advise each one of the mafias that were tempbanned today, to review their actions in past and find a way to improve themselv in future or these tempbans will very soon become full ones.
Second about the police officers, I repeated thousand times today and I will repeat it again, if you decide to engage on a suspect, that is your own choise, don't come later on /report'ing for DMing and etc... if you decided to rush in like a terminator without a backup.
Don't take this topic as a treat or anything a sort, take it as a massive warning, so if you get banned in future for DM, you will know why you were banned.
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Exactly, we do not tolerate Death matching, especially as now its crossed the line, strict actions will be taken.
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Glad to see a more prominent form of warning being given, the behaviour within SA:MP is by far too overboard in relations to "Groups" attacking other "Groups".
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I honestly thought we were celebrating Plams promote to Admin from Mod.
It is really good to see these Temp bans rolling out, kicks cure short term problems, but when you get a little more aggressive it helps out alot. I see so much more killing compared to ANY roleplay. Whether its between Criminas/suspects and cops or criminals on criminals, its very very minimal. These people who are banned should be thankful they were banned permanently for a few days. These temps bring back memories of Aragorn. Good times.
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Today I am find a suspect, we exchange gun fire.
Then a corleone guy came and just shot me from behind why man he wasnt even suspect.
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Today I am find a suspect, we exchange gun fire.
Then a corleone guy came and just shot me from behind why man he wasnt even suspect.
It's just cheap, if all bullets had their prices like sniper-rifles has, you'd only die if it was totally worth it :lol:
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Good to see stern action is being taken. Certain groups have been crossing the line more often than as necessary, and I believe they know who they are.
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I was temp-banned today.
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I recall a time on Argonath when gangs could only engage each other in a fight under strict admin supervision.
Perhaps groups should focus more on the roleplay rather than getting constantly in fights with other gangs. It causes major problems in your topics as others are offended.
Last year my business was 'protected' by a Mafia for money, now that was roleplay. I hope to see more groups like that coming back and I certainly see that potentional in the groups of today. All it takes is a little more inspiration than 'let's go kill Corleone'
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I was temp-banned today.
Congratulations!
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I recall a time on Argonath when gangs could only engage each other in a fight under strict admin supervision.
Perhaps groups should focus more on the roleplay rather than getting constantly in fights with other gangs. It causes major problems in your topics as others are offended.
Last year my business was 'protected' by a Mafia for money, now that was roleplay. I hope to see more groups like that coming back and I certainly see that potentional in the groups of today. All it takes is a little more inspiration than 'let's go kill Corleone'
Yea I used to roleplay that type of stuff. Always a ton of fun, I remember the last time I did this recently it turned into a gun fight. Now it almost always does, its stupid as hell. Also it isn't just mafias, gangs and criminal organizations that do this, its occurring with the police and everything. Sad to say but people need a good talking to about this behavior, community wide.
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I was temp-banned today.
As said, actions will be taken.
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About time. From my OWN honest opinion, this bullshit needs to stop.
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Good to see stern action is being taken. Certain groups have been crossing the line more often than as necessary, and I believe they know who they are.
This.
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I only kill people that comes to me :cop:
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About time. From my OWN honest opinion, this bullshit needs to stop.
Trust me, your opinion is shared with a few people. I really hope this non-tolerant attitude lasts within the community and doesn't fizzle out.
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About time. From my OWN honest opinion, this bullshit needs to stop.
So instead of taking measures you let others do it and back off like the coward you are.
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So instead of taking measures you let others do it and back off like the coward you are.
Taking decisions seems to be far away from his league of expertise.
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About time. From my OWN honest opinion, this bullshit needs to stop.
and you really think people will stop dming here? if you want completly rp server you'll need to ban 90 percent of the guys here and then the server will stay with 10 players
every new player who joins the server starts dming, why doesnt it happen on lsrp? beacuse in lsrp you need to show your rping skills and not your dming skills before joining a clan mafia police or w/e
today you can find in almost every application to those clans police "recommended, good shooting skills"
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every new player who joins the server starts dming
Bold statement is all i shall say.
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every new player who joins the server starts dming,
I will take this statement as an example. This is nothing pointed towards you, AirOne.
I hear this atleast twice during my duty as an admin each day. I agree that new players are deathmatching often, but why are they doing it? Obviously since they are not aware of our rules.
I have spectated several new players since my return to the admin team, I had two reasons to do so;
1. To see how they behave and see if they obey our rules.
2. To see how old schoolers / regulars treat our newcommers when they start to rulebreak.
The majority of you report the newcommer for deathmatching but you are also deathmatching the same after the report. Where is the logic in that? How are you thinking when you attacking a newcommer instead of teaching him the rules? You do not even attempt to teach, in few cases it happends, but I see more deathmatch acts from regulars then a lesson in Argonath RPG SA:MP.
Yesterday I got reported to the management because I punished a regular who deathmatched a newcommer. He said I must treat every player equally but how do you suppose us (administration team) to punish players who are not aware of our rules? How do you suppose the new players to adapt to our rules when we punish them the same we do with regulars? How do you suppose to change the current atmosphere if you not learn the newcommers how they should play?
It is time for all of you to consider your moves very carefully. The respect level is even more serious then the deathmatching currently. Even after 300 seconds banana you provoke other groups / players. Even after warnings from the administration team you break our rules. Administration team serve and protect to the best of their abilites, but we can not do this alone. If you fail to acknowledge and obey we will never raise again.
Consider your moves and actions, please...
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and you really think people will stop dming here? if you want completly rp server you'll need to ban 90 percent of the guys here and then the server will stay with 10 players
every new player who joins the server starts dming, why doesnt it happen on other RP server? beacuse in other RP server you need to show your rping skills and not your dming skills before joining a clan mafia police or w/e
today you can find in almost every application to those clans police "recommended, good shooting skills"
So you are comparing a new player that has 0 knowledge of Argonath's rules with so called "mafia" members, which some posses several years of knowledge within the server and has multiple warnings/kicks and etc.. for DMing on his back?
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I mean no disrespect on either side, but its about time something is done.
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I have been in your so called pro rper servers were only leet can get inside,excuse me but that's bag of bullshit. Everyone is driving around doing pizza missions and no player interaction within each other,I could have more action in graveyard than this.
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the ruels are shown when you join the server and you need to accept them twice before you login, so dont say "new players doesnt know the rules" beacuse in other RP server such things wont happen and never happened, guess why? beacuse its a real rp server where you need to apply to join and everyone rp there and not posting 'omg good shooting skills omg pro' on his police application
to mash -
do you except us to die when we need to teach a new player? you're an admin, you can spectate and tell them the rules, we cant
if a new players dm us with his spas we cant do nothing else then protect our life and kill him, THEN we teach him the rules over pm and tell him to not dm, but its such a bad excuse "new players doesnt know the rules" beacuse you can always /rules and this command exsist on every server in samp + you MUST accept the rules TWICE before registering
this is a fact - the server is starting to become cops n robbers and i do not mean to provoke or moan or w/e just telling my opinion, must of the civilians/suspects sees a blue dot on the map and starts to piss him off to get /su'd and then go in thier nrg or infernus with m4 and spas and guess what they do? kill cops..
i just think there should be applications before registering the server if all of those bans, tempbans warnings and kicks didnt teach to not dm
chris - do you prefer everyone spasing the shit out of each other instead of this? i didnt say we should disable main chat or something beacuse yea argonath without mainchat isnt argonath, but there should be a message to moderators when a new players joins the server, he gets freezed till a moderator gets to him and teach him the rules, atleast the basic command /me and how to communicate with others
sorry if i offended anyone or the server, thats how it looks from my side..
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What would happen if moderators were not available?
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Your side is blinded by your favorism towards something else.
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What would happen if moderators were not available?
there were accepted 23 moderators into the team and i see atleast 5-7 online of them every day, so i dont think this thing can happen..
chris - explain?
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What would happen if moderators were not available?
Then Either
1.) new Player kills someone when they are trying to tell them to stop
2.) veteran player kills new player to protect themselves
Those are the only two options that ever happen because new players start shooting and rarely ever listen unless an admin stops them to talk.
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I have it hard to read your full texts, AirOne.. It would be better if you could start with capital letter and divide your text into paragraphs! Just a tip :)
Anyways... It is not often I see a new player with a weapon, more likely he uses his vehicle to ram others or/and uses his fists to punch. Several regulars using their weapons instead of ask him in a polite way to stop his actions and welcome him to Argonath RPG.
Just because they have accepted the rules does not mean they have acknowledged them. It is a fact new players are not aware of our server rules. It is a fact that the majority of the regulars do not care to teach new players.
If everything is so good and there is no issues in the server you speak about why are you still here? I have only heard you speak but to be honest I have never seen you act for your words. People speak a lot about how good it should be if players would not had the opperunity to go on cop duty until they have played seven days, yet I only see few players sit with new officers and teaching them.
People speak about how good it should be if newcommers do not have the ability to purchase weapons, yet people deathmatching instead of teach.
During my absense from the adminstrator team I managed to teach several newcommers, without administrator powers. All you need is patience and respect that the new player have not acknowledged the rules. It will not help to shout "Idiot come here" "You are useless, get away idiot" "Are you retarded?!!" "Stop it idiot!!" or what ever you scream ingame. The majority of you fail to acknowledge and understand the perspective from a new player. You also fail to respect your fellow players which I quailfy as regulars and your friends, hence the current atmosphere.
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Despite being as nice person and helping new players. I don't feel that regular players should have the obligation to teach new players. People are here to have fun and play a game, not waste their time teaching a new player.
I am not saying people should not help new people, im just saying that admins need to understand that community members are trying to play a game and should not be required to stop what they are doing to deal with a new player.
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Mash, it's AirOrel, not AirOne :poke:
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Despite being as nice person and helping new players. I don't feel that regular players should have the obligation to teach new players. People are here to have fun and play a game, not waste their time teaching a new player.
I am not saying people should not help new people, im just saying that admins need to understand that community members are trying to play a game and should not be required to stop what they are doing to deal with a new player.
I agree. My point is that regulars introduce newcommers with gunfire instead of give them the required assistance. They can do that them selves or they use the /report function.
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Despite being as nice person and helping new players. I don't feel that regular players should have the obligation to teach new players. People are here to have fun and play a game, not waste their time teaching a new player.
I am not saying people should not help new people, im just saying that admins need to understand that community members are trying to play a game and should not be required to stop what they are doing to deal with a new player.
That's kinda a selfish attitude, but what ever. If you don't show them the good example, and don't try to teach them, then you can't come and moan afterwards because they broke rules and interrupt your gameplay. The time you spend at the very first moment they join, the faster they'll understand the rules, purpose of the server, commands etc and it'll be less problem in the future.
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That's kinda a selfish attitude, but what ever. If you don't show them the good example, and don't try to teach them, then you can't come and moan afterwards because they broke rules and interrupt your gameplay. The time you spend at the very first moment they join, the faster they'll understand the rules, purpose of the servers, commands etc and it'll be less problem in the future.
I'm not saying its a good attitude to have, but my point is that players should not be punished simply because they didnt do something they really don't need to do. If a player attacks them and they attack back, they should have all the right to kill them in defens, new player or not.
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What would happen if moderators were not available?
More would be available if everyone wasn't DMing everyone. :cop:
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the ruels are shown when you join the server and you need to accept them twice before you login, so dont say "new players doesnt know the rules" beacuse in other RP server such things wont happen and never happened, guess why? beacuse its a real rp server where you need to apply to join and everyone rp there and not posting 'omg good shooting skills omg pro' on his police application
to mash -
do you except us to die when we need to teach a new player? you're an admin, you can spectate and tell them the rules, we cant
if a new players dm us with his spas we cant do nothing else then protect our life and kill him, THEN we teach him the rules over pm and tell him to not dm, but its such a bad excuse "new players doesnt know the rules" beacuse you can always /rules and this command exsist on every server in samp + you MUST accept the rules TWICE before registering
this is a fact - the server is starting to become cops n robbers and i do not mean to provoke or moan or w/e just telling my opinion, must of the civilians/suspects sees a blue dot on the map and starts to piss him off to get /su'd and then go in thier nrg or infernus with m4 and spas and guess what they do? kill cops..
i just think there should be applications before registering the server if all of those bans, tempbans warnings and kicks didnt teach to not dm
chris - do you prefer everyone spasing the shit out of each other instead of this? i didnt say we should disable main chat or something beacuse yea argonath without mainchat isnt argonath, but there should be a message to moderators when a new players joins the server, he gets freezed till a moderator gets to him and teach him the rules, atleast the basic command /me and how to communicate with others
sorry if i offended anyone or the server, thats how it looks from my side..
So you want to tell that every player who starts a shootout is a new player and regulars are only protecting themselves ? Go and tell that bullshit on other servers where they may accept it.
New players will always follow the examples they see. If they see regulars driving around and shooting blue dots or 'enemies' then that is what they will do. If they see a good RP, that is how they will play as well. So by having a negative attitude and shooting at everyone that is not in your circle YOU are causing the problem. Want to solve it ? FIX YOURSELF OR GO ELSEWHERE.
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dude im airorel not airone >
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dude im airorel not airone >
What I call you does not matter in this case. What does matter is if you acknowledge and understand our words or not.
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New players will always follow the examples they see. If they see regulars driving around and shooting blue dots or 'enemies' then that is what they will do. If they see a good RP, that is how they will play as well. So by having a negative attitude and shooting at everyone that is not in your circle YOU are causing the problem. Want to solve it ? FIX YOURSELF OR GO ELSEWHERE.
Very true, normally when a player joins they will spawn at LSAP what do they normally see first... idlewood. They see cops and orange dots (which they probs don't know that means suspect) shooting at each other.
Normally, when I start getting attacked by a new player; I take out peperspray and stop them and try to explain it to them. You don't have to drop them dead. and so what if they kill you so what its a game, I'm sure you'll be fine. If you can't handle dying, don't play. The Sims is a great game I'm sure you can handle. Report them as a last option, but its better to just try to help them rather just DM them which even more embeds the idea of DM into them.
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If we're completely honest this isnt just DM its a variety of other things too, such as flaming, script abuse etc. And there are two types of players who do this..
New players - Dont know the rules.
Veteran players - Disregard the rules due to minimal punishments. (from what I have seen)
Its getting out of hand, for example a few nights a go I was DMed at least three times, two of these involved flaming as well. These players were regular players and the problem is that only one of the cases was followed up with a warning. I'm not having a rant against administration but I have seen certain players warned several times for the same reasons yet they continue to do it and this is because they know that they will only get warned. So I'm glad to see that the people who are doing these acts are getting punished hopefully they will learn from this.
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Since when do you get tempbanned if you kill someone after you accepted a hit on the person?
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Since when do you get tempbanned if you kill someone after you accepted a hit on the person?
You should post details of the situation and what exactly happened and you might get some proper answer.
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Since when do you get tempbanned if you kill someone after you accepted a hit on the person?
Since people stopped RPing and just blasted him with a SPAS?
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I'm not saying its a good attitude to have, but my point is that players should not be punished simply because they didnt do something they really don't need to do. If a player attacks them and they attack back, they should have all the right to kill them in defens, new player or not.
I agree with this 100 percent. I was actually banned for doing this though, guy tried to car kill me multiple times so I shouted to stop and was trying to get him to understand he can't do that, being a good person. He just kept car killing, so I blew up his Bus with a Deagle. i didn't hunt him down or anything, just took out the bus. He got off ran to the bus and killed himself. I was banned for deathmatching(as it was a UC admin who was the culprit), my one and only ban in this server. Things happen though, just need to shrug it off and move on.
What I call you does not matter in this case. What does matter is if you acknowledge and understand our words or not.
Actually what you call him does matter, it's called respect. As a person you should accept and understand this, instead of the "who gives a shit" attitude. Elementary school, treat others as you would like to be treated.
So you want to tell that every player who starts a shootout is a new player and regulars are only protecting themselves ? Go and tell that bullshit on other servers where they may accept it.
New players will always follow the examples they see. If they see regulars driving around and shooting blue dots or 'enemies' then that is what they will do. If they see a good RP, that is how they will play as well. So by having a negative attitude and shooting at everyone that is not in your circle YOU are causing the problem. Want to solve it ? FIX YOURSELF OR GO ELSEWHERE.
Best for last, So yes some veteran players do deathmatch a newcomer. Most of these 'killings' are when a newcomer ends up trying to constantly carkill someone, with the rare exception of when they whip out a gun. I see plenty of criminals from various different groups killing newcomers, and it's rather pathetic to see. The lack of respect towards helping this community grow is truly sickening to witness, especially when I see some serious veterans from back before I played pulling these stunts.
New players ALWAYS following examples they see? No, they USUALLY do. How many newcomers honestly come into this community wanting to be a criminal right off the bat? Not alot. I see and receive more private messages from them asking 'how I become cop'. They have just as much of an intent to kill people as any other person in this community. "If they see a good RP, that is how they will play aswell.", Yes I 100 percent agree with this, I am in Gvardia, have been for an incredibly long time. I come on SA:MP to roleplay with everyone I come into contact with, some I just chill with, BUT almost every time I am on I am always going to get sucked into some stupid gun fight. Whether this fight is with police, or another criminal group. I very rarely am able to participate in good roleplay anywhere without being shot at by criminals or being /su abused by the new cops who show up and aren't shown how to properly roleplay a police officer in this community of ours and when I say that my suspection isn't true (while I'm being shot at), I am told to /gu and ask for an investigation, which always results in jail. So unless a large amount of this community decides to pull together and revive roleplay between friends, and enemies, cops and criminals, then the newcomers will not see good roleplay and follow that example here.
Overall, I want the DM to stop, and the lack of respect to not be as high. I want to be able to roll up to a Gvardia enemy and roleplay or roleplay with the cops freely without a gun fight occurring. I log in every day to have fun with community members. I want many more things, which are possible with the community pulling together and helping out but the likelihood of this is very small and it sucks. Will I stop coming to Argonath because of this? No, but does all this constant rule breaking cause new players to not stick around, yes. Also for the people who want these rules to be like shown everywhere you look, this community is based on being able to roleplay what you want and not be restricted by a ton of rules. Which is where the Argonath Vision comes into play.
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Since people stopped RPing and just blasted him with a SPAS?
I did not.
I approached him, roleplayed with him and then he started to run and I shot, of course....
Plam, I accepted the hit on B@D_B@Y or something. I approached him at Esplanade North, San Fierro. Tried to roleplay with him even if he avoided it. I roleplayed everything, then he ran off and I shot him. It was an official hit, set with /sethit [ID].
Pest_Killer was probably already spectating us since I got banned after two milliseconds.
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This was mainly due to Plam and I think that all of us that want this to stop owe him a great deal of thanks. It just takes one person to change things and Plam and the admin team are tackling this the right way. These people have had there chances but now it's time for business.
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Plam, instead of temp-banning them you should go somewhere (Like Disneyland, Mordor), teleport them to you and explain them how they should act, to start RPing instead DMing and etc. Punishing them won't have effect, just more negative things like madness and swearing Managers+ while reporting you. Trust me this is an advice.
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Plam, instead of temp-banning them you should go somewhere (Like Disneyland, Mordor), teleport them to you and explain them how they should act, to start RPing instead DMing and etc. Punishing them won't have effect, just more negative things like madness and swearing Managers+ while reporting you. Trust me this is an advice.
I myself think this is no good way.
Because I believe they will behave like angels underneath the eyes of an admin. but continue when the admin left (the scene. not the game)
Or perhaps we could make a LOST scenario on NAP. with the planes removed. or maybe add an island as the new admin jail :razz:
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So you want to tell that every player who starts a shootout is a new player and regulars are only protecting themselves ? Go and tell that bullshit on other servers where they may accept it.
New players will always follow the examples they see. If they see regulars driving around and shooting blue dots or 'enemies' then that is what they will do. If they see a good RP, that is how they will play as well. So by having a negative attitude and shooting at everyone that is not in your circle YOU are causing the problem. Want to solve it ? FIX YOURSELF OR GO ELSEWHERE.
You are implying that all shoot outs are caused by bad RP or rulebreaking. I have seen a fair number of legitimately started shootouts that are not spawned from rulebreaking / DM. If you feel that all shoot outs are bad then why not just be stricter in regards to stopping them / restricting the accessibility of weapons?
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Well I'm not against any of this. I just got banned for flaming admin team related to Hugo's ban. It's valid though, a CB rage ended up bad.
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Since when do you get tempbanned if you kill someone after you accepted a hit on the person?
When :
- admins overlooked the hit had no reason
- the hitman shoots a player without giving him a way to defend
- the hit was set as revenge
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When :
- admins overlooked the hit had no reason
- the hitman shoots a player without giving him a way to defend
- the hit was set as revenge
How am I supposed to know that the hit was an abuse? An admin should have cancelled it as I can't see if it's valid yes or no.
What do you exactly mean with your second point? I roleplayed my weapons, he knew there was a hitman after him, a man taking a weapon... That's maybe a hitman. And he ran off, so that's why I pulled the trigger.
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When :
- admins overlooked the hit had no reason
- the hitman shoots a player without giving him a way to defend
- the hit was set as revenge
If that now happens, shouldn't the guy who SET the hit get punished, because the one who accepts the hit is only money hungry, and have no idea if its wrongly set or not?
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Well I'm not against any of this. I just got banned for flaming admin team related to Hugo's ban. It's valid though, a CB rage ended up bad.
Your exact comment was that admins force people to lie in their unban requests.
That is a complet lie by itself, nobody is forced to lie.
Of course if they are not accpeting their ban and are not sorry for being banned they may feel forced to lie, however that will result in a new and longer ban unless they learn to change their attitude.
As for things like hacks, money cheating or ban evading we never force people to lie. In fact we do have in almost every single case compelling evidence that they committed what they were banned for, even if they attempt to convince their friends it was invalid in order not to lose face.
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Your exact comment was that admins force people to lie in their unban requests.
That is a complet lie by itself, nobody is forced to lie.
Of course if they are not accpeting their ban and are not sorry for being banned they may feel forced to lie, however that will result in a new and longer ban unless they learn to change their attitude.
As for things like hacks, money cheating or ban evading we never force people to lie. In fact we do have in almost every single case compelling evidence that they committed what they were banned for, even if they attempt to convince their friends it was invalid in order not to lose face.
We have a conspiracy theory going on, Illuminati anyone?
When a friend is banned and you feel it isn't right or someone is punished and you feel it isn't right, then just screen shot it and send it in via email. Even if it's a UC that could be an owner, send it in. I am sure they would look at it, especially if you put it together well and were reasonable about the case.
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Plam, instead of temp-banning them you should go somewhere (Like Disneyland, Mordor), teleport them to you and explain them how they should act, to start RPing instead DMing and etc. Punishing them won't have effect, just more negative things like madness and swearing Managers+ while reporting you. Trust me this is an advice.
Tempbaned people are always regular players,and regular players do know what is rp to not mess it up . But yet knowing them self's they rulebreak they try relay on luck and hope at that certain point admins do not watch how they do it,and if they do,they eat a tempban and take it as a lesson for future.
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So you want to tell that every player who starts a shootout is a new player and regulars are only protecting themselves ? Go and tell that bullshit on other servers where they may accept it.
New players will always follow the examples they see. If they see regulars driving around and shooting blue dots or 'enemies' then that is what they will do. If they see a good RP, that is how they will play as well. So by having a negative attitude and shooting at everyone that is not in your circle YOU are causing the problem. Want to solve it ? FIX YOURSELF OR GO ELSEWHERE.
did i say that only new players starts shootout? i said about everyone - i said they start shooting and we shouldnt die beacuse we need to teach them.. we protect ourself then we teach them, plus i still dont understand that excuse.. they must accept the rules twice before registering and it says exactly do not DM
and yea i agree about the last part, we should fix it and start rping more often instead of dming more often, if you just been active on uc accout or w/e you could see whats going around here..
plus i always drive around with my infernus, i wont say names or w/e but i just see people coming to provoke each other with full armour and spas in hand starting flaming him in "rp" way to get him mad or get suspected, then what? they get suspected and cops come, they have shootout and civilians starts shooting them from behind when they have no reason to do it at all..
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AirOrel, I'm sure he has already seen in someway what's going on ;)
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Your exact comment was that admins force people to lie in their unban requests.
That is a complet lie by itself, nobody is forced to lie.
Of course if they are not accpeting their ban and are not sorry for being banned they may feel forced to lie, however that will result in a new and longer ban unless they learn to change their attitude.
As for things like hacks, money cheating or ban evading we never force people to lie. In fact we do have in almost every single case compelling evidence that they committed what they were banned for, even if they attempt to convince their friends it was invalid in order not to lose face.
I didn't even expected to be banned for that, I looked at it as personal point of view that means no harm to anyone.
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Good to see stern action is being taken. Certain groups have been crossing the line more often than as necessary, and I believe they know who they are.
That's for damn sure. I hope this means, that more groups will be created to Argonath which are teaching more roleplaying instead of whom to shoot or whom not.
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That's for damn sure. I hope this means, that more groups will be created to Argonath which are teaching more roleplaying instead of whom to shoot or whom not.
Exactly. More than once, we have encountered groups which instruct their members in CB to go DM the cops or members of group X.
The view that regulars are not obliged to help new players at all? I find it to be very selfish and elitist.
Why so? As mentioned before, regulars constitute the examples which new players learn from when they enter the server. If the veterans adapt an apathetic / ignorant stance, then the result will be new players with less quality. Even now, many of our regulars and "veterans" already engage continually in rulebreaking, which in itself influences our new players to do the same.
So before anyone pulls up bullshit arguments when a regular is banned for exerting negative actions on / being a bad influence towards a new player, then they should consider that even they themselves are not worthy examples. If they do not agree with our system, then they are free to go somewhere else, and we will not stop them...
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guys i relly want help , today 08/072012 i was going to login and appears in my screen that i was banned , so i went to the ban list and i wasnt there what i do now i cant login with any account .
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Please PM a manager, this is not the correct place for it mate!
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i cant login with any account .
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So, you have more, that's intresting :trust: