Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: rJCaiG on July 19, 2012, 11:51:25 am
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Firstly, yes this is a rant and yes I expect you all to read it before you respond. Secondly, no, I don't expect any changes to be made, because I know that I can't alone change the horrific culture of RP that has developed on this server.
In the past few days, I have attempted to create a couple of initiative roleplays to get the people I choose to have some fun and use their imagination for once. I will detail each situation.
I approached an FBI Agent who was standing idly at the top of the stairs at FBI LS HQ. I introduced myself as Giac Junior, Tax Agent, and informed him that by standing there he was liable to be taxed under the 'standing on top of a high staircase' tax. I requested that he come with me to my Tax Agency in Dillimore. Instead of roleplaying, Mr. FBI Agent told me in local chat "Giac, I am not getting into a car with you, knowing your history." To this, I responded "My history? I have recently immigrated from Vice City, I know nobody here. I just got this job and you are my first task.", to which I got "I'm still not coming with you, sorry Giac."
Now, you don't need to be a genius to realise that this FBI Agent completely neglected any RP whatsoever. I decided that this might just be a one off situation, where someone isn't interested in roleplaying.
Today, I tried my Tax Agent RP again.
I approached a cop who was on some stairs in front of City Hall, informed him I was a tax agent, and I sat there speaking to him in local chat for five minutes, informing him of my role, obligations, and what we must do to remedy the situation, and he did not respond more than once, when he said hello to me at the beginning. However, he was speaking on public chat. This decision by this individual to completely disregard the RP unfolding in front of him shocked me! I was certain that I could entice someone to RP with me. Alas, I conceded defeat and left the scene.
Driving through Idlewood, I saw a few cops surrounding a criminal in a car, both sides yelling at each other. I stopped, got out, introduced myself to one of the cops as Giac Junior - Tax Agent, and told him that I might be able to help get the suspect out of the car. I approached the car and told the guy I was a Tax Agent, and that by sitting idle in a car at a gas station he could be liable to get taxed and suggested that he hop out and go with the officers. I am certain that if given enough time, he would have complied and RPed with it. However, the SAPD Lieutenant who I first spoke to decided to pysically walk in front of me, between me and the car, and told me to leave the scene.
Now, I would like to ask for you all to imagine how you would have reacted in the situation of the FBI Agent, the cop, and the Lieutenant. Would you have roleplayed with me? Would you have argued your rights against a stupid tax? Would you have come with me to my office in Dillimore? Would you have allowed me to coax the suspect into surrendering peacefully? What would you have done?
Don't answer. It doesn't bother me much, they were more rhetorical questions anyway.
Now of course there are possible explanations for all of the above. Perhaps the FBI Agent was on his way to cook some pancakes for some LSPD Officers. Perhaps the cop was deaf and could not hear me. Perhaps the Lieutenant thought I was going to brutally bash the suspect. But the fun of RP is to allow that RP to develop, to a point where perhaps we could have all got what we wanted. Maybe if the FBI Agent had come with me, I would have served him home made pancakes and invited the LSPD Officers. Perhaps the deaf cop could have found that there is a cochlear implant store next to me. Perhaps the Lieutenant may have found himself dealing with a surrendered suspect instead of an angry, raging one.
That's the fun of RP. You never know what's going to happen.
The point of this topic is to hopefully encourage you guys to explore RP some more. This server isn't all about pew pew criminals pew pew cops, get money get power get wealth get respect, it's about roleplaying.
Make it happen.
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I thought I'de beat everyone to the punch - "Lead by example." :lol:
However your right, since 2008 the daily roleplay that goes on has decreased to a point of no return, in my eyes it's mainly the fault of popular groups showing bad examples to new players, using SAPD for example: Black buffalos, randomly driving after any orange blip and opening fire, I'm not trying to be a b!tch or anything, I'm just stating the facts that in my eyes are true, you see SAPD non-stop drive-bying and not roleplaying 1 bit, you can't walk through Idlewood without getting called a 'fool' and being shot at because of the skin your wearing, I could list more but I don't want to shit on the server even more, maybe people should start 'leading by example' as they say, but telling 1 person this isnt going to change anything, whilst I'm here I'de also like to question BSF, their job is to fund roleplay, basicly, all I see is every tom and dick applying for BSF with their shit business idea, getting it granted then just paying any member that wants to join without anyone doing any work or roleplay.
My point is, nobody is leading by example, atleast not in a positive way and this is why the server is falling from roleplay to freeroam.
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I thought I'de beat everyone to the punch - "Lead by example." :lol:
However your right, since 2008 the daily roleplay that goes on has decreased to a point of no return, in my eyes it's mainly the fault of popular groups showing bad examples to new players, using SAPD for example: Black buffalos, randomly driving after any orange blip and opening fire, I'm not trying to be a bad girl or anything, I'm just stating the facts that in my eyes are true, you see SAPD non-stop drive-bying and not roleplaying 1 bit, you can't walk through Idlewood without getting called a 'fool' and being shot at because of the skin your wearing, I could list more but I don't want to shit on the server even more, maybe people should start 'leading by example' as they say, but telling 1 person this isnt going to change anything, whilst I'm here I'de also like to question BSF, their job is to fund roleplay. basicly, all I see is every tom and dick applying for BSF with their shit business idea, getting it granted then just paying any member that wants to join without anyone doing any work.
My point is, nobody is leading by example, atleast not in a positive way and this is why the server is falling from roleplay to freeroam.
I thought that I was leading by example by introducing weird, wacky, fun, initiative RPs? That was the entire point of this topic.
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I thought that I was leading by example by introducing weird, wacky, fun, initiative RPs? That was the entire point of this topic.
Leading by example to someone that doesn't do it himself and has no interest in true roleplay. :roll:
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Maybe people are busy with other things and cannot roleplay.
I am repairing all sorts of appliances for my family so I cannot RP till I fixed those.
Life has a higher priority than a game. If there is no RP. Or people do not want you to interrupt theirs. Respect it.
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I thought that I was leading by example by introducing weird, wacky, fun, initiative RPs? That was the entire point of this topic.
So approaching people and asking for money is fun and creative these days? :trust:
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Maybe people are busy with other things and cannot roleplay.
I am repairing all sorts of appliances for my family so I cannot RP till I fixed those.
Life has a higher priority than a game. If there is no RP. Or people do not want you to interrupt theirs. Respect it.
Don't go IG then if your busy IRL and don't want to roleplay. :mad:
So approaching people and asking for money is fun and creative these days? :trust:
Did Giac say he wanted money? I don't see it..
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Don't go IG then if your busy IRL and don't want to roleplay.
I am mostly online to talk and help others.
If you have a problem with that. There's nothing much you can do.
And I do play the game. when work is over. Easy.
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So approaching people and asking for money is fun and creative these days? :trust:
I dod not at any point request any sum of money. I requested that each individual come with me to my office so we could work out the details and core of the tax which I was attempting to apply to them. I expected them to come with me to the office, where they would deny the existence of the tax, which would lead to me calling on "coworkers" of mine to confirm it, at which point I would charge some rediculously low tax fine such as $40.
You have to remember Mario, I am not in this server for the money.
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Did Giac say he wanted money? I don't see it..
Next time care to read the topic before replying, lazy tl;dr'ers nowdays ;P..
I don't know what to say Giac, I guess you happent to find everybody on a bad mood! Or else, people are sick of those people who ask for money in any way and in any amount (including me, getting my PM spammed, because people think /admins = personal ATM.) I'm sure if you roleplay something else people will follow, and mostly in the areas where 'thugs' or mafia live, who try to keep it alive and real as always, they are always open for such things :)
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"Lead by example."
Yes I agree :D
You cannot force players to be good roleplayers however you can impress them, teach and encourage them to take your examples and want to have fun roleplaying. Maybe if you have bad reputation (or no reputation if new player) you need to prove what positive things you are capable of.
Perhaps try RPing a non authoritive figure and you would perhaps get different results with who will go with you, or you could always choose to go with them.
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Maybe people are busy with other things and cannot roleplay.
Yes, standing on a staircase is a very busy job to do.
Life has a higher priority than a game. If there is no RP. Or people do not want you to interrupt theirs. Respect it.
Don't play on a role-play server if you only want to talk and help others, do some role-play. P.S. I'm not saying that talking and helping is bad, but role-playing in front of the new players is better.
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Yes, standing on a staircase is a very busy job to do.Don't play on a role-play server if you only want to talk and help others, do some role-play. P.S. I'm not saying that talking and helping is bad, but role-playing in front of the new players, is better.
I agree, why do people play on Argonath'RPG' if they only want to chase suspects and stand round doing nothing..
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I dod not at any point request any sum of money. I requested that each individual come with me to my office so we could work out the details and core of the tax which I was attempting to apply to them. I expected them to come with me to the office, where they would deny the existence of the tax, which would lead to me calling on "coworkers" of mine to confirm it, at which point I would charge some rediculously low tax fine such as $40.
You have to remember Mario, I am not in this server for the money.
I did not say you do it for the money.
Nevertheless, this is a huge waste of time. Some people come online to actually have fun, not to discuss whether or not your tax is valid.
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Yes I agree :D
You cannot force players to be good roleplayers however you can impress them, teach and encourage them to take your examples and want to have fun roleplaying. Maybe if you have bad reputation (or no reputation if new player) you need to prove what positive things you are capable of.
Perhaps try RPing a non authoritive figure and you would perhaps get different results with who will go with you, or you could always choose to go with them.
Oh but the authoritiative figure is what I do best! It is those times where I find I can persuade people to RP more and extend their imaginations further. For you, it is the opposite; where you're the passive, regular old guy, you find the way to extend people's imaginations and make them have fun. Although we are both good RPers, our styles differ - but we still get the same awesome result.
Post Merge: July 19, 2012, 12:46:16 pm
I did not say you do it for the money.
Nevertheless, this is a huge waste of time. Some people come online to actually have fun, not to discuss whether or not your tax is valid.
So, telling me that you will not get in my car because of my "track record", ignoring me, or simply refusing to allow any RP is fun? How can you know if this tax validity RP will be fun or not if you will not even try it?
Not everyone is confined by your definition of fun or creativity, which is why I try to extend people to find a balance where I can be creative and have fun, all the while allowing the other person to input and influence my reactions and therefore create an in depth, fun roleplay situation.
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So, telling me that you will not get in my car because of my "track record", ignoring me, or simply refusing to allow any RP is fun? How can you know if this tax validity RP will be fun or not if you will not even try it?
Not everyone is confined by your definition of fun or creativity, which is why I try to extend people to find a balance where I can be creative and have fun, all the while allowing the other person to input and influence my reactions and therefore create an in depth, fun roleplay situation.
Who cares about your track record? It's easier to pay you $40 right there and not waste a minute going to the middle of nowhere and discussing whatever ideas you came up with. :razz:
You could say that this is bad RP, but it simply isn't. Try to approach some people IRL (lol) and tell them about your taxes, see what happens.
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lol this thread again.
Topics like this one has always been around and will always be, since it is our tradition to open this kind of topics in this very board every time we feel lonely and ignored IG.
Also it is funny as hell to see that YOU are still doing it. Check this topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=37130.0), it was 3 years ago, you are moaning about the same subject, not only that topic but everywhere. It is 2012 now, you are still moaning about lack of roleplay. Perhaps the problem is not the server but YOU? Perhaps you should go see a doctor to find a solution for your depressive disorder? "doctor, nobody RPs since 2007, im alone in this world omg!"
Remember that RP is not our goal in Argonath, RP is just a tool for us to have fun. As long as people are having fun and respecting our rules, LET IT BE.
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Who cares about your track record? It's easier to pay you $40 right there and not waste a minute going to the middle of nowhere and discussing whatever ideas you came up with. :razz:
You could say that this is bad RP, but it simply isn't. Try to approach some people IRL (lol) and tell them about your taxes, see what happens.
Argonath =\= real life though. If I went up to someone in Australia demanding retarded tax money off them I'd probably get knocked to the ground, so it'd be stupid to even try that.
lol this thread again.
Topics like this one has always been around and will always be, since it is our tradition to open this kind of topics in this very board every time we feel lonely and ignored IG.
Also it is funny as hell to see that YOU are still doing it. Check this topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=37130.0), it was 3 years ago, you are moaning about the same subject, not only that topic but everywhere. It is 2012 now, you are still moaning about lack of roleplay. Perhaps the problem is not the server but YOU? Perhaps you should go see a doctor to find a solution for your depressive disorder? "doctor, nobody RPs since 2007, im alone in this world omg!"
Remember that RP is not our goal in Argonath, RP is just a tool for us to have fun. As long as people are having fun and respecting our rules, LET IT BE.
thank you for your contribution
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Maybe people are busy with other things and cannot roleplay.
Are you serious? Dont log into Argonath RPG if you cannot RP.. Its a RP server, your expected to RP.
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Where did the roleplay go? Look around you and you'll notice it's surrounding you.
If you feel the quality of your roleplay experience is decreasing, be original yourself and inspire others.
To be actually honest, the people who think they can roleplay because they play on a server with 2 gigabytes of scripts active will have a hard time on Argonath maybe, yes, since Argonath allows you to roleplay freely and not in a restricted, boring way.
Do you have to roleplay 24/7? No, even though the moment I log in the server, I roleplay whatever I want to be and for some reason, everything I try ends up in a succes. The key lies in creativity and seperating yourself from all the other groups out there.
Want to roleplay a business? Try to make a profitable business with staff and without BSF, that is a challenge that will massively rely on your own creativity in roleplay. You won't be much annoyed by cops or suspects in this situation.
Those who say that there is no RP on Argonath are, to my own idea, neither too depending on scripts and don't dare to roleplay anything that has no script support or they lack inspiration.
I will give you an example which I also used in WS;
Whilst most servers act like a GPS and tell you where to go too, Argonath acts rather as a roadmap, showing you many possibilities, but leaving you to the decision of which road to take.
Don't waste that oppertunity and appreciate the fact that Argonath is build that way, instead of blattering there is no roleplay. My everyday experience in Argonath is full of roleplay from many different styles, I can't find myself in your statements.
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When responding to a topic like this, people would probably expect me to agree with Giac fully. This time though, that is not the case.
However, I am not opposing him either. My stance is more of a mixed stance.
Now, allow me to tackle the situation from the point of view of a group who finds themselves too busy to roleplay on more than one occasion: admins.
Why admins? As much as we would like to go around the server, roleplaying like regular players do, we are not regular players. We have reports to respond to, abused victims to help, conflicts to mitigate, hackers to catch, and the list goes on and on. As such, roleplaying time is cut short for admins, especially those in timezones where two or more admins (where the average ratio is 1-2 admins overseeing 20-50 players) are not usually seen on server due to timezone constraints. You could try roleplaying and doing admin duties at the same time, but I would not recommend it as it prevents you from reaching 100% efficiency at either.
So I have outlined how admins are busy with their work. The next question is, how do admins find time to roleplay? I will tackle the answer to this from my own personal point of view.
When there are not much reports to respond to or when the server is relatively peaceful, I walk / drive around the server, partly to combat my own boredom (which could be either a result of admin duties, RL problems, or both). This might make it look like as if I am simply being lazy, but not necessarily, as it is a good opportunity to find roleplay.
When I come across someone who might present a good opportunity for roleplay (let's face the facts from a pragmatic stance, not everyone on the server does, for one reason or another), I start a roleplay with them. If they decide to continue, then we end up having a small (or if things go well, big) roleplay that produces fun for both sides.
An example of this recently was when I roleplayed a mentally deranged cop who climbed on top of a wall at LSPD, put his hands up, and shouted "I AM THE LIGHT!"... what followed was a roleplay where "light fought darkness" (which in reality were two insane cops brawling and performing sexual gestures on each other on the sidewalk, followed by a lot of 'golden showers'), along with several onlookers participating. This roleplay all started with a small, routine-level act.
What am I trying to point out here? Roleplay is not something that you should devote most of your time to seeking like some sort of fabled treasure, no.
Instead, roleplay is something you should incorporate into your routine as one of those small, everyday actions you do on the server... instead of spending most of your time searching on roleplay, let the roleplay come to you. Not only will you have fun in RP, but you will also win more friends in the process.
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Topics like this cause replies which are larger and more in-depth than many of us write/wrote during our exams for answers.
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Topics like this cause replies which are larger and more in-depth than many of us write/wrote during our exams for answers.
Yeah, I never understood that, like do people really give that much of a fuck about roleplay on GTA:SAMP?
Yes, roleplay isn't as widespread or as good as it once was, the server has evolved. Try making some friends that would also enjoy your style of roleplay.
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If I went up to someone in Australia demanding retarded tax money off them I'd probably get knocked to the ground, so it'd be stupid to even try that.
What makes you think that it's not stupid to do this in Argonath? Why shouldn't you get knocked to the ground here as well? :razz:
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Yeah, I never understood that, like do people really give that much of a f**k about roleplay on GTA:SAMP?
Yes, roleplay isn't as widespread or as good as it once was, the server has evolved. Try making some friends that would also enjoy your style of roleplay.
This.There is still those who are great roleplayers or newcomers who turn into ones,you shouldn't really go all drama as time might pass but there always going be someone who does roleplay. Making such topics won't improve anything than just cause an argument.
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Like Squeak said, the roleplay may not be as it once was on the server, but it's still there and not just the standard stuff - creativity is still present, at least from the situations I've experienced recently. Not too long ago, I remember RPing a psycopath who spied on cops from a distance in a bush. I then proceeded to enter Mike Sangelo's squad car and I ate his radio. He played along perfectly and it was good fun.
THANKS MIKE
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why do you bother logging in if you're busy IRL? dont log if you cant RP and then report people for forcing RP at RP server srs..
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I think a few people here should learn the differences between RP and RPG..
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Instead, roleplay is something you should incorporate into your routine as one of those small, everyday actions you do on the server... instead of spending most of your time searching on roleplay, let the roleplay come to you. Not only will you have fun in RP, but you will also win more friends in the process.
:hurray:
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Topics like this cause replies which are larger and more in-depth than many of us write/wrote during our exams for answers.
You sir made my day
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Topics like this cause replies which are larger and more in-depth than many of us write/wrote during our exams for answers.
Odd. For me, it is the inverse. :D
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(http://i.imgur.com/oIMYn.jpg)
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^ This.
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(http://i.imgur.com/oIMYn.jpg)
Well...yeah...isn't that what we do everywhere?
Moan about:
- Jobs
- Family/friends
- Homes
- Computers
- Cars
We still use them all, so it's not really any different.
In all fairness, the topic does make some good points...but if people choose not to RP, then let them. Go find it somewhere else, or try something new. I find my best RP's are often at the scene of an accident I am in...react well and you've got yourself some RP :lol:
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In all fairness, the topic does make some good points...but if people choose not to RP, then let them. Go find it somewhere else, or try something new. I find my best RP's are often at the scene of an accident I am in...react well and you've got yourself some RP :lol:
So it is true, you do fail at driving? :redface:
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So it is true, you do fail at driving? :redface:
LOL, your avatar! :lol:
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Interesting,but with rules here on Argonath I would have replied exactly the same as the examples above.
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Roleplay has indeed changed.
The reason is players changing.
Current players are lazy and only seem to enjoy large amounts of money, cars and properties.
I rarely see players roleplaying.
Also the atmosphere in the server has changed.
Only people provoking each other, shouting abuse etc.
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I once pulled a cop over, told him that the black Huntleys are restricted to the CMPD, a special undercover branch of the ARPD...
The cop, although very confused, agreed to come with me and my 'agents' to serve community service in Disney Land.
Upon arrival, we cleaned the ferris wheel together, we got back in the car, took him home and gave him some money as a token of appreciation.
We were all very pleased at the end of the day, including the officer.
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When I was civilian with Plam ,we got pulled over for recklessing by an officer. At the end of traffic stop we convinced him pay us 100$ for recklessing instead of us paying him.
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When I was civilian with Plam ,we got pulled over for recklessing by an officer. At the end of traffic stop we convinced him pay us 100$ for recklessing instead of us paying him.
When I got stopped with Caltson, I evaded the questions with a statistic work, asking random questions and giggling around. In the end we were accusing the officer of racism and got suspected for Terrorism. I guess that's role-play... Expect the unexpected!
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When I was driving around, I was pulled over and handed a bucket of KFC and a box full of BigMacs.
I never knew I was going through a drive-through.. while going down a road.
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When I was driving around, I was pulled over and handed a bucket of KFC and a box full of BigMacs.
I never knew I was going through a drive-through.. while going down a road.
Whenever I get pulled over, I get a $250 fine for driving too slow.
Your so lucky! :mad:
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I would come with you in siuation 1 and 2 however I would tell you to leave the scene at Idlewood, why should you ask for tax when the police is busy arresting someone..;P
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It left with the players and groups :roll:
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which is why I try to extend
oh no, you didn't........damnnn
Are you serious? Dont log into Argonath RPG if you cannot RP.. Its a RP server, your expected to RP.
I think he means, people are bussy with their own roleplay that is more interesting, fun, continues more then the one offered.
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When I got stopped with Caltson, I evaded the questions with a statistic work, asking random questions and giggling around. In the end we were accusing the officer of racism and got suspected for Terrorism. I guess that's role-play... Expect the unexpected!
:roll:
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rp? what rp? what is this meaning
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Maybe people are busy with other things and cannot roleplay.
Then what the hell are you doing on a RP server?
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In my pants.
Seriously, hate people who don't even try on their part and moan about no RP all the damn time, I always get roleplay when I'm in game, and I do not have to be a member of any mafia, clan or group to do that, all I need is an effort, if you yourself don't make an effort, how can you expect others to even try?
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Let me know where you're getting this RP seriously, I rarely make three different RP situations. I would put that to what times I'm on and what I RP but I'm not sure.
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I remember there was once I murdered a police officer using a knife, and I was pursued by a group of FBI officers. After two minutes of chasing, I had to stop my car and surrender, as it was going to blow up soon. Into their car I went, I was brought to the FBI HQ in Vinewood. All of them left, except for one officer, who was there to interrogate me. The interrogation ended with the FBI officer stating that using a knife isn't allowed for self-defence, and I was faultless if I used a gun instead. I argued, "This is ridiculous! I refuse to give in and go to jail! How is a knife different from a gun during a self-defence situation?" "Both are weapons!" The FBI officer did not reply to my comment, perhaps ignoring it, requesting me to follow him once again. Still, I refused to budge, arguing about how ridiculous that particular law is. About thirty seconds later, an admin teleports to me and says, "Please follow this kind FBI officer." This time, I followed him, why would I want to risk being banned? As you can see, you are not given a heck even if you tried to roleplay. What is really wanted is to get the job done ASAP, without wasting time. And we all know - investigations and such take lots of time. Not trying to say that the FBI does not roleplay though.
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You cannot expect the RP to change or be restored by itself or by any one person, no matter how highly-ranked.
The change in RP will be based on little contributions, or on the actions of the people (as a whole) with regards to the matter at hand. Of course, the administration is in a position to impose some policy should it ever become necessary (which I hope it does not).
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Giac..argonath from 2008,2009,2010 is not here anymore.All the old players left,new players playing only for money.
Regards,Erico.
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Giac..argonath from 2008,2009,2010 is not here anymore.All the old players left,new players playing only for money.
Regards,Erico.
No.
And no, since when are all the old players gone? I am here, I have been around since 2008, many more that have posted in here are from 2008 and 2009 alike.
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No.
And no, since when are all the old players gone? I am here, I have been around since 2008, many more that have posted in here are from 2008 and 2009 alike.
well,not all but there are some players..Apropro,nu stiu daca ma mai tii minte.sunt roman ca si tine.
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Ayo! I am here, so atleast 2 old players are here! And I honestly don't give a crap about money, else I wouldn't have lost my 2M at a casino! ;o
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Here are many veteran players,neither moaning ones,neither inactive ones,neither the ones who do not complain .
Nothing changed except your will complain more . :cop:
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Ayo! I am here, so atleast 2 old players are here! And I honestly don't give a crap about money, else I wouldn't have lost my 2M at a casino! ;o
you lost 2 mil at casino?nice.I lost my 3 milions too. :banana:
:ps:I'm scariUta.remember next? :)
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If you guys dig up old topics, you'll hear same moaning about no RP, or some other problem. Its a human trait, we always think our past was better and dream of being superhuman in the future. :devroll:
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Who are you to complain about the lack of RP on the server? Two months ago you hunted me down and shot me in the face after I gave up and sat in a police car, because you were mad. Is that good role-play? No, and neither is some stupid tax for "standing on top of a high staircase". Who the fuck would like to roleplay that? You can't really blame other people for not wanting to RP that kind of crap.
In case you say that you didn't kill me over some pathetic, stupid reason, I'll attach some evidence to support my claims:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24ez2a8&s=6 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24ez2a8&s=6)
Oh, you were on duty too. Well, that really shows amazing role-play ability..
Clown.
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I have no clue who you are or think you are but we do not appreciate provokation in any form, nor complaining.
If you have a problem with someone killing you, please be my guest and send an email to [email protected]
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Here have some RP:
Cop RP: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=27086.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=27086.0)
Not cop RP: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87355.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87355.0)
I did not get all these screenshots by RPing with myself...
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Where did the RP go you ask... this is not something you ask everyone. It something you sit down and ask yourself. It isn't hiding from you. Go out there and find it. If you are finding an absence of RP it is not (only) the servers fault, you are the one who can make that control.
While yes, "RP" globally has changed a bit. It still exists.
Here have some RP:
Cop RP:http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=27086.0
Not cop RP: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87355.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87355.0)
I did not get all these screenshots by RPing with myself...
Prime examples. :lol:
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Roleplay has indeed changed.
The reason is players changing.
Current players are lazy and only seem to enjoy large amounts of money, cars and properties.
I rarely see players roleplaying.
Also the atmosphere in the server has changed.
Only people provoking each other, shouting abuse etc.
Maybe they went to srsbsns-rp servers and come to argonath casually for driving around / roaming since most of the servers would just ban you for non-rp driving or so :roll:
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Giac..argonath from 2008,2009,2010 is not here anymore.All the old players left,new players playing only for money.
Regards,Erico.
I joined late 2008, still here, don't care about money.
Maybe they went to srsbsns-rp servers and come to argonath casually for driving around / roaming since most of the servers would just ban you for non-rp driving or so :roll:
Very possible. ;)
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argonath from 2008,2009,2010 is not here anymore.All the old players left,new players playing only for money.
"oh god no old friends left everybody is money hungry this world is so cruel"
Can't tell if you guys are just trying to show off how old you are in this community or you are just being an emo.
Because things you say are totally incorrect.
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"oh god no old friends left everybody is money hungry this world is so cruel"
Can't tell if you guys are just trying to show off with how old you are in this community or you are just being an emo.
Because things you say are totally incorrect.
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4428/41653311av5.th.jpg)
WE'RE STILL HERE BABY.
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woooooooord
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WE STILL IN THIS THING MANG
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I roleplay in the grocery store, thankfully, i didn't see any freecops or Gandalf yet.
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Don't expect roleplay to fly-by if you don't do it yourself ;)
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A wise Estonian man once said:
On Argonath, you don't have to roleplay, which is why most people don't. You are allowed to mess around.
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Giac..argonath from 2008,2009,2010 is not here anymore.All the old players left,new players playing only for money.
Regards,Erico.
Hmm, in that case, don't click on my name and see my date of registration.
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Just a simple reply which has been hanging on my mind for a long time:
There used to be all types of roleplays found in Argonath RPG until people tried to protect Argonath RPG from moving on into new scripts which other servers had and new roleplay styles (talking about IC OOC Metagaming Powergaming aka roleplaying realisticly with limits) People who tried to roleplay like that were disrespected "LEET roleplayers go away", everyone tried to keep argonath unique from other servers by denieing some ideas which could had actually brought people more together. Currently true, many players are here for the money since money plays a big role in our everyday life also, you can't avoid that subject. We could have multiple styles RP in this server but unfortunately players or neither the vision support advancing roleplay or scripts which have been seen in some other servers.
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I have no clue who you are or think you are but we do not appreciate provokation in any form, nor complaining.
If you have a problem with someone killing you, please be my guest and send an email to [email protected]
Bah, who cares? This place is dying, and there's no idea trying to deny it.
The server has no monetary system. The whole economy is enormously inflated due to the ridiculous attempts to keep new, younger players happy by giving out massive amounts of free cash created from nothing. Admins are busy kicking people who accidently use capital letters instead of sorting out more direct problems, example stated above (Do you honestly think that I didn't report it?). The old players are leaving because they either grow up or grow sick of this, and they're being replaced by young kids who can't speak English and behave according to their level of maturity (pre-puberty.) Sad but true, there's no way to restore this place to what it once was, especially since you aren't allowed to give any sort of criticism - whether it's constructive or not (Hello DDR).
To be honest, I'm not really sure why I'm writing this since I don't play this game anymore, so I don't really care if someone will get the chance to read it and understand my point before this post gets deleted (censored) by yet another ass-licking moderator.
Thanks for the previous five years though, I guess.
Have a nice day.
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Bah, who cares? This place is dying, and there's no idea trying to deny it.
The server has no monetary system. The whole economy is enormously inflated due to the ridiculous attempts to keep new, younger players happy by giving out massive amounts of free cash created from nothing. Admins are busy kicking people who accidently use capital letters instead of sorting out more direct problems, example stated above (Do you honestly think that I didn't report it?). The old players are leaving because they either grow up or grow sick of this, and they're being replaced by young kids who can't speak English and behave according to their level of maturity (pre-puberty.) Sad but true, there's no way to restore this place to what it once was, especially since you aren't allowed to give any sort of criticism - whether it's constructive or not (Hello DDR).
To be honest, I'm not really sure why I'm writing this since I don't play this game anymore, so I don't really care if someone will get the chance to read it and understand my point before this post gets deleted (censored) by yet another ass-licking moderator.
Thanks for the previous five years though, I guess.
Have a nice day.
It appears you have a problem with Argonath itself, if so, why are you still here?
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Just a simple reply which has been hanging on my mind for a long time:
There used to be all types of roleplays found in Argonath RPG until people tried to protect Argonath RPG from moving on into new scripts which other servers had and new roleplay styles (talking about IC OOC Metagaming Powergaming aka roleplaying realisticly with limits) People who tried to roleplay like that were disrespected "LEET roleplayers go away", everyone tried to keep argonath unique from other servers by denieing some ideas which could had actually brought people more together... We could have multiple styles RP in this server but unfortunately players or neither the vision support advancing roleplay or scripts which have been seen in some other servers.
Well you can have all the metaplaying,powergaming, IC/OOC in your own clan/group circle of friendship. What was really the trouble as far as I remember was that everyone who used those aforementioned conditions tried to make that a standard according to which measure the abilities of roleplaying skills.
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It appears you have a problem with Argonath itself, if so, why are you still here?
Why do you bother asking this pathetic question if the point is something different than just 'I don't like this place anymore' ?
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Why do you bother asking this pathetic question if the point is something different than just 'I don't like this place anymore' ?
Should I call Dr Phil for you? Since you seem to have a problem with what I wrote.
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I like Ellen show :(
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tottaly agree with the topic question. got offline for some time and when I came back it was planet of the apes. but i already told it to the responsibles
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Should I call Dr Phil for you? Since you seem to have a problem with what I wrote.
You have problems with everyone, lol.
Bah, who cares? This place is dying, and there's no idea trying to deny it.
The server has no monetary system. The whole economy is enormously inflated due to the ridiculous attempts to keep new, younger players happy by giving out massive amounts of free cash created from nothing. Admins are busy kicking people who accidently use capital letters instead of sorting out more direct problems, example stated above (Do you honestly think that I didn't report it?). The old players are leaving because they either grow up or grow sick of this, and they're being replaced by young kids who can't speak English and behave according to their level of maturity (pre-puberty.) Sad but true, there's no way to restore this place to what it once was, especially since you aren't allowed to give any sort of criticism - whether it's constructive or not (Hello DDR).
To be honest, I'm not really sure why I'm writing this since I don't play this game anymore, so I don't really care if someone will get the chance to read it and understand my point before this post gets deleted (censored) by yet another ass-licking moderator.
Thanks for the previous five years though, I guess.
Have a nice day
Some points you said are true, as a player from 2009, i know exactly what you mean.
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Why all of you "veterans" of 2008-2009 and w/e have no ability to roleplay while Jcstoods does it daily?
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call my crazy but I hate the way no one gets hurt on the server, seriously its the opposite of the real world for example
Real world
Call 999/911 "I cut my thumb its bleeding a lot, HELP!"
In Game
*Head on collision @ Mulholland*
"Ah its nothing"
The only real world aspect of being a Paramedic is you tend to get calls in clumps like for example you'll spend the whole day waiting at the hospital then five calls come in at once, just typical..
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Why all of you "veterans" of 2008-2009 and w/e have no ability to roleplay while Jcstoods does it daily?
Roleplay? During and after 2011, every roleplay i created ended up with either:
1- Cops/SWAT preparing for deathmatch mode. Robbing a bank? Prepare to waste 30 minutes just to die by the constant spawning.
2- Some person complaining to his friend who turns out to be an admin about a certain person. You know of whom i am talking about and he isn't the only one.
3- Rookies thinking that a gun fight is the only way of solving a problem. I wonder if they learned this or are by themselves..
4- Freecops/Regular cops 24/7 chasing suspects with smg/combat/m4 on high paced vehicles. <Should i roleplay?
The only roleplay that seems to work is with the Bikers/Mexican/Ballas gangs. They have least some sense of roleplay. Now, i do like to roleplay criminal and not by the law side, etc, but having those types of clowns running around makes it very unappealing.
This is my first point of view, not a rant or anything.
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Why all of you "veterans" of 2008-2009 and w/e have no ability to roleplay while Jcstoods does it daily?
Please name every player who registered in that time period (by exact name please), or don't make damn generalities taking a stab at every player in that range. Roleplay exists, you need to find it, or shit just make it up as you go.
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The roleplay left with all the players that were told, "If you don't like it here, then leave."
The very statement that says to everyone, "Hey, we aren't ever going to listen to criticism, if you don't like it, go somewhere where your opinion matters."
Many people are starting to take that option.
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The roleplay left with all the players that were told, "If you don't like it here, then leave."
The very statement that says to everyone, "Hey, we aren't ever going to listen to criticism, if you don't like it, go somewhere where your opinion matters."
Many people are starting to take that option.
I agree, that pushed many people away from Argonath because Argonath isn't ready for a change.
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If you want your RP back,you gotta start RPing by yourselves.
I never have RP,because I'm not doing/getting involved in any. If I tried doing something about it,I'm sure the matters would change.
You people should probably try harder.
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Looks like all you expect from Argonath is real life roleplay and you can't call your self a veterans if the only thing you can do is come here,moan and say it never turned to RL RP so this sux .
There is those who rulebreak,there is those who chase orange dots,there is those who avoid roleplay when it have advantage over them in scenario.
However there is either those who are great roleplayers as an officers,there is those who no matter what goes down in they scenario remains in roleplay closing eyes on disadvantage they have.
You can't come here and accuse community as whole (Teddy pointed it out in his post) and claim server is not as it were.
Server is same,owners are same,people are different. If you wish to change it then lead by example like Jcs does instead of coming here ,pointing out your whenmade and then claiming your an experiencing member of this community who crawls out of his rl rp things and finds an proper time to shit on something he claims he have been apart of.
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I never accused the entire community of having no Roleplay - I gave three scenarios where I believed no roleplay was given back to my attempts. A few people in here have taken my words very far out of context and see it as an attack on the whole community. If I didn't like what this community had become, why would I still be here? If I wasn't satisfied with the roleplay I was getting on a whole, why would I connect?
This topic was simply made to bring to light the laziness of a few individuals, not to make it seem as though I hated this community.
If you guys cannot read my post before posting and continue to go off topic and accuse me of shits I did not say, I will lock the topic and report your post.
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Looks like all you expect from Argonath is real life roleplay and you can't call your self a veterans if the only thing you can do is come here,moan and say it never turned to RL RP so this sux .
There is those who rulebreak,there is those who chase orange dots,there is those who avoid roleplay when it have advantage over them in scenario.
However there is either those who are great roleplayers as an officers,there is those who no matter what goes down in they scenario remains in roleplay closing eyes on disadvantage they have.
You can't come here and accuse community as whole (Teddy pointed it out in his post) and claim server is not as it were.
Server is same,owners are same,people are different. If you wish to change it then lead by example like Jcs does instead of coming here ,pointing out your whenmade and then claiming your an experiencing member of this community who crawls out of his rl rp things and finds an proper time to shit on something he claims he have been apart of.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?
No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?
I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?
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That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?
No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?
I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?
You've got a point, many old players were chased away after being disrespected and harassed by others about their way they express Role-play.
Even though you have a point all of this needs to be toned down a bit before an argument erupts.
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New players on Argonath (the majority) have no idea on how to initiate RP.
They do however know how to make money which requires no knowledge of RP.
And it's very nice that Jcstodds roleplays every day but it is not even close to what the server was in 2009.
If you want the server to roleplay, involve the majority of the server, not just a small amount.
Also stop caring about money but try to interact with players more.
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It's pretty simple... Gandalf and others from the HQ have said it multiple times - Newcommers repeat what they see. If they see players ram and shoot eachother for no reason they will think that is the right thing to do.
If you are not able to obey the rules you have nothing to do here.
If you ignore rulebreakers and gets revenge by rulebreak you are nothing else then a rulebreaker and a terrible rolemodel.
If you complain at newcommers and accuse them of abusing, how do you expect them to learn and remain in the server?
I hear daily "What do not he got punished?!" - Do you seriously expect me, as an administrator, to issue a temporary ban on a newcommer who have been deathmatching because he spotted a "gangwar" there nothing else then bullets got exhanged? Majority of you are terrible on leading by example and all you do is complain on the current status of the community but what are you doing to improve it? I have seen few extremely good attempts since my return from my two weeks "vacation" but I have seen far more complains and rage quits. It is understandable that you, as a "normal" player don't wish to instruct newcommers as you think it is not your duty but do not complain next time you being abused by the same player.
Either you do something or you don't.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?
No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?
I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?
I haven't said anything regarding someones ability to roleplay,you misunderstood this pretty badly. I pointed out that people complaining about others being lazy of roleplay,should be the ones trying improve it instead. Pointing to RL RP I pointed to main fact regarding forced roleplay which most of moaners complain about. I forced him rp,he don't want,he bad. This is free roleplay gaming and it's not when ever you roleplay one side mafiosi using bunch of /me or doing /me is spiderman while being an officer arresting criminal.
How you represent your roleplay is up to you but you shouldn't force upon someone else your believes how it should be done either.
I like serious roleplay equally to simple one and have no judgement between them,none should. And if we are discussing when ever we are lacking roleplay or not then let's not forget that we can't force players to roleplay so we shouldn't complain about it either.
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How about turning off money system on the server, just for a goddamn day? Everybody gets money absolutely deleted, everything you can get for free. Guns, cars, houses, property - nothing requires money.
After that, everyone will decide whether they're on the server for roleplay or for money.
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New players on Argonath (the majority) have no idea on how to initiate RP.
You sir, is wrong.
How about turning off money system on the server, just for a goddamn day? Everybody gets money absolutely deleted, everything you can get for free. Guns, cars, houses, property - nothing requires money.
After that, everyone will decide whether they're on the server for roleplay or for money.
Nothx.
Also I completely agree with Mash's post.
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Also I completely agree with Mash's post.
May I kindly ask what's keeping you from it? You personally?
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Why should there be a debate between if this is RL RP or mixed RP?
I mean, if you like Real life Roleplay, then find others who do and RP along with them. If your more open about RP, then find others. I honestly can not seem to find what the challenge is here. Money can be a tool in RP, so getting rid of it is senseless. Use the tools you have to make the best of RP, anims, money, drugs, and even guns. Yes, you can use a gun without DM... do most? Not really. But this is GTA, so some level of gun-violence is first nature of the game.
People need to wake up to see that Roleplay exists, you need to just find it and embrace it. Someone doesn't RP? fu*ck them, let it go and move on to find others who will.
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Why should there be a debate between if this is RL RP or mixed RP?
That's what I'm trying to say, everything should be accepted.
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May I kindly ask what's keeping you from it? You personally?
That is the sort of attitude that makes me take away players right to play on the server temporary.
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That is the sort of attitude that makes me take away players right to play on the server temporary.
Because I require elaboration on why? Same as saying this server is shit and not explaining why, or telling you are a bad person and dont explain why. These are just examples of what I mean, or you do not like constructive criticism that much, Mash?
In any case, stay on topic, we do not discuss admin regulations and general attitude here.
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There are people here in this community whose roleplay does not necessarily match those of the older veteran population, yet not ostracized by the community nor seen by the administration as a problem.
Those who were ostracized from Argonath for "having a different view" were not looked upon negatively for having a different view... the actual reason is that they choose to express themselves with complete disregard for how our community works and without respect for the opinions of others who are different from them.
Argonath is a community of many players, of many playing styles. We do not have anything against diversity in this community. Rather, what we cannot accept are people who come into this community and express themselves while without respect for how our community works, which includes expressing views contrary to our community.
Someone mentioned that the Argonath community cannot take criticisms... that is not the case. Those who have "criticized" the community have either expressed nothing but moans destructive criticism, or tried to change the community to suit their own vision. Do not confuse those with positive criticism, as it has been proven over time that the Admin HQ does take actions if the players see something genuinely wrong rather than simply complaining for complaining's sake.
If someone cannot respect how the Argonath system works (which includes not trying to change the community to suit their own vision), they are better off leaving.
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"YOU DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE"; "ARGO WILL NOT BE A RLRP SERVER"; "STOP MOANING"; "
Why is it that every time someone brings up a genuine problem to discussed it's always deemed as moaning? I don't see Giac's point to be moaning at all. I see him attempting to at least try and do something different to revive what Argonath Roleplay at least used to be. Then when it fails and people don't want to spend time roleplaying, he brings it up to see the opinions of others.
No where does he say "OMG WHY IS THERE NO RP THIS FUCKING SUCKS ADMINS SHOULD DO SOMETHING". So why does everyone, especially a few admins, claim that this is moaning and that he is requesting the server to become a "RL-RP" server?
Seriously, stop avoiding the problem. I understand Argonath wants to stick to their original vision. It's a great vision, it's perfect for the community. But it's up to the players to change how things flow, not the owners. So instead of sitting on the forums saying everything is moaning, get in game and help.
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How can you people spend this amount of time and deducation in debating over and over about the same subject, that is so simple and in a way stupid, such as roleplay.
Seriously, you made a science out of nothing.
I understand the new people who been with us for a year max, but people who're old veterans stil have a need of writing a tl;dr reply when ever someone makes a topic like this.
If you care so much about roleplay, less talk on forum, more actions in game.
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Provocative post removed.
Still, he is right.
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Still, he is right.
I'm afraid not.
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Still, he is right.
>http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u= (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=)19893
shhhh
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What's wrong with it? Just because I play since 2010 I have no right to support any idea? :lol:
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Still, he is right.
Yes, JDC has a lot of good views and points, most of which I agree with, but he's more interested in winning an argument then he is in actually helping change the atmosphere in-game.
As such most of his actions work counter-productive and only helps fuel the flame.
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If you care so much about roleplay, less talk on forum, more actions in game.
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>http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u= (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=)19893
shhhh
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u= (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=)2975
gtfo scrub.
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I agree that most of the times the message isn't 100% clear, but still he reaches important points.
And again, if you have any problem with my registration date and having an opinion make sure to express it Daco!
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>http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u= (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=)19893
shhhh
Should we give you a cake ? Lets not put veteran topkop wanna be attitude shall we ?
Cofi said everything that needed to be said in several words, which none could say in several pages:
If you care so much about roleplay, less talk on forum, more actions in game.
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Giac.. no roleplay for you bud. You've been a naughty boy since the day you started playing.
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Refer to my signature which was from a similar moan topic.
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Refer to my signature which was from a similar moan topic.
>implying this topic had the intention to be a moan topic.
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You've been a naughty boy since the day you started playing.
Coming from an ex-hacker.
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always some old guy starts a newpaper acting serious and gets the thrill to watch everybody getting trolled
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Yes, JDC has a lot of good views and points, most of which I agree with, but he's more interested in winning an argument then he is in actually helping change the atmosphere in-game.
As such most of his actions work counter-productive and only helps fuel the flame.
v^
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u= (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=)2975
gtfo scrub.
You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.
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You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.
I was... I don't... wha... :gd:
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I was... I don't... wha... :gd:
Next time use [sarcasm][/sarcasm]
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You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.
wut
Post Merge: July 31, 2012, 01:18:22 am
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Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.
I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.
One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."
That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.
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Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.
I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.
One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."
That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.
Issue new rules then. like the ARA.
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Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.
I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.
One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."
That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.
You can't eat two apples at once.
That said, you also cannot roleplay two different situations on one exact same spot in particular cases.
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Issue new rules then. like the ARA.
I understand your point however, you don't need every written rule when it comes to common sense / roleplay.
Pretty obvious that if you do /ad Maratho etc. It's of some roleplay, and getting permission for this event from the necesarry authority is a no brainer and ingorance to the laws shouldn't be dismissed with "EVENT".
This isn't "Argonath Mini Events", however they very popualar and perhaps they should make it
I just want to hear from Developers, is it wrong for me to think this way? To think that such roles exist and they are not supposed to function becuase "EVENT"
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why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.
An event does not always involve roleplay, they are for players to interact with each other, have fun and earn some money at the same time
Events have always been something Argonath is good at and will always be good at
I have always looked at Argonath as a server where you create your own roleplay scenarios, which is why it's different from other servers
If you are driving a car, you should be prepared to interact with other road users
If you are on police duty, you should be prepared to interact with civilians, suspects and other police officers
If you are standing outside City Hall doing nothing, expect players to drive past without paying much attention - but you should be prepared for random people to approach you because they might be in the middle of a roleplay
With that being said, creating an event which doesn't involve roleplay expects players to join this event without roleplaying, simple
If you approach players who are participating in such an event with intentions to roleplay with them, then it could be seen as ruining the event because that particular event wasn't created for roleplay
This isn't related to your question but it is a good time to answer it (from my point of view, isn't official):
Refusing to take part in a roleplay - allowed or not?
The most obvious answer to this question is that you cannot refuse to roleplay on a roleplay server, but from what I previously said about Argonath being a server that allows you to create your own roleplay scenarios, I think there are occasions where refusing to roleplay is acceptable
For instance, if you are on fire duty waiting at the fire station for the next mission when a mafia approaches you and attempts to kidnap, I feel you should be allowed to refuse to take part in it
Why? Because you have chosen to start a role as a firefighter - what does that have to do with armed mafias threatening your life over money? Nothing
However, this situation can be executed on another player who has hostile connections with the mafia, in that case I don't see why you should refuse to roleplay with them
You created that connection, therefore you should be responsible for maintaining roleplay between it
The most common situation I have dealt with is when a mafia member refuses to roleplay with another mafia because they know they will get killed
If you are in a mafia, be prepared to interact with other mafias
If you are refusing to roleplay with another mafia because you might get killed, then you should considering changing role
Like I said, that answer was from my perspective, if Gandalf thinks it's bullshit then that is up to him - he makes the rules
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An event does not always involve roleplay, they are for players to interact with each other, have fun and earn some money at the same time
Events have always been something Argonath is good at and will always be good at
I have always looked at Argonath as a server where you create your own roleplay scenarios, which is why it's different from other servers
If you are driving a car, you should be prepared to interact with other road users
If you are on police duty, you should be prepared to interact with civilians, suspects and other police officers
If you are standing outside City Hall doing nothing, expect players to drive past without paying much attention - but you should be prepared for random people to approach you because they might be in the middle of a roleplay
With that being said, creating an event which doesn't involve roleplay expects players to join this event without roleplaying, simple
If you approach players who are participating in such an event with intentions to roleplay with them, then it could be seen as ruining the event because that particular event wasn't created for roleplay
This isn't related to your question but it is a good time to answer it (from my point of view, isn't official):
Refusing to take part in a roleplay - allowed or not?
The most obvious answer to this question is that you cannot refuse to roleplay on a roleplay server, but from what I previously said about Argonath being a server that allows you to create your own roleplay scenarios, I think there are occasions where refusing to roleplay is acceptable
For instance, if you are on fire duty waiting at the fire station for the next mission when a mafia approaches you and attempts to kidnap, I feel you should be allowed to refuse to take part in it
Why? Because you have chosen to start a role as a firefighter - what does that have to do with armed mafias threatening your life over money? Nothing
However, this situation can be executed on another player who has hostile connections with the mafia, in that case I don't see why you should refuse to roleplay with them
You created that connection, therefore you should be responsible for maintaining roleplay between it
The most common situation I have dealt with is when a mafia member refuses to roleplay with another mafia because they know they will get killed
If you are in a mafia, be prepared to interact with other mafias
If you are refusing to roleplay with another mafia because you might get killed, then you should considering changing role
Like I said, that answer was from my perspective, if Gandalf thinks it's bullshit then that is up to him - he makes the rules
^ Confusing.
Please answer on airports for example which is used everyday where ATC and Pilots use as a source of roleplay and someone comes makes an event on it.
There are some people who use common sense and pick up the phone and contact an ATC who discusess the issues then trys to liase with relevent people - EMS, rescuers, police and it all goes fine. But then some are like "Dude lol? Wtf it's an event" but it's also then a roleplay server... so why spoil it for those who want to roleplay.
I see the whole feeling towards such issue varys from one admin to another and as that happens the general rule / message / view becomes corrupt and as a result people must think "Oh wait I roleplay this a long time but I should worry now because this admin is on and not that admin" or "its this guy and not that guy" or "it's an event".
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Ideally, if you are in the process of roleplaying ATC and using the airport, then the person hosting the event should contact you to inform you about it and make sure it doesn't affect your roleplay
On the other hand, if you want to start the roleplay after the event started, then don't expect the event to stop
Remember that the airport is a public area and isn't controlled by ATC, anyone can roleplay there or create events there assuming nothing is currently going on
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Ideally, if you are in the process of roleplaying ATC and using the airport, then the person hosting the event should contact you to inform you about it and make sure it doesn't affect your roleplay
On the other hand, if you want to start the roleplay after the event started, then don't expect the event to stop
Remember that the airport is a public area and isn't controlled by ATC, anyone can roleplay there or create events there assuming nothing is currently going on
yes, makes sense so far but then:
o-o "isn't controlled by ATC" - well this is news.
What is ATC then? and why do many pilots ask for permission to land and or take off from ATC?
I need to see a final official notice on this bit you just mention!!
Just like your example of fireman waiting for next issue, ATC is waiting for next roleplay so there is no question that they need to contact ATC before hand who will roleplay and every pilot who will be landing or roleplaying on airport also needs to be contacted.
I can't say I agree with it's a public place, as in anyone just walks in and chills on the runway, is that your opinion or law and or rule?
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Air traffic controllers are people trained to maintain the safe, orderly and expeditious flow of air traffic
The only time ATC are allowed to control other people is when they are in the path of an aircraft (IRL)
In Argonath, in roleplay terms, the same situation applies I guess, but it doesn't affect people who aren't involved in such roleplay
The airport isn't closed to the public, there are gates, but anyone can operate them
This means anyone can enter at any time unless the area is closed for a valid reason
As for that being my opinion, a law or a rule:
It isn't stated in the rules therefore it is not a rule
It isn't stated in the laws therefore it is not a law - However, if the police have closed an area and someone refuses to comply, that is breaking the law
This isn't my opinion, it is common sense - if it's not listed as being closed to the public, then it's not closed to the public
If you have any sources which state otherwise, I would like to see them
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The only time ATC are allowed to control other people is when they are in the path of an aircraft (IRL)
In Argonath, in roleplay terms, the same situation applies I guess, but it doesn't affect people who aren't involved in such roleplay
The airport isn't closed to the public, there are gates, but anyone can operate them
This means anyone can enter at any time unless the area is closed for a valid reason
As for that being my opinion, a law or a rule:
It isn't stated in the rules therefore it is not a rule
It isn't stated in the laws therefore it is not a law - However, if the police have closed an area and someone refuses to comply, that is breaking the law
This isn't my opinion, it is common sense - if it's not listed as being closed to the public, then it's not closed to the public
If you have any sources which state otherwise, I would like to see them
When those gates where put in there was these people known as "Federal Aviation Authority" - basically the Airport police. They used to control the in and out of people and where made up of SAPD's APRD etc and I don't think there was any official complaint / objection to it.
A runway is a place of which an aircraft may need to use within seconds of notice, and thus I put it to you that ATC is - due to the nature of air flight that at all and any times ATC is liable and in control for what goes on with the runways.
This could be his own opinion but just today an FBI suggested the ATC should be incharge of or make sure security such as police are in place for airports, it was mentioned to the FBI that ATC relied on police for this sort of stuff, but SAPD (specifically, but perhaps also included all ARPD) apparently has no official rule / procedure when ensuring security or policing of airports are concerned - this coming about from further investigation.
But like you say it's not in the laws.
This is however a controversial subject.
Post Merge: August 02, 2012, 01:18:35 am
BTw, when an event has started and someone didn't tell ATC but ATC just comes to do ATC / just notices it - itis too late to stop it and probably not right to but most of the times you just have a word and say that some things should be made aware of then it goes on.
It's a minor thing and it does offer many to take part in the event.
But then and again it depends on the admin online and if Admins really are involved in "events"
Dear Mr Monte_Montague,
I can share your concern regarding the use of public places for poorly organised events. However the Contitution is not to protect public places, but to secure the rights of citizens to create and hold public events.
Protection of events and citizens is a task for de executive force. In general I would suggest organisers of events to obtain cooperation from the respective authorities to safeguard the public.
We have that but we just need to now know the definition of respective authorites, where the respective places are concerned :lol: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87782.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87782.0)
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Until there is a similar organisation which acts as airport police, the airports will be open to the public
Ruining roleplay is against server rules, if someone ruins your roleplay then report them and any online admins will rectify it
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Until there is a similar organisation which acts as airport police, the airports will be open to the public
Ruining roleplay is against server rules, if someone ruins your roleplay then report them and any online admins will rectify it
But your roleplay could be spoiling their event.
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But your roleplay could be spoiling their event.
Depends which started first, you will be ruining their event if you start roleplaying through it, but the event hoster will be ruining your roleplay if they start an event in the middle of it
The word "ruining" is slightly exaggerated, but anything you do to change the outcome of an event or a roleplay, no matter how small, will result in punishment - from a small talk with an admin to a server ban, depending what you did to change the outcome
Anyway, I'm going off to bed now, I'm sure Gandalf will read this tomorrow and will correct anything I've said that is wrong or add to things I've missed out
If you have any more questions then you will have to wait for someone else to reply
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Depends which started first, you will be ruining their event if you start roleplaying through it, but the event hoster will be ruining your roleplay if they start an event in the middle of it
The word "ruining" is slightly exaggerated, but anything you do to change the outcome of an event or a roleplay, no matter how small, will result in punishment - from a small talk with an admin to a server ban, depending what you did to change the outcome
And ofcourse that depends on the admin there.
Event was there, but keep in mine ATC is always there, and they want event - so I say who authorise it. SAPD say "We" then I say "you are SAPD, ATC is ATC" - ok no fiasco just clearance, then "but you need to tell ATC so some stuff can be sorted" admin says in pm "supervise it" so I ask, please make sure you hav rescuers/medics on standby (quickly arranged) and you fly over water - plane surf event - people don't die, fly over water :) still same fun.
Almost everything will depend on the admin, there is huge differances.
I remember one time saing I saw once that it wasn't allowed for a suspects friend to help if they're not suspected and if they want to be involved they should get suspect.
Admin was like "LOL WTF." "BITCH PROVE IT" "You have been kicked from server"
Several months later I see admins kicking for what I said or it appearing on event info / announce.
I join you in slumberland.
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Ruining roleplay is against server rules, if someone ruins your roleplay then report them and any online admins will rectify it
:hurray:
I remember one time saing I saw once that it wasn't allowed for a suspects friend to help if they're not suspected and if they want to be involved they should get suspect.
Admin was like "LOL WTF." "bad girl PROVE IT" "You have been kicked from server"
Several months later I see admins kicking for what I said or it appearing on event info / announce.
It was some time ago it was like that, but I'm happy with the current admin team, they always prefer to talk it out than randomly kick or warn you, unless you keep doing it, or it may affect others.
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:hurray:
It was some time ago it was like that, but I'm happy with the current admin team, they always prefer to talk it out than randomly kick or warn you, unless you keep doing it, or it may affect others.
Well, I aint got nothing against them personally but the same admin is still an admin, my point is it everything in-game always depends on which admin is online.
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ROLEPLAY IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE METAL!!!
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ROLEPLAY IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE METAL!!!
No ur dead evil! :pop:
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ROLEPLAY IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE METAL!!!
METAL :rockstar:
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:ram:
Always a facepalm opportunity when Leon is around.
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LEAVE IT TO ME TO KILL TOPICS THAT PISS PEOPLE OFF
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LEAVE IT TO ME TO KILL TOPICS THAT PISS PEOPLE OFF
:bow:
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LEAVE IT TO ME TO KILL TOPICS THAT PISS PEOPLE OFF
FUCK YOU
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RP is dead man. You can hate me for saying that but i speak true. All that the crime families do now is get in a car get suspected and run all day from cops. The gangs do advertisement wars like who can make more ads about the gang and randomly shoot each other. I have the feeling that all that people do is drive around and talk on /p and occasionally have a shootout somewhere.
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RP is dead man. You can hate me for saying that but i speak true. All that the crime families do now is get in a car get suspected and run all day from cops. The gangs do advertisement wars like who can make more ads about the gang and randomly shoot each other. I have the feeling that all that people do is drive around and talk on /p and occasionally have a shootout somewhere.
Try looking harder. Invent your own scenarios, let a scenario come naturally, or just drive around and try to find one. I had a nice RP where I held the LSPD donut truck hostage. Only Aimzz cared about the moist, delicious donuts though. :(
I also remember one the day before that where a police officer killed Hidduh by giving him terrible medical attention. :lol:
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RP is dead man. You can hate me for saying that but i speak true. All that the crime families do now is get in a car get suspected and run all day from cops. The gangs do advertisement wars like who can make more ads about the gang and randomly shoot each other. I have the feeling that all that people do is drive around and talk on /p and occasionally have a shootout somewhere.
if you stopped dressing yourself like esl irl and spent some time IG, you'd see the truth that roleplay is still around. Those who say RP is dead are either blind, trolling or simply are not in game at all.
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if you stopped dressing yourself like esl irl and spent some time IG, you'd see the truth that roleplay is still around. Those who say RP is dead are either blind, trolling or simply are not in game at all.
You are just being pathetic by trying to provoke me. I am IG every day.
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Make a pattern with the dudes who you find interesting to roleplay with, and mix it with a few new individuals and you will be more than amused.
Everybody is not roleplaying, that's straight fact. Nevertheless you can ignore their inability of wanting to roleplay by simply obscure their corner/hangout spot/HQ and head for a place you know there's roleplay around.
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You are just being pathetic by trying to provoke me. I am IG every day.
myself dressed like esl irl ;)
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RP is dead man. You can hate me for saying that but i speak true. All that the crime families do now is get in a car get suspected and run all day from cops. The gangs do advertisement wars like who can make more ads about the gang and randomly shoot each other. I have the feeling that all that people do is drive around and talk on /p and occasionally have a shootout somewhere.
I don't know what server you are playing on, but the last time I checked, this is Argonath, where roleplay happens on a daily basis to those who are actually not lazy as fuck.
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I don't know what server you are playing on, but the last time I checked, this is Argonath, where roleplay happens on a daily basis to those who are actually not lazy as f**k.
Argonath population: 130 players.. Lazy player 120.
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Argonath population: 130 players.. Lazy player 120.
If all you are going to do is moan and shit on this community, then you have no further purpose being here.
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Argonath population: 130 players.. Lazy player 120.
It is negativity like this that affects the fun everyone has.
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Make a pattern with the dudes who you find interesting to roleplay with, and mix it with a few new individuals and you will be more than amused.
Everybody is not roleplaying, that's straight fact. Nevertheless you can ignore their inability of wanting to roleplay by simply obscure their corner/hangout spot/HQ and head for a place you know there's roleplay around.
Que made it perfect,and most of players having inability to roleplay are the ones shitting here how awful it is .
You just sit your lazy moaner asses of and waiting for your chance to shitstorm and moan,because that's all your made of instead of going ingame and actually doing the things your self.
You come into server expecting roleplay fall into your hands like whale who opens mouth and not putting any effort you obviously do not succeed. Then come here and discuss your hard roleplayer experience of not having a roleplay,while you ,your self miss the oportunity.
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I just pointed out a truth. You than decided it would be best to call me lazy, non-rper and other stuff only because i said something bad about your glorious argonath. I never said argonath sucks or anything i love argonath and i cannot play on any other server. Just learn how to take a critic.
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It is negativity like this that affects the fun everyone has.
Tell me that this does not look a little bit like Cops N Robbers? No offence, but tell me that. And as fast as you make your statement to the staff about it, it's being trashed.
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Where did all the roleplay go
Just RP it.
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I just pointed out a truth. You than decided it would be best to call me lazy, non-rper and other stuff only because i said something bad about your glorious argonath. I never said argonath sucks or anything i love argonath and i cannot play on any other server. Just learn how to take a critic.
There is truth and then there is you and your opinion,don't mix them up please. It's not about defending what your apart of,it's about your logic what makes me and probably other people disappointed,you complain however you have shown no effort what so ever into roleplay your self and then you speak about "truth" which is just another lazy dude who can't perform by him self.
We had and still have well known roleplayers who been or are apart of this community and who never had an issue with the roleplay in this server.
And the reason is,because those people put effort what they are looking for,they all are unique and they performance is excellent and it affects everyone.
When ever it was 58 Street lead by Que and other great leaders not playing anymore,when ever at cop side it was Jcs,CBF,Hank .
But they are those few I can rub in your face when moaner like you appears and what ever you say opposite just to win an argument or prove your "truth" which is just sad ,doesn't matter.because we got our facts ,our history and people proving there is roleplay and you get it with an effort put into it.
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I dont see the conectas around anymore. And i never said argo sucked ive been part of some real rp too. I made 900k only out of RP selling RP oil. So don't call me lazy and other shit ive witnessed people who prefer to chase around with cops all day like if this is cops n robbers than to do some real crime rp.
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I dont see the conectas around anymore. And i never said argo sucked ive been part of some real rp too. I made 900k only out of RP selling RP oil. So don't call me lazy and other shit ive witnessed people who prefer to chase around with cops all day like if this is cops n robbers than to do some real crime rp.
So from lack of rp you move it to cops n robbers? You people lose your track what your unhappy for which brings even more confusion.
First it's RP,then it's cops n robbers,and next will be lack of scripts or dislike of Argonath vision?
If you have an issue regarding criminals or cops,you should either contact Chief ,President,Family owners not sit in this topic and complain how shitty your day been in Argonath.
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You clearly know what im talking about and yes there are scripts that could be added not that there is something wrong with the current ones. You see when i say that the rp is almost gone and that people act like cops and robbers or when im proposing a new script to be added im doing it so the server can become a better place. But the problem is that EVERY time someone proposes a new thing the admins act defensive like argonath is the best thing ever and it cannot become any better so any proposal is understood like a critic and man you are all like Argonath is perfect and shit we dont want to be like other servers ( saying it in your own words ). Accept it that when someone says that tsomething is wrong you should fix it not be all like to the gulag with you for criticizing the state.
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You clearly know what im talking about and yes there are scripts that could be added not that there is something wrong with the current ones. You see when i say that the rp is almost gone and that people act like cops and robbers or when im proposing a new script to be added im doing it so the server can become a better place. But the problem is that EVERY time someone proposes a new thing the admins act defensive like argonath is the best thing ever and it cannot become any better so any proposal is understood like a critic and man you are all like Argonath is perfect and shit we dont want to be like other servers ( saying it in your own words ). Accept it that when someone says that tsomething is wrong you should fix it not be all like to the gulag with you for criticizing the state.
I indeed see what you talk about same as rest who always looked comparing Argonath to RL RP servers.Were consequences for death are much stronger,scripts are more to hold it with in the forced boundaries of RP. However it's time to realize that owners build up this community with they vision which they hold ground whit .
Community always been opened for every type of roleplayers but it always lead to player own decision when ever to stay or not. Many great roleplayers had Argonath as beginning and ended up on RL RP servers and it was they decision,however they never came here and complained about how Argonath is not similar to others,and you shouldn't.
You should stop trying to change or rebuild something what will always remain the same and never change. You should stop complain about everything what is within Argonath vision,when there is other servers offering your taste and rather go play there and enjoy your time .
Argonath have no issues,people does and those people either complain or leave however Argonath will always remain the same and you shouldn't fight or try to change it because after all it's not country were you decide how it will be lead,but world of it's own with owner and his vision when he build this server the way he wanted.
Now it's all up to you,leave or stay , roleplay or not,improve or complain .
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I don't know what server you are playing on, but the last time I checked, this is Argonath, where roleplay happens on a daily basis to those who are actually not lazy as f**k.
And you do not belong to those who roleplay.Just so you know.
Argonath population: 130 players.. Lazy player 120.
Get it right.
If all you are going to do is moan and shit on this community, then you have no further purpose being here.
All you do is even more moan and confronting potentially complainants.
I just pointed out a truth. You than decided it would be best to call me lazy, non-rper and other stuff only because i said something bad about your glorious argonath. I never said argonath sucks or anything i love argonath and i cannot play on any other server. Just learn how to take a critic.
You do have a correct point, however that does not mean that RP is 'completely dead'.That expression is just overly exaggerated.
Just RP it.
Not sure if trying to kiss a certain someone's ass or just plain stupid.
Truth is, some people know how to state things perfectly, some go a little too far with sharing their thoughts and some just share their utterly degenerated statements.Roleplay is not dead [yet], however the wires of RP go through 1-2 fourth of all players, the rest is occupied by new people that are not being advised and/or being helped, just random people to deathmatch and eventually fuck around and administrators.And I sure as hell can affirm you that the last two groups are the reason that RP is actually decreasing. Yes, I'm heading off the subject a little, but you can hardly tell me this is false (unless JDC pops up and speaks another upholder of moral standards claiming that he is right, yuck).
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Not sure if trying to kiss a certain someone's ass or just plain stupid.
Deeply sorry to hurt your feelings, sis.
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Deeply sorry to hurt your feelings, sis.
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I myself would ban anybody who doesn't roleplay and does OOC constantly.
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Thats why you're not leading this community :rules:
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and does OOC constantly.
:roll:
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I myself would ban anybody who doesn't roleplay and does OOC constantly.
((brb))
Hey man /me extends his hands to the steering wheel and turns it in a 43,5 degree angle. How about this ?
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((brb))
Hey man /me extends his hands to the steering wheel and turns it in a 43,5 degree angle. How about this ?
me nods in italian accent, extending his eyes.
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Hey man /me extends his hands to the steering wheel and turns it in a 43,5 degree angle. How about this ?
No you must extend your hands and rotate your arms at a 37 degree angle in a British accent.
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No you must extend your hands and rotate your arms at a 37 degree angle in a British accent.
/me drives into a lamppost at the speed of 57,9km/h thanks to Stormeus and his odd instruction and hits the steering wheel with his forehead.
/s [BRITISH ACCENT] Why thank you, you bloody cunt!!
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/me takes a deep breath for 3,5 seconds and moves his eye balls to North east proceeding to 330 degrees.
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/me takes a deep breath for 3,5 seconds and moves his eye balls to North east proceeding to 330 degrees.
lol.
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1) Pic doesn't show up or work at all for me
2) Meme?
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I don't know what server you are playing on, but the last time I checked, this is Argonath, where roleplay happens on a daily basis to those who are actually not lazy as f**k.
>Implying add a Tag saying RPIT defines him a roleplayer.
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And you do not belong to those who roleplay.Just so you know.
Says someone who is moaning that roleplay is dead. It seems those four words in your signature actually paint a good picture of yourself.
Perhaps you should invest in something called a mirror.
All you do is even more moan and confronting potentially complainants.
No, I uphold the facts for those (such as yourself and the OP) spreading false bullshit about this community in an attempt to present a distorted viewpoint of it. Stop spreading false bullshit about Argonath, or leave this community and go someplace you actually belong.
I would tell you about how I can (and do) find roleplay opportunities whenever I enter the server, but I see no need to dignify moaners with something they are incapable of understanding anyway. I consider roleplay as a routine action that can be done anytime, whether planned or arbitrary, rather than some sort of fabled treasure that increases your e-penis size when found.
There is no sense at all in those who moan about roleplay on this server being dead, and still play on this server. Only complete idiots would stick to an RP server where they see no RP anyway.
Argonath has always been a great community with many wonderful opportunities for RP (for those who actually take the effort to look), and moaners who spread bullshit that there is no RP here, have no place in this community.
>Implying add a Tag saying RPIT defines him a roleplayer.
Unless you have reading problems, you will see the tag is "RPIT", and not "IROLEPLAY", "IRP", "SEXISGOOD", et cetera.
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STOP IT JDC THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD
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Unless you have reading problems, you will see the tag is "RPIT", and not "IROLEPLAY", "IRP", "SEXISGOOD", et cetera.
but the last time I checked, this is Argonath, where roleplay happens on a daily basis to those who are actually not lazy as f**k.
thats the deal
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Says someone who is moaning that roleplay is dead. It seems those four words in your signature actually paint a good picture of yourself.
Perhaps you should invest in something called a mirror.
No, I uphold the facts for those (such as yourself and the OP) spreading false bullshit about this community in an attempt to present a distorted viewpoint of it. Stop spreading false bullshit about Argonath, or leave this community and go someplace you actually belong.
I would tell you about how I can (and do) find roleplay opportunities whenever I enter the server, but I see no need to dignify moaners with something they are incapable of understanding anyway. I consider roleplay as a routine action that can be done anytime, whether planned or arbitrary, rather than some sort of fabled treasure that increases your e-penis size when found.
There is no sense at all in those who moan about roleplay on this server being dead, and still play on this server. Only complete idiots would stick to an RP server where they see no RP anyway.
Argonath has always been a great community with many wonderful opportunities for RP (for those who actually take the effort to look), and moaners who spread bullshit that there is no RP here, have no place in this community.
Unless you have reading problems, you will see the tag is "RPIT", and not "IROLEPLAY", "IRP", "SEXISGOOD", et cetera.
>SPECIALITY: philosopher in theoretical roleplay
>logs in once a month
dont mind me just trying to save the topic :cool:
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Everybody knows that cops are the best RPers :redface:
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A RP does not have to last for 30 minutes to be good.
For the rest, the situation in game is far better as some people try to make us believe here.
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It's not as easy as you say it to be. Find a roleplay that lasts for a good 30 minutes or ... atleast be ingame once in a while, goddamn you're such a blatant asskisser, you're starting to be like SugarD.
I guess you are the one who is too unskilled to find such roleplays, as I have no trouble finding and making them.
Lastly, I don't know what part of the world you live in, but here we have something called "timezones". My activity is not defined by how often people on the opposite side of the globe see me.
<insert myopic opinion about how roleplay is dead>
Case Debunked:
A RP does not have to last for 30 minutes to be good.
For the rest, the situation in game is far better as some people try to make us believe here.
To add, interesting how you completely disregard this:
There is no sense at all in those who moan about roleplay on this server being dead, and still play on this server. Only complete idiots would stick to an RP server where they see no RP anyway.
So why are you still here?
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Truth is, some people know how to state things perfectly, some go a little too far with sharing their thoughts and some just share their utterly degenerated statements.Roleplay is not dead [yet], however the wires of RP go through 1-2 fourth of all players, the rest is occupied by new people that are not being advised and/or being helped, just random people to deathmatch and eventually f**k around and administrators.And I sure as hell can affirm you that the last two groups are the reason that RP is actually decreasing. Yes, I'm heading off the subject a little, but you can hardly tell me this is false (unless JDC pops up and speaks another upholder of moral standards claiming that he is right, yuck).
Please explain how administrators are the reason that RP is decreasing.
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So why are you still here?
To be honest, because of good people, and good atmosphere.
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Please explain how administrators are the reason that RP is decreasing.
He probably mean the "other" types. If you plan to murder someone who happens to be an admin, there is a high chance that you will tempt him/her to use his admin powers thus creating a no-no scenario. I will give a situation from my experiences.
Player1 walks towards admin, having intentions to murder him.
Admin1 catches the scent and chooses his options, either ignore him in various ways or just play along.
Player1 uses his roleplay to make a reason to kill him.
Admin1 acts along.
Player1 starts to shoot Admin1.
Admin1 bans Player1 for Deathmatching.
This creates fear among some players.
I am pretty sure that this part is what he meant, even tho he didn't mention it clearly. Minor problem which thankfully, doesn't happen much. Tho i haven't be on for weeks, could be happening to others.
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He probably mean the "other" types. If you plan to murder someone who happens to be an admin, there is a high chance that you will tempt him/her to use his admin powers thus creating a no-no scenario. I will give a situation from my experiences.
Player1 walks towards admin, having intentions to murder him.
Admin1 catches the scent and chooses his options, either ignore him in various ways or just play along.
Player1 uses his roleplay to make a reason to kill him.
Admin1 acts along.
Player1 starts to shoot Admin1.
Admin1 bans Player1 for Deathmatching.
This creates fear among some players.
I am pretty sure that this part is what he meant, even tho he didn't mention it clearly. Minor problem which thankfully, doesn't happen much. Tho i haven't be on for weeks, could be happening to others.
Lol, dafaq?! :lol:
Administrators do not carry out punishments without a decent reason to do so. Of course we lose our mind sometimes as we are humans, just like you but we are not banning anyone if (s)he attempts to roleplay with us. We are here to teach and introduce, not to create a fear on the server that makes the players afraid to communicate with us.
We might seems harsh, rude and not interested in conversations / roleplay but trust me when I say this. We are here to help and the last thing we wish to do is to create a fear. We do multiple things at the same time, we can have several conversations at the same time which makes us to answer and then move on. We are here to help and keep the server peaceful.
Red name = Busy and not available for roleplay.
White name = Do what you wish to do but expect us to disappear if required.
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Player1 walks towards admin, having intentions to murder him.
Player1 uses his roleplay to make a reason to kill him.
.. Already the story of every deathmatcher :lol:
That is not what RP is about at all. Take your time to read all the previous posts of Gandalf and maybe you will understand.
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Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server. Because every time somebody would like to initialize a roleplay situation, the other party makes excuses such as IC and OOC do not exist in Argonath - This is just my opinion.
I also do believe in new players' and some veterans' potential of creating a wonderful RP situation.
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Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server.
In a world where people like Giac and JDC are ever right and IC/OOC is enforced on Argonath..
Well, fuck that world.
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I guess you are the one who is too unskilled to find such roleplays, as I have no trouble finding and making them.
I do have trouble. If necessary (you can ask some peeps around, they can confirm), I do start some, even at the most unorthodox timing.
Lastly, I don't know what part of the world you live in, but here we have something called "timezones".
Why can you not bring a post without acting like a stuck up dickhead?
So why are you still here?
Because like I said, you randomly state things that do not even relate to what I said. I did never claim, do not claim and still do not thing about saying that RP is dead, because I still do find some. That's why I continue. I don't feel like being hustled off this community by a clueless asshole who wouldn't give a damn dog's ass if this community had closed down but dares to hypocrize while his only potential intention is to point at the bad guys and make them leave. Yes, that's how much of a cunt you are.
I find it even more interesting that my post gets removed, not suspicious at all.
Please explain how administrators are the reason that RP is decreasing.
There are certain scenarios. Be it someone being punished for having a violent way of interacting or just formerly good roleplayers being honored to become moderators who start to feel like overly special people, which leads to my statement that
Red name = Busy and not available for roleplay.
White name = Do what you wish to do but expect us to disappear if required.
you cannot tell me that there is no way a moderator / admin is instantly unavailable when going red, there are certain times where they just do not want to interact. Your profession is not that difficult, the majority of the set is just exaggerating, that's all.
.. Already the story of every deathmatcher :lol:
That is not what RP is about at all. Take your time to read all the previous posts of Gandalf and maybe you will understand.
He was giving you an exhibit of what often happens. And what if there's more RP of intentionally murdering than harmless things ? Does it make you a deathmatcher as you state it to be?
For those who think I'm completely against all odds and/or goods of this community ; You're wrong. I am criticising a lot, maybe even too much, however I do not remain here just to shit around, I am here to chitchat and roleplay and not to hunt other people off like a certain other person(inbefore he appears and paraphrases his entire post).
Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server. Because every time somebody would like to initialize a roleplay situation, the other party makes excuses such as IC and OOC do not exist in Argonath - This is just my opinion.
I also do believe in new players' and some veterans' potential of creating a wonderful RP situation.
You cannot believe that both are right, these two are merely speaking against eachother. Those who try to separate in-roleplay chatting from out-of-roleplay chatting already use the brackets and/or other visible symbols, so why not keep it this way ?
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I understand. But some players, or should I say the majority, use the non-existance of IC/OOC in Argonath as an advantage for them. So they can amass a fortune in-game, either by bang bang, or shhh shhh (hostage situation), or sniff sniff (getting weed and selling it) and give 0 attention to the important thing, the reason they all came for, the roleplay! Not even animations..
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Administrators do not carry out punishments without a decent reason to do so. Of course we lose our mind sometimes as we are humans, just like you but we are not banning anyone if (s)he attempts to roleplay with us. We are here to teach and introduce, not to create a fear on the server that makes the players afraid to communicate with us.
We might seems harsh, rude and not interested in conversations / roleplay but trust me when I say this. We are here to help and the last thing we wish to do is to create a fear. We do multiple things at the same time, we can have several conversations at the same time which makes us to answer and then move on. We are here to help and keep the server peaceful.
Red name = Busy and not available for roleplay.
White name = Do what you wish to do but expect us to disappear if required.
Like i said before, it rarely happen now days, i spoke from my past experiences which was from 2009 to 2011. They were certain admins whom i won't name that would do quiet the damage to others.
Already the story of every deathmatcher
That is not what RP is about at all. Take your time to read all the previous posts of Gandalf and maybe you will understand.
I saw what he said and i agree about it since that what i believe in, even before he posted about it. As for the "story" about every deathmatcher, i tend to disagree as i seen people getting banned for someone stealing their drugs even with "heavy" roleplay involved. I wouldn't be calling those types of people deathmatchers.
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I remember, back in 2011, all I would do is shoot people all day as a cop. Why? Not because I was corrupt, moneyhungry cop, but instead because nobody taught me differently. Later that day, I was banned. Again, not because I was moneyhungry/corrupt, but because nobody taught me different, and instead of telling me what I did was wrong, administration just decided to /ban me without giving me an explanation.
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He probably mean the "other" types. If you plan to murder someone who happens to be an admin, there is a high chance that you will tempt him/her to use his admin powers thus creating a no-no scenario. I will give a situation from my experiences.
Player1 walks towards admin, having intentions to murder him.
Admin1 catches the scent and chooses his options, either ignore him in various ways or just play along.
Player1 uses his roleplay to make a reason to kill him.
Admin1 acts along.
Player1 starts to shoot Admin1.
Admin1 bans Player1 for Deathmatching.
This creates fear among some players.
I am pretty sure that this part is what he meant, even tho he didn't mention it clearly. Minor problem which thankfully, doesn't happen much. Tho i haven't be on for weeks, could be happening to others.
I find it kind of strange that where admins are reported for the smalles things, such behaviour never lands in [email protected].
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Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server. Because every time somebody would like to initialize a roleplay situation, the other party makes excuses such as IC and OOC do not exist in Argonath - This is just my opinion.
I also do believe in new players' and some veterans' potential of creating a wonderful RP situation.
IC/OOC is only for those who wish to flame the shit out of others without being caught.
For the rest it barely has any value at all.
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IC/OOC is only for those who wish to flame the shit out of others without being caught.
For the rest it barely has any value at all.
Everything has logs..
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Everything has logs..
Yep, but people will hide behind "my character speaks that way".
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Or you can make rules for specific terms and insulting..
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Or you can make rules for specific terms and insulting..
How about leave the current chatting system and don't flood the server with rules? Everything would be fine the way it is if others would TEACH new players. People complain about how we will never return to RP. here's your fix:
LEAD BY EXAMPLE
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i ate all the roleplays ok
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Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server.
How could you connect Giac and JDC being right/enforcing IC/OOC rules. Just how!?
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How about leave the current chatting system and don't flood the server with rules? Everything would be fine the way it is if others would TEACH new players. People complain about how we will never return to RP. here's your fix:
JDC Stole my signature?!?! :mad:
thatyou cannot tell me that there is no way a moderator / admin is instantly unavailable when going red, there are certain times where they just do not want to interact. Your profession is not that difficult, the majority of the set is just exaggerating, that's all.
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He was giving you an exhibit of what often happens. And what if there's more RP of intentionally murdering than harmless things ? Does it make you a deathmatcher as you state it to be?
Regarding admin stuff, you don't really have the experience to understand, but most of the time admins and mods can already juggling with PM's, a flood of admin chat etc ... before you even approach them. We do not only do admin work when turned red. And admins are dedicating their time to helping others, so yeah of course not everyone will have the patience or your time for your "interactions".
Regarding the DM stuff. Only DMer would have a reason after he went up with the intention to murder.
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You sit here complaining yet you all do nothing to change it IG.
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JDC Stole my signature?!?! :mad:
Yea honest mistake :S.
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Why can you not bring a post without acting like a stuck up dickhead?
A better question is why you cannot accept how your viewpoint is heavily distorted and sadly wrong, instead of seeing your opponent as a stuck up dickhead.
Because like I said, you randomly state things that do not even relate to what I said.
If you do not understand the concept of a rebuttal case, then you have much to learn.
I did never claim, do not claim and still do not think about saying that RP is dead, because I still do find some.
Do not think about saying that RP is dead? Somehow, I find that hard to believe.
Roleplay is not dead [yet], however the wires of RP go through 1-2 fourth of all players, the rest is occupied by new people that are not being advised and/or being helped, just random people to deathmatch and eventually f**k around and administrators.And I sure as hell can affirm you that the last two groups are the reason that RP is actually decreasing.
You still have not given a concrete answer. If you see the community as a place where RP only goes downward and where random deathmatchers and administrators continue to bring down roleplay to extremely low levels, why are you still here?
From all your complaints about this community, it seems that you would be better off somewhere else. Only idiots would waste their time and energy in a place where they see overwhelmingly more negatives than positives.
I don't feel like being hustled off this community by a clueless asshole who wouldn't give a damn dog's ass if this community had closed down
No one said you have to hustle yourself off this community, you can leave voluntarily if you want.
You cannot believe that both are right, these two are merely speaking against each other.
Funny how people think Giac and I are speaking against each other.
Anyone who has a proper capacity for reading would see that I am implicitly supporting his posts, since there is no need to rebut someone whose case you support, unless you have major logic problems.
The point of this topic is to hopefully encourage you guys to explore RP some more. This server isn't all about pew pew criminals pew pew cops, get money get power get wealth get respect, it's about roleplaying.
Make it happen.
Normally, I would feel rage whenever posting against this level of bigotry on part of the person I am rebutting. However, now, I cannot help but feel sorry for Emre, seeing how lost and deluded you have become in such a heavily distorted worldview.
But then again, people who shit on the community and admins have come and gone, so I see no more reason to feel any remorse for your loss. No one else threw your lot in with those people but yourself, the key hallmark being your identification of those who actually stand up for this community with assholes, dickheads, and cunts.
This (Emre), Argonath (especially new players), is one kind of player you should not take an example from. Argonath is, was, and always will be home to many wonderful opportunities for roleplay, or else we would not be standing six years strong. We in the administration will see to it that it remains as such.
A world of its own.
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Or you can make rules for specific terms and insulting..
We already have them.
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I don't know why this topic is still going. It's diverted about 180degrees from the point I was originally trying to make.
I did not state that nobody at all roleplayed. If I will say it in terms you can all understand, I was moaning about a few shit situations.
I do not believe that this entire server has lost its ability to roleplay - so, how about we all stop being dramatic and exaggerating my words.
Giac is right, JDC is right.. Sorry but I'm starting to think IC/OOC should be enforced in this server. Because every time somebody would like to initialize a roleplay situation, the other party makes excuses such as IC and OOC do not exist in Argonath - This is just my opinion.
I also do believe in new players' and some veterans' potential of creating a wonderful RP situation.
I literally cannot comprehend how you got from my post that I want IC/OOC. IC/OOC does not increase any RP in any situation in any case for any reason, so I will never support it, ever. No matter how bad the RP was to get, no matter anything.
How could you connect Giac and JDC being right/enforcing IC/OOC rules. Just how!?
:roll:
In any case, I would like to request topic be locked. It's gone way too far off topic and I think anything from this point on would just be repeating points stated earlier in the topic.
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A better question is why you cannot accept how your viewpoint is heavily distorted and sadly wrong, instead of seeing your opponent as a stuck up dickhead.
See, you're distracting
If you do not understand the concept of a rebuttal case, then you have much to learn.
No. It is that you assume that I said that RP is entirely dead while what I said was something certainly different.
Do not think about saying that RP is dead? Somehow, I find that hard to believe.
You never had the openness for things that seem unorthodox to you, right ?
You still have not given a concrete answer. If you see the community as a place where RP only goes downward and where random deathmatchers and administrators continue to bring down roleplay to extremely low levels, why are you still here?
From all your complaints about this community, it seems that you would be better off somewhere else. Only idiots would waste their time and energy in a place where they see overwhelmingly more negatives than positives.
To give you a concrete answer : I am here because things can be changed. If you're in something that -you feel like- has alot more negative points than positive, would you back out or would you eventually find a way to change it ? There is more than just roleplaying in the server. If there was only that, we would have no reason to have the mainchat aswell as /pm. We would act like people going ingame to roleplay as their usual duty, nothing more, nothing less. And if you still do not get that I am here because of some people as well as the chance to still create some roleplay, then don't bother re-asking, just read it again. Read it until you comprehend.
No one said you have to hustle yourself off this community, you can leave voluntarily if you want.
So why are you still here?
why are you still here?
it seems that you would be better off somewhere else.
After all this agitating, you tell me that if I leave, it would be voluntarily? You do not seem to want me in here, do you ? Be honest, you're one of those who prejudice about people and they lose in value in your eyes, am I right ?
Anyone who has a proper capacity for reading would see that I am implicitly supporting his posts, since there is no need to rebut someone whose case you support, unless you have major logic problems.
No need to condescend again, I misunderstood a part of his post which lead to this. God, you're such a hassling moron when somebody makes a mistake.
Normally, I would feel rage whenever posting against this level of bigotry on part of the person I am rebutting. However, now, I cannot help but feel sorry for Emre, seeing how lost and deluded you have become in such a heavily distorted worldview.
Go ahead, rage. You don't even feel sorry after all the things you're shying at me, you just feel superior.
But then again, people who shit on the community and admins have come and gone, so I see no more reason to feel any remorse for your loss. No one else threw your lot in with those people but yourself, the key hallmark being your identification of those who actually stand up for this community with assholes, dickheads, and cunts.
Yet again you cannot differ shitting from (heavy) criticising probably aswell as moaning from decently complaining. Yes, I might act like a dickhead, an asshole or a cunt, but I'm still here and it apparently gives you a massive pain in the butt, so that will be one more reason to stay. Infact, for the time being, I just want you not to feel anything related to me. Carry on with your philosophical ranting on the bad guys and see what kind of progress it brings.
This (Emre), Argonath (especially new players), is one kind of player you should not take an example from. Argonath is, was, and always will be home to many wonderful opportunities for roleplay, or else we would not be standing six years strong. We in the administration will see to it that it remains as such.
A world of its own.
I feel not surprised about the fact that you point something out that was clearly obvious. I never intended to be a role model, an example or a moron like you who -by the way- is being laughed at by atleast a fifth part of this community. Sure, I'm disliked alot more, but disliking and satirising is something different again. Anyways, back to the s... "or else we would not be standing six years strong"?! The community is standing strong because of the increasing amount of forum users and its activity, not because of the (as for example) anticipation of RS5 or the roleplay ingame.
I would like you to PM me as soon as you read this, I feel your ranting is rather directed to me than directed to anybody in general as a lesson.
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Low amount of people had came to Argonath for having a RP experience. Most of them came for the community. Although, when you'd try the RP, the amount of the people that would've continously RP with you, is unfortunately low. We've got the find a clear way which will be certainly encourging the considaration and knowledge of our people in the RP experiences. As you said in the first sentence, you CAN'T do it alone. 1 man against this amount of people would've be impossible. We need a group of people, that will decide that they will try to RP such as Heavy RP, that would represent the RP beside their own life.
My opinion. People which do not accept it, you're free to follow your own opinions.
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In any case, I would like to request topic be locked. It's gone way too far off topic and I think anything from this point on would just be repeating points stated earlier in the topic.
Topic locked as per author's request.